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Reason
The image is high-quality. Would have rather had better dating of it, Mr. Smithsonian Institution Who Should Know Better, but we can narrow it down enough that it's not excessive. Edit: About 19421. I found a very similar photograph published in an industry journal in February 1942, and
Penny Richards traced it to a newspaper in 1941, so... She started her career off as a professor teaching Chemistry to Home Economics students - and showed just how much you can do with that kind of thing, because she was really good at research on nutrition and such, and it eventually lead to her working for NASA in helping astronauts maintain bone density.
Support as article creator (six years ago!) – It's not-so-common for academic women of her generation to have a high-quality portrait, so this is wonderful to highlight; and the NASA connection is definitely a bonus.
Penny Richards (
talk) 02:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator –
Andrei (
talk) 09:24, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment – Once again, in the interest of historical transparency, the nom. caption should include the fact that, before 1945, the city was the German Breslau, and that Centennial Hall was built in 1912-1913 as the Jahrhunderthalle. –
Sca (
talk) 12:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Jahrhunderthalle is translated as Centennial Hall. It would be a tautology. Fixed the rest. --
Andrei (
talk) 14:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
The point of mentioning Jahrhunderthalle is that the original name of the building was in German. Dziękuję.–
Sca (
talk) 12:37, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reason
Quite a nice image, immaculately preserved - I added this to my queue, then took it off because I couldn't find a speck. Lead image of the article on her.
They show different things and have different purposes. Why encourage mediocrity in the Second image? Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.6% of all
FPs 01:17, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Ok Support, there is enough of a difference in the depictions, and the EV and the historic subject matter helps as well in this case.
Bammesk (
talk) 16:42, 24 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Support - Seems to check all the boxes. Love those glasses!
Kaldari (
talk) 17:52, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reason
While not the lead image, it helps illustrate the variety of work she did. She was NASA's first black female engineer, after all. She worked in wind tunnels.
Support as nominator – Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.6% of all
FPs 22:28, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment – thanks to you
Adam, we have a FP of her
here, why have a second FP?
Bammesk (
talk) 01:00, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Why not? I think that, if we only accept one photo per subject, we end up with our good illustrations being lost in a sea of mediocre ones also in the articles. Better to accept multiple images that are each distinct than encourage a philosophy of all the other photos in an article being poor-quality. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.6% of all
FPs 01:15, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Bammesk That's the same image that's nominated here. Did you mean another image?
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 13:48, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oops, I meant
this image, I fixed the link. Thanks.
Bammesk (
talk) 14:36, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment - I'm not loving the composition on this one. The lights at the top are especially distracting. I think a much tighter crop would be an improvement.
Kaldari (
talk) 17:56, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Sca and
Kaldari: I think that's inevitable for this image's EV. We could crop a bit, but a lot of the busy-ness is giving information about the wind tunnel, and if you crop out the wind tunnel, you're just left with an image redundant to and a bit worse than the lead one. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 19:55, 24 October 2020 (UTC)reply
In that case, it may just not be suitable as an FP.
Kaldari (
talk) 19:05, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose I agree it is a poor composition. EV but not FP.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 10:57, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reason
So, uh... I have insomnia. And you can probably guess from my recent activity here what I do when I have insomnia. But I will say this is a pretty strong image, I love "People at work images", and I just spent about... four, four and a half hours cleaning this one up. Think some of the marks look like scuffs, so I left those in. Oh, I should probably point out the curves adjustment. I'm rather proud of that: Was able to recover a fair bit of detail in the bright whites, which is always nice. I'd imagine this was shot a bit on the over-exposed side as, well, frankly, film stock was calibrated for white people - but at least the photographer making the effort to work around them means that she is well-photgraphed. Oh, and for the record, this is the poster:
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/mapcatalog/LEM/ - the apparent smear on the left of the moon is definitely a real lunar feature.
I don't know if I can vote but this object is a good memory for me who had the opportunity to hold it in my hand. It is a common object that surprised me with the finesse of the work and the intelligence of the amalgamation of heterogeneous materials. In this object there is no unnecessary detail. --
Archaeodontosaurus (
talk) 19:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment –
Archaeodontosaurus, I think
this other image of yours has a good chance of passing an FP nom if the crop wasn't so tight. How about adding say for example 100 pixels of black area to each side?
Bammesk (
talk) 14:58, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Support Thank you it seems to me that there are only gentlemen here ...--
Archaeodontosaurus (
talk) 19:44, 24 October 2020 (UTC)reply
who could possibly argue with a man with a harpoon, Didier.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 10:20, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Support but with suggestion : Somehow divide the image (with white horizontal line?) so that it is immediately apparent that it's the same harpoon twice, not two harpoons. --
Janke |
Talk 11:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment - This image is very disorienting to me. It seems to be two harpoons floating in space with shadows going in different directions. And if they are both the same harpoon, how are they sharing the same background? It makes my head spin trying to figure out what I'm actually looking at.
Kaldari (
talk) 19:14, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Promoted File:Harpon Unaaq MHNT ETH AC 198.jpg --
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 19:49, 3 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support –
Bammesk (
talk) 22:44, 25 October 2020 (UTC) . . . I see some banding above and to the left of the head, but not a big deal.reply
There is is some which was noted at Commons. I tried removing them, but the final result was too 'smooth'.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 10:54, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I could have a go if you want, but it seems unnecessary. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.6% of all
FPs 15:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks, but as you say, probably not worth the effort. It was a poor light shot and when you bring up shadows even in RAW, a few artefacts can appear on conversion.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 19:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
This user doesn't has the necessary number of edits (100) or tenure (25 days) to cast a vote, so I struck it. Thanks, Charlesjsharp, for pointing it out. Regards,
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 18:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Support Best image available, I'm just wondering should we have Buteo buteo buteo as the main picture.
—kallerna 14:59, 31 October 2020 (UTC)reply
They're not that different and there are a couple of morphs of the common buzzard anyway.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 17:37, 31 October 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reason
This is a unique image of a historic figure in the latter years of his life. DeFord Bailey was the first performer to appear on
The Grand Old Opry radio show and is only one of two African-American inductees in the Country Music Hall of Fame. His photo clearly fulfills the following FP parameters: 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. I understand that 1, 2, & 3 are more concerned with the technical aspects and perhaps this image might not be thought of as fulfilling these criteria, but it is possible that this photo fulfills 1, 2, & 3. It is a singular photo of a unique African-American man in American musical history. Mr Bailey is deceased and it is the only photo of Mr. Bailey available on Commons. Yes, I agree the technical aspects of criteria 1 & 2 are important but I think the historical aspects of this photo should be taken into consideration as well.
Comment - Is it not possible to reduce the noise ? DreamSparrowChat 17:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment - The cleanup couldn't bring back the details lost in the original scan due to overly high contrast (lost detail in highlights and shadows, probably due to scanning from a photographic print (confirmed, looking at original scan), not an original negative/slide). For this reason, my original oppose stands. --
Janke |
Talk 17:58, 27 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment Independent of other issues, I'm not sure about the restoration. Comparing to the original, the image now seems significantly noisier (looking particularly at his hat) and to have lost detail in places (looking particularly at his tie). I don't know if this is through the actual filters applied, or repeated saving? The biggest difference seems to be in the last two edits.
TSP (
talk) 19:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)reply
The film grain is slightly more noticeable in the brighter areas now, instead of being blown out. Chroma noise and posterization are reduced though. (
Hohum@) 20:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reason
She's one of those people who have a complicated career, so it's a little hard to summarise, but, suffice to say, a notable Army nurse who was one of the first two nurses to be given the rank of Colonel, and set up neuropsychiatric hospitals in the
South West Pacific Area during WWII as Assistant Director of Nursing, amongst other things.
Oppose - just a snapshot; distracting composition with leaves at top, strong chromatic aberration. --
Janke |
Talk 18:00, 27 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment While Slovakia is a beautiful country, there are better pictures of it on Commons. You are more likely to show encyclopedic value for a narrower topic. And as Janke said, the
chromatic aberration reduces the quality of the image. (
t ·
c) buidhe 19:12, 27 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Hi - not sure what the rules are for nominating an image if you are new here.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 19:21, 28 October 2020 (UTC)reply
My understanding is you can always nominate. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.6% of all
FPs 01:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Charlesjsharp: My impression is this is a strong photo, but the barn owl is a relatively small number of the pixels. What's your thoughts on the difficulty? Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 01:03, 29 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose I would love to take a shot like this but it is too small and noisy for FP. With only a 300mm lens, too much has had to be cropped.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 10:41, 29 October 2020 (UTC)reply
If a larger image of this existed, though, I'd be happy to support it. A pity, but the owl is such a small part of a fairly low-res photo. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.6% of all
FPs 07:06, 30 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Support It's a great image of a very interesting building by a notable architect couple. It may not be immediately obvious that it's a church (known locally as the 'soul silo'!), but it's basically a re-imagining of the cathedral, and especially the interior is gorgeous. And yes, I realise none of that has anything to do with the FP nom, but thought I'd mention it anyway. :) --
DoubleGrazing (
talk) 13:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC)reply
We really need an interior photo in the article... --
Janke |
Talk 14:47, 28 October 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Janke: There are a few in the
commons folder, although they don't (can't, really) quite convey the sense of space. --
DoubleGrazing (
talk) 15:07, 28 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Gets my (perchance a bit too provincial) support ;-) --
Janke |
Talk 14:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Stub article. Composition not helped by the people. Slightly tilted. Not sure what the white blobs in the grass are. Birds?Charlesjsharp (
talk) 10:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose – Per Charles. And vertical perspective seems slightly distorted. –
Sca (
talk) 12:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment I fixed the perspective and tilt. White blobs are weeds and birds, I cloned one bird out.
—kallerna 14:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks, can you add more referenced content to the article, please.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 09:25, 30 October 2020 (UTC)reply
The finnish article is quite extensive, I could translate some content from there. I’m quite busy during the weekend but we’ll see.
—kallerna 11:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Support under the assumption the article will at least be a bit bigger before it's considered for main page. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.6% of all
FPs 09:18, 31 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Question I don't think we should make this sort of assumption. BUT, I've read through the FP criteria and I cannot find any guideline that excludes stub articles. I have assumed, because my images in stub articles have been rejected, that article size is a criteria. Opinions anyone?
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 10:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)reply
"because my images in stub articles have been rejected", could you give us some examples please (where article size was the reason for rejection), so that we are all on the same page?
Bammesk (
talk) 15:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)reply
My understanding is that it's not a requirement, but if notability isn't established, that can sink a nom, obviously. More relevant to Charles' question is that a failure to have a reasonably long article will block POTD, and some people will vote accordingly. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 18:18, 31 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Here is my take, I go by one or two paragraphs, not one or two sentences. For a notable subject, it shouldn't be much effort to have one or two paragraphs. Criterion 5 says "Adds significant encyclopedic value to an article and helps readers to understand an article". If an article, for all practical purposes, is not written, then the image can't add significant EV to what is not-there-to-be-understood.
Bammesk (
talk) 15:23, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Here's one example where, in my opinion, having a male and female in a short article is good EV:
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Blue-legged chameleon female. "one or two paragraphs, not one or two sentences" may make sense, but we should have a policy. Taking an extreme example I have not nominated
File:Hemiolaus cobaltina.jpg, How can readers understand the 1/2 line article without this picture? Suitability for POTD is not mentioned in FP Criteria: perhaps it should be. I am NOT pushing for stub articles to have FPs, I just want a sound policy.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 20:17, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Regarding "How can readers understand the 1/2 line article
[1] without this picture?": There isn't anything to understand, because the article isn't written. The 1/2 line is a placeholder, it isn't an article.
Bammesk (
talk) 20:41, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support - good picture of a notable building. Also I am delighted to discover that the architect's older sister was the partner of the author who created the Moomins.
TSP (
talk) 17:15, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reason
Found this while prepping the Signpost Featured content page for this month. A rather impressive and dynamic image of the artist's show. Certainly a bit out of the ordinary. Manages to look good despite difficult conditions - black clothing in darkness. Might challenge your monitor's black depth, mind, so I'm open to doing a levels tweak at the bottom. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 23:16, 8 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Articles in which this image appears
Joan Sebastian, and numerous pages related to awards Sebastian won
Support as nominator – Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 23:14, 8 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment – I am leaning to oppose, he isn't sharp, I think the focus is on the back half of the horse, not the mid-section where he is, or the front. Or there is excessive
motion blur.
Bammesk (
talk) 00:53, 9 November 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm not the best judge of modern pics, but I saw that as necessary consequences of a difficult to shoot photo. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 05:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose – Rider is indeed out of focus at full res., and his black costume bleeds into the nighttime BG. –
Sca (
talk) 14:07, 9 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Withdraw. Thanks for considering this, I'll take the lessons in mind next time I look at modern photos. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 17:16, 9 November 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reason
A fascinating woman - one of the most successful mine owners in Montana, a genius at business, and I've heard her declared a modern woman in the Victorian era. It's a nice photo, did need a bit of work - lots of damage. Also, is it just me, or is "square" as an image option way larger than any of the other image layout types?
Generally speaking, oppose featurement of "restored" images. If they are of enough value to feature, then let's have them unfiddled around with.
2A00:23C8:7B08:6A00:A1B5:9D8F:29CE:2A8 (
talk) 23:24, 7 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Struck vote as unregistered users are not allowed to do that here.
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 15:05, 8 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator –
Bammesk (
talk) 03:52, 6 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support A little more depth of field would've been nice, but it's sharp where it needs to be. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 03:58, 6 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment. There is too much "blurred window" background, which is distracting in a non-interesting way. Perhaps it could be cropped more tightly.
2A00:23C8:7B08:6A00:A1B5:9D8F:29CE:2A8 (
talk) 23:10, 7 November 2020 (UTC)reply
My two cents about the DOF and crop: I see both as artistic effects (or choices). This is a portrait of a person, the focal point is her face and it's sharp where it should be. Reviews on DOF and crop are valid subjective critiques though. On the technical side: there isn't much of a range in setting the DOF. Capturing the ambient lit background and the
fill flash foreground limits the aperature/exposure time/ISO settings. A deeper DOF could introduce motion blur or noise. It would also sharpen the bokeh, which isn't the intent here. This is a well done photo technically IMO.
Bammesk (
talk) 18:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support I like the DOF and the composition. Way too many times, portraits are boring headshots, this has a bit of character to it --
Muhammad(talk) 13:00, 9 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support - comment - This picture shows blurred windows, but the face was clearly visible.
Evan0512 (
talk) 18:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Weak support – A bit oversharpened, IMO. Interestingly, this perspective "squashes" the high rock into the landscape, so you don't see it as in the other pctures in the article. --
Janke |
Talk 10:18, 9 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose Only featured in the unnecessary gallery in the article. Slightly overprocessed (sharpening, shadows/highlights), but my main concern is the composition: the viewpoint is not ideal, too much foreground. If the main subject is the town, why so wide panorama? Would be better if 30-40 % of the photo would be cropped from the right. I would love to see a drone shot in the evening sun.
—kallerna 13:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Pretty sure the main subject is the Lorelei rock in the middle, not the town. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 18:12, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support The Loreley is primarily the rock in the center of the image. It forms a dangerous bottleneck in the Rhine. The panorama authentically reproduces the view from the "Maria Ruh" lookout point. --
Milseburg (
talk) 19:44, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment (listed under FPCs needing feedback) I do not feel comfortable supporting or opposing this picture. It is a great shot, but I have a hard time seeing the significant encyclopedic value of it.
Footlessmouse (
talk) 22:44, 17 November 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reason
Was seen on Commons FPC last month, where it was featured unanimously. Well executed focus stack that shows an aspect of the subject the infobox images don't.
Support though has anyone told Sven about the error Janke spotted? Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 18:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose It would be good if just spot
Janke saw would be problem. I added on photo much more biger issues. Around head etc. Also, Color space is not RGB but Uncalibrated. Adobe PS cant solve this, even Helicon can't. Some spaces always need manual correction. Depth card is OK, those parts are not missing, so photographer could add them. I need something like 5-6 h of work for such photo. This one was shot in morning and uploaded afternoon. I do that more like
in few days than hours.
Bammesk usualy have sharp eye ;). Botom could have some place more, tight crop. --
Petar Milošević (
talk) 18:17, 15 November 2020 (UTC) p.S.
MER-C mistakes are too bigreply
Support as nominator –
Bammesk (
talk) 17:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose due to the purple fringing.
MER-C 18:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)reply
I see it now. It's pronounced on the peripheries, not the middle!? perhaps it's amplified by
iridescence or some physical property of the shells, rather than an optical or photographic defect.
Bammesk (
talk) 19:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment - I think it's photographic. This is a composite photo of the same shell, and I see purple fringing in all of them. Not enough that I'll oppose, though. --
Janke |
Talk 10:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Janke, yes it's a composite. I didn't mean the periphery of the photograph, I meant the periphery of the shell (in each profile), that's where the purple fringing is. The periphery has a steep angle with respect to the camera, but the middle portion has little to no angle. I am suggesting perhaps the steep angle brings out the unusual scattering of light, due to
iridescence or some other physical property, as opposed to photographic/lens imperfections.
Bammesk (
talk) 01:38, 10 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Taking into account that the size of the shell is only 17 mm across, and probably shot with a zoom lens (at 47 mm) with extension ring(s) or with a diopter close-up lens, my bet is on chromatic aberration, not iridiscence. (BTW: I'd really like to know how that mollusk manages making those little bumps alternate light/dark on the shell... ;-) --
Janke |
Talk 22:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Struck vote as unregistered users are not allowed to do that here.
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 10:07, 11 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support I think it's probably iridescence. And given the size, this is a pretty extreme zoom, so some minor imperfections are pretty acceptable. I estimate this at around a 20x zoom on my screen by a rough estimate, if the original is 17 mm, so some imperfections are natural. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 23:08, 12 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Having hard crispy outlines against the black background at points of the shell where the interior outlines appear blurred and fringed by shallow dof and chromatic aberration (most noticeably at the upper right near the mouth of the shell) makes this look too fake to me, regardless of whether that is the way it was actually shot. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 00:40, 14 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support. The house was somewhat painted yellow.
Evan0512 (
talk) 18:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)reply
So? –
Sca (
talk) 14:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose The picture is taken from an angle that makes the house seem somehow distorted, you don’t get a proper feeling of the volumes of the building.
Yakikaki (
talk) 21:11, 12 November 2020 (UTC)reply
I had the same feeling, but I checked, and everything that should be vertical is. I think it's partly the effect of the mansard roof. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 04:14, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment. Good lighting and detail on an encyclopedic-enough building but at high resolution this is a bit soft for my taste. More importantly I find the cluttered background confusing. It's what's there in the scene and hard to do much around, but for instance it makes the skylight on the building look at first like a distant unrelated building on the hilltop behind it, and the same for the white trim on the left side of the roof. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 18:08, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
It seems decent for 2013. My main issue is that I wish it wasn't such a tight crop. Weak supportAdam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 05:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator – Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 08:57, 10 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment – The crop used with the
article is a bit tighter, and IMO even a little more left-cropping would be advisable. –
Sca (
talk) 14:28, 10 November 2020 (UTC)reply
That's what CSS-crop is for, though. Lets you have the full image, but crop it a little for thumbnailing. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 18:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Well, Suffren is the photo subject, and those interested in naval history might like to zero in on 'her' a bit closer. All the murky gray context isn't helpful in that regard.–
Sca (
talk) 14:01, 11 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support Should not crop historical photo.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 18:01, 11 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Why not? It's been done here before. –
Sca (
talk) 13:43, 12 November 2020 (UTC)reply
PS: The subject of the article is the ship itself, not the Toulon harbor in 1911. –
Sca (
talk) 13:27, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support – the lower left border looks faded, I think it can be touched up.
Bammesk (
talk) 03:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support. There's a black blotch in the hills, though.
MER-C 15:56, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support. Having the full image restored and featured, in enough detail that it can be CSS cropped for the article, is a good way to go. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 18:05, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment – Would someone like to explain to us benighted non-fotogs what a CSS crop is? (I was a news fotog of sorts in an earlier lifetime.) –
Sca (
talk) 22:57, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Sca: Oh, {{
CSS image crop}}. It's a way of cropping things on Wikipedia for articles without cropping the original image. It has the advantage that it directs people interested in the image to the uncropped one, which they can then crop however they like for reuse. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs
Okay, thanks Adam. –
Sca (
talk) 14:11, 14 November 2020 (UTC)01:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Promoted File:Agence Rol - 23-10-11, Toulon, cuirassé Suffren.jpg --
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 13:24, 20 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment. For me the foreground cars spoil this. I'd much rather this could have been shot at a time when the lot was empty. But here's a possible alternative CSS crop, which I'd be willing to support:
cropped to 3x4 aspect ratio
The article is also pretty stubby right now, so expanding it would strengthen the nomination. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 04:10, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment - I am sorry
David Eppstein, I don't think I can support the crop. It spoils the image I feel. - DreamSparrowChat 17:50, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose The car park ruins the composition in the original, and the alt seems a bit off centre. Neither image is much better than snapshot quality.
Nick-D (
talk) 08:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose There is also severe distortion of the tower due to extreme wideangle (13mm full-frame). Not good for architecture, would need a restitution to be acceptable. --
Janke |
Talk 13:12, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose – Per Janke. Skewed perspective is quite obvious. –
Sca (
talk) 13:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Mydreamsparrow: Thanks for nomination, yet I think it's difficult to take a perfect exterior picture of the Salepçioğlu Mosque, as there is just way too few space around... But you may go for it with one of both interior views if you wish. --
A.Savin (
talk) 14:19, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment - @
A.Savin: It is a beautiful image, that is why I tried nomination. DreamSparrowChat 17:50, 13 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support Seems sharp for a nighttime shot, and the lights do delineate things well. Give some scale. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 06:41, 16 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Leaning toSupport, provided the face is lightened up a bit... --
Janke |
Talk 20:31, 16 November 2020 (UTC)reply
I eyed that, but it's really not that much in shadow. Everything is still perfectly clear and detailed. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 10:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reason
Emmy Noether, one of the top mathematicians of 20th century, contributed to abstract algebra and theoretical physics. Several contributions are named after her, including
Noether's theorem which is the mathematical framework of
conservation of energy. Following her death, Einstein wrote a letter in the New York Times (May 5, 1935) in recognition of her contributions
[2]. The image is shy of the 1500 pixel count, but I think this qualifies for an exception. The image is historic, has high EV and good composition. The original is 1450×2085 pixels, I uploaded it for reference. The white periphery had always been cropped, because it fits the articles better that way, so after doing some minor touchups I cropped the periphery to what it was.
Comment: The image lacks a tag explaining why it is PD in the US. This should be provided, with evidence.
Josh Milburn (
talk) 18:39, 15 May 2020 (UTC)reply
I updated the tags, but can't find a source for its publication pre 1925.
Bammesk (
talk) 13:58, 16 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Then why are you so sure it was published pre 1925?
Josh Milburn (
talk) 06:31, 17 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose until the copyright situation is cleared up. We really can't be promoting images that only might be public domain.
Josh Milburn (
talk) 06:31, 17 May 2020 (UTC)reply
I can't find a source so I am not sure it was published pre 1925. Here is what I found (I am not a copyright expert, so correct me if I am wrong). These two sources
[3],
[4] suggest copyright ownership by her family (in footnotes: Emiliana and Monica), which suggests copyright ownership by Emmy Noether herself. 1- if the image was first published pre 1925, then it is PD in U.S., 2- if the image was first published after her death in 1935, then it is PD in U.S. 70 years after her death, i.e. post 2005, 3- if the image was first published between 1925 and her death in 1935, then a copyright renewal must have been filed 28 years later, from 1952 to 1963, or else the image is in PD in U.S. I did a search for her name in the
online copyright registration and renewal records from 1952 to 1963 and found reference to only one item,
this book. The book was first published in 1930 (volume 1) and 1931 (volume 2) in Germany, and multiple later editions exist. Whether the book includes this photo (at the time a 20 year old photo) is unlikely, but it is verifiable.
Bammesk (
talk) 18:52, 17 May 2020 (UTC)reply
The English translation of
the book is available at the internet archive
volume 1,
volume 2 (published around 1950). I looked through them and there are no images or photographs in them. I placed an inquiry at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard
diff. If there is no clearing up of the copyright, I would have no objection to withdrawing this nomination.
Bammesk (
talk) 23:43, 17 May 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reason
(nominating on behalf of
Synapticrelay who has been inactive for several months) The animation meets all the criteria of a featured picture and Synapticrelay deserves our formal gratitude for creating such an outstanding illustration of the concept. It has a max resolution, as an animated image, of 1,400 × 1,080, but it was dialed back to 600 × 463 for size considerations. But animated images are allowed to be smaller. It is otherwise clear and focused and has no display issues. In my opinion, it is certainly among Wikipedia's best work. I simply cannot think of a better illustration of viscosity and it immediately explains the concept to lay-readers. It is verifiable by common knowledge or any physics or engineering textbook mentioning the topic. The caption could probably be expanded, but the quality of the animation is such that very little needs to be said about it. No digital manipulation. Again, thank you,
Synapticrelay, for creating and uploading this amazing picture.
Footlessmouse (
talk) 00:58, 17 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support. Instantly gets the concept across without need for annotation. We don't have enough featured pictures that are scientific illustrations rather than photos or historical reproductions, and I think this is a great example of its type. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 22:37, 17 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support per above. --
Janke |
Talk 06:29, 17 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Larger version is very pixelated, but the smaller one looks good. Support, although I'd like to know what the method for making this was. Computer simulation of viscosity? If the user was more active, I'd like to hear a lot more from them. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 04:53, 18 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Hello! I am the original creator of this image. I created this in Blender 2.79 using the built-in fluid simulation mechanics, and rendered in Cycles. I have the original files available, and would be able to create a higher-resolution/clearer image if need be. Thank you so much for the nomination!
Synapticrelay (
talk) 02:19, 19 November 2020 (UTC)reply
I think it's good as-is, since the higher resolution would also cause issues with rendering gifs. maybe a high-resolution video for those that prefer that? But that confirms the physics, so that's good. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 11:00, 19 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support The boundary of the orange fluid where it meets the floor jitters a lot. Can this be easily fixed? cmɢʟee⎆
τaʟκ 02:25, 20 November 2020 (UTC)reply
CommentI believe it is inaccurate. The flow is less for the viscous flow.Charlesjsharp (
talk) 20:21, 22 November 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Charlesjsharp: Hi! I believe you may have misunderstood the caption: the fluid with the higher viscosity, the orange fluid on the right, flows slower than the other. Viscosity is a continuum: the viscosity of water is (in terms of dynamic viscosity at NTP) on order of 10-3 Pa*s while the viscosity of corn syrup is on order of 100 Pa*s. (Going out further, the viscosity of most glasses are of order 1018+ Pa*s) So the animation is basically just an illustration of the difference in fluid flow for two liquids with viscosities differing by about four orders of magnitude. We can reword the caption if you believe it is confusing. Please let me know if you have any questions or if I have misinterpreted your comment. I hope this helps.
Footlessmouse (
talk) 07:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Fine if you specify the relative viscosity
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 12:02, 23 November 2020 (UTC) (CEng FIMechE)reply
Yes, but that's a stub article.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 18:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment – Nice restoration. The
first article is poorly sourced, the
second article isn't sourced at all. I would support if the second article was well sourced (and perhaps slightly in better shape). Perhaps a renomination.
Bammesk (
talk) 03:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reason
This CC0 render is high-resolution, attractive, and shows the form of the terrain better than the existing 2D maps and satellite photographs.
File:Everest-3D-Map-No-Type.jpg is a version without annotation, if preferred.
Support as nominator – cmɢʟee⎆
τaʟκ 01:50, 20 November 2020 (UTC)reply
I am leaning to support, but there is a license review tag on the file page. Also can the image be positioned and sized more prominently on the article page?
Bammesk (
talk) 04:58, 20 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Shouldn't be a problem, the author's page states: "Terms of use: The maps on this page are in the public domain. You may use them any way you like, including modifying the content, digital and print reproduction, and selling them for profit. Consider these maps as yours. --
Janke |
Talk 08:58, 20 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support. Note: Can an admin or reviewer confirm the above and remove the tag? --
Janke |
Talk 18:48, 21 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose hidden at the bottom of the article. 2D on my computer.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 20:15, 22 November 2020 (UTC)reply
;-) - but note that "3D" in the way used here is a normal way of describing a perspective view of a map... --
Janke |
Talk 11:23, 25 November 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Charlesjsharp: I gather that your opposition is due to the placement of the image in the article, and the caption used. If these are changed, will you support it? Is it better now? Thanks, cmɢʟee⎆
τaʟκ 22:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)reply
It's better now, but insufficient EV for me.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 11:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)reply
^Weak Oppose The image is fantastic, but the usage is terrible. It's not even used at a size that the labels can be read. On Commons, this would be a clear support, but here, where usage counts, I can't in good faith do so: This is so buried that it feels like a mere afterthought. Even in the section "Context and maps" it's an afterthought to a much larger satellite image. I can't imagine anyone clicking on it and seeing it large enough to appreciate the detail.
It's 347px wide in this nomination, and that's enough to look prety good. In article usage, though, it's 220px wide in the article, and shoved in next to a 600px image-mapped satellite image thumbnail, which is clearly the main focus of the secion. We can have more than one FP per article, but this is, at best, a Dwarf FP: Like a
dwarf planet, it doesn't count as a real FP because it does not dominate its region of space. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 01:53, 26 November 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Adam Cuerden: I didn't gather from
Wikipedia:Featured_picture_criteria that an image's prominence in the article is a factor and have thus made it more dominate the Context and maps section. Is that OK now? cmɢʟee⎆
τaʟκ 19:27, 26 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Well, the addition to
Timeline of Mount Everest expeditions helps, as does the Context and mapping section revisions. It's enough to at least move to weak oppose, leaning weak support, which I believe moves this into passing. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 11:13, 27 November 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Cmglee: As for the criterion in question, it's not spelled out as this is kind of an unusual situation, but Criterion 5 requires an FP "Adds significant encyclopedic value to an article and helps readers to understand an article." - if it's buried in a sea of images, too small to make out, and other images are more obviously being used for the purpose it's meant to, it's not really adding value, or helping readers understand it. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 7.7% of all
FPs 20:39, 27 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Agree, EV in current usage is not there. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 18:06, 26 November 2020 (UTC)reply
@
David Eppstein: I noted on
Wikipedia:Featured_picture_criteria "helps readers to understand an article". I can't speak for others but the 3D-ness does help me to understand the elevations and routes much better than a flat map or satellite photo. What needs to be done to increase it's EV? cmɢʟee⎆
τaʟκ 19:27, 26 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Support – I added it to two articles
[5],
[6]. It relates well to the descriptions given. Per Janke, copyright should be no problem. Pinging @
Adam Cuerden and
David Eppstein: in case they want to reassess.
Bammesk (
talk) 03:17, 27 November 2020 (UTC)reply