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Reason
It's a wonderful drawing. Admittedly, it's a stage of a poster we don't normally see, but I think that the actual art would probably have been degraded a bit as it went to poster, so this stage may well be the best option. Mainly stamp removal and scratch removal here.
Oppose - blown highlights are significantly distracting. I may support if the background was darkened, leaving the highlights at 215 or thereabouts.
MER-C 12:20, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Posted edit, but I oppose it.
JJ Harrison (
talk) 09:37, 25 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose edit - it had come out worse than I anticipated.
MER-C 20:03, 27 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose – per MER-C, I would support if the background issue is addressed.
Bammesk (
talk) 15:42, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose Edit – looks worse than the original. Original's blown highlights are too much.
Bammesk (
talk) 00:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)reply
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Reason
I first saw species in Thailand in 2011, then I didn't see it again until last year. But it took until march this year to get a good photo. This species has both a light and a dark morph. This illustrates the dark morph well.
Comment – I see posterization bands on upper right side of the image. Also wondering what that ghost-like background shadow is above the tail.
Bammesk (
talk) 15:55, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
(
Adam Cuerden) You're correct. I think I derped and post processed in 8 bit instead of 16. I did it again and uploaded over the top. I can't comment about the darker bit of background near the tail. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
JJ Harrison (
talk •
contribs)
JJ Harrison, somehow the region where sky meets ground got worse, I see bands from x,y=(0,1900) to (4200,1400), they are minute, but there were none in your first upload.
Bammesk (
talk) 01:17, 26 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support – very nice.
Bammesk (
talk) 00:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment Can you ping me when you answer Bammesk, please? Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 15:57, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Sorry, just waiting on Bammesk. I figure there's no harm in getting things right. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 14:58, 26 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator –
Yann (
talk) 15:06, 23 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Can you fix the very obvious blown pixels in the upper left sky? Checking the other copies of the image, the other flaws seem communal, but that's unique to this. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 11:33, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Please forgive my ignorance, but what does this image show that a modern photo doesn't?
MER-C 12:29, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
We don't have a recent picture of equivalent quality. As the
article was promoted as
GA with the same picture of much worse quality, it should be OK. Regards,
Yann (
talk) 12:52, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Strong Oppose What was originally a
Daguerrotype (an image formed on a silvered metal plate), has now been restored to something looking more like an
albumen print, thus misrepresenting the original. --
Janke |
Talk 08:49, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
As I understand it, daguerreotypes did not look like that originally - e.g. as faded and damaged, they just experience rather nasty degradation over time. In any case, it hasnt changed that substantially, other than crop, some contrast, and expansion outwards to remove the severely damaged tarnished area surrounding it. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 11:15, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Daguerrotypes were typically mounted in a glass frame, sometimes with a cover, as a little book. The restorations have removed this. The above mentioned oval restoration (with faded edges) re-inserted in the original frame would satisfy me, looking like a real Daguerrotype. --
Janke |
Talk 13:49, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
PD-Art only applies to two-dimensional works, the frames are 3D. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 13:51, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
We have
the picture with the frame under a free license, but without restoration. It comes from the Getty Museum via Google Art Project. Regards,
Yann (
talk) 13:55, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Hm. It's a point. I have a suspicion this one will be preferred in articles, though, where the focus is Poe, not historic photography. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 14:12, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Yes; that's what I think too. Your version is more useful for illustrating Wikipedia articles about Poe, while the picture with a frame might be more appreciated on Commons, as a work of art in itself. Regards,
Yann (
talk) 14:20, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment – @
Qono: when you introduce an alternate please say you did so in a comment, so the reviewers know the nominator isn't presenting two versions. Also, I think it is inappropriate to take a restoration, add more restoration to it (in this case, not in a significant time consuming way, in my opinion) and present it as an alternate while the original restorer(s) are active editors and could have done so (if they chose to) with a mere suggestion. Same for a photograph or a drawing if the creator is an active editor. Just my two cents.
Bammesk (
talk) 16:20, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Got it, I'll be sure to note introductions of alternatives in the future. I'm not sure why it's inappropriate to contribute an alternative. I'm used to the Wikipedia standard of "be bold", but if there are more local norms I'm violating here, please let me know. Thanks.
Qono (
talk) 16:50, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Well... you did fail to credit Yann or me, and changed the license from our release into the public domain to one requiring reusers credit you (but not us, since we weren't listed)... that's problematic. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 17:07, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
In article space, contributors get no credit (or exposure) when their work is used elsewhere (inside or outside wikipedia), so being bold and taking liberty is a nonissue. For visual content (including restorations) contributors get credited when their images are used (for example on the main page), see
the archives and notice the footnotes; therefore contributing to others' work and having one's name or username be listed alongside their name would be inappropriate IMO when/if such contributions are non-significant (in creativity or timewise) and when the original contributors are active editors and could do so (if they chose) with a mere suggestion.
Bammesk (
talk) 17:29, 24 March 2019 (UTC) . . . . fixed the archive link.reply
Well, also note that
[1] - the version of the file description Qono used - and this is probably a mistake, but a rather bad one - credits Qono as sole author and mentions neither Yann nor me anywhere on the page. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 18:19, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
I've proposed additional language to the main featured pictures candidates page to help clarify the process for newcomers who want to edit candidates. I propose we
continue this discussion there, for those who are interested. Feel free to remove my alternate here, if you would like,
Adam_Cuerden. Sorry for the trouble.
Qono (
talk) 02:29, 25 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support – EV, I think it fits the article without the frame as well as with the frame.
Bammesk (
talk) 02:33, 26 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support It's a slightly odd image, but I can't really den the quality. Would prefer a little more of the original yellow in the balance, but it doesn't actively hurt the image like it does for certain other ones (where the colours are used for effect or help contrast). Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 12:34, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
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Reason
Quite a nice example of fin de siecle fashion photography. Grainy - it's either a lithograph or a very, very high quality half-tone - but the original photo wouldn't have been in colour, so that's the compromise.
Support as nominator – Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 6.4% of all
FPs 09:17, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support –
Yann (
talk) 10:19, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support - is it just me, or is there a bit of moire in the original scan?
MER-C 20:38, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
I didn't notice any, but lithograph/high-quality halftone is kinda weird in its nature anyway. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 21:39, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Bammesk: Er, I'm pretty sure I didn't change the tones. At all. It does look like the source file on Commons may not have been the true original, though. I've fixed that. I'll have a poke at C as well, but I'm not sure about that light patch at the top. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 05:33, 26 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the fix and the restoration. I would support a delist and replace if C is nominated, but I don't think the article supports two FPs.
Bammesk (
talk) 00:26, 27 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Adam, about the light patch at the top, it has no material significance, I think it's Ok to modify it, and also Ok to leave it be.
Bammesk (
talk) 15:37, 30 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Could you mark it on the image notes at commons? Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 16:43, 30 March 2019 (UTC)reply
About the "light patch at the top", I was referring to what you said in
this edit, in other words the bright background at the very top of
this image (approximately the top 200 pixels).
Bammesk (
talk) 17:02, 30 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Supportive comment as article creator: I'd mention that the side view gives a good look at Roger-Miclos' hairstyle and the interesting shoulder detail of her gown. She was a model for at least one art medal (as mentioned in the article), so the profile was a characteristic pose for her. -
Penny Richards (
talk) 23:18, 2 April 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Penny Richards: are you placing a "Support" vote? If yes, please be specific and change your wording above to "Support" rather than "Supportive".
Bammesk (
talk) 00:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC) . . . Sidenote: FYI, everyone can vote on featured picture nominations, image creators, article creator, etc. Also, per instructions at the top of this page, nominations need a minimum of 5 votes, so your vote, or lack of, can change the outcome of this nomination.reply
(In the interests of openness, I did mention to Penny this existed, since she did make the article, when discussing the below FPC for Paulette del Baye, another article she made.) Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 01:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Promoted File:Marie-Aimée Roger-Miclos - Photograph A from the Album Reutlinger de portraits divers, vol. 21.jpg --
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 11:14, 3 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Self-portrait. Uploaded, stitched and restored by
Jebulon
Support as nominator French chemist, printer and photographer, inventor of the albumen print process. –
Yann (
talk) 11:15, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Knee looks a little odd at first, but the bright bits follow the texture of the fabric, and are almost certainly original. Everything else I'd pass without pause. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 11:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support - Excellent EV.
Mattximus (
talk) 19:14, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator The quality is not extraordinary, but this is largely compensated by the historical value. –
Yann (
talk) 18:30, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
There's a couple of areas that could do with a little more cleanup - a streak on the RHS at about y=700 and that stuff in the top left appears to be a smudge and not smoke. By the way, may I interest you in
File:San Francisco Fire Sacramento Street 1906-04-18.jpg?
MER-C 20:36, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
@
MER-C: Done. I see there is a history here... One thing at a time...
Yann (
talk) 23:46, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment Not entirely happy with the sky. It looks kind of overblown, in a very dirty way. Though it doesnt' look as bad from some angles on my LCD screen Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 23:32, 25 March 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Adam Cuerden: What do you suggest? As I said above, the quality is a bit below other candidates, but I think this is compensated by the historical value. Regards,
Yann (
talk) 23:37, 25 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Dodge/burn tool? Might also want to crop some sky: The buidings aren't bad at all. I think cropping a little above the two smoke plumes would get rid of a lot of ugly damaged sky with a net improvement to composition. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 23:56, 25 March 2019 (UTC)reply
I am fine with a crop. Should I overload the image? What do others think? Regards,
Yann (
talk) 11:17, 26 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Up to you. Feel free to remove my mockup when it's no longer helpful. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 11:47, 26 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Almost perfect now. I've added a couple image notes on a last couple things, but I'm sure you'll get them. Support Seriously, skies are the worst. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 13:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)reply
I've noted one more thing I noted while reviewing. I'm sorry for all the trouble. I think my monitor has fairly good detail in the upper range. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 14:54, 26 March 2019 (UTC)reply
OK, done.
Yann (
talk) 16:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support – Good historical EV.
Sca (
talk) 15:41, 26 March 2019 (UTC)reply
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Reason
Nice photo of this interesting, difficult to reach and underappreciated (as far as Wikipedia is concerned) place. Fairly recent unanimous FP on Commons.
Support as nominator –
MER-C 20:24, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment - Could use a bit of photoshopping; slight gamma correction to brighten it a bit (note: not exposure correction, that might blow the highlights in the cone), plus removal of the dark vignetting in the corners/edges. --
Janke |
Talk 20:49, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support - looks a lot better now! --
Janke |
Talk 20:50, 27 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support – EV, and agree with suggestions above. I yield to photographer's edits.
Bammesk (
talk) 01:43, 26 March 2019 (UTC)reply
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Reason
Large-scale view of one of the nearest
stellar nurseries. 1) The image meets a high technical standard because it was taken by a NASA telescope and produced by professionals at JPL, and therefore represents the best possible image of this nebula. 2) This is the full-size JPEG image and represents the highest resolution of the Spitzer Space Telescope. 3) The W40 region is astronomically important because it is one of the nearest sites of
massive star formation in our galaxy, and the infrared image by Spitzer makes the nebula look spectacular. 4) It was released by NASA, so it is free. 5) I have used this image to illustrate the article
Westerhout 40. 6) The information can be verified by the description in the JPL image release
[2]. 7) The image's description on the Wikimedia Commons page is complete and correct.
Support as nominator –
OtterAM (
talk) 23:03, 27 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support - Strikingly beautiful image. --
Janke |
Talk 08:29, 28 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support. Note: I re-exported the image from the TIFF at the source with a higher quality setting.
MER-C 21:11, 28 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment – leaning to support but there are a few streaks that can be photoshopped and removed, at x,y=(1965,1030), (1610,2330), (1675,2330), (1870,2330), (2625,1560). They are faintly visible at full size (100%) and easy to see at 200%.
Bammesk (
talk) 01:20, 29 March 2019 (UTC)reply
I believe the lines you noticed are an effect called "muxbleed" which affects data from infrared detectors at cryogenic temperatures. Although these can be partially corrected in the data
[3], they remain faintly visible in the images. I don't own photoshop (or have experience using it), but if someone else wants to see if they can photoshop these out, they are welcome to try.
OtterAM (
talk) 03:19, 29 March 2019 (UTC)reply
I meant photoshop in a generic sense. Free programs such as
GIMP are available on the web and can be used for touchups. If no one does the touchup, I will do it in a day or two.
Bammesk (
talk) 03:41, 29 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the info about GIMP, I'll try to teach myself. In the meantime, if you'd like to do the touch-ups you mentioned, that would be great!
OtterAM (
talk) 05:58, 30 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment - Main subject is only a small fraction of the image area. --
Janke |
Talk 13:51, 28 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment – I am undecided, the nom image has very good EV, it shows an
assassin bug with a prey. I would support the
infobox image in article
Rhynocoris iracundus, if it was cropped with a few more pixels to meet 1500px. It has more detail.
Bammesk (
talk) 01:08, 29 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support both, prefer Alt – but Alt definitely needs a re-crop to meet 1500px, and perhaps denoising of the bokeh... done.
Bammesk (
talk) 13:35, 30 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Conditional support either, prefer original. First image should be cropped, the second needs a slightly wider crop to meet the resolution criteria.
MER-C 13:41, 30 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Crop of original would probably invalidate FP on Commons. New larger, denoised version of alt. uploaded.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 12:00, 31 March 2019 (UTC)reply
How about uploading the former as a separate file?
MER-C 17:45, 31 March 2019 (UTC)reply
I don't see any reason why you can't upload the crop with a different filename. We edit FPCs all the time. The only catch is that the Commons FP might replace the en.wp FP in the article some time in the future.
MER-C 18:37, 31 March 2019 (UTC)reply
I'd withdraw this if I knew how to!
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 12:00, 2 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Transcluding nomination.
MER-C 13:22, 30 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose - noisy, slightly tilted, slightly overexposed and pano exposure differs between frames. There's also something not quite right with the vegetation on the LHS - it seems overprocessed. That said, if you can return to the original RAWs you should be able to correct at least some of these problems and the result might very well meet FP standards.
MER-C 13:32, 30 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Agree with the above. Too much sharpening has accentuated the noise, and caused some haloing, too. --
Janke |
Talk 14:52, 30 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Nice, high EV. --
Yann (
talk) 15:02, 2 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Question Is this also a flash shot? There are some strange striations in the wings (looks like scales are missing in places), is that flash reflection, or possibly damage to the specimen? --
Janke |
Talk 15:20, 2 April 2019 (UTC)reply
EXIF says flash was used.
MER-C 18:25, 2 April 2019 (UTC)reply
It does, but I remember the sunny day and cannot imagine why I would have used flash! The shadow is sun, not flash as I didn't use off-camera flash then. If the on-cmaera fash had fired, there would be two shadows. Some scales are missing, you can see a number of scratch marks across the wings.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 11:44, 3 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support. I don't love the greyscale, but it's a very good portrait, and has very high EV. Not often we have a free photo from the '80s!
Josh Milburn (
talk) 20:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator – Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 6.5% of all
FPs 05:48, 4 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support --
Yann (
talk) 09:53, 4 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment white marks beside her right ear?
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 13:02, 4 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I thought that might be a feather, but in light of morning, it's not. A moment. Adam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 6.5% of all
FPs 14:47, 4 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator –
JJ Harrison (
talk) 00:u18, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Support Focus not quite as good as the other, but still very good. Is that a typo in the filename? The "." before "Dharug"? Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 00:34, 5 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Yeah. I've never been successful in getting a right to move files on Commons to fix this kind of thing myself though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
JJ Harrison (
talk) 00:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)reply
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Reason
Pretty good for the time, and, while not perfect, certainly pretty decent. Wouldn't object to pushing this more towards greyscale, but I'd rather not have it go all the way there.
Support as nominator –
MER-C 17:40, 6 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose at least for now due to muddy, uneven exposure, strange stair-stepping - some judicious editing is needed! --
Janke |
Talk 18:37, 6 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I doubt it's because of uneven exposure or effects other than the actual print. Looking at the unprinted borders, it rules out any mistakes in lighting, stair-stepping, etc. I think it can very well be a combination of the age of the map, 400 years, and the printing process
Woodcuting. Also, unlikely that the library of congress would publish such a high resolution large file and let such a poor lighting go. This being a historic document, I think its best not to edit. I support editing if it retains the historic character of the prints.
Bammesk (
talk) 19:23, 6 April 2019 (UTC) . . . revised earlier objection to editing. There is s symmetry to the fading/aging of the 6 sheets.
Bammesk (
talk) 03:04, 9 April 2019 (UTC)reply
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Reason
High quality large image. FP on Commons. Although images of the imago take the top right main box, the real interest of this species is the caterpillar nest.
Support Very nice! Great EV.
Mattximus (
talk) 22:49, 9 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support – so many votes on commons!
Bammesk (
talk) 02:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment: The background can be blurred a bit to put more focus on the bird. A radial blur/motion blur would be most ideal.
180.151.77.214 (
talk) 18:55, 10 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm sure it could be, but I don't falsify backgrounds.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 21:01, 10 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support, though I'd consider doing a slight crop. It feels like there's a little too much space above the bird. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 00:37, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment: I'm a great believer in the rule of thirds - in this case for the eye of the bird.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 18:58, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
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Reason
I'm trying to bulk up some historic material about British regiments. This is a fairly widely-known image; subject of a stamp issue back in... 2004 or so?
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Reason
Fun fact: My father worked on the camera that took this image. It's not the highest resolution, but it's pretty near to one pixel per foot, so it's pretty good.
File:Asteroid-Bennu-OSIRIS-RExArrival-GifAnimation-20181203.gif is probably the second-best image for it.
Support - doesn't strictly meet the letter of the resolution criterion but 0.3m/pixel is damn good in terms of detail when it comes to space exploration.
MER-C 16:59, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support – per MER-C, unlikely there is version with higher than 0.3m/pixel resolution.
Bammesk (
talk) 15:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment I would add some black space on the edges. Regards,
Yann (
talk) 09:34, 14 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I agree with Yann, just a little breathing room.
Mattximus (
talk) 22:28, 14 April 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Mattximus: If there were stars or the like behind it it wouldn't show. In any case, there's some variance in the black, so this would be easier in Photoshop, which has some smart background tools. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 00:47, 15 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I don't think the stars would be visible with this exposure. Regards,
Yann (
talk) 08:58, 15 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Conditional support - providing a bit of black space is added to the edges. --
Janke |
Talk 08:51, 16 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator –
MER-C 19:02, 10 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support any.
MER-C 09:12, 13 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support either –
Bammesk (
talk) 03:10, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
There are several problems with this image: it's a bit too loosely cropped; blown highligts; focus is quite a bit off; it appears to be oversaturated... Support cropped only , of course! --
Janke |
Talk 06:48, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Yes, technically dreadful. I think the photographer should have got a bit closer - and used a tripod.Charlesjsharp (
talk) 08:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Here's a nice explanation of why the picture looks like it does:
[6] --
Janke |
Talk 12:37, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose subject is too dark.Support eitherAdam Cuerden(
talk)Has about 6.5% of all
FPs 00:32, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
SupportSupport uncropped --
Wow (
talk) 01:13, 12 April 2019 (UTC); edited 09:28, 13 April 2019 (UTC)reply
There is a non-cropped version of this image:
File:Black hole - Messier 87.jpg that may be used instead of the nominated image. When this is over, could we check which one is stable and promote that?
MER-C 20:40, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Yes,
MER-C,if the uncropped is the original we must promote it, not this one. See current nomination on Commons.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 08:40, 13 April 2019 (UTC)reply
For Commons, I rather like to promote the original version. However, for Wikipedia. the cropped version may be better. Regards,
Yann (
talk) 09:25, 13 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I agree, my support is for the cropped one, there's little EV in the black outside the hole... --
Janke |
Talk 10:37, 13 April 2019 (UTC)reply
And in that vein, could the shadows perhaps be lifted slightly inside the event horizon? They seem a little clipped
.
Daniel Case (
talk) 15:32, 13 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I think both images are cropped, it's just a matter of who did the cropping and which you like better.
OtterAM (
talk) 23:25, 17 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support --
Yann (
talk) 08:25, 13 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support I came to this page to see whether this image had been proposed, and was happy to find it here. This is the best possible image of a black hole for the foreseeable future given that it essentially required a telescope the diameter of the Earth.
OtterAM (
talk) 22:40, 15 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment There is one possible problem with the image, which is that the color scheme is slightly misleading. In this representation the colors represent intensity of light, not actual color. However, this is the choice that the team used, so we should probably stick with it. :)
OtterAM (
talk) 22:40, 15 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I will say that I support the cropped version, although I won't object if the uncropped version is favored.
Daniel Case (
talk) 13:55, 17 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Idem. --
Yann (
talk) 15:09, 17 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Cropped. (But either is fine.)
OtterAM (
talk) 23:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)reply
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Reason
A higher resolution version of a historic photo with EV because it does not hide the fact that a small part of Aldrin's backpack was cut off in the original photo by Armstong (
File:AS11-40-5903 - Buzz Aldrin by Neil Armstrong (full frame).jpg). The black frame around the image is retained for both compositional concerns as well as for encyclopedic value because it clearly shows, when zoomed in, that the image ends incidentally excluding the small antenna at the top of Aldrin's suit. Another version of this photo without the black frame (and I believe different coloration) can be found at
File:Aldrin Apollo 11 original.jpg.
Support as nominator – ---
Coffeeand
crumbs 22:32, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose Stick with NASA version. This version isn't on Buzz Aldrin page. And you shouldn't crop other people's photos.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 22:59, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
What's wrong is that when someone uploads a photo, that's how they want it. It's not right for anyone else to crop it. People may crop Wikipedia images under a free licence to use outside of Wikipedia.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 08:20, 21 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Tdadamemd, who uploaded the "full frame" version I cropped, has been indeffed. I can't ask them to crop it themselves. Who is this "other people"? Would you prefer that I download
TIFF again and create my own upload. I can do that. All of these images are in PD.---
Coffeeand
crumbs 00:02, 21 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I would be glad to consider any edit requests ...although that appears to be moot here now.
As for being "indeffed", it is impossible to block a person from a website that is open to the public. At most, a person's account can be indeffed. And for anyone who looks into my own personal case, you will see that there was absolutely no grounds for the action taken. The charge was sockpuppetry, and that is something that I have never done on any website ever in my entire life. Wikipedia specifies
legitimate reasons for having multiple accounts, and my usage fit under these categories. There is actually another user in the discussion on this picture candidate page who also has multiple accounts. It's not a big deal, and certainly not grounds for blocking anyone's account, when used properly, as I have consistently done.
I flew to San Francisco and visited the Wikimedia Office to seek resolution. I was very disappointed to find that they had no interest in correcting the way that certain admins wield their authority, let alone fixing the system that enables them to do so in the manner that was done with me.
When any admin takes the severe action of blocking anyone's acct (let alone indef), they should be required to site the specific evidence which substantiates the infraction. You know, quite similar to how editors are tasked with backing up key facts with solid references. But admins are not required to do so. They freewheel with their authority, and the central office does not care, so Wikipedia is what it is. We have a site where the inventor himself vacated the premises because the day-to-day operations are so broken. --
Tdadamemd (
talk) 02:24, 24 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment - I'm not 100% behind this nomination, as promotion will leave us with two FPs that are substantially identical and am not convinced the other will be delisted. The difference between the two images has EV and I can comprehend this nom being a retrospective set, but this difference must be made clear otherwise we will end up with a situation where usages are split somewhat arbitrarily between the two images.
MER-C 13:44, 21 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I missed that, so have to withdraw support.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 15:14, 21 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment – the tail is too fuzzy, out of focus.
Bammesk (
talk) 03:58, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment Background seems over-processed. Has it been blurred?
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 09:17, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
No. I'm not sure what you're on about.
JJ Harrison (
talk) 09:58, 23 April 2019 (UTC)reply
You take great photos. You are probably using techniques in the field I've not learnt yet, but there seems to be a (strange-to-me) transition in the background from in-focus to completely blurred. I'm not trying to be difficult (so don't feel obliged to oppose my image in revenge). I just want to understand the photography techniques or post-processing techniques you have used.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 19:40, 23 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose I love the competition, but between the tail being fuzzy and the rest of the depth of field being so ridiculously shallow, I have to oppose this per
FPC 1,3, and possibly 8 (per the comment above mine). Cat-fivetc ---- 06:22, 23 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support I don't particularly like the blurred foreground - cropping it higher would remove a lot of ugly mush from the bottom sixth or so of the image - but the bird itself is quite good. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 01:04, 26 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Well I can't achieve what you've done in camera. I wish I could. I'd love to see the out-of camera file.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 19:45, 23 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Lighting's a little odd, but the composition makes up for it in spades. That is an amazing image, one of my favourites of yours. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 14:52, 18 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Nice and sharp. Probably allows a little space for a second FP that shows more of the tail and spread wings, but it shows the front details very, very clearly. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 14:54, 18 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator – Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 14:50, 18 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment Mawkish cartoons like this circulate on social media after every tragedy. While this is a very good example of the genre, it might be beneficial to wait to see if it has longer-term significance.
Nick-D (
talk) 23:34, 18 April 2019 (UTC)reply
As a prominent example of the creator's work, though? Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 23:54, 18 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Is it illustrative of what his work usually comprises?
Nick-D (
talk) 22:14, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment. This cartoon doesn't feature on the atrocity page, so cannot aspire to be featured.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 09:56, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Charlesjsharp: We regularly feature examples of artists' work, though. Would this pass as an example of Shaun Yeo's work? Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 15:29, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I don't think so on notability concerns. The article was only created last month.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 16:11, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose – Sorry but it just doesn't strike me as a great example (criterion No. 3) aesthetically or as an editorial cartoon. (And is it really public domain?) –
Sca (
talk) 13:21, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Sca: There's a Signpost report about its release, which is where I found it. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 18:37, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment – there is
posterization bands in the male photo (right side of sky).
Bammesk (
talk) 03:01, 16 April 2019 (UTC)reply
The background has been blurred in that area, hence the posterization. Adding a bit of noise (no more than elsewhere in the background) would have gotten rid of that. --
Janke |
Talk 08:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Excellent photos, with strong EV. I'd note that these are very small and fast-moving parrots who are quite wary of humans (even the ones who live in suburbia scatter if anyone comes near them), so taking these photos would have been technically very challenging.
Nick-D (
talk) 23:37, 18 April 2019 (UTC)reply
"technically very challenging"
Nick-D? With a 840 mm lens?
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 12:41, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I haven't used a lens of that size personally, but these are small nervy birds who blend in with their surrounds remarkably well, so yeah I think so.
Nick-D (
talk) 22:12, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support The resolutions vary a bit, but I'm not going to quibble about that. Both are strong images. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 17:18, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support --
Yann (
talk) 20:04, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Promoted File:Psephotus haematonotus male - Cornwallis Rd.jpg and File:Psephotus haematonotus female - Cornwallis Rd.jpg --
feminist (
talk) 03:01, 29 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support - Merci,
MER-C. As I noted on Commons, there are some technical shortcomings, but I'm satisfied with the composition in general and the EV is quite high, I think. I would've figured it a better fit for enwiki FPC than Commons, frankly, but my sense of how other people see the difference isn't always on point. :) — Rhododendritestalk \\ 14:02, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Excellent. Some flaws, as you say, but only at full resolution - and it's a pretty decent-sized photo. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 17:10, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support --
Yann (
talk) 20:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Always willing to support picture of interesting birds. Cat-fivetc ---- 06:13, 23 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm not opposing, but I've had images rejected because the articles are stubs. The issue is also at VI. I don't know what the answer is. Some of my animals are pretty obscure!
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 18:25, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I think I can kind of see the stub thing, if the information is sparse enough that an upmerge to the genus might be appropriate (or there's doubts about
WP:GNG, but otherwise, no, being valuable to at least one article should be sufficient. At least, that's what was always the rule two years ago. Anything else discourages article creation and variety of subjects covered. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 19:46, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment Agree she's a vaid subject, but can you remove the BNF stamp from the bottom? It's a distraction. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 15:09, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Adam Cuerden: It took me a while to find how to do it properly, but done. --
Yann (
talk) 14:31, 21 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support as nominator –
Yann (
talk) 13:27, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
CommentThere's a weird line that looks kind of like film damage on the bottom, across her shirt. It's a stitch. SupportAdam Cuerden(
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FPs 16:51, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Question What are our rules on personality rights? For adults and for children? FP needs free licence, but this one says it's not in the public domain. It that OK? The background isn't well chosen, neither is the crop.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 18:21, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
CC-by-SA is considered a sufficiently free licence, isn't it? Not 100% sure about SA. I know there was an issue with dual-licensing GDFL and CC-by-NC, but SA is a lot less restrictive than that. Adam Cuerden(
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FPs 18:53, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
For the personality rights, I don't think we need anything else than the current template. The background is the wall of her house, so I can't do anything about it. The crop is chosen to have lead space in the direction she's looking, and use the rule of third. That's how portraits are usually done. Regards,
Yann (
talk) 05:48, 21 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I wasn't meaning the wall, but the fabric behind her. And actually portraits, unsurprisingly, are usually portrait orientation, not landscape, but of course it's an artistic choice.
Charlesjsharp (
talk) 08:25, 21 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Actually, no. Portraits by professional photographers are usually in landscape format. See good examples in
c:Category:Wikimedia Foundation staff. Regards,
Yann (
talk) 12:23, 21 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Do you still have the RAW for this? It might be possible to fix the unsharp beard, perhaps as simple as a re-export to JPEG (as mentioned in the previous nom).
MER-C 13:49, 21 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support The beard could be better, but overall a good image. Cat-fivetc ---- 06:13, 23 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose Not Wikipedia's finest work. The white balance is off. The lighting is flat and the background is busy.
JJ Harrison (
talk) 10:09, 23 April 2019 (UTC)reply