Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 1 Aug 2013 at 08:15:43 (UTC)
Reason
Good-quality poster of a notable opera. Would have preferred a colour version - coloured images thumbnail a bit better - but, despite that, in my opinion this is the best of the LoC posters for the opera.
Support as nominator --
Nikhil(
talk) 05:56, 24 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose as a performer on stage definitely needs to be in her element (i.e. cut out background is odd). —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 06:02, 24 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose needs a background.
Kaldari (
talk) 06:09, 24 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment I wish the caption would clarify what you're supposed to do with this. Do you attach this to the camera lens somehow?--
mcshadyplTC 04:54, 27 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Weak support - Great encyclopedic value and executed fairly well, but I think knowing the degree of light reduction (3 stops or thereabouts?) would add significant value.
Juliancolton (
talk) 16:30, 27 July 2013 (UTC)reply
I'll try to contact the creator and hear him out. If I get any information, I'll add it here as well as on the file page. --
Kimsey0 (
talk) 00:07, 4 August 2013 (UTC)reply
It's a ND4 (2 stops light reduction) according to the creator of the picture. I have updated the description page accordingly. --
Kimsey0 (
talk) 16:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I wonder i you would crop out most of the fingers and have the lens be about half of the entire image would look better.
Nergaal (
talk) 18:38, 27 July 2013 (UTC)reply
I think it's better to do it this way, as this makes it clear it's not how the lens is normally used, while showing its effect. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 17:20, 28 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support, high EV. --
King of♥♦♣ ♠ 01:13, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support per the reasons given by nominator. --
Paul_012 (
talk) 17:39, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 05:04, 4 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Promoted File:Neutral density filter demonstration.jpg --
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 21:48, 4 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --
ELEKHHT 08:04, 21 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment: Is there a reason this one is not used in the infobox? What does the other offer that this doesn't?
J Milburn (
talk) 16:26, 21 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Not really, so I moved it to the infobox. --
ELEKHHT 00:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Question does it always have that ugly plant growing out of its back? --
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 19:56, 24 July 2013 (UTC)reply
I'm pretty sure they're the
cerata. They're functionally similar to gills, although with several additional uses. (also, Support bothRoom for two.Adam Cuerden(
talk) 22:25, 3 August 2013 (UTC)) Adam Cuerden(
talk) 20:33, 24 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Well then, odd body part clarified, Support. Thanks Adam. --
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 21:52, 24 July 2013 (UTC)reply
I also support the Alt. Either one is good for me, though I do feel the Alt has a bit more EV in regards to the animal itself and the original more EV in regards to the environment. --
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 22:42, 3 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment. Fantastic picture of a fantastic creature.
86.160.215.247 (
talk) 02:35, 27 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Original Will be hard to find a better picture of this creature.
Mattximus (
talk) 03:37, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose original, support alt I think
File:Nembrotha_cristata_2.jpg has less ambiguity about the growths on the creature's back. It also shows the mouth and that the neck may curve up from the abdomen. --Pine✉ 05:52, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
I understand why you like the alt, but I don't think that is a reason to oppose the original which shows the nudibranch from a different angle and with a better depiction of its natural habitat (and therefore has considerable EV also in the Bunaken article). Probably the alt could replace the current side-view image in the article. --
ELEKHHT 07:29, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Conditional support original Criteria 7: "descriptive, informative and complete file description in English", please expand description further. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 06:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Conditions met, thanks for notifying me Armbrust. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 22:56, 4 August 2013 (UTC)reply
For what it's worth, I support the ALT... if we can count that. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 06:43, 3 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I'm late to the party on this one, but I would support the Alt as well.
Rreagan007 (
talk) 21:03, 3 August 2013 (UTC)reply
The alternative didn't have enough support at the end of the voting period.
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 07:55, 5 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I see Adam and Wingtip saying they support both, Pine opposing the original and supporting the alt, and two late !votes which show a preference for the ALT. Elekhh did not mention the alt at all, while the other two only supported the original. Excluding the late !votes, that's Original 5-1, ALT 4-0. Just in case the numbers are unclear. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 08:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Just noting that the Alt was only included in the broader article about the genus but not the article about the species, that's why I abstained at this time. I added it now to the species article where I think it fits very well together with the currently promoted image. If it stays stable it might be worth re-nominating as a second FP. --
ELEKHHT 06:44, 7 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 5 Aug 2013 at 07:05:20 (UTC)
Reason
The image was nominated before
here, but it was not cropped properly. In this nomination, we have a cropped version of the image which has good quality and high EV
Neutral for now. How can a picture of a hill not show the whole hill? I must be missing something that everyone else is seeing, hence why I don't oppose just yet; I'll wait for more votes. --
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 18:45, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
The whole hill could only be shown from above, in which case you wouldn't see its height. By subjects of this scale, it is often necessary to have multiple images to get the 'complete picture'. In this case, the hill is notable because it is part of Quito. The image depicts the hill's appearance from the historic centre of the city, as people living in the city see it every day. Its aesthetic appeal is in the contrast between the regular street grid and the natural shape of the hill. --
ELEKHHT 06:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose Not a bad picture, a quality picture, I'm of the same mind as Wingtipvortex: whole hill would be superior. Background objects are "backgroundy" (distant, blue, not crystal). – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 23:01, 4 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment/question This is a nice photo, but I'm unsure about what it actually depicts - is there a special significance to the canal and people boating on it? I note that they're wearing traditional dress, but this doesn't really stand out given the composition.
Nick-D (
talk) 01:13, 28 July 2013 (UTC)reply
To the above I add that the image is also somewhat soft.--
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 18:48, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose per above. A better caption might help the EV. This might be a good Commons FP candidate. --Pine✉ 05:39, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Note the photographer has commented on this FPC nomination's talk page. I have asked the nominator to copy the comment to here and I have asked for additional information on the nominator's talk page at
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk%3AIgdrasa&diff=566672937&oldid=566095503. I am very willing to change my vote depending on what additional information we get about what the photo shows. --Pine✉ 05:08, 1 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose Bog-standard vacation snapshot showing a 'Tourist village'.
Plutonium27 (
talk) 15:14, 4 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose Soft, and image description page tells me nothing. Criterion 7 not met. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 23:03, 4 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --
Nikhil(
talk) 16:01, 26 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment My only criticism of this picture is that it gives no impression of speed.
86.160.215.247 (
talk) 02:25, 27 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Exposure time is very less. May be that is the reason we don't have any motion blur.--
Nikhil(
talk) 04:26, 27 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment, leaning oppose There's a fair bit of empty space in this image, which detracts from its impact (for instance, the ditch and scrub in the foreground and all the railway lines behind the train). This is a high quality image with EV, but I don't think that it has the kind of visual impact which other FPs of trains have. For instance, the FPs
File:SBB Re 460 Schottikon alternate crop.jpg,
File:IORE beim Torneträsk.jpg and
File:NSB Di 4 Saltfjell.jpg have a similar perspective on the train, but are more visually interesting.
Nick-D (
talk) 11:52, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
I think that the Alt is an improvement, but unfortunately it still lacks strong visual impact. I've played around with a few different crops as well, and couldn't get any of them to produce a better result. I think that the angle at which the photo was taken relative to the tracks and train is the underlying issue here.
Nick-D (
talk) 10:25, 31 July 2013 (UTC)reply
I agree with you. Will try to keep it in mind in future nominations. Thank you.--
Nikhil(
talk) 11:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose Original The image is good quality and has decent EV, but I think it is not the best WP has to offer, as there is no visual impact. Oppose Alt, composition is not good. --
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 18:52, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose both. Original not bad, but not great either. Alt crop makes composition poor, per Wingtipvortex. Too much empty space in original. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 23:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 5 Aug 2013 at 20:16:01 (UTC)
Reason
In my humble opinion, one of the most dramatic photographs of the
Armenian Genocide. An Armenian woman is trying to help her/a child as she lays dead in the middle of the Syrian desert. What is most interesting is that the child is dead within sight of help and safety of other people seen in the background. I presume that they are purposely neglecting the child so that she can die or that death was just so common that it was a normal sight. Over all, great EV and good quality for such an old photograph.
Comment So to summarize your description: you have absolutely no idea what is going on in this photo. How do you know that this child is dead? --
mcshadyplTC 04:48, 27 July 2013 (UTC)reply
The death of the child and other details are provided by the United States government. Please see the link in the caption of the photo.
Proudbolsahye (
talk) 05:46, 27 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment the scan appears to be rather poor, and some restoration work would be welcome. That said, the image has a lot of EV and would likely get my support if in good condition. --
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 18:54, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support I could say the EV is great. The scan and photograph is pretty good quality considering the fact that it was shot in 1915.
Chauahuasachca (
talk) 08:14, 31 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose I'm getting an image size of 1500, which is fine, but this seems to have been increased in size, only making a soft image slightly softer. First source link doesn't link to anything. (LC # link works fine.) Date is 1915 on image description page, but where did this date come from? LOC states unknown date. I'm on the fence about the image. Needs work done to it for sure though. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 23:12, 4 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --
Tomer T (
talk) 14:42, 27 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Looks great. Very well-known poster. --
mcshadyplTC 19:12, 28 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Alt 1 uploaded. There were some long fold marks that needed fixed. Support alt 1. Note the image may be a tiny bit overexposed, but I don't think it's particularly bad in this case. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 21:42, 28 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support ALT1: Having uploaded a few featured posters myself, I'm aware of how hard it is to get good, free, non-JPG-artefacted posters. Though this is a bit more simple than most of our current featured stuff, it's still iconic and quite pleasing. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 23:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support. Film posters make great FPs, and the fact this is such a significant film gives really adds to it.
J Milburn (
talk) 23:36, 28 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Alt 1 However, I could have sworn this poster was red and not orange...is this certainly the original colour?
Mattximus (
talk) 03:27, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
First of all, let me apologise for the horrible formatting here. I couldn't get the alignments right without doing it this way.
Anyway, red does tend to fade to vermillion, but the current colour is also one that was in use. Now, given people's tendency to correct colours without access to originals, I'm not surprised it varies a bit online, but I did notice some hints of yellow ink while doing the restoration (see sample, left), so I'm pretty sure the red was meant to be on the vermillion side, and shouldn't be corrected too far towards "true" red. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 19:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Alt 1 Google Image search offers a range of colors, from orange to red. ~
trialsanderrors (
talk) 11:36, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Alt 1 very good EV, and great quality! --
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 18:55, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Alt 1 Just watched this movie for second time, awesome to see it here. Adam, why is "Restored by Adam Cuerden." in the image description when it already appears in author section? – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 23:20, 4 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I wanted to be clear it was a restoration, and distinguish the description from the old image's. You'll note it's followed by a brief description of the restoration. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 23:51, 4 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --
Tomer T (
talk) 15:41, 27 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose The image is overall very over-exposed, particularly in the bottom left corner due to the headlights. This image would be better served with a lower shutter speed, I think. --
mcshadyplTC 19:11, 28 July 2013 (UTC)reply
I wonder whether the very low shutter speed doesn't just allow us to focus more on the subject, rather than the inevitable handful of blurred cars? I'd be interested to hear what some of our regular photographers think of this shot. I love it, but I'm going to hold off support until I've heard some more views.
J Milburn (
talk) 23:33, 28 July 2013 (UTC)reply
I agree with you, I prefer the long exposure in this case. Some people consider any and all blurring to be a bad thing, but I think visible cars in the foreground would be a big distraction. With a shorter shutter speed, even if you did 'freeze' the cars, you'd still have their headlights/tail lights shining prominently (and you'd probably have the added downside of higher noise due to high ISO and/or the foreground out of focus due to small depth of field with a wider aperture). At least a long exposure gives the feeling of flow around the monument. But I do agree, it's slightly too bright for my tastes. It seems basically 'correctly exposed' in terms of the luminosity curve, but sometimes scenes need to be brighter or darker to give the right ambiance, and I think this is an example of that. Just my opinion though. :)
Ðiliff«»(Talk) 13:07, 29 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support I am not a professional photographer, but I can say that as a layperson with an eye for artistic detail and a sense of composition, this picture looks very good to me! If it meets all other technical criteria (properly licensed, image size, etc.) I see no reason aesthetically why it should not become a featured picture. The overexposure in the bottom left (if "over" is the right word) does not detract from its quality at all, for me. I think it's a great shot.
KDS4444Talk 12:35, 29 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Very good quality and very good EV. Blown highlights in the lights are to be expected of long, single-exposure night photography. The head/tail light trails make the image very dynamic. --
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 19:03, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Long exposure is not only an artistic means to focus on static objects in a dynamic environment, it also allows poor-light images at low ISO levels/graininess. Here it is a perfectly apt choice and very well executed. ~
trialsanderrors (
talk) 13:54, 1 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support. Nicely done.
Ðiliff«»(Talk) 15:25, 1 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Commment Do you think it would look better if we cropped to just above the word "Reference"? It's a little too much of a focus, in my opinion. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 22:22, 28 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose for now. Seems like very low EV for this photograph. Is there some reason this library is important to Santa Clara? What makes it more than just a photograph of a random building in the city?
Mattximus (
talk) 03:20, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose I think there is little EV to this photograph, not because it does not show the library well, but because there is not a whole lot of discussion regarding the library in the article. That said, the image is of good technical quality. --
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 19:06, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose as above. Unless this library is somehow significant, I don't really see why a photo of its interior has much EV.
J Milburn (
talk) 10:23, 31 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 8 Aug 2013 at 11:58:02 (UTC)
Reason
Image is of excellent quality and technical standard, conveys its subject matter concisely and completely, contains no artifacts, and still has "wow" factor.
Support as nominator --
KDS4444Talk 11:58, 29 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support I haven't error-checked it against other illustrations, but it looks pretty accurate off-hand. It's also beautiful work, with nice use of partial transparencies and gradients, suitable for textbook use. A great illustration of a very important
model organismAdam Cuerden(
talk) 01:14, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Thank you, Adam! And please feel free to fact-check — my current employer is a microbiologist who specializes in this organism, and I had him vet the image before I put it up here for consideration. He said it looked very good. But the best independent verifiable resource for checking is probably the
Wormatlas page on hermaphrodites.
KDS4444Talk 04:11, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support quality and encyclopedic value both are fine to me.
Godhulii 1985 (
talk) 10:12, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support per Adam. Now go get this in a biology textbook! --
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 19:08, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Part of the wow factor is that this shows how many offspring this self-fertilizing hermaphrodite species can produce as the eggs pass by the spermathecae and get fertilized. The drawing is pretty and unusual enough that it piques curiosity, and clear enough that it provides some answers.
AndrewPapp (
talk) 07:43, 31 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support. Happy to accept this as accurate if it's been looked over by an expert.
J Milburn (
talk) 17:37, 31 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Very useful diagram, one minor comment, the arrow for the gut lumen sort of has two possible features it could point to, could you shift it slightly to the left to remove any possibility of confusion?
Terri G (
talk) 10:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Done and done. Better?
KDS4444Talk 10:41, 2 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Superb diagram of a fascinating anatomy and physiology. IMHO this is exactly the sort of thing that FP should be about, not the endless stream of dime-a-dozen portraits and dull snapshots it seems to have become.
Plutonium27 (
talk) 15:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Is there an extra space after the ampersand and "anus" in "rectum & anus"? – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 07:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Why, yes there was. I have removed it. Please let me know if you spot any other such typos or errors-- I want this to be as perfect as possible. Thank you!
KDS4444Talk 12:20, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 9 Aug 2013 at 01:00:42 (UTC)
Reason
The
previous nomination got up to 4 supports, but, well, we're in a bit of a slump just now with everyone on holiday, so a lot of things are underreviewed. I'm pretty sure this would have passed already in any more normal month. Hat tip to
User:Brandmeister - I did the restoration, but he found and nominated the image the first time.
Promoted File:Portrait of ASTP crews - restoration.jpg -- —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 04:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Lime butterfly photo set, dorsal and side views
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 9 Aug 2013 at 06:28:31 (UTC)
Reason
Good quality photo pair. I just replaced a lower quality dorsal picture in the article with the one in this set. The lead image in this article
File:Lime_Butterfly_Papilio_demoleus.jpg is already featured but it provides an off-center view and I think these photos add significant value to the article.
Comment I like the lead image, I don't see anything wrong with it. These two are very pretty as well. Can all three be a set? – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 07:55, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
The lead by
Muhammad is a very good image (a bit too warm?); but two side views in a set is a bit inappropriate IMHO. I’ve no problem if you are suggesting a replace.
JKadavoorJee 13:38, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Promoted File:Common Lime Butterfly Papilio demoleus UP by Kadavoor.jpg --
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 06:28, 9 August 2013 (UTC)reply Promoted File:Common Lime Butterfly Papilio demoleus by Kadavoor.JPG --
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 06:28, 9 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support excellent EV. Wow, last nom... what a train-wreck. --
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 20:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Support It's good to see this back, without the train wreck. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 21:14, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Ooh, too early in the morning for me to be hearing clackety puns. Not to rail on anyone, of course. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 23:31, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Supportoriginal (or any other restoration). I'm not so sure about the current restoration though. It seems to leave visible 60px clone marks to remove tiny specks of dirt where a very soft 12pt spot healing brush would have been quite sufficient. Also, I'm not even sure if those spots weren't in the 1950s reprint for an added vintage feel. ~
trialsanderrors (
talk) 14:06, 1 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I think I still have this file here. Where do you see the most blatant? —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 14:14, 1 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Multiple spots. From the looks of it, it seems the clone stamp was used throughout to blot out the spots. ~
trialsanderrors (
talk) 10:44, 5 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I already went over my copy and I'm not seeing it. Do any of the other !voters see anything? —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 11:12, 5 August 2013 (UTC)reply
There's some water damage in a couple areas. I think he's seeing that. The restoration could've stood being a bit more extensive. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 16:12, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Uh, no. There are a number of locations where spots have been removed wholesale by using a large clone stamp, which leads to impurities being introduced to the copy that just weren't there in the original. For instance, to the right of the "1861" in the title is now a dark spot cloned there from somewhere else that now looks like a fingerprint. As I said, a small spot healing brush is a much better method to remove those tiny specks than a large clone stamp. ~
trialsanderrors (
talk) 12:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support nice capture of a rare moment.--
Nikhil(
talk) 12:01, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose as-is. The caption is speculative and unencyclopaedic. No comment on the image's quality or appropriateness of black-and-white photography. --
Paul_012 (
talk) 17:36, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose Quality is good, EV is great. Very "wow" image. I do not agree with the image being in B&W, it seems to me as a cheap way to add more emotion. If this image is impossible to retake, I'd overlook the B&W. Agree with Paul that the caption is not WP-material. --
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 20:07, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Note The caption is changed. --
Anton017 (
talk) 01:55, 31 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose Don't see why a modern day nature picture has to be in B&W. What does it add in terms of EV? --
Muhammad(talk) 14:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Muhammad. I especially want to see an animal like this in color. If it's a human subject, this would be less important. --
mcshadyplTC 18:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose. It's a very powerful picture (and would not look out of place on an animal rights/liberation pamphlet, or the cover of a work looking at non-human emotion) but I have to agree that the EV is somewhat lacking.
J Milburn (
talk) 10:24, 1 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator ----
Felix König✉ 11:25, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Weak Support Great EV, good quality. Despite showing the uniqueness of the structure quite well, the image does not wow me. --
WingtipvorteXPTT∅ 20:09, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose The focus of the photo is too blurry and should be in the center. --
mcshadyplTC 18:42, 31 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose. per Mcshadypl--
Nikhil(
talk) 01:39, 1 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 9 Aug 2013 at 23:57:28 (UTC)
Reason
High resolution and technical quality, Austria-Hungary is underrepresented in our WWI collection.
First nomination fell short —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 23:57, 30 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment Paper's a bit pink-tinted. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 01:57, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support - although if you could have a look at that tint. Grandiose(
me,
talk,
contribs) 10:28, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Thanks. Got that (sorry, been busy). —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 10:41, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support, though you could stand to clean some of the darker bits on the border up a bit more. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 16:26, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose There are numerous war bond posters to choose from and this one doesn't seem to be particularly appealing or interesting.
Brandmeistertalk 22:30, 9 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I know that's how the shot was taken, but don't you think that's a bit too much white space? —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 23:24, 1 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Far easier to crop than to expand. We could crop a bit if we wanted, but this is the "default", as it were. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 13:55, 2 August 2013 (UTC)reply
True, I just recall that you are (in general) opposed to such changes in restoration. I'd probably support a cropped version, but right now that's a lot of wasted space for a FP. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 01:11, 3 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I dont know about the ethics of cropping historical images. From an aesthetic POV, the original looks good, from an EV POV, a crop would suit better --
Muhammad(talk) 10:01, 3 August 2013 (UTC)reply
In this case, where two images are shoved onto a plate anyway, and were obviously intended to be cropped somewhat, I don't object so much, so long as the approximate original is maintained. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 10:26, 3 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Alright, I'd likely support a crop. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 11:55, 3 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately, I can't edit this for a few days. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 12:10, 3 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --
Tomer T (
talk) 18:00, 1 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Weak support - Decent quality, but the poles are awkwardly placed in the frame, damaging the composition. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 06:37, 11 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --
Nikhil(
talk) 02:15, 2 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment. This is in desperate need of an explanation to be useful. Was the photo taken in the daylight but with a very short exposure, or was it taken at night? Is the phenomenon visible only at long exposures but not with the naked eye? Was it taken with a some kind of filter, or are the colours and luminosity 'au naturel'? I suspect I know the answers to the questions (they're somewhat rhetorical), but it's a photo that needs explaining in the caption, otherwise we're not really sure what we're looking at.
Ðiliff«»(Talk) 08:43, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
IMHO, the picture was taken during the night to have more visual impact than the picture taken during a day as the discharge around the conductor has such brilliance that can be quite spectacular during the night. And the phenomenon is visible with the naked eye and I don't think any filter is required to capture this phenomenon.--
Nikhil(
talk) 05:41, 7 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --
Tomer T (
talk) 08:46, 2 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose Frame appears to be in focus but not the painting itself. These images are difficult to capture, but not impossible. lightening could be better.--MarkJust ask!WERTEADR/N 20:38, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --
Tomer T (
talk) 08:55, 2 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment The bird looks spectacular, but the out of focus branch in the foreground spoils the photo somewhat (at least for FP status, IMO)
Nick-D (
talk) 10:37, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Good composition and lighting.
Brandmeistertalk 19:03, 9 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --
Anton017 (
talk) 09:23, 2 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose -- Although the composition is good, hardly 2-3 seeds are in focus due to the shallow DOF.
Sanyambahga (
talk) 12:04, 2 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose. I'm not convinced that this actually does such a great job of illustrating the subject.
J Milburn (
talk) 23:51, 5 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I tend to agree ... To me, this looks a bit like a picture from a "Can guess what this is?" puzzle featuring familiar objects taken from strange angles.
86.130.66.152 (
talk) 20:50, 7 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support -- This image would not make a good pomegranate photo, but would make a good detail photo of pomegranate arils.
Tylerscribble (
talk) 14:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)reply
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Reason
Another map to SVG conversion. Good source, straightforward EV, has a certain aesthetic quality as well. SVG format, so no size issues. I couldn't help this really being one of those maps where you can see only the general characteristics in thumbnail - the front lines are as bold as I thought possible without dominating the zoomed in version. Previous nomination (
here) received two supports (plus me) and no opposes. Some changes were considered but I didn't feel anything needed to be changed.
Support - Good work. To nitpick, the word "RESERVE" overlaps the box for RESERVE GOUGH, but I know how awkward SVG can be for this. (
Hohum@) 16:17, 5 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose It's a bit overexposed. The resolution is also under what I would expect. Note that the
featured picture criteria requires 1500px minimum on both height and width. Our
panoramas are usually significantly larger than this.
Jujutacular (
talk) 19:23, 7 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose Too small as a panorama, it seems more like a cropped 10MP+ image. And i noticed a darker portion in the left-center, maybe due to stitching.
Rishabh Tatiraju (
talk) 05:00, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --
Tomer T (
talk) 09:20, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment. An interesting composition and well taken, but I'm not sure it's particularly useful as an image. Having said that, I guess it shows that a painter and decorator does not necessarily use modern methods and equipment in many parts of the world, and for that reason helps with countering systematic bias towards western/modern content.
Ðiliff«»(Talk) 11:26, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the comment, but why do you think it's not very useful? Where does it lack in illustration?
Tomer T (
talk) 13:54, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Because I find that unusual compositions, while interesting, are not as simple to understand or learn from. Ultra wide angles for architectural photography are often unavoidable due to logistical and geographic constraints, but I don't think that's the case for a photography of a painter and decorator where (almost) any composition is conceivable. Anyway, I haven't opposed it. I like it as a photo, I just don't know if the wide angle works to help in aiding understanding of what he's doing.
Ðiliff«»(Talk) 14:59, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment. I like this picture as a picture, but I would query the claim of "high EV" (I understand "EV" to mean "encyclopedic value"). IMO the encyclopedic value of this is almost zero. However, as I say, it is a nice picture to look at.
86.128.6.77 (
talk) 02:39, 7 August 2013 (UTC)reply
When we have an encyclopedia article titled
House painter and decorator and this is the lead image, I think the EV criterion is satisfied.
Rreagan007 (
talk) 05:14, 7 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I don't think that's the case necessarily. There are plenty of poorly written and edited articles with poor lead images. Just because Wikipedia articles exist in a particular state, it doesn't follow that they are (or their lead image is) of high EV. We need to use our own judgement here rather than making presumptions about EV.
Ðiliff«»(Talk) 08:24, 7 August 2013 (UTC)reply
According to the
WP:Featured picture criteria: "An image has more encyclopedic value (often abbreviated to "EV" or "enc" in discussions) if it contributes strongly to a single article, rather than contributing weakly to many." I'd say that it is pretty obvious that this image contributes strongly to the article that it is illustrating.
Rreagan007 (
talk) 03:13, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
IMO it contributes in a decorative way (which is no bad thing since almost any picture makes an article much more inviting), but not significantly in an information-imparting way (which was what I thought "EV" meant) since it shows nothing noteworthy about technique, equipment, etc., and, in fact, it is not even clear what he is doing. It is not clear that the brush is charged with paint, or whether paint is being applied to the wall, or whether he is brushing away dust, or what.
86.160.222.107 (
talk) 21:43, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment. Painters generally have a bucket of paint or whitewash along with the brush or roller, and it is kept within reach. That paint bucket is a prominent equipment which is not visible in this picture hence its EV for painter profession is diminished.
Ahirwav (
talk) 05:30, 7 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose This image well and truly deserves its FP status on Commons, but the cluttered composition significantly diminishes its EV for Wikipedia purposes I'm afraid.
Nick-D (
talk) 08:56, 7 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support I see no EV problem here. As I've stated above, the image contributes strongly to the article it is illustrating, and, according to the featured picture criteria, that means it has high EV.
Rreagan007 (
talk) 03:16, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support I can see arguments for this image working both ways. Here's the thing for me... this is an engaging photograph of a boring (but important) task. This photo should draw a good number of people to the article. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 04:16, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose Although the composition is good, the image does not depict a typical house painting situation. There is neither a visible paint bucket nor a conventional ladder used by painters.
Sanyambahga (
talk) 06:45, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Sanyambahga. In addition, the angle of viewing the painter is quite awkward. SpencerT♦C 04:13, 11 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Well placed and executed image. Can't speak for its placement in the article, maybe that works for it maybe it doesn't, I can't tell. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 04:13, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Perfect! No visible stitch marks and already a FP in commons.
Rishabh Tatiraju (
talk) 04:55, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support very good. --Pine✉ 05:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --
Nikhil(
talk) 08:26, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment What's his connection to the opera house except of being Australian?
Tomer T (
talk) 16:16, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose EV can't make up for awful composition, distracting background, strange warm lighting (sunset maybe though). – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 04:11, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment That's the western side of the Sydney Opera House, so this photo was taken at sunset.
Nick-D (
talk) 23:24, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Yeah, awful composition. 23:54, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Oppose, although it has a good EV, the Opera House distracts the eyes of the viewer.
Rishabh Tatiraju (
talk) 06:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose Useful image, but not of FP standard: the composition is dull, and placing the Sydney Opera House in the background makes little sense.
Nick-D (
talk) 09:18, 11 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --
Tomer T (
talk) 20:55, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
ConditionalSupport if both comments are addressed. Great picture, but there needs to be some clarification on the name. Is the frog Pelophylax kl. esculentus as in the article or Rana esculenta as in the caption? Is there an officially accepted name for this frog? I also believe the plant that the frog is sitting on should be linked if it is to be mentioned,
Nymphaea should do if I'm correct.
Mattximus (
talk) 21:37, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I made the link. Regarding the other question, the infobox in the article says that these names are synonyms.
Tomer T (
talk) 09:41, 9 August 2013 (UTC)reply
In this case I would stick with Edible Frog (Pelophylax kl. esculentus) as the name of the frog in the caption. I believe the synonym used here Rana esculenta is outdated.
Mattximus (
talk) 15:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Question, leaning support: what are those blurred spots behind the frog? —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 01:49, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I presume you mean the brighter ones? Pretty sure they're just light reflecting off water drops. You can see some of that in the focused area. Could be a bit of light-coloured dirt, though. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 10:18, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Ah, I see. Support the yummy frog. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 10:26, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Promoted File:Rana esculenta on Nymphaea edit.JPG --
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 09:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)reply
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Reason
High enough resolution, good quality, well focused, notable individual. Image was taken when she was 13, meaning this image will retain EV for showing her at the age she became notable.
Support Fabulous image.
Hawkeye7 (
talk) 02:25, 11 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment Could use a personality rights warning. As she is a minor, I would have preferred to know if consent was also provided in addition to the permission for use.
Saffron Blaze (
talk) 22:03, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Have added personality rights. Are you talking about consent for general publication, or consent for publication through Wikimedia? —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 23:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Promoted File:140611 - Maddison Elliott - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg --
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 09:43, 19 August 2013 (UTC)reply
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Reason
This image is the first upload of the Hyles lineata to display the insect's distinctive appearance in such detail. Unique EV of all Hyles lineata images. There are supplementary angles shared on the Hyles lineata article. Let me know if I should add one to the FP, one is side view. Wikipedia is the first upload destination for this image.
Oppose. Sorry- as it's only used in a gallery, it's not really eligible for FP status. I'm also not so keen on the unnatural background, and the image quality is lacking; the bar for insect photography
has been set high.
J Milburn (
talk) 23:22, 12 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose Distortion from stitching. The crossing in reality is level, but seems arched in this image.
Sanyambahga (
talk) 04:58, 11 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose Yes, the image is beautiful, but the arching of the bridge due to stitching seems misleading.
Rishabh Tatiraju (
talk) 05:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose Image quality is just superb, but I'll have to agree with Sanyambahga. The other image of the same bridge in the
article doesn't distort the bridge.
Nikhil(
talk) 02:14, 12 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose Nice picture, but quite distorted.
Mattximus (
talk) 22:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment If the original pictures are available, this may be salvageable. It looks decent enough up to the left side roadway. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 16:42, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support would be better if the article had more detail but I think this is good enough. Good image sharpness. --Pine✉ 05:17, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment Um, hasn't something gone wrong with the "fogginess" at the right of the picture? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
86.146.108.14 (
talk) 11:35, 16 August 2013
It's just one part's sunlit, the lower bit isn't. SupportAdam Cuerden(
talk) 18:43, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 21 Aug 2013 at 10:47:25 (UTC)
Reason
I think this picture taken from Victoria's View shows the best possible perspective for this motive. It was already elected FP in German Wikipedia as well as QI and VI on Commons.
Support as nominator ----
Felix König✉ 10:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose. I don't think theres nearly enough 'wow' in this photo. It's a fairly tight crop and doesn't show enough of the surroundings. I much prefer
this photo taken from the same article. It's a better candidate for FP.
Ðiliff«»(Talk) 13:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment: Both pictures have already been FPC in German Wikipedia. The result was 8:3 for my nomination against 3:8 for your suggestion of a "better candidate". --
Felix König✉ 18:02, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Well, thanks for advising. I disagree with the conclusions that they reached though, I still think the other picture is better.
Ðiliff«»(Talk) 19:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
In terms of actually depicting the subject, there is no question that the other picture is better.
86.169.185.13 (
talk)
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 22 Aug 2013 at 17:41:33 (UTC)
Reason
High resolution (brushstrokes, excluding sfumato techniques, are visible), and visually intriguing (composition, period clothing, foreground/background, etc) painting by Gilbert Stuart (
self portrait FP), painted in 1782. This painting is important and notable because it was not only his first successfully completed full-length portrait, it brought recognition to Mr. Stuart and allowed him to open up his own studio. (According to our article, this painting was completed at Benjamin West's studio.)
Support as nominator --– Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 17:41, 12 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support. Proportions seem right, I'm happy to trust the source as regards colour. It could probably be a little bigger (the original is nearly two and a half metres tall), but I'm happy that it's big enough. As far as I can see, it's a great candidate.
J Milburn (
talk) 23:12, 12 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support - Looks solid, agree about resolution, love having notable paintings at FpC. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 07:48, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Pretty much per Crisco. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 16:47, 14 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Also agree with resolution being a little on the low side, but exceeds standard set.
Mattximus (
talk) 14:38, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support. Although some parts of it look motion blurred (or perhaps aberration from the edge of the frames). However, the high resolution makes this a relatively academic point. I would have liked to see more of the foreground as it's slightly unbalanced IMO.
Ðiliff«»(Talk) 10:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support looks fine to me. Compositionally OK although Diliff raises good points about how it could be improved. There are some blown highlights but that is pretty much unavoidable.
dllu(t,
c) 04:43, 21 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment Frame is clipped, book is off centre. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 02:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment Is it some historical book that was badly damaged? I think the caption should mention it.
Brandmeistertalk 11:14, 15 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Looks like a French translation of the Iliad (or a book heavily referencing it), c. 18th century based on the fonts and paper. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 23:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support per Adam (particularly his last line about mangling people who mangle valuable books) —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 01:45, 17 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Slightly hesitant support Good image, though I wish a corner wasn't cut off. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 15:59, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Agreed with Adam, I regret that missing info as well. But completely fascinating and good EV. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 18:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Promoted File:Cigarette smuggling with a book.JPG --
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 10:18, 23 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment Is it just me, or is this a mite oversaturated? Adam Cuerden(
talk) 18:52, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Sorry, I'm not really feeling this one. The focus seems a little off, the framing is very tight, it does seem over-saturated. Also, what's the gash on his lower back? It's definitely a very useful picture for the article, but I don't think it's quite FP-worthy.
J Milburn (
talk) 23:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I'm pretty sure the spot's a scar, but other points stand. Oppose per Milburn. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 05:30, 17 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator --
Tomer T (
talk) 14:51, 14 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Looks pretty decent. Like all the detail. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 18:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment. This picture gives the impression that the upper storeys slightly overhang the lower ones. Is that the case in reality? If not then it is somewhat misleading. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
86.146.108.14 (
talk •
contribs) 17 August 2013
As you say, it is an impression only resulting from the slightly too tight framing, and because
our eyes are stupid. --
ELEKHHT 07:38, 17 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure it's because our eyes are stupid. In my opinion it is because, from this apparent position, the top of the building would naturally appear to be slightly narrower, due to perspective effects. Because there is no such narrowing in the picture, we assume that the building actually widens slightly, which would be a correct assumption in a real-world situation.
81.159.111.248 (
talk) 10:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Note that
perspective control is common, and has been so far considered acceptable at FPC. --
ELEKHHT 00:03, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I think that adjusting the perspective is OK when it corrects a camera artefact/limitation to create a natural-looking aspect, but when it breaks the natural perspective, and makes things appear distorted, I think it is a mistake.* However, I am not a technical expert and it is not clear to me whether this photo has been "corrected" or is simply taken from a greater distance than appears, at which distance the perspective effect would naturally be less.
86.160.217.67 (
talk) 13:08, 18 August 2013 (UTC) *Unless done deliberately to create a special effect, of course. I am talking about pictures that are supposed to faithfully document the subject.reply
Actually in this picture the upper storeys do overhang the lower ones by about 5 to 10 pixels.
picture. It appears to be a pincushion distortion.
dllu(t,
c) 04:34, 21 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Weak support Nice picture with good lighting. It also provides a good level of detail and EV. Weak support because of the tight framing. --
ELEKHHT 07:38, 17 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 24 Aug 2013 at 16:37:04 (UTC)
Reason
The
recent nomination of an uncropped version was rather stymied by me uploading it - but not a PNG version - literally half an hour before I flew to Hong Kong for Wikimania. This made the request to crop it rather difficult. I'm back in Edinburgh now, so can finally deal with the requests.
SupportMediran (
t •
c) 14:35, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose. I know it was probably done because of the "rule of thirds" thing, but I would strongly prefer a tighter crop on this particular image. I find the extensive blurry background on the left side of the image to be distracting without adding anything at all aesthetically.
Rreagan007 (
talk) 16:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I completely disagree. It's not all about the rule of thirds, but also
lead room. Aesthetically, the current crop gives the impression of the puffin looking out to sea. If it were cropped, we would instead have the impression of the puffin looking at the edge of a frame- much less visually interesting. The wide crop also serves to give an excellent impression of the puffin's natural habitat; upon a small piece of land on a cliff, next to the sea.
J Milburn (
talk) 17:00, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support per J Milburn --
mcshadyplTC 21:51, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Strong support WOW. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 18:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support very nice.
Nikhil(
talk) 02:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Holy mother of... support. If our photographs are getting this big, and this sharp, we might as well try for a one gigapixel image and say "take that Google" —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 01:43, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support But as for EV, should this picture not be in the infobox instead of buried in the article? It is superior to the low resolution photograph currently there.
Mattximus (
talk) 14:28, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Wide images are often a bad idea in infoboxes; indeed, some infoboxes don't even allow you to resize. Ideally, I suppose, we'd want something like looking across the bridge from one bank for the infobox, as that'd fit best. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 22:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Indeed, however the image already found in the infobox is almost identical in proportions to the one proposed here but of inferior quality. Just a comment, support not conditional on this change.
Mattximus (
talk) 03:34, 19 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Aye, I noticed that, but I'm not sure screwing up the good photo is a good solution. =) Adam Cuerden(
talk) 21:22, 19 August 2013 (UTC)reply
By the way, is there any chance of improving Commons' large image viewer so it doesn't break on these very large images? It'd make it far easier for most of us to see and appreciate them. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 10:56, 21 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Some superb night photography.
Jujutacular (
talk) 12:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Promoted File:Albert Bridge, London - Oct 2012.jpg --
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 20:35, 25 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Perspective distortion and high saturation.
Sanyambahga (
talk) 07:11, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
The chromatic saturation is the very reason I nominated this image.
QatarStarsLeague (
talk) 14:47, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support High quality picture with beautiful light and colors, interesting details. This picture shows wonderfully the impressive interior of the mosque.
Quincy2010 (
talk) 11:30, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose Something is off with the saturation (?). Look at the books on the lower right. They are glowing white.
Mattximus (
talk) 14:42, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose - primary issues are 1) the angle and perspective are odd and 2) the sky around the sun is so blown that it is solid white with strange artifacting and it leaves the rest of the scene dark.
Chris857 (
talk) 02:29, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I don't feel the perspective and angle utilized has a depreciative effect on the image. What exactly do you mean by "blown". Blurry? Additionally, the darkened hue effect is the phenotype of this picture, and the reason I feel it could make a featured picture. Anyway, thank you for your constructive response.
QatarStarsLeague (
talk) 02:57, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose - low EV as there is no light on the subject.
Sanyambahga (
talk) 07:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose - I agree with Chris857, moreover hue has nothing to do with an article related to Mosque.
Godhulii 1985 (
talk) 11:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Your correct, it doesn't. It just makes for a captivating image.
QatarStarsLeague (
talk) 14:43, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose HDR makes the picture look too artificial and gives moving objects a very obvious blur behind them. This perspective also isn't ideal. --
mcshadyplTC 21:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose Lighting is very dark, hard to clearly see mosque. Also obstructed by birds.
Mattximus (
talk) 14:34, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose, backlighting and gigantic blown highlight (i.e., the sun) completely ruin this.
Daniel Case (
talk) 15:18, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment Borders look a little dirty. Otherwise quite nice. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 01:38, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
That border was one of the dirtiest I ever dealt with. It's lightyears better than it was, but, after about five hours of working on the border alone, I decided a little dirty was acceptable. =) As you know, I use GIMP; I think Photoshop might have some automations that speed up border-fixing, so if you want to have a look, I'd appreciate it. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 10:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Will see what I can do, since tonight I've got free internet.. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 14:12, 19 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Something's up. Have included what I played with to get the borders (in my mind) a little cleaner. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 14:51, 19 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I'll happily Support Alt 1. Thanks! Adam Cuerden(
talk) 18:14, 19 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Thanks. Support, with a preference for ALT1. Very nice restoration, Adam, and a field we don't have many FPs in. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 22:27, 19 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 6 Sep 2013 at 00:07:15 (UTC)
Reason
This high quality image adds significantly to the articles in which it appears, including the article for the
Alabama Theatre. The image successfully illustrates the physical artistic beauty of its topic, the organ console, to the point in which viewers want to read the article about
Theatre Organs, where the image also appears. This work is in the public domain.
Support as nominator --
Billertl (
talk) 00:07, 27 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Opppose Sadly, it's under the minimum size for Featured Pictures (1500x1500px) and it's rather dimly lit. Whilst a photo of the organ is certainly featureable, this isn't quite there. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 13:32, 27 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Adam Cuerden.
Nikhil(
talk) 15:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Notable, and, while it has the jerky repetetiveness a lot of very early cartoons do - McCay was, I believe, one of the first animators, and tended to narrate over the films as a vaudiville act, so there's often some long pauses for when he spoke. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 10:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Well that was disturbing. Oppose....only joking. Support. I do have a question though. In the article it says, "The paper called the film 'a marvelous arrangement of colored drawings', referring to the final explosive sequence (which McCay had hand-painted red)." Is there a reason this version is all black instead of having the original red at the end?
Rreagan007 (
talk) 05:57, 22 August 2013 (UTC)reply
The original was entirely black-and-white. McCay hand-painted the red onto the actual frames of the film, something he did on
File:Winsor McCay, the Famous Cartoonist of the N.Y. Herald and His Moving Comics - Little Nemo (1911).webm earlier. There was (most likely) only one coloured version made, and it was made for McCay's vaudeville show. McCay's films have been poorly preserved—Canemaker gives the story in his McCay bio, and it makes it seem a miracle any of them have survived at all. At least one film has been lost entirely, and some others survive only in fragments. I assume the coloured version of Mosquito was one of the cans of film that was discovered that had to be destroyed before it spontaneously combusted, if it survived even that long. There was a live-action prologue to Mosquito that has been entirely lost as well, and not one of the original drawings have survived, either. It may even be that not all of the animated portion has survived—notice how abrupt the ending is?
Curly Turkey (
gobble) 13:23, 22 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 28 Aug 2013 at 01:36:51 (UTC)
Reason
Good resolution, nice and sharp, fairly interesting for an official portrait. I've had to remove a bit of dust and some hairs (this photo seems to have been taken in the late 80s).
Previous nom was just short.
Support looks like it's from the 80s, but colours are likely to be faithful to the source.
Mattximus (
talk) 14:31, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I think it's his official portrait from when he was deputy director ('86-'89). I didn't touch the colours during my restoration. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 14:33, 18 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Works for me. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 18:35, 22 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Nice portrait. –
Billertl (
talk) 00:21, 27 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Support Nice work!
Nikhil(
talk) 15:15, 27 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Promoted File:Dale D. Myers - GPN-2002-000097.jpg --
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 09:43, 28 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment. Another one of several recently that seems to misrepresent its subject. It appears from this picture that the coastline begins to curve quite tightly to the left, but
Google Maps shows this is not the case.
86.160.212.162 (
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Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 30 Aug 2013 at 05:13:41 (UTC)
Reason
A very high EV image of the
2013 Moore tornado. Freely licensed (taken by me). Not perfect technical composition but high resolution (I will say, it's really hard to focus on the minor details of composition when there's an EF5 tornado nearby).
Support as nominator --
Ks0stm(
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I should probably complain about the chromatic fringing, but, screw it. It's a picture of a highly notable tornado that's freely licensed. Support original. Adam Cuerden(
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Support per Adam: this is a competently executed and dramatic photo of a notable topic with strong EV.
Nick-D (
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Question: How would everyone feel about a crop? —
Crisco 1492 (
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Sorry for the general policy question, but if better pictures of a specific event exist "out there" (for example [
[1]]) but not in wikicommons, should the lesser photograph still be promoted to featured article? And for the record support cropped Alt.
Mattximus (
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As a general rule, remember we can only use free-licensed images here. If there's a better free-licensed image, that's a major problem. Now, i'm not an expert in tornado photography, but I'm going to guess that image you linked was likely taken with very high-speed film, since I wouldn't expect a tornado - by definition something made up of very fast-moving and thus fast-changing winds - to look that sharp without a very fast shutter speed. I may be wrong on that, but, if correct, this may well better depict what it would look like if you're there.
However, as I said, I'm not sure about any of that.
Now, what I can say is that the mere existence of a better photo Wikipedia can never use probably isn't a huge obstacle to FPC. Many pictures of celebrities we have at FP are great photos, but not as good as professional publicity shots, for insance. Adam Cuerden(
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Thanks for the excellent and timely reply, much appreciated!
Mattximus (
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I agree with what you said for the most part but with one note: How a tornado looks in a photograph can vary greatly based upon where the photographer is in relation to the tornado, overall storm, and lighting (the sun), as well as the overall structure of the storm and tornado. In this instance I was located to the southeast of the tornado. The reason the tornado is less well defined as in the other photograph is because by this point in its life cycle (about 5-10 minutes later than the other photo) rain had started to wrap around the tornado
(examples for comparison). Within five minutes of my photo the tornado was hardly visible through the rain.
Ks0stm(
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Support prefer alt.
Nikhil(
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Support with a preference for the alt. —
Crisco 1492 (
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I don't actually care much for the crop. It feels cluttered. Adam Cuerden(
talk) 22:13, 24 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I agree: I think that the crop takes away some of the drama in the original.
Nick-D (
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Personally, I feel the extra road shifts focus away from the tornado and makes it feel more distant from the photographer. But I didn't oppose the original, so the original can still count my !vote as a support. —
Crisco 1492 (
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I'm fine with either version, but I will note that the tornado was distant from me...it was still a little over 2.5 miles (4.0 km) away from me, but it was over 1 mile (1.6 km) wide.
Ks0stm(
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Support as nominator --
Nikhil(
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I am horribly disappointed in this photo. There's no restoration needed, so all I can do is Support, instead of grabbing it as a restoration project. ;) Adam Cuerden(
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Support Crystal. It maybe appears slightly noisy to me? – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 18:36, 22 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I believe this was done on film. May be wrong, though - Once you get past 1950 or so, I know a lot less about photography. Adam Cuerden(
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Support although a part of me would like a bit on each side, but I guess that's just because the shape isn't quite usual. Grandiose(
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Support Looks good.
Billertl (
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Oppose - Looks like one of those invariable stock photos. Would have higher EV in, ya know, a forest. —
Crisco 1492 (
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Oppose per Crisco. Staged, looks like a poor magazine advertisement. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 18:36, 22 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I think it's pretty good for a staged shot, but agree some appropriate background would have turned this from good to clear support. Adam Cuerden(
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Support as nominator --
Tomer T (
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Oppose: Copyright violation. No Freedom of Panorama in France, US doesn't recognise FOP for statues or monuments. —
Crisco 1492 (
talk) 23:06, 21 August 2013 (UTC)reply
This is an architectural work, designed by an architect, so
US FOP applies. Furthermore, architecture is only protected by US copyright since 1990, while this building was designed and completed prior to that. --
ELEKHHT 04:23, 22 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Does that extend to a building in Paris though? If copyright status is OK (and I hope that it is), I'm afraid that I'm going to oppose as the EV isn't strong here - from having visited this building, it's key features are that it's really, really big, and that its the centrepiece of the entire La Défense precinct. This image doesn't illustrate either point well as the fountains dominate the composition.
Nick-D (
talk) 23:18, 23 August 2013 (UTC)reply
It can be hosted on en.wiki, but you should not use it if you're in France. Note that the deletion request has been now withdrawn. Otherwise agree with your critique about limited EV. --
ELEKHHT 01:52, 24 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Thank you for that clarification.
Nick-D (
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Speaks to a wider issue. Please bring it to the village pump.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Elekhh: Why do you believe that this can be hosted on enwp? Do you have a link to a discussion which concluded that we ignore FOP laws?
J Milburn (
talk) 09:28, 24 August 2013 (UTC)reply
On the contrary, we observe FOP laws. But unlike Commons, which requires a free license both for the US and the country of origin of the photography, en.wiki does not have such a policy, and per
Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights "Wikipedia is bound to comply with United States copyright law" and "While Wikipedia prefers content that is free anywhere in the world, it accepts content that is free in the United States even if it may be under copyright in some other countries." It is current practice to host images on en.wiki if they are compliant with our policy but not with the more stringent policy of Commons. There is also a specific tag on the file warning users that "This file will not be in the public domain in its home country until January 1, 2059 and should not be transferred to Wikimedia Commons until that date, as Commons requires that images be free in the source country and in the United States". --
ELEKHHT 09:54, 24 August 2013 (UTC)reply
There is horrible inconsistency, though. We have a featured picture of the
Angel of the North- a copyrighted statue which may be freely photographed in the UK, where it stands, but not in the US. We can't have it both ways. Either we observe only US law (and so have no free images of statues, and only of buildings) or we observe local laws. Commons does the latter. Enwp has no clear consensus on which we're doing.
J Milburn (
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What is consistent in all this is that images with some copyright restrictions can be accepted if no more free alternative is possible and it is essential for supporting the educational scope of the article. Hence the over
300K images with non-free use rationale. The image you linked to does not infringe US law as it does not claim to be free in the US (it is tagged stating that it may not be free in the US) and its use on Wikipedia is non-commercial. What is inconsistent with is Wikipedia's aim of only hosting free images. But I think not showing it would only undermine the educational aim, and would be silly given that such images are
all over the web.
In the case of 20th century architecture in France, other Wikipedias also reached a consensus that such images shall be locally hosted. The de.wiki
hosts images of the Grande Arche as free under German FOP law while fr.wiki hosts
images of the Arche based on community consensus to exempt such images from their free content policy. --
ELEKHHT 06:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)reply
"What is consistent in all this is that images with some copyright restrictions can be accepted if no more free alternative is possible and it is essential for supporting the educational scope of the article." That's what the NFCC are all about. The image you linked to does not infringe US law as it does not claim to be free in the US (it is tagged stating that it may not be free in the US) and its use on Wikipedia is non-commercial." Sure, we can use non-free images, but we should not be listing these non-free images as "free" and promoting them to FP status. That's the problem. We as a project need to work out what we're doing here, because right now, it's a free-for-all.
J Milburn (
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I don't think is "free-for-all". But we have to deal with the reality of inconsistencies between various national copyright laws, which means that there will often be countries in which some images are not free for commercial use. This Grande Arche image is perfectly free in the US, UK, Australia, India, China, Germany, Brazil and many more countries that do have Freedom of Panorama provisions for images of architecture. I don't see why it should not be eligible for FP. If you wish to raise the question of FP eligibility of all 20th century sculptures, I think that discussion belongs elsewhere. --
ELEKHHT 22:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Hi everyone, as this discussion is now about a wider issue than just this candidate, perhaps discussion could be moved to
WP:VP/P (Village pump/policy)? For the record, if this is free under US FOP laws, current consensus is that it is free enough. If we disagree with this consensus, a doomed FPC nom is not the place to discuss it. —
Crisco 1492 (
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"For the record, if this is free under US FOP laws, current consensus is that it is free enough." How sure are you of that? What about those images not free under US FOP laws but which are free in their country of origin, like the images at
Angel of the North? That's my point. We seem to have an inconsistency here- that's all I'm saying. I'm not trying to change policy, I'm just pointing out that we don't seem to have a policy.
J Milburn (
talk) 10:45, 26 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment: Elekhh's claim that this image "can be hosted on en.wiki" is without foundation. Our policies on this matter, unlike the policies on Commons, are inconsistent and/or absent. If you wish to refute my claim, please provide a link to a policy page which makes the English Wikipedia's stance on FOP clear.
J Milburn (
talk) 12:35, 27 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Already did (in that collapsed part), you just need to chill down and read. Also for
civility's sake please try avoid offending me by making unsubstantiated claims. I suggest we stop this discussion here, take a break, and re-convene at a more appropriate forum (village pump, FPC talk page), as suggested earlier. --
ELEKHHT 13:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I did not realise that even if you follow from there "Wikipedia is bound to comply with
United States copyright law" there is still no direct link to
§ 120 (linked in my very first comment on this page), which is the US version of "
Freedom of Panorama" for buildings. --
ELEKHHT 13:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Why are you so keen to have this argument here? I could offer a response, but that's just going to lead to this thread being collapsed as well.
J Milburn (
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