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Ongoing: War in Sudan (2023–present)

Nominator's comments: I am proposing this as an alternative to the nomination below. Also add timeline parameter per Godel2000.  Lukt64 ( talk) 17:39, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support though we can't just list the main article, as it doesn't have enough updates. Instead, we should do what we did for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and list the timeline (which has daily updates), looking something like: War in Sudan ( timeline). Gödel2200 ( talk) 17:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Support timeline being added Lukt64 ( talk) 17:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Support timeline being added since the updates are daily and include frequent events from March 25, 26, 27, and 28 most recently Fileyfood500 ( talk) 18:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support Near daily updates to the article, and recent events added to the timeline from February and March 2024 Fileyfood500 ( talk) 17:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support per Fileyfood500 Staraction ( talk | contribs) 18:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support per above, and list the timeline alongside. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 19:05, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support per Godel2200 (include timeline) Flip ^and Flopped ツ 20:04, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support per above. Almost daily, huge sections are updated. The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Support idk why the ever took it down it’s still massive Ion.want.uu ( talk) 03:05, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Support per above, and include timeline. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 09:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• There are no dates in the article beyond March 21. It only takes 50 edits to go back to March 14. The article must be updated with current events? Step hen 11:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Can't we do what we did with the Russian invasion of Ukraine? The Russian invasion of Ukraine article does not list many dates in March 2024, but that is fine as the Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 December 2023 – present) has daily updates. The situation is the same with the War in Sudan (2023-present) article, with the timeline getting near daily updates. Gödel2200 ( talk) 12:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

For the last weeks that just seems to be a minor skirmish ticker, no significant events. Step hen 21:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Some major events from the last few weeks include: RSF claiming capture of El Madina Arab (March 5), SLM-MM announcing it would fight the RSF/joining the conflict (March 24), SAF claiming capture of the Doha neighborhood in the city of Ondurman (March 26). Other days consist of airstrikes, vehicles destroyed, bridges being captured. Fileyfood500 ( talk) 03:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Exactly, a lot of claims and very minor back and forth of low level conflict. Step hen 04:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

In this light, I am unclear about what makes the other 4 conflicts shown more significant. I reviewed the timeline from March for the Russia-Ukraine war, and found 3 instances where a village was reported to be captured. I otherwise found many reports of airstrikes and drones being shot down, and reports of single digit casualties. There is no doubt, there are significantly more policy updates and financial announcements, and the arms being used/destroyed are more expensive, however, it's not clear to me that the wealth of the combatants should set the distinction here. Fileyfood500 ( talk) 04:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose - ITN isn’t an armed conflicts ticker. 2A00:23C8:B00:AD01:106:C016:D59A:AA77 ( talk) 14:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Yes, but the only major things ongoing are armed conflicts. Lukt64 ( talk) 15:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Still doesn't make it a criteria. Ongoing is for when there is a continuous stream of blurb-worthy items; To me if we post this we might as well put up every other armed conflict. PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 08:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Support This is a whole civil war going on in the 15th largest country by area on the planet, so there's not much reason it shouldn't be up in the current event section. Asjhsz ( talk) 02:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Support per above. A very active conflict going on right now in one of the biggest countries in the world. TomMasterReal ^TALK 03:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Support, detailed entry, copiously sourced. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 08:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Support Up-to-date article receiving regular updates and still very much in the news. Looks like WP:SNOW support here.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Clarifying that I specifically support the timeline proposal mentioned above by Gödel2200. Timeline of the War in Sudan (2023–present) is being updated much more frequently than the War in Sudan (2023–present) article.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:15, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• There has been no content added since the article was nominated 5 days ago. This is not sufficient for ongoing. Step hen 10:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  Checked the timeline, and there are 3 updates since 5 days ago. Updates from April 1, April 2, and April 3. Fileyfood500 ( talk) 12:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  Those are edits, but not updates. Updates bring readers new information. Edits like these three (and my nine) just change the way they/we see it. InedibleHulk ( talk) 15:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  The updates to the timeline I see are:

  April 1: First batch of food arrived from the World Food Program

  April 2: Twelve people were killed and 30 injured in a drone attack in Atbara

  April 3: The SAF launched airstrikes on the RSF 16th Infantry division

  April 3 2nd update: Sudanese prosecutors file capital offense charges against the state

  @ InedibleHulk, these updates are in the timeline. Godel2000 pointed out that the timeline is where near daily conflict updates are reported, so the proposal under discussion is to have the timeline in parenthesis Fileyfood500 ( talk) 01:35, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  The main article needs updates too, as that timeline is literally a ticker of relatively minor events. Step hen 02:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  Can you clarify what the distinction is between the events listed in the Russia-Ukraine timeline and this timeline that makes these events minor and the Russia-Ukraine events major? Both timelines show smaller battles, airstrikes, and dozens of casualties, and shifting battle lines around a handful of villages over the course of the last month. The technologies used in the conflicts are different (drones used heavily in Ukraine).

  From what I see, both events are quite major. I know you've provided a lot of qualifiers, saying the events are minor, not significant, low level, can you be more specific in your arguments? I've provided examples of different events, and am unclear on the basis of your reasoning. Fileyfood500 ( talk) 05:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose ongoing Per Stephen, limited updates for significant continuing events. Spencer ^{T• C} 03:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) Ongoing: Masalit massacres

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(Posted) RD: Bill Delahunt

Former House of Representatives, from 1997 to 2011. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 16:45, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - Well cited and notable. Article is in good shape too. The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support: An expansive, well-cited article that does not appear to be biased by any means. However I would like to note that every Wikipedia biographical article is considered notable enough for RD; nominations are based on quality and quantity of articles instead. Jmanlucas ( talk) 21:02, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• I do not post bios with unreferenced date of birth. Schwede 66 02:23, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  Schwede66, I think that's an odd line to draw (is his DOB really controversial enough to need a citation?), but here you go –  Muboshgu ( talk) 02:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• WP:DOB applies and whilst that is part of the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy, I assume that you are aware the BLP rules apply to people who recently died. Schwede 66 02:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted – Schwede 66 02:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Chance Perdomo

British actor. Jaguarnik ( talk) 23:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - Article in good shape and notable too. The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:05, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Filmography needs sources as does his BAFTA nomination. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 15:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  His BAFTA nomination is cited, and the filmography is completely cited in the career section. Jaguarnik ( talk) 19:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• The article uses the term " accident", which is a loaded term. The first sentence of that article reads as such: An accident is an unintended, normally unwanted event that was not directly caused by humans. That is, by using the term, the article says that the traffic collision wasn't Perdomo's fault. This violates NPOV and needs editing before posting can be considered. Schwede 66 02:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  The word "accident" is not there anymore. Time for a re-review, please? -- PFHLai ( talk) 13:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 21:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 01:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) Ongoing removal : Red Sea crisis

(Posted) RD: Les Twentyman

Australian youth worker and community activist. The article could do with some work and more sourcing. HiLo48 ( talk) 06:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose on multiple uncited paragraphs, but that could change. Bremps ... 11:39, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose for now. Notable, but like Bremps said, uncited sections present. Feel free to ping me if that's resolved. The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:10, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support looks good now. The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 14:56, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• Ready Some excellent work has been done to update and properly source this article. I believe it is ready to post. HiLo48 ( talk) 06:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support, all unsourced issues done and finished! I did expand the lead a bit as well. Pinging Bremps and The Herald for the update! :) ~ Tails Wx ( 🐾, me!) 14:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted to RD. Spencer ^{T• C} 09:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Hans Joachim Meyer

The last Minister of Culture of East Germany, and then for years Minister of Culture in Saxony in a unified Germany, and president of the Central Committee of German Catholics, originally a linguist teaching in Berlin. The article was mostly there, - I trimmed a bit: too much about general political development. Most of the many sources were still working. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article looks fine. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 08:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support It looks like this is generally good enough to post. However, I’d note that it seems like the admins want to have the date of birth referenced in the article before they post an article to RD. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 08:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  That information was already in the sources but wasn't mentioned in the prose for some reason. I've added it so it's referenced now. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 09:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• Marked as "Ready". Flibirigit ( talk) 00:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 01:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Emilio Lora-Tamayo

Spanish physicist and president of the Spanish National Research Council. gobonobo ^{+ c} 19:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Doesn't appear to have any problems. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 08:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support can be posted Flip ^and Flopped ツ 15:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 01:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Louis Gossett Jr.

7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 13:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose orange refimprove tag in article. Support article looks ready now! Staraction ( talk | contribs) 14:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Not Ready for the usual reason. Also the wrong article is linked. It should be Louis Gossett Jr.. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 14:33, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Just fixed the link to the wikibio. -- PFHLai ( talk) 14:40, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I've added references for everything that had a CN tag, if anyone doesn't mind taking a look. Estreyeria ( talk) 20:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Looks good enough now to me - Jayson ( talk) 00:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Weak oppose entire lead section is unreferenced. (Feel free to ping me when this is rectified) Aydoh8 ( talk | contribs) 01:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC) Support looks good. Aydoh8 ( talk | contribs) 04:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Aydoh8 Lead section doesn't necessarily need citations; see MOS:CITELEAD Staraction ( talk | contribs) 04:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oh ok. Aydoh8 ( talk | contribs) 04:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support-Article looks good now. The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Meanwhile, 867,628 pageviews 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 11:27, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

ITN is not here to consider page views. We are here to present topics with quality articles that are in the news. Masem ( t) 16:13, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• I was about to post but there are several items in the accolades section that are still unreferenced. -- Tone 12:33, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I spent a lot of time trying to address your concern. awardsandwinnder.com had most of the listings. Unfortunately, my prolonged effortst got thwarted twice. By an "edit conflict" and my retry ended badly, too because that is a blacklisted website. I give up.

We could simply get rid of that section, if that would help. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 14:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

If someone had access to these books (I don't) I'm guessing the problem is easily solved.

• Gossett, Louis, Jr.; Karas, Phyllis (2010). An Actor and a Gentleman. ISBN  9780470620946.{{ cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list ( link)
• Murphy, Douglas (2014). Louis Gossett, Jr.: 133 Success Facts - Everything You Need to Know about Louis Gossett, Jr. Emereo Pty Limited. ISBN  9781488561672. ISBN 1488561672.

7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 14:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Or we could delete the section from this article, and move it to Louis Gossett Jr. on screen and stage. Problem solved. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 16:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

That's sweeping the problem under the rug. The filmography page was already separated off well before this no, but we should never move awards off the page just because they can't be sourced. Masem ( t) 16:11, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Or you just selectively remove awards that cannot be sourced. If they cannot be sourced, notability of those awards may be so-so. Tone 16:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Some of the unsourced awards do look barely notable, but things like the Daytime Emmys or the NAACP Image Awards are clearly notable awards that should not be removed for this reason. Masem ( t) 16:33, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• I've removed the obviously non-notable awards, and one which appears to be wrong, but the NAACP Awards are a struggle - I've sourced one so far... even his 1998 win is beyond me at the moment, not helped by the fact the website doesn't appear to have any history pages. Black Kite (talk) 17:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

There already is a source cited that documents the NAACP gave him awards. Doesn't go into much detail, but it is already there. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 13:19, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• Awards moved Seems the awards previously in his bio were split to form List of awards and nominations received by Louis Gossett Jr.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• Sigh. We really shouldn't be creating a pointless extra article purely to get an article onto RD, I really wish people would stop doing it. Black Kite (talk) 10:33, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The awards article is not "pointless" and is now cited. The biography article Louis Gossett Jr. is now completely updated and ready to go. But the ball is in your court. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 11:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

It 100% should be merged back into the main article, especially given there was no discussion prior to it being split. DarkSide830 ( talk) 00:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

"there was no discussion" goes against WP:BEBOLD, but one is free to merge it back if they have specific reasons.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I certainly would move it back if it was completely sourced, but it isn't. It's still missing sources for the Daytime Emmies, most of the NAACP awards, and some CableACE awards (are they notable?). Black Kite (talk) 09:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I'm down to two NAACP nominations. There's plenty of sources out there, but none of them are reliable. Black Kite (talk) 10:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I haven't seen 7&6 provide a reason for doing so. The article is not so long, nor the section itself, to justify splitting. DarkSide830 ( talk) 17:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Support no maintenace tags on the article. TheGreatestLuvofAll ( talk) 13:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

There was a cn tag in the section "1998–2024: Later works" and I've just added two more. I'm going to have another look at sourcing that awards article. Black Kite (talk) 09:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Added one citation for "he provided the voice of Lucius Fox in The Batman animated series. [Lucius Fox in The Batman animated series" and removed the cn template. Deleted the "In 2008, he filmed the "Keep It Real" series of commercials for the Namibian lager Windhoek." which still would need a citation. All of the on line sources for that are wiki and fandom websites. I don't think it can be sourced from a WP:RS. So I think that it is unimportant, and deleted the unourced material. I think that was all the CN templates in the article. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 11:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I was able to find a citation for the beer commercial, and put it back. In 2008, he filmed the "Keep It Real" series of commercials for the Namibian lager Windhoek. ^[1] 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 12:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)thi reply

I did go to the three separate wikipedia articles on NAACP image awards. I took citations right out of those articles. Two of them have citations that are now on the blacklist. The third was not.

• ref name="Image1"https://awardsandwinners.com/category/naacp-image-award/1998/|title=1998 Image Award Winners|website=Awards and Winners|access-date=August 2, 2016
• ref name="Image 2"https://awardsandwinners.com/category/naacp-image-award/2005/|title=2005 Image Award Winners|website=Awards and Winners|access-date=August 2, 2016}}
• ref name=”Image 3"Couch, Aaron (February 1, 2013). "2013 Image Winners". The Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved August 2, 2016.
  

The third one worked. the first two did not, and you have to either go to the award wikipedia articles, or put in "https://" in front of the links. I could not save them otherwise.

I have tried diligently to find reliable sources. I know the complaints about IMDB. And I've also been through the Awards and Winners blacklist recently on another article. Holding up the main article because we are on a mission impossible for the awards article seem harsh to me. The awards article is now split off. We have a well plead article with 142 sources. Lots of effort went into this, and one ought not to punish Lou Gossett and his interested readers for the penurious reportage of these particular awards. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 19:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

In the past, the community has often expected material split after the death announcement to still be sourced, to avoid gaming the system merely to expedite posting. What we generally don't want is verifiable content that is useful to readers to be quickly deleted to get a Main Page posting. In this case though, it seems much of the unsourced material was actually added after the death (see my comment below), so there might have been more leeway to delete that unsourced contested material, if it was identified as such at the time. — Bagumba ( talk) 06:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Also, the RD process should not be construed as a "award" for the individual posted nor as a punishment for those not. It's as much an incentive for editors to colloaborate on a recent news topic and improve the page's quality. — Bagumba ( talk) 06:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• almost there - I actually like the awards split off. I see two citation tags, and believe that awards mentioned in the lead need some citation in this article. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Awards additions It seems the list was smaller but fully sourced until this edit at 18:49, 29 March 2024 by SibTower1987. At any rate, it seems to be mostly sourced now.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support - A tip o’ the hat to the article improvers. Ready to post. Jusdafax ( talk) 07:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Support the article is ready now, although it would look better if the "acting credits" and "Awards and nominations" section have some kind of prose. PrinceofPunjab ^TALK 14:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted— Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephen ( talk • contribs) 05:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Ross J. Anderson

OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 22:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - Looks well cited and notable for RD. The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 07:37, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Four {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 12:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support This article has enough details & references now. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 20:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 21:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Tom Henry

Mayor of Fort Wayne, Indiana from 2008 until his unfortunate death. The article needs work that I'll fix in the next few days. Thanks! :) ~ Tails Wx ( 🐾, me!) 18:18, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose Article has a bunch of unreferenced sentences. -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 18:50, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

TDKR Chicago 101, the article is now well-sourced, no unsourced issues remain. Pinging for the update! :) ~ Tails Wx ( 🐾, me!) 02:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Support Issues have been fixed. -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 16:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 05:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Attention needed) RD: Thomas Mensah

Heatrave ( talk) 10:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Very weak oppose Only uncited parts are Corning Glass and education. Bremps ... 11:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 09:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) Limpopo bus plunge

For precedents, see Carberry collision, Kenya crash, Epidemiology and List. Andrew🐉( talk) 22:20, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose For all purposes this is a unfortunate traffic accident that has been associated to fault of the driver. This is the type of stuff we cover in list articles, but not standalone ones per NEVENTS, and thus not really ITN material. Masem ( t) 22:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose tragic event, but seemingly lacks any long-term impact 2A02:908:676:E640:99A1:1CB2:32ED:E1E6 ( talk) 22:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose No long-term impact, and local incidents like this are why we don't have a minimum death criterion. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 23:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose Provincial bus plunge per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang ( talk) 23:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support This is de-facto discrimination. If 45 people die after a bus falls off a bridge in the United States it would be ITN in hours. Lukt64 ( talk) 23:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

To be fair, I would also disagree with having a US bus plunge on ITN. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 00:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The issue is that it is a road accident caused by only one fault (the driver) that is likely going to have little long term impact. This is exactly what NOTNEWS and NEVENT recommends from having standalone articles on. If it was a mutli-factor situation (such as a mega-car pileup) that might be something. But normal road-traffic accidents tend to not be topics that can be expanded on further. —  Masem ( t) 00:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

It's discrimination based upon what's typical for a country: if this was were in the USA but a mass shooting, this would never get ITN. But were it a mass shooting in any other country it would get on the front page within a few hours. This is because the former is shot down as "Oh, a tragedy, but all too common because it's a country where there are few to no safeguards against such a thing." The exact same logic is being applied here, but for some reason people get a lot more up in arms about it when the country in question isn't the USA. Nottheking ( talk) 01:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

There is only 4 pages on bus crashes on South Africa. Lukt64 ( talk) 03:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

If your intent was to argue that was evidence that bus crashes are rare in South Africa, that was a rather dubious selection. After all, Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and thus won't record every single item of news. Rather, the fact that there's clearly a lot of crashes (a casual research pass suggests hundreds of fatal bus crashes every year, with one high-profile study showing 4,001 fatal crashes involving trucks & buses across a 5-year period) and yet only four received an article seems to be a very strong indication that such events... Are just not notable in South Africa. Nottheking ( talk) 05:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I find it very hard to imagine a mass shooting in the US with 40+ deaths not being posted. In October 2023 we posted one with 19, and in 2022 we posted one with 10 (although there were racial/political elements increasing its notability). Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 13:53, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

So the 2018 New Jersey bus crash wasn't nominated, the 2020 Pennsylvania Turnpike crash wasn't nominated, the Schoharie limousine crash was nominated for AFD, voted keep, and still not posted. What was posted though was a 2023 bus plunge in Panama, 2020 bus plunge in China, 2018 in Hong Kong, and one I think last year in Italy that I can't find right now among many others. Your assertion then that "if this had happened in the United States", as is always the case when claiming "American bias" is in fact unsubstantiated horse shit utterly devoid of any basis in reality and contrary to the normative behavior at ITN which is to ruthlessly suppress stories from or about the United States in some hysterial and misguided effort to fight "systemic bias" despite that not appearing anywhere at WP:ITN. If you want to do something useful, maybe review the wall of forever wars in the WP:ONGOING section and nominate for removal those which no longer meet the criteria for inclusion. -- 24.125.98.89 ( talk) 11:25, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the list of similar blurbs and articles in the past, this is very interesting and helpful for understanding precedent here. We've posted many more busplunges than I thought we had, and the death-count of this one is double many previous blurbs. I think your aggression towards Lukt64 is wholly unwarranted and unhelpful... ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 12:15, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The outlier here is the Schoharie crash. I agree it probably should have been posted, but the New Jersey and Pennsylvania crashes had seven deaths between the two of them. They are simply not significant enough events to warrant posting. I have no hesitation in saying a crash with two casualties wouldn't have been posted no matter where in the world it happened. In fact, its occurrence in an English-speaking country is probably the only reason it has an article here. There's no sense in asserting anti-American bias because a non-American topic with 39 deaths was posted and an American article with 2 wasn't—and you were really quite disrespectful to an editor engaging in good faith while you were at it. Jjamesryan ( talk | contribs) 14:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

To be fair, the first two didn't have as many deaths. Personisinsterest ( talk) 14:25, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

May I add that this particular incident had a higher death toll than all of those you mentioned. Ollieisanerd ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - That's a remarkably high death toll for a single-vehicle accident. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 23:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose per above. The article does not indicate this will have a lasting impact. Gödel2200 ( talk) 00:44, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support the death toll is pretty significant for this news to be ignored. PrinceofPunjab ^TALK 04:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose from what I've seen of it so far, it's been a tragic accident, but a comparative "blip" news-wise: no wider scandal or fallout, for instance. Instead, it appears to be the sad result of what (in this country) appears to be commonplace poorer safety standards, which result in accidents like these not being particularly noteworthy. (e.g, a bus was towing a trailer which would dramatically hinder its handling ability, making it unsafe for driving such dangerous mountain roads) To give an analogy, it's also why few mass shootings in the United States are given ITN treatment: particularly lax gun control laws in that country & the overall cultural environment make what would be a nation-defining tragedy in virtually any other country into a commonplace occurrence.

Note that were some of these elements to change (e.g, in the next day or two a major inquiry & public investigation gets touched off by the South African national government) then that could change the picture. But as it stands, there's no indication of that happening. Nottheking ( talk) 05:24, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• CLOSED Consensus to post is unlikely to develop. Aydoh8 ( talk | contribs) 08:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC) ( non-admin closure) reply
• RE-OPENED Sorry but half a day when there are multiple support votes and an ongoing discussion is way premature closing; we should let the discussion run its course at least and give a chance for editors to respond, discuss and other to have their say. I have re-opened as a result. Abcmaxx ( talk) 09:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• I think an blurb like this would live or die on the article's quality. It's an intense tragedy with a big impact on many people's lives in the region. However, I don't think the article has quite enough depth/length for a front-page feature right now. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 10:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support High death toll and international coverage. Anon has done a good job of showing precedent. Article looks fine to me. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback) 16:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support I think the news is quite notable enough and should be included on the main page. Liam Korda 17:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support This is getting significant coverage. Government has indicated there will be further inquiry suggesting potential long-term impact. While the region has a poor traffic safety record, such large-scale incidents are uncommon. We blurbed the bus accident involving a hockey team in Canada a few years ago, so I don't see why we should not blurb this one. Kcmastrpc ( talk) 18:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support It's a notable accident with significant casualties and it's receiving some international coverage as well (fairly routine coverage, but enough). The article looks ok. I know some people will argue that they would also object if this happened in the U.S. but there's no doubt in my mind that this would get posted quickly. Less than a year ago we posted a bus crash in Canada with 15 deaths (which increased to 17 after posting). There was nothing particularly extraordinary about the Canadian bus crash, except for the fact that it happened in Canada. Johndavies837 ( talk) 20:37, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support per Johndavies. The Kip 21:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support abnormal high amount of death. Ollieisanerd ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Weak oppose. Most news articles I've seen so far for this event (including those nom includes) mention the same things (as a result of the coverage being based off of AP and Reuters): how the crash occurred (including 8-year old girl who survived), some limited context (Easter celebrations, road safety in Africa), and government responses. None of the coverage I've seen goes into depth about any of those responses - in fact, there is only one article sourced in the article that breaks out of this pattern in its headline (once you click on that article, it goes back to the routine coverage). I believe this puts the coverage under routine, which per WP:DIVERSE decreases its notability.

Similar arguments can be made about the precedent cited in the comments for this nomination. However, precedent acts as a rule/guideline, and per Wikipedia:IAR / WP:OTHER, if the precedent is making the project worse (by rotating tragic accidents that, while horrible, don't have long-term impact per Chaotic Enby), it ought not to be followed. I don't agree with the posting of some of the preceding articles either, in particular Carberry highway collision.

That being said, this is a horrific accident that definitely calls for reforms to be made to infrastructure in South Africa for safety. If this event sparks such reform, or otherwise leads to further action, I would support the nomination. Staraction ( talk | contribs) 05:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

There's an extensive in-depth follow-up in the NYT: No One Can Explain This Miracle. The BBC shows forensic investigation. So, while the many lesser news organisations are just repeating the wire story, the big ones are making more of it.

Andrew🐉( talk) 08:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support. A bus crash with an unusually high number of deaths, receiving an unusually high amount of international attention, and with some novel elements (that it was a religious pilgrimage, that there is a "miraculous" sole survivor). BD2412 T 17:12, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  We absolutely should not be posting stories because of those aspects (the religious pilgrimage or the sole survivor) as that's going along the lines of "won't someone think of the children"-begging rationale. Even if that's an aspect that the media focuses on, that's something we should be blind towards per NPOV policy. Masem ( t) 19:56, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Strong support per Lukt64. Although pointing out systemic racism on wikipedia can be uncomfortable, it needs to be called out. We posted Carberry highway collision and Humboldt Broncos bus crash with minimal opposition. Both of these crashes were very similar on the facts: driver error resulting in a mass casualty incident, resulting in devastation to the local community affected + widespread public sympathy in the news. Interestingly though, even despite this crash having *more* casualties, all of a sudden there is mass opposition at ITN and even an effort to snow close the nomination. From where I am standing, the only easily discernible & substantive difference separating this bus crash from those aforementioned is that as opposed to white westerners dying, here it was Black South Africans. There is no good excuse for this to miss out on a blurb. Flip ^and Flopped ツ 18:29, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  We shouldn't have posted any of these, actually. Bus plunges, whether they happen in the West or in Africa, are not the most defining events in international news. I wasn't on ITN at the time to oppose the other two, but they shouldn't have been there either, and the fact that we posted a bus plunge 6 years ago doesn't mean we should keep posting them now. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 19:29, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Yes, the problem is that we've become too lax on enforcing of NOTNEWS and NEVENT. Most land-based man-made traffic accidents like this will have little lasting effect because there's nothing to easily regulate or the like as there is with airlines, trains, or ships. But editors are rushing to create articles on every news event just because its in the news without the consideration if it will become an encyclopedic topic. We do have list articles that cover nearly every type of such events where these can be listed, but we don't need standalone articles on each of these, and by extension, feature in ITN. Masem ( t) 19:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Fair enough - I respect your position that bus crashes generally should not go to ITN. I might even agree with you as a matter of general policy. With this being said, it is important not to put on colour blind glasses even as you make respectable higher-level arguments about the parameters of ITN - there's a reason for the sudden broader surge in opposition to this bus crash when there wasn't to the Canadian crashes I mentioned: subconscious bias/racism, even if unintentional. Given the overarching context and the fact that so many other bus crashes have been posted, it is highly questionable that we as a community would decide to draw the line in the sand here. To that end, I think torpedoing this nom would unnecessarily stoke perceptions of racial inequity on Wikipedia... something that would be harmful to our project generally. All just my humble opinion though. I appreciate both of your respectful responses. Cheers, Flip ^and Flopped ツ 21:12, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I couldn't agree more with what's been said here. This is a drum I beat constantly, attempting to stem the tide of systemic bias, but it's usually just greeted with polite nods and somehow people don't even see how blinkered their worldviews actually are. For example, we blurbed Italian president Giorgio Napolitano's death (someone who wasn't even a national leader, given that the PM wields the power there), and ex-Canadian PM Brian Mulroney, there wasn't that much opposition, yet when Daniel arap Moi died - ruler of Kenya for almost a quarter of a century - my initial decision to post a blurb was met with an outcry and had to be pulled. And 10-year Tanzanian president Ali Hassan Mwinyi, again it was deemed that he almost certainly wasn't notable enough for a blurb. I'm not accusing anyone of bad faith, I just think we need to collectively open our minds a bit more than we have done up until now, and I'm extremely glad this story got posted, given the precedents of the other similar cases. It's important to remember that despite the editor base being overwhelmingly based in US/Europe/Australia etc, we're not just here to serve those communities, we're here for the global English community, and sometimes that means covering things that aren't deemed important enough in the Western media.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 20:42, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Step hen 01:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Late request for feedback This should have been called a 'crash' from the start regardless of nomination, as none of the reliable sources are calling it such (I went through each one) Please sound off on the talk page. Dreameditsbrooklyn ( talk) 00:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Then you might have missed the NYT article linked in the nomination: "8-Year-Old Survives Bus Plunge Off Bridge That Left 45 People Dead". Most of the other articles use the verb "plunge", not of all them use the word "crash". --- Sluzzelin talk 00:47, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Almost all of them are running with 'crash' and I didn't argue against 'plunge' Dreameditsbrooklyn ( talk) 00:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Sorry, I guess I don't understand what you meant by "such" in "as none of the reliable sources are calling it such". I gathered it couldn't be "crash". What were you referring to? --- Sluzzelin talk 00:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Almost all of the reliable sources are naming it as a 'crash' not 'accident' either in the headline or lede, and MOS says we should start with year, so 2024 xxxx crash Dreameditsbrooklyn ( talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

In fact on clicking through to each, I can't find the word "accident" used at all in the first nine citations for the article, only crash or sometimes plunge. Dreameditsbrooklyn ( talk) 00:59, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I understand now. I didn't know you were referring to the article title. Sorry for adding to the confusion! --- Sluzzelin talk 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Larry Lloyd

Football player needs some work. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 13:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose needs a lot more refs. Aydoh8 ( talk | contribs) 08:33, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Mukhtar Ansari

Indian Politican. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 17:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose for now The article currently has emotive language which violates WP:NPOV. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 03:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: George Gilbey

-- 2A00:23EE:14E0:15A0:D9D4:EACA:4221:4590 ( talk) 22:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Weak support Article is short, but what is there is of sufficient quality to post. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 02:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Step hen 23:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Joe Lieberman

Nominator's comments: United States senator from Connecticut from 1989 to 2013. Nominee for vice president of the United States in the 2000 U.S. presidential election. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keeves ( talk • contribs) 22:00, 2024 March 27 (UTC)

• Support. One section is tagged as relying on sources too close to the subject, but that is hardly the same as being unsourced. BD2412 T 22:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Comprehensive, B-Class article of an extremely notable figure. Staraction ( talk | contribs) 22:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Extremely notable figure in U.S. Politics. Article is of high enough quality as it is now for inclusion. Royal Autumn Crest ( talk) 22:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Personal life section has several citation needed tags. Natg 19 ( talk) 22:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Found sources for all outstanding citation needed tags in that section! Staraction ( talk | contribs) 00:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Definitely a notable figure in American politics; article is not perfect but sufficiently ready for RD. Flip ^and Flopped ツ 01:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• I was considering posting this however, there is an orange tag in the DHS section. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 01:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Ad Orientem: I have addressed the orange tag in the DHS section and added diversified sources (NYT, Bloomberg). Assuming no other issues, I think article is ready for RD. Cheers, Flip ^and Flopped ツ 02:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Flipandflopped There are a number of referencing gaps that I have tagged in the article. Having edited the page, alas I am now WP:INVOLVED, so I can't post the article once it has been improved. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 02:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose - Too many dead refs. Just randomly wanted to check some refs. 2 of the first 3 refs are completely dead. I haven't checked the rest. Hard to determine the quality of the article when its statements can't be verified. 51.154.145.205 ( talk) 12:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support article quality meets threshold for posting Kcmastrpc ( talk) 12:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Democratic Vice Presidential candidate in 2000 election and long running Senator and notable for being a key figure in many hot topic political issues in the 1990's and 2000's. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 14:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support He was the Democratic VP nominee in 2000 and was a long-serving senator who influenced major legislation like the Affordable Care Act and the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnAdams1800 ( talk • contribs) 16:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose His notability is not a requirement for him to be included in the RD, as it's already presumed by having an article on Wikipedia. Many CN tags and two subsections are orange-tagged. _-_Alsor ( talk) 19:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Procedural oppose per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang ( talk) 23:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose It's actually a very good article, and none of it is contentious, but desperately needs more sources in order to make it reliable. I added more "citation needed" tags. Abcmaxx ( talk) 13:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I've fixed 30/48 citation needed tags made since this post, but have to attend to other business now. Hopefully someone can pick up from here. Staraction ( talk | contribs) 15:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment @ Alsoriano97: @ Orbitalbuzzsaw: @ Abcmaxx: I've significantly updated the citations in the article. Let me know if it is good enough to post now or if I should add more citations. Staraction ( talk | contribs) 02:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Further to Staraction's comment, all citation needed tags are now resolved, either by the addition of citations, or by the removal of persistently uncitable claims to the talk page. BD2412 T 17:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. I see zero {cn} tags in this wikibio at this time. I still object to the bullet-points under Committee assignments for wikibios for US senators (prefer prose with more details on what they do and when), but I gave up on that a while ago. -- PFHLai ( talk) 08:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted to RD) Blurb/RD: Daniel Kahneman

• Nobel Prize winning author, psychologist and economist. Martinevans123 ( talk) 17:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Almost there: very few statements lack a citation. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  rather than discussing blurb or not, could we please have citations for at least two facts missing one? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Thanks, Gerda. You might want to add some tags to direct effort. Martinevans123 ( talk) 08:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  No, Martin, I hate tags. I saw two things:

  1. "They would continue to publish together until the end of Tversky's life, but the period when Kahneman published almost exclusively with Tversky ended in 1983, when he published two papers with Anne Treisman, his wife since 1978."
  2. Both paragraphs under "Focusing illusion" end without citation. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Ok, thanks. I also saw the first and thought it would be self-evident from his list of publications. Maybe not. Those other paragraphs are worth a look. Martinevans123 ( talk) 10:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  So I repositioned the citations for "Focusing illusion" (although primary). Alas, the article has only a list of his books, not a full list of all his publications (I'm assuming that might be quite extensive). Martinevans123 ( talk) 11:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Thank you, but how is it self-edvident that she was his wife from a certain year? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Yes, that bit not self evident from a list of publications, but the year is given in the infobox and in "Personal life" where it is sourced? Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  This comes sooner. You could just duplicate the ref from personal, and had obliged to "have a ref at the end of each paragraph". -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Blurb when ready. Ktin ( talk) 18:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

If this is to be blurbed, there should be a clear section besides a few lines in the lede to explain why he was important though impact and or legacy. Just being awarded including a Nobel isn't sufficient for a blurb. Masem ( t) 19:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

If only we were to apply the same standard (last sentence) to the PM of Ruritania. Nfitz ( talk) 22:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

We don't automatically blurb former PMs when they die either. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 19:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support RD, Oppose blurb I remember reading his work in school, especially his collaborations with Amos Tversky. That does not rise to the super-high level we need for a blurb. I think quality is sufficient for RD now, the few statements lacking citation don't need to hold this article up long. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 19:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support RD He was 90 and died in Parts Unknown from nothing of note. "Variants of utility" doesn't quite ring true to me, but it's footnoted and probably written for someone else. The two chunks in "Focusing illusion" could easily be deleted if backing them up with a reliable source or two proves difficult. InedibleHulk ( talk) 01:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose blurb Old man dies. Noah, AA ^Talk 01:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  In all seriousness, it doesnt rise to the level of significance for a blurb. Noah, AA ^Talk 02:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I find statements like Old man dies when used as a comment in a discussion like this, to be extremely disrespectful. Ktin ( talk) 02:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  When someone suggests a blurb that would relay exactly how old a man was when he died, it seems only fair to doubt the significance of that central fact. There's really nothing else to oppose. The age at death is the news item in question. InedibleHulk ( talk) 04:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  No, the blurb is the summary of the news item which is the death of the person. Age is additional information. Ktin ( talk) 04:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Sure, that's why it's in all the headlines provided above and why no such prior blurb has added a place or cause. I hope the small print means you're kidding. If not, maybe propose an ageless blurb that rather focuses on how the field of behavioural economics has been affected by the loss of its bedrock (or something RD can't say). InedibleHulk ( talk) 05:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Small font because this conversation is irrelevant. Clearly you can think of a blurb which doesn’t include age. Go figure. Ktin ( talk) 06:32, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  There was a recent blurb that was about an old man dying. Traumnovelle ( talk) 08:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I don't think there's ever been a moment in the history of ITN when "we recently blurbed an old person's death" didn't ring true. Kurtis ^(talk) 16:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  If you mean old man Mulroney, yeah, quite unfortunate. He was 84. At least in that case, further information did appear for a week or so in his death section and funeral article. Kahneman's article doesn't even have a death section. We could link the whole article, in bold, with a photo and note of how old he was. But I don't think that update is ever going to tell a reader more, so there's really no point in following along. InedibleHulk ( talk) 23:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Are you calling his death unfortunate or the fact it got blurbed? Traumnovelle ( talk) 23:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Both (in different ways, of course). InedibleHulk ( talk) 23:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment. The current criteria for blurbing deaths allows for major figures in any domain. The question to ask is -- as someone who served as the bedrock of behavioral economics as a field of study, was Kahneman a major figure in this area. My thinking is yes. Ktin ( talk) 02:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support blurb Certainly at the top of his field, one of the most influential economists of his time, and Nobel laureate. Also somewhat of a household name due to his bestselling book Thinking, Fast and Slow which encompasses much of his research. Davey2116 ( talk) 03:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose blurb, a blurb on this would be an embarrassment to the Main Page. The nominator should refrain from making blurb suggestions going forward. Abductive ( reasoning) 07:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Not my suggestion. I'd say it was borderline. Martinevans123 ( talk) 08:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Even if it was your suggestion, and even if said suggestion would be "an embarrassment to the Main Page", that doesn't give anyone the right to cast aspersions against you or anyone else over a difference of opinion. Kurtis ^(talk) 16:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Perhaps I'll just make blurb suggestions going backwards. Martinevans123 ( talk) 16:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Just as long as you're okay with receiving credit in a future that never comes. Kurtis ^(talk) 16:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Should make RD a lot more prdictable and won't take me a minute. Martinevans123 ( talk) 19:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Seeing as a blurb has been receiving at least a modicum of support, I'd say it's not an unreasonable proposal. Kurtis ^(talk) 16:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Yes, am tempted to change my mind. Martinevans123 ( talk) 16:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose blurb Great thinker and theorist, but not really for a blurb. I included insights from the prospect theory in my master thesis some ten years ago, and the true brain who delivered that theory was Amos Tversky. Not to belittle Kahneman's work, but he came up with ideas regarding cognitive biases that Tversky managed to mathematicise and bring to the general audience. Moreover, his contributions to behavioural economics are not seminal enough as John Forbes Nash Jr's contributions to game theory (in fact, the cornerstone in behavioural economics that most other theories descend from is the bounded rationality, and the real equivalent to Nash in behavioural economics would be Herbert A. Simon). There are also other psychologists who independently developed mainstream theories with wide applications to economics, such as Gerd Gigerenzer with his work on heuristics, so Kahneman's work isn't really a starting point for anyone working in the field. That being said, the statements that he was on top of economics as a field are quite wide off the mark.-- Kiril Simeonovski ( talk) 08:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support blurb Just running his name alone in RD would be insufficient and the article seems quite comprehensive and worthy. The bottom blurb which would be replaced is two weeks old now and so is stale. It's also less interesting -- just another routine election. Andrew🐉( talk) 13:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• The few expansions of the past 24 hours have been nice, but I do believe we need more expansion on this article before a blurb is appropriate. In particular, I think more details on his later life and death would be necessary for a blurb. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 13:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose blurb I do not think this is blurb worthy as I believe we should only blurb when the death is notable enough. PrinceofPunjab ^TALK 15:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment. Is there anything pending for this article to go to RD? Please can someone tag / annotate accordingly if there are any editor actions needed? Ktin ( talk) 18:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Joseph2302 has asked for all items in the Notable contributions section to be given sources. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Bit of an overkill to add references to that section. Should ideally be treated like the "See also" section. Nevertheless, I went ahead and added references to that section. So, we should be good there now. Marking ready. Ktin ( talk) 01:49, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support RD, oppose blurb. If we have to explain who the person is in the blurb, they really shouldn't be blurbed. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 19:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose blurb not a serving head of state or government and the manner of the death is not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang ( talk) 23:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose blurb His death was not notable in and of itself, and there is only a two sentence update about it on his page. Gödel2200 ( talk) 00:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted to RD Step hen 02:17, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Brigid Kelly

American politician in Ohio. -- Blaylockjam10 ( talk • contribs) 21:43, 2024 March 30 (UTC)

• The stubby wikibio currently has only 260 words of prose. The coverage of her political career seems to end at her election victory in becoming a member of the Ohio state legislature, with no info on what she did while in office, nor what she did afterwards (the intro mentions her becoming a county auditor...) and before she died. Please expand this wikibio. -- PFHLai ( talk) 20:37, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose Article is feeble; sourcing is too. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 18:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• @ PFHLai: I’ve expanded the article. Could you take another look at it? Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 22:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 22:38, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Ready) RD: Slađana Milošević

Likely well sourced. 240F:7A:6253:1:74BA:3EEC:4DCE:E68A ( talk) 05:50, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 23:47, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Richard Serra

American sculptor. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 06:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support. A solid B-class article on a major figure. The "Collections" and "Awards" sections have an improperly formatted citation that goes to a dead PDF, and it's not clear why some of the images of his work are fair use while others are not (perhaps that just reflects different freedom of panorama rules for sculptures in different countries), but I do not see these as blocking issues. Sdkb  ^talk 21:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support per Sdkb. Flip ^and Flopped ツ 01:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Well-developed article. interesting. Lots of sources. No visible gaps. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 18:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted – robertsky ( talk) 15:38, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Swami Smaranananda

Hindu Monk. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 06:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Step hen 22:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse

Major US bridge collapse. Potential for a high number of casualties. Mjroots ( talk) 08:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support but wait unlikely to not be a mass casualty event, but article is too short at the moment and information is lacking. Juxlos ( talk) 08:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support absolutely. LilianaUwU ^{( talk / contributions)} 08:14, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Breaking news. The target article is disputed so ITN can help with navigation. Andrew🐉( talk) 08:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I closed the merge proposal as it was getting no support. Andrew🐉( talk) 10:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support on notability; article needs to be fleshed out. ^Queen of _Hearts 08:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Alt1 is good, but needs work. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 08:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Alt1 since it links to the reasonably developed article on the bridge itself. The collapse article is under construction. Abductive ( reasoning) 08:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Wait – Both articles are in rough shape and the situation is still developing. Sounder Bruce 08:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support once it's ready. Kiwiz1338 ( talk) 09:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose No fatalities have been reported so far. _-_Alsor ( talk) 09:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Human lives are not the price demanded by an ITN.-- Jasper Deng (talk)
    • There is no WP:MINIMUMDEATHS threshold. Mjroots ( talk) 10:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  ITN should not depend on fatalities. It should depend on how widely covered it is. Also, a disaster can be a disaster without fatalities. For example, ITN posted the Norfolk Southern train derailment back in February 23, 2023. No one died in that event. Djprasadian ( talk) 14:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose. Thankfully no deaths, so doesn't rise to the bar of an ITN entry for a disaster.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 09:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Moving to support per below. I guess the infrastructure angle is interesting and newsworthy too.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 09:57, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Neutral, leaning support - but it is certainly instructive to see how people vote and argue on this topic, compared to similar cases elsewhere in the world. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 09:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• ITN has posted several bridges elsewhere such as India and Turkey in 2022. Andrew🐉( talk) 10:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I know, and while I'd rather not see this feed run entirely on precedents, those are relevant points in favour of posting. But there is nonetheless a persistent strain of argument from various quarters that diminishes mass casualty events outside Europe and North America. In this case, all I'm arguing for is modest caution. This is a developing story, and it's likely to be posted for good reason. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 10:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

One of those had 100 deaths and the other was the world's longest suspension bridge. No opinion on this nom, but those aren't good comparisons. AryKun ( talk) 10:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

You might equally say that one was just a footbridge and the other had no deaths. The best comparison is with the current bottom blurb which would be replaced by this one. That's the Portuguese election which was over two weeks ago and so is longer in the news. Andrew🐉( talk) 10:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I wouldn't care if it was a cartoon log over a canyon that collapsed if the number of deaths was 135 in this instance. Great job entering a discussion where people are talking about arguments that diminish "mass casualty events outside Europe and North America" and doing exactly that. AryKun ( talk) 14:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

For the talk page analysis, there's a table of noms. This currently lists 10 disasters/natural disasters. Six of these were in South Asia but none at all in Europe or the US. So, this is the first US one that we've had for a while. Andrew🐉( talk) 17:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

South Asia has roughly six times the US's population and way more creaky infrastructure, it obviously has more mass casualty events. Just because American newspapers tend to feature American and non-American events as their headline about the same number of times doesn't mean that the US is magically as important as the rest of the world combined. My comment above was specifically about your "just a footbridge" comment; if 135 people died in the Anglosphere because they sank into the sidewalk, you wouldn't be making the same flippant remarks. AryKun ( talk) 18:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Further discussion continues at another bridge incident: Limpopo bus plunge. Andrew🐉( talk) 08:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Significant destruction of a major engineering structure with international coverage. Alt1 preferred but either are ok. yorkshiresky ( talk) 09:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support -- this is awful. Likely 20 people have fallen in the water and at this point they have likely died of hypothermia. It's horrible. -- Rockstone ^{Send me a message!} 10:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support - major story which has been given a dedicated live feed on BBC, and with 20+ people missing it's just as presumptuous for us to assume there are no deaths as it is for us to assume there are. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 🐱 10:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

And yet when twenty people are confirmed dead in a transportation accident in the Global South, the usual suspects turn up here with tired arguments about 'bus plunges'. I'm leaning more and more in favour of this story being posted - but let's not kid ourselves that ITN !voters treat all such cases fairly. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 10:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

That's to miss the key thing being noted, which is how atypical such an event is. When striving to take efforts to avoid being tunnel-visioned, one would notice (for instance) that a mass shooting event rarely makes ITN... If it occurred in the United States. However, mass shootings elsewhere on the globe very readily get posted, because they are unusual for those countries. So to prescribe one effect as purely one form of bias is to ignore the reality of the broader picture. Nottheking ( talk) 10:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

That's a fair point. It's certainly not my intention to claim this is a universal problem with a single right solution. I would just like to see some fairness. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 10:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support This is definitely a very unusual disaster of high encyclopedic value which sends a clear message that the infrastructure built in the 1970s may not be sufficient to accommodate the current transport needs carried on the modern watercraft.-- Kiril Simeonovski ( talk) 11:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support: it is now clear that this is a major event, and the article is good enough to stand on the front page given the high value of putting the event there. UndercoverClassicist ^{T· C} 11:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Article quality is only going to improve and this is very clearly ITN. Kcmastrpc ( talk) 11:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support. A major and unusual infrastructure disaster, the artticle is in good enough shape already. Nsk92 ( talk) 11:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Major piece of infrastructure involved, completely destroyed, and making world headlines. 108.7.44.20 ( talk) 11:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Highly unusual event that is receiving widespread global news coverage. Flip ^and Flopped ツ 12:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support on notability due to the extreme abnormality of this event. Gödel2200 ( talk) 12:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Abnormal, outstanding event. Article is good. - Bedivere ( talk) 13:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Good job on the article, and the international press coverage shows there may be an effect on commerce. Kablammo ( talk) 13:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Not only is the impact on shipping and traffic notable, the media seems to be taking this by storm. Gøøse060 ( talk) 14:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Per above, Event is notable despite lack of major casualties, Editor 5426387 ( talk) 14:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support Major infrastructure collapse. Biggest headline on CNN and BBC. Djprasadian ( talk) 14:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support fucking crazy shit Dreameditsbrooklyn ( talk) 14:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Alt 1. Courcelles ( talk) 14:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Just found out Commons is firewalled at my location's network, so any sysop please feel free to copy over the image, protect, and change to the bridge. Thanks.

  Courcelles ( talk) 14:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  You beat me to posting. I've added two bridge images to the protection page. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 14:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I'm not opposing the posting, but MUST comment on the international coverage. I'm in Australia. Our media LOVES content from the USA, and LOVES dramatic imagery. This was a certainty to get coverage in Australia's news. That doesn't make it more important than a less dramatic and more deadly event, of which we have no pics, in a third world country. HiLo48 ( talk) 22:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Wikipedia can only report on what it is given. -- Rockstone ^{Send me a message!} 23:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Wikipedia must always be vigilant to not allow its systemic biases to get in the way of balanced reporting. HiLo48 ( talk) 00:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment: Can an admin change the image on the mainpage to ? It illustrates the disaster better. Bremps ... 23:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Add it to the image protection queue (see navbox at top of page) and give a bot about an hour to apply protection. Masem ( t) 23:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Can't; I don't have enough permissions to edit that page.

Or was that an instruction to an admin? Bremps ... 23:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I forgot that the image prot. page is admin protected, and couldn't easily edit it from my phone. The image has since been added and protected, and I have swapped the photo. —  Masem ( t) 04:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Post-posting support per above. Six people are presumed dead in this bridge collapse. Davey2116 ( talk) 04:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Question: should the (presumed) 6 fatalities now be added to the blurb? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I think it should be added. Jbvann05 19:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Admins willing to post ITN: Also, this could be asked at WP:ERRORS for a faster response. Natg 19 ( talk) 05:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

It's best asked here, it's already been removed from Errors as it's a change to an existing blurb. I personally don't see the need to mention deaths as that number is not something that would normally drive a posting. Step hen 05:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I agree with Stephen. In the big scheme of things, the fatalities are not what makes this event notable. Therefore, it's not necessary to expand the blurb for this. Schwede 66 07:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Thirded, Stephen and Schwede. DarkSide830 ( talk) 02:55, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Elisabeth Guttenberger

Romani Holocaust survivor and human rights activist. 65.94.213.53 ( talk) 04:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support from my perfunctory review, the article is pretty well-sourced & good enough for ITN ❤History Theorist❤ 01:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 08:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Reviewers needed) RD: Ian Heads

Australian historian, journalist, commentator and author. 65.94.213.53 ( talk) 04:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose for now Aspects of the intro aren’t discussed in the body of the article. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 19:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Reviewers needed) RD: Claude Alphandéry

Needs Expansion. Thriley ( talk) 13:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose - has not been expanded given the time that has lapsed. Staraction ( talk | contribs) 00:20, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Diana Wall

Scientist. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 00:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose 2 cn tags, one of them being an entire paragraph without a source and the other being the majority of a paragraph. Also some info in Awards and honors and other activities sections lacking sources. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 19:01, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support I think this is well-sourced now, or at least very close. @ MonarchOfTerror could you take another look? gobonobo ^{+ c} 16:42, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  The article looks fine now. Support. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 16:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support This article has enough details & references now. Good job gobonobo! Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 19:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 21:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Günther Leib

Internationally performing baritone, whose death (on 3 March) was entered here only yesterday. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support everything looks well sourced and ready to go. Aydoh8 ( talk | contribs) 23:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 21:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) 2024 Senegalese presidential election

Rival candidates have conceded defeat meaning Faye has won BastianMAT ( talk) 16:10, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - I just saw this on NDR's Tagesschau. ITN/R, so if the article is in decent condition, this should go ahead. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 16:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support. Massive feat in Senegalese history. Jebiguess ( talk) 16:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article seems to be fully sourced. Gödel2200 ( talk) 17:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support - Looks good and sourced. Terminator46man ( talk) 17:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article seems well-written and well-sourced, marking as Ready. The Kip 18:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support per above. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang ( talk) 23:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 23:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Update The associated picture does not reflect the image of the elected President Heatrave ( talk) 12:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Pull. Still very limited results in the article (.3% reporting) and the article states the results are not finalized yet. I believe this posting was a tad premature. DarkSide830 ( talk) 23:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Results aren't finalized, but the opposition has conceded defeat and the election is widely reported as a Faye victory. DecafPotato ( talk) 00:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Very few of the articles I've read state that he's won, more that he's "projected to", "likely to" or is "expected to" win. DarkSide830 ( talk) 00:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Again: The opposition has conceded, as has been widely reported in reliable sources. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 09:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

"Projected to" is generally the bar we use or, more specifically, the fact that reliable sources are calling it. In the US presidential election of 2020, the opposition rather notably did not concede the election, but we still posted once reliable sources projected the win for the Democratic candidate.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 10:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oh, I'm not arguing that we should only post when the opposition concedes. But when it comes to assessing reliable sources for who has won the election, the defeated party saying they're defeated is pretty significant. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 10:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

What exactly is going on? Conceding an election with .3% reporting is bizarre. Is there any more context we can give in the blurb? Bremps ... 17:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Incumbent APR party was extremely unpopular due to some pretty blatant corruption, and opposition candidate Faye had some big endorsements, so it was already expected that he was going to win by a landslide. Election was free and fair keeping up with Senegal's strong democratic traditions, nothing unusual here. Curbon7 ( talk) 06:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) UNSC ceasefire resolution

(Posted) RD: Imogen Stuart

Notable German–Irish sculptor who died aged 96 leaving behind a significant body of work. Page as is is cited, but does need some more expansion which am still working on...will take a day or two. Ceoil ( talk) 03:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support The article is well-cited and looks ready to post. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 10:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• The article has three citation needed tags. Flibirigit ( talk) 15:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Thanks...resolved now. Ceoil ( talk) 15:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support. I see no issues remaining. Flibirigit ( talk) 16:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted— Bagumba ( talk) 07:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Marjorie Perloff

Noted Poet. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 20:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Anyone interested in beefing up the single-sentence intro in this wikibio? -- PFHLai ( talk) 15:35, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support This article has enough details & references now that the intro’s been expanded. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 23:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 23:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Judith Hemmendinger

Centenarian psychologist who helped children survivors of the Holocaust. Found article in fine shape. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:21, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Can someone who can read Hebrew confirm the date of death in the source, please? I cannot find the date of death in the Google-translated version or the online English version. Is there an English source for the date of death? -- PFHLai ( talk) 19:18, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I just found this in English, - will add to the article. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Added, but when I wanted to look if there were details we didn't have yet, I was offered a free trial procedure which I'd like to avoid. I am sure I saw the date at the bottom before that happened. Good luck with the rest, anybody. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Thanks, Gerda. The Telegraph works. The date of death is now confirmed. Hopefully, someone with access can read and add any materials later. With more than 1000 words of prose, this wikibio is more than long enough to qualify. No glaring gaps in coverage of the subject's life. Formatting looks fine. Footnotes can be found at expected spots. Earwig has found no problems. IMO, this wikibio is READY for RD. -- PFHLai ( talk) 13:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support I didn't go into much depth in reviewing, but the article looks good enough for ITN. ❤History Theorist❤ 19:46, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Step hen 23:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Takerufuji Mikiya

Rare feat in an ancient sport like sumo, although the tournament was won on March 24. Potentially complicated but at least worth discussing. OtharLuin ( talk) 10:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose Unfortunately not ITN/R and not really that notable to be ITN-material. TwistedAxe [contact] 10:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose - Whilst a notable achievement, this doesn't really stand out overall. Our usual ITN story for sumo is the promotion of a new yokozuna. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 11:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Not being ITN/R is a plus as that means it's not routine. And it seems to be a once-in-a-century record. It's also a non-Anglo sport which provides some diversity. Andrew🐉( talk) 11:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose on notability as per above. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 11:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose as trivia. Just because something is rare doesn't mean it is important. If he rises to the top of sumo (by becoming yokozuna) then we'll post that. One tournament along the way isn't suitable. Modest Genius ^talk 12:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Once-in-a-century achievement, and a good quality article. Would make a refreshing change to highlight something like this at ITN. That there is an ITN/R entry for sumo doesn't preclude us from posting something different once in a while. -- Pawnkingthree ( talk) 12:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose per above. This is a rare achievement, but he hasn't become the top of sumo yet. Gödel2200 ( talk) 13:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support The oppose votes here seem very circular and gatekeep-y to me. We should not post this to ITN as this is not the kind of thing we post at ITN. In what way does this not meet our purpose? A recent event, getting wide coverage in the media, leading to a substantial, quality update to the encyclopedia. Let me put it this way: would posting this story help or hurt the project? It's a no-brainer. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose the essence of this story is an athlete happening to win a major championship the first time they participated in that. That sounds like a happenstance and does not reflect on a career-spanning achievement, which would be a better story for ITN' s purpose. Masem ( t) 16:26, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Most people are destined to die, yet their death is recorded in ITN. I honestly don't see why achieving a feat that hasn't been seen for a century should be disqualifying just because an athlete is doing his job... and on the subject of "career-spanning achievement", I think that, on the contrary, people now remember Takeruufuji precisely because he achieved this performance. - OtharLuin ( talk) 17:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Their death is recorded on ITN at the bottom of template in a smaller subsection with a bunch of other names, not at the big list of news that prominently sticks out and you read first, where the target article is bolded and highlighted in an entire sentence amongst the other news. Comparing this blurb nomination to an RD is not right. 2001:4651:F168:0:F55B:64A8:3A9C:A50A ( talk) 21:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose as trivia. nableezy - 16:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Kuriga kidnapping

Bremps ... 23:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The initial kidnapping apparently flew under the radar, but the release is probably also ITN-worthy. A BBC piece ( https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-68649221) states that the army contested the number of students released (137 instead of 280), but I cannot find this information elsewhere. Bremps ... 23:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Would also appreciate an altblurb because I apparently suck at writing these things Bremps ... 23:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support on notability due to the scale of the event being larger than many of the previous kidnappings in the Nigerian bandit conflict. Oppose on quality due to the article being a stub, and having multiple statements in the infobox unsupported elsewhere. Gödel2200 ( talk) 13:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: George Abbey (NASA)

A list of sources is provided. Help is needed to place more citations inline. Flibirigit ( talk) 22:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment shouldn't this be George Abbey (engineer)? Bit weird to have a disambiguation after an employer, even if it's a notable one. Abcmaxx ( talk) 21:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• He was notable for being a NASA administrator and his work in US Air Force. I found no notability at all for his work as an engineer. Please see the article's talk page for a previous discussion on his disambiguation qualifier. Flibirigit ( talk) 13:12, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Wholly separate from this at ITN, there should be a review of that approach for other NASA staff. That is very atypical of how biographical articles should be disambiguated, which should use their primary occupation (in this case "engineer"). That he worked for NASA would be captured by search matches and the disamguation page. —  Masem ( t) 22:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment sad to see that he just died. Will get to sourcing work after I complete some schoolwork. ❤History Theorist❤ 22:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• No {cn} tags remaining. Time for a re-review, please? -- PFHLai ( talk) 18:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Alright, it looks pretty much ready. I will note that there are some holes in the article related to some of his more controversial deeds but that shouldn't stop it from appearing at ITN. I will look into doing more serious expansion soon, although real life might postpone that. ❤History Theorist❤ 18:54, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• @ HistoryTheorist:, you made significant updates to the article. The review needs to come from an uninvolved editor. Flibirigit ( talk) 19:54, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Oh. I still stand by what I say though. ❤History Theorist❤ 23:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Generally support since it seems to have enough details & references for posting, but I’m curious about the holes mentioned by @ HistoryTheorist:. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 21:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I would have to do a bit more research on this as I'm not sure I have a complete understanding of the situation, but there seems to be complaints about him creating a toxic workplace and showing favoritism and that he would fire those who disagreed with him (among other problems). This Washington Post article seems to offer the most scathing criticism [5] and the books I've read (namely The New Guys by Meredith Baby) seem to highlight flaws in his leadership.

  note: the external link leads to ProQuest so I don't know if you'll have access ❤History Theorist❤ 23:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted. We can always add more stuff -- with sources! -- to the wikibio. -- PFHLai ( talk) 12:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Péter Eötvös

Hungarian composer, conductor and teacher. 240F:7A:6253:1:54D8:C475:B710:FFE ( talk) 08:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• It needs much more updating, especially inline citations. Will look later today. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose, quite a lot of unsourced content. Suonii180 ( talk) 20:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I said the same just above, please help or wait instead. I can't help an IP nominating before anything is close to being ready. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Suonii180 and others, please look again now. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  The works section still has a maintenance tag and the majority of the list is still unsourced. Suonii180 ( talk) 21:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Suonii180, the works are sourced to the publishers, mainly Schott, on top of the section. The maintenance says that one user thinks the list is too detailed. You others: do you think the same? Then I'll split it off. (I did that once before, only to have someone else bring the works back after a while). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  The (sourced) works are now - thanks to Amitchell125 - in a separate article. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Appropriate depth of coverage; solid work on improving the references. Spencer ^{T• C} 08:56, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posting, the article looks in a good shape now. -- Tone 09:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) McDonald's closed in Sri Lanka

RD: Amaechi Muonagor

Heatrave ( talk) 22:06, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment: Career section needs expansion; filmography needs refs. Spencer ^{T• C} 08:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) RD: Brigitte García

(Closed) Simon Harris (politician) in the 2024 Fine Gael leadership election

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(Posted) RD: Eli Noyes

U.S. stop motion animator. gobonobo ^{+ c} 09:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Weak oppose for now The filmography needs a few more references. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 23:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Blaylockjam10: I've removed the items in the filmography that were unsourced until we can find references for them. gobonobo ^{+ c} 00:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 07:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 13:46, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Shahryar Khan

Diplomat and former chairman of PCB. Ktin ( talk) 17:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article seems to be of good quality. -- Fahads1982 ^{talk/ contrib} 20:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment: Close; a couple CN tags remain. Spencer ^{T• C} 05:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Thanks @ Spencer:, I have added references and removed the CN tags. Please have a look at your convenience. Ktin ( talk) 02:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted – Schwede 66 17:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Maurizio Pollini

Notable pianist. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 21:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• added MONTENSEM and myself to updaters, will look again later - needs more work -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  one step further: now everything is sourced. There should be still more (recordings, reviews), but the next giant died. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support RIP a great pianist. Davey2116 ( talk) 04:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted – robertsky ( talk) 02:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Peter Angelos

Needs work. Will be worked on. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 18:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC) Should be fine now? –  Muboshgu ( talk) 19:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support All statements have been sourced. Gödel2200 ( talk) 00:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC) Weak Oppose due to two unsourced statements in the infobox, but besides for that, the article looks good. Gödel2200 ( talk) 02:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support, everything looks sourced. Suonii180 ( talk) 20:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 03:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Laurent de Brunhoff

Author of the Babar the Elephant series since 1941. Nice4What ( talk · contribs) – ( Thanks ♥) 18:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment: Bibliography needs refs or ISBNs. Spencer ^{T• C} 07:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Prose needs more footnotes, too. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 13:52, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Article is nowhere near ready. Schwede 66 17:55, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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RD: Partha Sarathi Deb

Veteran Bengali actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:A148:57EA:9AF:7A84 ( talk) 06:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• This stubby new wikibio currently has only 188 words of prose. Please expand it to start class and add more REFs as required. Thanks. -- PFHLai ( talk) 17:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • No edits after 4 days. Time running out for this nom. -- PFHLai ( talk) 13:49, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) Catherine Princess of Wales announces cancer diagnosis

(Posted) 2024 Crocus City Hall attack

Developing situation - article likely needs more work as events unfold. Staraction ( talk | contribs) 18:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support. Maybe mention ISIS in the blurb as they have just claimed responsibility Prodrummer619 ( talk) 21:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Gödel2200: I've removed your nom, as Staraction was slightly faster in nominating. Natg 19 ( talk) 18:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support on notability due to the scale of the event, though the article will need a lot of work before posting. Gödel2200 ( talk) 18:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support on notability, although, yeah, it'll need improvement. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 18:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  nb. over 130 people were injured, not killed. article says over 40 were killed. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 18:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  corrected - thank you! Staraction ( talk | contribs) 19:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support on notability as per above. 209.147.23.77 ( talk) 19:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support in principle. A terrorist attack with such a death toll is certainly notable. However, there are very little details in reliable sources, so it may take some time until the article is expanded.-- Kiril Simeonovski ( talk) 19:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support on notability though the correct death toll (at least from articles I've seen on the topic) is 40 not 140, though this is still breaking news and English-language info on the subject is still sparse so we can reasonably expect figures to fluctuate for a little while as more news comes out. Horribly shocking tragedy no matter what figure is correct. As for quality, the article is being developed rapidly and changes every time I refresh. Last I checked it didn't look like it was missing any sources, but it's still stubby due to the limited info available at this time. Support posting once expanded.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support on notability There are several people working on this currently, so I have no doubt that it'll be as current as sources allow and should be ready for ITN in time. CommissarDoggo ^Talk? 19:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support once the article is ready. The Moose 19:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support once it's ready. Kiwiz1338 ( talk) 19:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Note: I've boldly added some people I've seen updating the article in the history to the "updaters" section, although I'm sure I've missed some. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 19:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Very notable, the high death toll and the rarity of such an event occurring in Russia definitely makes this ITN-worthy once ready. Editor 5426387 ( talk) 19:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment - should blurb reference Krasnogorsk, Moscow Oblast, Moscow, or some combination of the three? Staraction ( talk | contribs) 19:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I'd say something like at the Crocus City Hall in Krasnogorsk, a city outside Moscow or just at the Crocus City Hall near Moscow. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 20:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I've opted for the latter - thank you !! Staraction ( talk | contribs) 20:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Krasnogorsk, Russia. If this happened in the US or UK, we'd say in Gaithersburg, United States or in Watford, United Kingdom, never just "near Washington" or "near London". If someone wants to know where in Russia that is, that's what we have an encyclopedia for. — Cryptic 20:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

changed as such, thank you! Staraction ( talk | contribs) 20:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Both Watford and Gaithersburg are administratively separate from those cities (Watford being part of Hertfordshire County, not London region; Gaithersburg in Maryland, not the District of Columbia). In contrast, Krasnogorsk is a part of Moscow Oblast, and as per COMMONNAME an overwhelming amount of sources describe the attack as taking place in Moscow, best to reflect it as such (important to show that this didn't happen in an unremarkable town in the vastness of Russia but right in the heart of the country). PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 13:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support, needs a little more work but overall very good. Occidental𓍝Phantasmagoria [ T/ C] 20:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose using image until public domain / CC images of the actual incident are available Staraction ( talk | contribs) 20:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  +1 queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 20:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  It is very unlikely that we can get PD images of the event as it happens, and further being in Russia. We never require free images of events in progress, though if we can, hey great. However, we can use a PD image of the city hall from 2013 as I've added. —  Masem ( t) 22:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Step hen 21:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Stephen Could you update the death tool and image? Prodrummer619 ( talk) 20:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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RD: Ron Harper (actor)

Needs Expansion. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 11:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Only 262 words of prose, much of it unsourced. The intro has only a single sentence. The Television series section is a just list of bullet-points with no sources. Please expand this wikibio and add more REFs. Time is running out for this nom, though. -- PFHLai ( talk) 00:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Markus Jooste

Looks to be in good shape. Natg 19 ( talk) 00:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article seems to be of good quality. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 02:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Looks in good shape to me. The C of E God Save the King! ( talk) 17:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment A majority of the article appears to be about the legal issues surrounding Steinhoff International, which probably belongs in that article rather than this one. Black Kite (talk) 09:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Frédéric Mitterrand

Needs a little bit of work. Natg 19 ( talk) 00:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• This nom does not seem to be ready for RD yet. The Biography section has 2 {cn} tags. The Filmography and the Publications sections need more referencing. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 22:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Closed) Vaughan Gething as First Minister of Wales

(Ready) RD: Timothy Hayward

Death reported 20 March. Thriley ( talk) 07:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose: I would argue that the article isn't "of sufficient quality to be posted on the main page". Most of the article is developed from a single obituary. As the person who expanded the article from the obituary, I couldn't find many other sources, though they may be available through newspaper archives. Significa liberdade (she/her) ( talk) 14:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Thank you for your work. I thought I’d nominate it now and expand it in the next day or so when I have more time. Best, Thriley ( talk) 15:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  This new wikibio is eligible for RD for a few more days. Lots of time for anyone who saw this nom here to make it "of sufficient quality to be posted on the main page". Happy editing, folks! -- PFHLai ( talk) 13:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support: Still only at four sources, but all major events of his life are covered and the article is reasonably long. Bremps ... 17:10, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment This looks ready to post. Thriley ( talk) 14:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comments: This is a rather short wikibio with barely over 300 words of prose. Anything else to add? Not sure his keeping a few dogs is encyclopedic materials. The current coverage of his career is rather thin, resembling a CV in prose format, and does not indicate what he did in each of his jobs. The intro mentions that he was an advisor to Jim Douglas, but there is no mention of this Douglas in the main prose. He was involved in local politics, but there is no indication where this "local" refers to, presumably somewhere in Vermont. He was a one-term member of the state legislature -- where was his constituency? how did he do in the elections? What makes this person notable enough to get a wikibio? Presumably because he was a member of the state legislature, but then, there is too little info on that part of his career on this wikipage. This wikibio needs to beef up a bit before it can get my support for an appearance on MainPage. -- PFHLai ( talk) 18:07, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Billy Kellock

Solid shape. Natg 19 ( talk) 00:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Two {cn} tags remaining. Almost there! -- PFHLai ( talk) 09:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Both {cn} tags have been edited away. -- PFHLai ( talk) 01:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted to RD. Spencer ^{T• C} 07:20, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Martin Greenfield

Good shape. Natg 19 ( talk) 00:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Good shape, indeed. One {cn} tag remaining. -- PFHLai ( talk) 10:15, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • That sentence with the {cn} tag has been rewritten with two new footnotes. -- PFHLai ( talk) 00:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted to RD. Spencer ^{T• C} 07:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Alfred M. Gray Jr.

Staraction ( talk | contribs) 20:59, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support article looks well sourced. Aydoh8 ( talk) 23:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• There are currently about 6 {cn} tags in the prose. The Awards section and multiple bullet-points in the Later life section need sources. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 19:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Vernor Vinge

3-time Hugo Award winning science fiction author. 2600:1700:38D0:2870:4016:E457:AF41:8BD4 ( talk) 13:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support A significant prophet of the singularity. Now that AI LLMs have digested Wikipedia and the rest of the world's corpus, we start to see this taking shape. The article could use more about his academic career but it appears that he was more of a teacher than a researcher and it's not what he was famous for. Andrew🐉( talk) 09:37, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

As well as being a very misleading characterisation of the field, this is obviously against WP:CRYSTAL from someone who ought to know better. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 14:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support per nom but I don’t agree with Andrew Davidson’s comments and I will refrain from a FORUM-y flame war on the whole LLM thing. RadioactiveBoulevardier ( talk) 10:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Per RadioactiveBoulevardier. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 14:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted to RD. Spencer ^{T• C} 07:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Abel Prize

The article needs work before its ready. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 10:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment Would it be better to make Abel Prize the bold link? -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 02:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

WP:ITNAWARDS says Unless otherwise noted, the target article is normally the winner of the award. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 07:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Unfortunately the article is nowhere near a postable state. There's only one paragraph of prose, which is unreferenced, plus a quote from his own book. The rest is just lists of awards and (too many) of his own works. Needs major expansion and third-party sourcing. Modest Genius ^talk
• Oppose article is too short and reads like a CV. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose Article is practically a résumé. 🔥 Jala peño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 11:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Vietnamese president Võ Văn Thưởng resigns

Nominator's comments: This might be premature since successor is not yet elected.  Banedon ( talk) 05:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment isn't this ITN/R? Change in executive, I assume interim president will be now appointed? Abcmaxx ( talk) 07:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Nope, interim presidents serve while a new election can be set up. Vice-presidents are the ones who get appointed as replacement presidents, but Vietnam doesn't seem to use this system. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 07:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose Resignations are not ITNR. In fact, neither is the appointment of the President of Vietnam, since the person who assumes the functions of the country’s executive power, in accordance with the Vietnamese political system, is the General Secretary of the Communist Party. _-_Alsor ( talk) 08:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose as the General Secretary holds the power, not the President. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 08:41, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose per above. The president in Vietnam does not hold executive power. Gödel2200 ( talk) 12:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) Irish Taoiseach Leo Varadkar resigns

(Posted) 2024 Indonesian general election

Nominator's comments: Election was 14 February, results was officially announced just now. Caveat is that results are subject to lawsuit, but all votes has been counted.  Juxlos ( talk) 14:46, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support – This article looks extremely impressive to me, good work! ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 15:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support - Article is good, quite notable event eventhough most of the local Indonesians have already predicted the results from the quick count weeks ago SymphonyWizard72 ( talk) 15:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support - Exceptional article, looks good to go. General election in the world's 4th most populous country should be posted as soon as possible. PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 16:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• The article is impressive and has prose updates on the results and reactions. However it has a few quality issues: there are multiple unreferenced paragraphs in the 'electoral system' section, which also refers to the election in future tense; the 'endorsements' section is empty, so should either be expanded or that link integrated into the text; the 'house of representatives' table is incomplete, as is the adjacent figure; so is the 'by province' table. Once those are addressed, I will support posting. Modest Genius ^talk 17:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I've added sources where required in the Electoral System section (and fixed tense). Aydoh8 ( talk) 00:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  There's still an empty section, a blank table, and a blank results image. I'm going to comment them out so this can be posted. Modest Genius ^talk 11:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I've made that fix, but there's still no reference for the presidential results table(!) which I think is the last thing holding up posting. Modest Genius ^talk 13:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  FYI, someone added a source there - PDF from the electoral agency. Juxlos ( talk) 03:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Weak support. The results image still hasn't been updated,(turns out it has and I just had to clear my browser cache) and the 'by province' and 'demographics' tables still don't have references. Those problems should have been fixed five days ago, but they're not fatal so I won't hold this up any longer. Modest Genius ^talk 12:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  The sourcing issues also seem to have been fixed now. I agree this is ready. Modest Genius ^talk 17:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Wait -I know the margin is very wide, but still according to law, the election commission must wait for Constitutional Court decision before determine if Prabowo become President-elect. Tensa Februari ( talk) 01:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  This is like if we waited until the electoral college convened to post the U.S. Presidential Election, as in we're waiting for something that has no chance of actually affecting the outcome. If the Constitutional Court decides to invalidate the election, that is its own news story. Like, if the electors in the Electoral College decided to band together to choose a different candidate than they were pledged to do so, that would be a completely separate and significant event than the actual presidential election itself, since it's never actually happened before and the whole process post voting day is basically just a formality at this point. DNVIC ( talk) 03:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Putin was only declared winner officially yesterday, still he has been ruling the front page since days. Why do the rules change so suddenly? 51.154.145.205 ( talk) 13:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article is of sufficiently good quality to post -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 02:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support I actually believe we should post these after the exit poll unless there is reasonable grounds that an exit poll will be inaccurate or it is too close to call. Abcmaxx ( talk) 07:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support All the major tables for the results have been sourced. While the provincial results table does have a few cn's, it shouldn't hold up the nom. Gödel2200 ( talk) 15:56, 26 March 2024 (UTC) Oppose on quality The tables for the results of the president and the house of representatives are currently unsourced (as well as the presidential results by province). Considering their importance, I think we should source those before posting. There also seems to be an under construction table for the house of representatives results by province. Gödel2200 ( talk) 13:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment is there any remaining holdups? The local legislatures simply have no available data in some cases, and the rest of the results are pretty much done. Juxlos ( talk) 03:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment I'm here after reading the more recent Senegal election on the front page, why this one not posted yet? is it because the page are too ambitious by including provincial and municipal results which normally don't exist in most other election article? if so, then we should remove those part. OGNelson9 ( talk) 12:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 02:26, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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RD: Neeli Cherkovski

American poet. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C18:36A3:290E:56E2 ( talk) 17:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment: Bibliography is uncited. Spencer ^{T• C} 03:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: M. Emmet Walsh

American actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:CDAC:81A0:6D5:ED0F ( talk) 23:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose there are several paragraphs uncited. Aydoh8 ( talk) 10:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC) Support issues have been rectified (thanks @ Tails Wx!) Aydoh8 ( talk | contribs) 23:14, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Conditional support SUPPORT Clearly notable actor. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 14:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Just a note, that notability is not a criterion for posting an RD: An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article that is: 1) Not currently nominated for deletion or speedy deletion. 2) Updated, including reliably sourced confirmation of their death. 3) Of sufficient quality to be posted on the main page, as determined by a consensus of commenters. We are looking at quality instead of notability. Natg 19 ( talk) 16:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Article is clean fully sourced (30 sources) and ready to go. I made major additions and revisions. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 13:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose for now – several statements in the article's "Career" section and nearly the entire "Filmography" section are unsourced. Once I'm done with fixing referencing issues on another ITN-nominated article, I'll work to resolve the unsourced issues on this article if no one hasn't yet by then. Thanks! :) ~ Tails Wx ( 🐾, me!) 17:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support! By far, this is likely the most work I've done on an ITN-nominated article. I've added numerous sources to the article's filmography section, and cleaned up any unsourced information and the promotion of the subject via unnotworthy facts. 63 edits and 27,066 bytes of added text – I'm just tired and worn out after this now! Courtesy ping to Aydoh8 for the update! :) ~ Tails Wx ( 🐾, me!) 17:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

There are now lots of sources in the article, and they need to be mined to add to the fillmography and any errant sentences that don't have citations. I don't disagree with Natg 19 although in my opinion the WP:ITN process is persistently perverse. When a person has over 250 documented appearances in films demanding a citation for every one is putting a premium on form over substance. But that's the way you want it ... 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 17:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The readers had a different take on this. 335,887 pageviews as of 3/25/2024 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 22:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Page views have no bearing on whether something is suitable for ITN. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 14:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC

User:GenevieveDEon You are right. The 343,569 page views only indicate reader interest. They don't need your approval. The readers got the benefit of the improved article.

The article's content and referencing has been improved substantial. I did a lot of that.

And having been at WP:ITN over the years, I know just how much that means.

Whether it makes a difference is another question. Wait long enough and it all becomes moot. The whole exercise at WP:ITN was wasted effort. I'm done here. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 23:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Quite an important and memorable actor in films like Bladder Runner and the Coen Brother's Blood Simple. Countless other roles as well. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 04:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support This has enough details & references now. Good job Tails Wx! Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 20:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• @ Admins willing to post ITN: ~ Tails Wx ( 🐾, me!) 22:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 23:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: BrolyLegs

Professional video game player notable for being unable to use his hands. Article needs to be updated. Mlb96 ( talk) 00:32, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Not sure if we can use Twitter/X as a verifiable source for his death. Natg 19 ( talk) 01:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • The only outlet that's covered it so far is Eventhubs, which is considered an unreliable source per WP:GAMESOURCES. Hopefully some of the better sources will put out articles on it in the next few hours. Mlb96 ( talk) 03:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

    Now there's spam websites paying respects to him (I found one which advertises an Amazon dropshipping scam as a "related topic"). No RS has yet reported on his death. We just wait until either his death is debunked, or an RS reports it. 🔥 Jala peño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 11:18, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Wait until an actual RS confirms his death. For all I know this could be another Lil Tay situation.🔥 Jala peño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 08:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC) Support NME has just covered his death, article's sourcing seems fine. Source has been added. @ Joseph2302: pinging to change your response. 🔥 Jala peño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 12:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Wait until if a WP:RS confirms his death. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support – Article looks good. I just changed over the citation. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 14:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - The article is probably the most solid for a fighting game player that I've seen so far. All it needs really is a photo of him. Jotamide ( talk) 12:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Step hen 21:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Ron Baynham

Nominator's comments: English goalkeeper.  65.94.213.53 ( talk) 14:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• With 400+ words of prose, this wikibio is long enough to qualify. Formatting looks alright. Footnotes can be found at expected spots. Earwig has no complaints. This wikibio is READY for RD. -- PFHLai ( talk) 19:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Good enough to post Abcmaxx ( talk) 19:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 00:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Reviewers needed) RD: Pearse McAuley

Provisional IRA member, who escaped from Brixton Prison in 1991. 65.94.213.53 ( talk) 14:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Chris Simon

Canadian former hockey player who won the Stanley Cup with the Colorado Avalanche in 1996. While The Guardian reported that he died on Tuesday, but TSN and ESPN both say that his death occurred on Monday. There is an orange-tagged section that needs to be addressed but the rest of the article already looks good. Vida0007 ( talk) 16:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose Aside from the orange tag for expansion, the article is lacking citations, many paragraphs without a source. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 10:57, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: James M. Ward

Game designer and author. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 19:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Weak oppose One cn tag, lead could be expanded further to reflect why he's notable/list some notable works and the selected works section needs more sources. -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 19:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• The Selected works section is largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 06:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Konstantin Koltsov

A former Belarusian pro ice hockey player. PrinceofPunjab ^TALK 07:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose. An entire section about his playing career is unsourced. So are his career statistics and awards. 🔥 Jala peño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose Several paragraphs are unsourced. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 10:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support – took care of the unsourced issues; the article should be fully referenced and well-sourced! Also expanded his playing career a bit and added an "Early life" section as well. Pings to Jalapeño and MtPenguinMonster for the updated article. Thanks! :) ~ Tails Wx ( 🐾, me!) 02:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I think the article is good enough now. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 02:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Step hen 04:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Rose Dugdale

• Support Article seems well-sourced and of generally good quality -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 08:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support, everything looks sourced and the article is a good length. Suonii180 ( talk) 14:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Agree with the supports above, ready indeed. Jusdafax ( talk) 01:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 15:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) Nandipha Magudumana

(Closed) 2024 Kolkata building collapse

(Posted as RD) Blurb/RD: Thomas P. Stafford

(blurb worthy), Thomas P. Stafford, who orbited the Moon on Apollo 10 and was the first, along with Gene Cernan, to fly the Apollo Lunar Module in lunar orbit, died today. Now only seven Moon travelers left, each of whom should be blurbed in this section after their deaths as pioneers of exploration and spaceflight. Randy Kryn ( talk) 15:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support RD, oppose blurb Though no blurb has been proposed. The article is long and well sourced. However, it's a perfect case for RD rather than a blurb. He's not "in the news" for his death besides the obituary, and his feat of space flight was over 50 years ago. Blurbs are not for memorialization, but for deaths that themselves cause significant news. Or at least that's what I think they should be. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 15:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Added a short blurb (could be expanded but this is as concise as possible without mentioning the Apollo-Soyuz mission). Stafford's death will likely have much news coverage. He and the seven remaining Moon travelers should all have blurbs, and all will be well-covered by the media (especially the last to die and Buzz Aldrin, although he may be both!) Randy Kryn ( talk) 15:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Unlike others here, I do not believe that "transformational in the field" is what makes a blurb candidate, as you can argue that anyone with a wiki article was "transformational" to their field, or else they wouldn't be notable. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 18:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

OWERVELMINGLY SUPPORT yes it ought to be there by morning ... Maybe we can also add to the blrb the Apollo Soyuz test project ? I feel that it was also important As he was the commander of it ....

sorry for spelling but I grieve...😭😭😭

Long LIVE Stafford! Ad astra aspera RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 ( talk) 17:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support Blurb The general benchmark for blurb vs. ticker is that the individual was transformative in their field, regardless of when their achievements were. And in this case, having traveled to the Moon is a very, very substantial & transformative thing on history. As mentioned, the number of living Moon travelers has dwindling as well. Each merits a blurb. Fortunately, the article still seems to be in full GA quality, (I saw zero issues there) so that part's an easy support: nice to see more GAs linked on the front page. Nottheking ( talk) 18:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support Blurb per Nottheking Abo Yemen ✉ 18:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose RD due to two unsourced paragraphs in the Post-NASA career section, Oppose blurb due to there being only a one sentence update about his death, meaning the death itself is not notable enough. Gödel2200 ( talk) 19:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I'm neutral on the actual nomination, but I really don't think that 'the death itself must be a notable event in its own right' is a viable standard. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 22:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Don't want to start a long drawn out discussion, but just to clarify: I mean notable in the amount of Wikipedia coverage and media coverage, not just the manner of death (though this is not a widely shared opinion). Gödel2200 ( talk) 23:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment I don't have a stance one way or another on a blurb on this one, but if it's not too much to ask, I hope we can go one RD-as-a-blurb nomination without derailing it into a bunch of splintering meta-discussions about what we all individually feel should be the criteria. Everyone's perspective is equally valid on this and there is no need for those who feel differently to create reply chains on each other's messages. Whether you're more in the "at the top of one's respective field" camp, or the broader "having made significant transformative contributions to one's respective field" camp, or the narrower "thatcher/mandela standard" camp, or the even narrower "only when the death itself is the story, e.g. an assassination" camp, there is no one universally agreed upon bar for when to post an RD as a blurb, nor does there need to be one. There's not a snowball's chance in hell that this disagreement will be settled once and for all in any particular individual blurb nomination, so I want to remind everyone that trying would be disruptive. Thanks.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose blurb Death isn't impactful/top-of-the-news/state funeral level, so not worthy of a death blurb. Yeah, that's a bit of a high criterion I use, but I don't believe we should run too many death blurbs given that we already have RD. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 21:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Old Man Dies No offense, Randy, I know how much space means to you. But if I, a non-fan, can name three bigger names from the moon, that's saying something. If (probably when) Buzz is blurbed, it should mean something, and that certain something becomes unattainable if every old moon man gets the hero's sendoff. Anyway, sorry for your loss. RD soon! InedibleHulk ( talk) 22:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Yes, InedibleHulk, just another old guy riding into the sunset. But before he rode there he and Cernan were the first humans to actually pilot and fly a spaceship around the Moon (or anywhere in deep space): the Apollo Lunar Module is the first actual spaceship. Blurb worthy, nah, something like that happens all the time (or just once, but who's counting). Randy Kryn ( talk) 00:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I wasn't alive when the first two humans actually piloted and flew a spaceship around the moon. I never will be, but I'll be damned if I'm misunderstood to suggest it wasn't a very major milestone! I've seen the souvenirs, they're as numerous as they are serious. Various federal agencies won't commemorate this day in nearly the same way, because all that happened is the guy who already changed the game so thusly died, changing nothing further. Gamewise, I mean. His friends, fans and family should certainly feel a void. But the event from fiftyish years ago doesn't actually replay, it's just in our heads (with me, it's dead wrestlers, but I get the feeling). Kudos to you for paying your respects like this. My opposition doesn't erase that! InedibleHulk ( talk) 00:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support blurb Seeing how there's a few people on this plant who could say they flew to the moon, I'd support the blurb on significance, however I know Frank Borman's failed blurb nom shows there might not be a chance this will pass besides as an RD. -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 22:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose RD on current quality issues. oppose blurb as unlike key astronauts like Glenn or Armstrong who went on to have influential careers and lives after their accomplishment, the same can't be said of Stafford here, or at least the articles gives little indication of such influence. Masem ( t) 23:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  • This is pretty bad a contrast: Neil Armstrong has been particularly noteworthy for not having an "influential career" post-Apollo, (and instead maintaining largely a low profile) meanwhile Stafford would later command an arguably more significant spaceflight; you were remiss to make any mention of that. And that's before noting his big influence in the development of stealth aircraft in the 70s through 90s. And even then... There's nowhere that specifies that they have to remain fully active up to their death; otherwise folk like Margaret Thatcher (who was largely relegated to just "making appearances" not long after she ceased to be PM) should never have been blurbed... Or, for that matter, Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov. Nottheking ( talk) 02:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    • If there were more significant factors to how Stafford influenced spaceflight or other areas following these missions, its not in the article. I'm looking for content that would fall into an impact or legacy section, which is why Thatcher remains a prime example of the type of people we should blurb on their death (in addition to the fact she got a full on week-long period of mourning recongized by the state). —  Masem ( t) 03:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose blurb I don’t get why every single person who travelled to the Moon should get a blurb. Despite the fact it sounds spectacular as an achievement, it proved to be a superexpensive project that contributed relatively little to the understanding of complex spaceflight, especially since the last crewed flight to the Moon happened more than fifty years ago. I think Valeri Polyakov’s record for the longest continuous stay in space is of much greater importance with regards to the human presence in space. There are also other notable space record-holders that deserve a blurb more than him.-- Kiril Simeonovski ( talk) 23:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  • There's a difference between an initial accomplishment & an incremental record-holder. (after all, there's not so much to draw a line of where Polyakov's stay was distinctly unique compared to prior record-holders; you'll need to justify your claim of "much greater importance," especially compared to, say, Skylab) And to outright claim that it contributed little to the understanding of spaceflight? That almost comes off as just a bad-faith claim. You're also ignoring that Stafford was the Commander of Apollo 10, and thus also the first to command a spacecraft away from Earth orbit that they had not launched in... Also that he was the American commander of the Apollo-Soyuz mission. Nottheking ( talk) 02:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  • The last crewed mission to the Moon was in 1972, so it had certainly contributed relatively little to the understanding of spaceflight as the future manned missions focused more on the human stay in space through the space stations. I think it's a fair belief from the 1970s that the landing of people on the Moon would largely shape the future of spaceflight, but it proved to be factually incorrect as the history of spaceflight took a different turn. In my opinion, as of 19 March 2024, we should reserve blurbs only for Valentina Tereshkova (first woman in space), Svetlana Savitskaya (first woman to conduct a spacewalk) and Buzz Aldrin (member of the first crew that landed on the Moon) and close the circle.-- Kiril Simeonovski ( talk) 08:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose per Kiril. No disrespect to Stafford, but even if the number of people to go to the moon is small, it really is just several of the same accomplishment. Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins were worthy of blurbs for being the first trio to go, they deserved blurbs. Don't need everyone having gone to get one, especially given it's inevitable the number of people going to the moon will increase in the future. DarkSide830 ( talk) 00:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Just a reminder, Buzz Aldrin is alive. So currently unworthy and undeserving of a blurb, no matter how big a deal he remains for all the things he did. We don't remember anniversaries here, that's OTD's job. InedibleHulk ( talk) 00:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Michael Collins never landed on the Moon, by the way: the Command Module Pilot remained in orbit during all landings of the Apollo program. Though yes, we did blurb his death. Also to base one's argument on an accomplishment being "inevitable" to be repeated leans into WP:CRYSTAL. Nottheking ( talk) 02:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Man, how about that. I had sworn he died a few years ago. My bad there. DarkSide830 ( talk) 13:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose RD because unsourced passages in article. Oppose blurb on principle. His death isn't a major news story. TarkusAB ^{talk/ contrib} 00:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose RD on quality and Oppose Blurb on notability per Masem and Kiril. Flip ^and Flopped ツ 01:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Look, this is a message to everyone who opposes the mention. Stafford was Chief of the Astronuat office, moon man, piloted the famous Gemini 6A flight ( first time two spacecraft were close to each other ) and commanded ASTP marked peace in space as now the USSR and USA stopped racing each other to several I did this I did that and marked ☮️ in outer space . Also NO MOON CMP -> NO MOON LANDING AS WITHOUT APOLLO 10 testing everything -> NO APOLLO 11 NO NIEL BUZZ AND COLLINS BECOME A HERO and stuff like that RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 ( talk) 03:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Added altblurb II. I've seen a lot of the emphasis on all opposition centered around downplaying the significance of Apollo 10 (or even the Apollo program in general) but a lot reflects some ignorance of the man's accomplishments. I've added a blurb that focuses on a separate accomplishment that I feel many might consider even more significant. It's worth noting that we bolded the other commander of that mission when he passed away, too. Nottheking ( talk) 04:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I am not a space person, so I would be against blurbing, but I think alt blurb 2 is less noteworthy or well known than the first two blurbs. Most people know of the Apollo missions to the moon, but I have never heard of the Apollo-Soyuz mission. Natg 19 ( talk) 05:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Strongly Oppose Blurb since the manner of his death is not notable and he is not an incumbent head of state/government This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang ( talk) 05:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Neither of those is a specific criterion for this. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 10:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose Blurb on notability per Masem. PrinceofPunjab ^TALK 07:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• I feel like Anders and Lovell will probably be more appropriate blurb targets, as Apollo 8 was the first crewed moonflight (did we miss Borman btw, or did we blurb him?). That being said, at this point, I would be alright with limiting blurbs to the old moonwalkers and perhaps the very final individual to reach the Moon. Either way, I'll probably support any article with three or more sentences added regarding their death, as I sure do love the Apollo program. I'll also note that there's currently an orange-tag. Can go either way. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 08:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Borman was a RD, not a blurb. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 08:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Good article notice: The article has a "Good" rating, so concerns mentioned above about the quality of the page should not factor into if Stafford is listed in RD or a blurb. At a minimum he should be in RD with the option of a blurb as this discussion evolves (or ends). Randy Kryn ( talk) 09:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Quality issue can rise up after the GA badge is added. When I first looked, there was a cleanup tag on a section, which had to have been added after the GA badge. We look at the present state of the article. —  Masem ( t) 18:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support RD Stafford led a significant life, not just going to the moon, but also flying Gemini twice and more importantly being commander on the Apollo-Soyuz test project, which was said to mark the true culmination of the space race. Even if his death itself isn't noteworthy, the death of someone noteworthy, who led a noteworthy life, is worthy of mention, particularly when many others who are given recent death mentions lived noteworthy lives with a seemingly inconspicuous death (i.e. died in their sleep). Oppose Blurb as his death isn't a noteworthy event in it's own right. 185.218.220.63 ( talk) 10:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

You don't need to justify his significance for RD. If he's in Wikipedia, and his article is free of significant defects, he should be posted. And I still don't think someone's death has to be noteworthy in its own right for someone to be given a blurb. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 10:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Alt2 - Nottheking has convinced me - the Apollo/Soyuz mission was a truly remarkable achievement in its own right, and is probably Stafford's single greatest personal accomplishment in a very accomplished career. I tend to moderate caution with death-blurbs, but this one has me persuaded. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 10:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I lament that we don't have institutionalized rules on RD Blurbs to restrict them. For me I think the manner of the death itself or its direct impact beyond the person being dead has to be significant (e.g. a serving head of state/government, religious leader, etc.). "Old man dies" is not a news story. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang ( talk) 03:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose blurb. I don't think Apollo astronauts should automatically get a blurb, and Stafford was frankly one of the least famous of them. When Buzz Aldrin dies he will certainly merit a blurb, but I don't think any of the other survivors were influential enough (maybe Lovell?). There's an orange-tagged section that will need to be addressed before posting in RD. Modest Genius ^talk 12:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment I believe I've fixed the two paragraphs without a source, so the article should be ready for RD. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 12:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• A comment on sourcing Much of the article is sourced to Stafford's own autobiography [14], which of course means that much of it may be unverifiable. Black Kite (talk) 12:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I would assume a published autobiography through a reputable publisher, in addition to having a co-writer, means that we should assume personal details and aspects he was personally involved with are verified, but things that are given as hersay in his voice which he'd have no privvy to knowing should be used carefully. —  Masem ( t) 11:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support RD Article seems to be relatively well cited, however Oppose Blurb just because someone went to the moon doesn't automatically guarantee them a blurb, as stated above. Editor 5426387 ( talk) 12:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment People really know nothing about the Apollo program if they think that Tom Stafford was "less important" to it than Neil Armstrong. I'd urge people to actually read the articles on Wikipedia, if nothing else. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -( talk) 17:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose blurb, doesn't seem to be big in international news, support RD, I couldn't see anything obvious that was unsourced. Suonii180 ( talk) 23:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Strong support Blurb and RD - Every Apollo astronaut deserves a blurb, both due to the amount of media coverage, and how significant of an event the Apollo program was. The article is of great quality, and as others have pointed out, even if you set aside the fact that he never landed, Apollo-Soyuz alone makes this worthy enough. He was instrumental to one of the greatest diplomatic feats in modern history. PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 16:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted as RD Step hen 21:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Steve Tensi

1960s AFL quarterback. Looks decent. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 22:40, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Weak oppose The first paragraph in the professional career section doesn't have a source for the last 3 sentences. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 10:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • @ MonarchOfTerror: I added a reference for two of those sentences. There's just one cn now. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 01:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    • It's good enough for RD now. Support. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 07:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Moved to March 17 as it appears his death was first announced on that date; otherwise would have rolled off. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 23:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 13:02, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Cola Boyy

American singer and disabled activist. 240F:7A:6253:1:CDAC:81A0:6D5:ED0F ( talk) 23:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Looks sufficient but it would be optimal to fix the one cn tag that is present. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 10:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 21:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Hennadiy Moskal

Former govenor of Zakarpattia Oblast and Luhansk Oblast. Jmanlucas ( talk) 17:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose on quality for now. I'm working on bringing it up to scratch. Aydoh8 ( talk) 23:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• The education, career and awards sections are mostly bullet-points where prose is expected. The short prose on his being governor of two different oblasts has no info on what he did as governor, but start and end dates. Please expand and add prose. There are also a couple of {cn} tags in the existing prose. Please add more REFs. Time is running out for this nom. -- PFHLai ( talk) 06:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) 2024 Russian presidential election

(Closed) 2024 Women's Premier League (cricket) final

(Posted) RD: Steve Harley

English singer/songwriter. Article isn't bad at all but has some uncited statements. Black Kite (talk) 13:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support, comprehensive article, very well sourced. Martinevans123 ( talk) 19:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support, ready for RD. Flip ^and Flopped ツ 00:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support - Well cited and written. Jusdafax ( talk) 01:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• @ Admins willing to post ITN: Could this nomination please be reviewed? BangJan1999 15:38, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• I would love to help, but I nominated it! Anyone else? Black Kite (talk) 15:46, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted – Schwede 66 17:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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RD: David Seidler

240F:7A:6253:1:424:460D:B1EE:9F7C ( talk) 19:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose until the four CN tags are resolved. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 23:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

All CN tags have been resolved. Thank you Golan1911 ( talk) 16:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose Writing credits and awards and nominations sections are unsourced. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 10:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Laxminarayan Ramdas

Former Admiral of Indian Navy. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 00:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article is well-sourced. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 08:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose it's not bad, but there's a number of unsourced statements, including a large block of text. Black Kite (talk) 13:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support I've added references to the unsourced statements, only one {{ citation needed}} tag remains, but that shouldn't stop the article from being posted. Ping to Black Kite for the update. Thanks! :) ~ Tails Wx ( 🐾, me!) 15:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support. Looks good now. Just one cn isn't enough to holdup. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 19:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 07:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Joe Camp

Noted Film maker. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 08:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose until the orange tag is resolved. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 12:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• No prose for a Career section? No sources in the Filmography and Awards sections? -- PFHLai ( talk) 12:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) Ongoing: Kivu Conflict

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RD: Byron Janis

American classical pianist. 240F:7A:6253:1:424:460D:B1EE:9F7C ( talk) 21:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• The Honors section currently is unsourced. There are a couple of {cn} tags in the main prose. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 11:51, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Attention needed) RD: David Breashears

Mount Everest filmmaker and mountaineer. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 13:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose The article says he won 4 emmys but there's no source for that and IMDb is cited three times and it is considered generally unreliable. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 11:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

@ MonarchOfTerror: I’ve taken care of those problems. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 10:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Nice, article looks fine now. Support. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 10:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support I’ve taken care of the problems & there are enough details. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 10:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Attention needed) RD: Frans de Waal

Professor of Primate Behavior at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia. A major figure behind bonobos becoming popular. HiLo48 ( talk) 02:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose Career section and awards sections need more citations. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 11:34, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

@ MonarchOfTerror Could you take another look? References have been added to both sections. gobonobo ^{+ c} 18:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article is now well-referenced, including the career and awards sections. gobonobo ^{+ c} 18:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support This article has enough details & references now. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 21:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Attention needed) RD: Walter Blum

American Hall of Fame jockey. 65.94.213.53 ( talk) 22:24, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose multiple unsourced statements. 🔥 Jala peño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 08:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support This article has enough details & references now. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 22:21, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Jim McAndrew

–  Muboshgu ( talk) 17:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Fairly cited Harvici ( talk) 16:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - No tags and well sourced. Jusdafax ( talk) 21:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 23:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) Starship third flight test, first successful

(Posted) Ongoing: Haitian Crisis

Continuing to receive coverage and frequent article updates since the recent related blurb rolled off. And, of course, the crisis in question is still ongoing. The Henry blurb is still outstanding, but Henry has yet to tender his resignation as president either way and I do not believe that should stop us from posting the broader ongoing nom. The target I selected may not be the best option ( Gang war in Haiti could also be in play), but that's negotiable. DarkSide830 ( talk) 23:54, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support due to near continous notability over the past month. Lukt64 ( talk) 02:22, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support due to notability. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 04:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment There's also ongoing gang war in Haiti. Unless it's considered an offshoot of the crisis, could be the target article. Brandmeister ^talk 08:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support on notability Pksois23 ( talk) 09:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - while the crisis has existed in some form since 2018, the current surge of activity is clearly significant. This doesn't have to be up for a long time (and indeed I hope for the sake of the people of Haiti that it isn't) but it is clear relevant now. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 10:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment The Haitian crisis (2018–present) article is not ideal for ongoing right now. It seems like the latest date discussed on the article was 12 March, and before that, it was 5 March. A better candidate would be the Gang war in Haiti article. It has mentioned dates up until 13 March. The Haitian crisis article has now been updated, so it is no longer a problem. Gödel2200 ( talk) 12:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I'm not concerned which article is chosen but are you really going to call the latter article a better candidate due to a one day difference? Traumnovelle ( talk) 20:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The main problem wasn't that there was only a one day difference. The main problem was that, while the Gang war in Haiti article had information for about every day since the prison storming, the Haitian crisis article had a gap between 5 and 12 March. Gödel2200 ( talk) 22:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

This "problem" has been fixed. More importantly, the redundancies have been eliminated (at least for now). At 80K the entry for the six-year crisis is relatively lean with the key points covered, though the coverage of the assassination of Jovenel Moïse is a bit too lean. If the same were to be done for the gang war article it might be suitable for the main page at some later date. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 15:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the expansion, the article now looks significantly better. In fact, the Haitian crisis article is now far more updated than the Gang war article, having dates up to 17 March (where as the latter article only goes up until 13 March). Gödel2200 ( talk) 16:15, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Yeah, again, I'm not opposed to it. It just feels like both articles have a lot of overlap and I'm not really seeing how the gang war itself is distinct from the rest of the crisis. Ideally we would have the larger crisis article and a timeline article, though both really are formatted like timeline articles. DarkSide830 ( talk) 01:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support due to ongoing notability (especially with the question of Henry's potential resignation), although Gang war in Haiti is a better target per Gödel2200. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 15:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  The map in the article needs a bit of work PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 16:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support adding Gang war in Haiti per Gödel2200; the issue has had repeated news coverage. Unknown-Tree🌲? ( talk) 15:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support the move to ongoing, with target article as Gang war in Haiti per Brandmeister and Gödel2200. Flip ^and Flopped ツ 21:58, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support adding Haitian crisis (2018–present), oppose adding Gang war in Haiti in its current state. The latter needs serious work as it relies on tweets, contains claims that fail verification, and does not even mention the larger context (the Canadian sanctions and UN report implicating previous governments in gang activity, for example). I've updated the former article to include this information which gives a wider perspective.-- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 01:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  To be fair, Haiti doesnt really get coverage from western media very much. Lukt64 ( talk) 01:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  That's not really true, as both of the entries attest. In particular, Jacqueline Charles at the Miami Herald regularly publishes on Haiti. The trouble is that it's very difficult to know what to believe from the multitude of sources. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 02:13, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support on notability The Haitian crisis article was previously outdated, but it now seems to be of sufficient quality. Gödel2200 ( talk) 16:20, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Haitian crisis article is well-updated now, don't see much holding this off the front page. The Kip 06:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support and replace Myanmar with it - As this is getting way more media attention and blurb-worthy material. PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 16:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Why replace Myanmar? Myanmar is getting just as much attention in the media and is still getting extremely consistent updates to the article. Lukt64 ( talk) 22:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment 360,000+ displaced, no President, Prime Minister, Legislature. Schools, courts, businesses closed, reports of 15 dead again yesterday; still not mentioned on ITN. Odd. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 11:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• You're right that ITN can be quite odd at times. The good news is this one doesn't seem to be controversial and is likely to be posted soon.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support posting Haitian Crisis now per article updates. A decent amount of information from the last 48 hours, regularly being updated as more news breaks on the topic. No question on notability, I think we're all in agreement there. There's no need to remove Myanmar as one editor suggested, though if they feel strongly about removing that entry or if others agree, that can be its own thread so this one doesn't get too unfocused.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted – robertsky ( talk) 06:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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RD: Marcello Gandini

Italian Car designer. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 19:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose for now There are 2 uncited paragraphs. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 11:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Bernard L. Schwartz

240F:7A:6253:1:424:460D:B1EE:9F7C ( talk) 19:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose Insufficient depth of coverage regarding career as businessman at Loral. Only 1 sentence in the body of the article. Additionally, the lede mentions he was CEO of BLS investments, and this isn't mentioned in the article body. Spencer ^{T• C} 03:11, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Yong Soon Min

240F:7A:6253:1:424:460D:B1EE:9F7C ( talk) 19:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article looks fine. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 11:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 21:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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RD: Julia Wong Kcomt

Chinese Peruvian writer. Her publications (in Spanish) need sourcing. -- PFHLai ( talk) 15:32, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose for now It’s mostly good, but the “Selected works” section needs more references. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 21:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Aribert Reimann

One of the most important German composers of opera and lied. I wish I had more time for more prose but on vacation. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:06, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Step hen 21:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Ira Millstein

Thriley ( talk) 13:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article seems to be well-sourced. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 16:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 10:04, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Neophyte Patriarch of Bulgaria

Patriarch of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church. Unfortunately, the article is in rough shape. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 01:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose on Quality - Citation tags Prodrummer619 ( talk) 07:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Quite a few footnote-free paragraphs. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 10:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Paul Alexander (polio survivor)

Guinness World Record holder for longest time spent inside an iron lung. Died 2 days ago, death announced today I believe. Date of birth is uncited, and there are probably a few more errors that I seriously cba to figure out. qw3rty 10:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment once the citatisn are fixed, id say that this arguably is notable for a blurb. Id rather have it in RD though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukt64 ( talk • contribs)
• Support once citations are fixed for RD Lukt64 ( talk) 17:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support. Article is fully cited and appears ready. Flibirigit ( talk) 20:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support but absolutely oppose blurb since the manner of the death is not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang ( talk) 21:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted A remarkable man. Memory eternal. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 03:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment—It's not the fact of his death that makes it notable, but what it represents. He was the last person in the world to still be using an iron lung. With his passing, iron lungs will now go the way of lobotomies, trepanning, and bloodletting. I don't know if a support a blurb, but I think it's reasonable to give it consideration. Kurtis ^(talk) 08:16, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  From what I see, it is not at all certain that the currently still alive Martha Lillard is the last person in an iron lung. Either way, it is not Alexander. I sure do hope someday we can blurb the eradication of polio, but until then I don't think such a blurb is appropriate. He was not quite a public figure like the people we usually blurb. I do appreciate the expansion of the article, though. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 10:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Bill Plummer

Still needs a few more sources. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 16:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support seems adequate. Ollieisanerd ( talk • contribs) 18:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support This has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 08:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 10:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Kim Rudd

Former Canadian MP. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 21:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• This stubby wikibio currently has only 286 words of prose. Anything else to write about? Career in business in Cobourg? -- PFHLai ( talk) 11:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support I expanded the article & I think it’s good enough to post. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 11:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Thank you for the new materials, Blaylockjam10. With 500+ words of prose, this wikibio is now comfortably in start class. Formatting looks fine. Footnotes can be found at expected spots. Earwig has found no problems. This wikibio is now READY for RD. -- PFHLai ( talk) 21:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 21:18, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: David Mixner

Mooonswimmer 17:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Not ready. Multiple paragraphs without citations, and a wholly inadequate lead section. Flibirigit ( talk) 02:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose, valid orange tags. 🔥 Jala peño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 08:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Eric Carmen

— Preceding unsigned comment added by The Vital One ( talk • contribs) 21:43, 2024 March 12 (UTC)

• Support. He put out big hits on the charts. Sad to hear he is dead. Urbanracer34 ( talk) 22:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support - Article looks in good shape with chart stats, copy cited. CoatCheck ( talk) 02:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose Tagged unsourced paragraphs (even before the above "supports").— Bagumba ( talk) 08:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support one of the most iconic cartoon antiheroes of the last quarter century *Puts on reading glasses* and Oppose There are wholly unsourced paragraphs. I just fixed a part of the personal life where information about presumably living and presumably private people was "sourced" to a dead tweet that didn't mention them. Unknown Temptation ( talk) 19:57, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support No more citation needed tags. Ollieisanerd ( talk • contribs) 11:22, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Thank you Ollieisanerd for adding citations to the article. The previous objections have now been addressed. The Vital One ( talk) 02:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Ready for RD. Flip ^and Flopped ツ 23:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted to RD. Spencer ^{T• C} 01:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Boss

Heatrave ( talk) 21:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose The article is currently disorganised. I think the "Life and Career" section should be split into sections to make it easier to read. Additionally, there is a CN tag. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 11:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose as above, "Life and career" should be split out to separate career and personal life. Discography is mostly unsourced, and some sources being used there are not permitted as per WP:RSP (including depreciated rateyourmusic and Tunefind which is not a RS). Joseph 2302 ( talk) 14:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Discography and Videography sections are largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 01:04, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) Portuguese election

ITNR election. The article is in good shape, with substantial referenced prose in the 'results' and 'aftermath' sections. The complication is that official results have been announced for 226 of the 230 seats - the four reserved for overseas voters won't be counted until 20 March. Normally that wouldn't matter, but with the AD and PS currently separated by only two seats it could change the winner (though almost certainly won't, given the way those seats are allocated proportionately). I still think it's better to post now than wait more than a week, by which point it will be old news. Reliable sources are reporting the AD as having 'won the election', despite those four outstanding seats. Modest Genius ^talk 15:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment it is indeed true that the reliable sources have already headlined an AD victory. Additionally, the PS leader has conceded and refers to his party as the new opposition. I agree that despite the mathematical possibility, it would be pedantic if Wikipedia waits longer than the actual candidates to declare a winner. Completely different system I'm aware, but I'm sure Wikipedia doesn't wait for the electoral college to finalise the American election after the losing candidate concedes. Unknown Temptation ( talk) 17:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• With all due respect to the RS angle of things, I simply don't think we can say AD won because, well, they haven't yet. I get the desire to get this posted now, but an official announcement of results would generally qualify as the news item still being in the news. If we want to post now, I think we would have to say AD is "expected" or "projected" to win a plurality. DarkSide830 ( talk) 00:51, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I'm happy to qualify the blurb with 'expected' or 'projected', given the technical (but again, highly unlikely) possibility that PS won >67% of the overseas vote. Modest Genius ^talk 11:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Needs work The blurb presents this as a win but the result seems fragmented with little prospect of a majority government and a further election likely next year. So, it's more a case of the previous government losing its majority than someone winning. The big news seems to be that the new Chega party was successful so that there's now a three-way split preventing a majority. The blurb needs work to explain this better. Andrew🐉( talk) 08:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  "A narrow plurality" to me sounds exactly like it is, but if "loses its clear majority" is accurate then that might be a reasonable alternative too. That would give more context on history here. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 09:03, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Saying something like 'PS loses its majority, PSD set up a new alliance called AD that is now the largest in parliament, and Chega came third with more seats than expected' would be a very long blurb. Do you have a suggestion of how to describe all those outcomes concisely? Modest Genius ^talk 11:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Any further comments or replies? It has been almost 48 hours since the nomination and hardly anyone has commented. Marking as (needs attention). Modest Genius ^talk 12:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Making current headlines across newspapers in Europe. Definitely noteworthy. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:46, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support on quality There is one cn, but the article looks fine otherwise. Oppose on quality There is an unsourced Politics of Portugal section, but besides for that, the article doesn't seem to have any major problems (though there is one cn). Gödel2200 ( talk) 13:16, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I've cut most of that section, merged the remaining sentence into the previous section, and added a reference. Modest Genius ^talk 14:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support - Article seems good. Notable. Prodrummer619 ( talk) 15:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posting. -- Tone 16:02, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• I see that "narrow plurality" has been changed to "wins the most seats." We were already discussing whether "narrow plurality" sounded too positive for what was practically a loss, so I am very surprised to see it changed to make it sound like a full-on victory. Could we change this back? (Should I be asking this at WP:ERRORS? I never know..) ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 13:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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[Reviewers needed] RD: Percy Adlon

Internationally famous film maker, still needs more sources and I have no more time today. Help? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Thanks for adding while I was out! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:15, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• I brought him back for one more chance - added just yesterday, substantially improved that day, and no comment yet. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Much of the Awards table is still in need of references. Some bullet-points in the Filmography section need extra sources for secondary info (e.g. awards). -- PFHLai ( talk) 12:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    • I don't know who designed it this way - a lot of it is duplicate. I'll see what I can do, but it was a long day already. I doubt that the nominations are actually needed, next to so many won. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply
      • Sorry, I fell asleep. Too late. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 00:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Chien Tung-ming

Taiwanese Paiwan politician. 65.94.213.53 ( talk) 22:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support. Article is properly cited with no other concerns found. Marked as ready. Flibirigit ( talk) 23:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Looking for REFs for date and place of birth. Help, anyone, please? Thanks. -- PFHLai ( talk) 05:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • There's now a footnote for the DoB. Thanks, Blaylockjam10! -- PFHLai ( talk) 15:16, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 15:16, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Dorie Ladner

American civil rights activist. The single-sentence intro needs some expansion. -- PFHLai ( talk) 16:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Not ready. Lead is too short, plus two citation needed tags. Flibirigit ( talk) 23:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  No {cn} tags left. -- PFHLai ( talk) 03:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support The lead’s long enough now & everything else is good. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 21:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 21:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: John Barnett (whistleblower)

Former Boeing employee, whistleblower. Dead in an alleged suicide on March 9, death announced March 11. DecafPotato ( talk) 17:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Weak oppose The article is orange tagged for the lead being too short. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 16:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ MonarchOfTerror: I have expanded the lead section. Does it look better now? DecafPotato ( talk) 19:08, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Yes, it looks fine now. Support. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 21:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - per the article expansion, it’s ready to post. Jusdafax ( talk) 11:13, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support: Looks fine now. ARandomName123 ( talk)^{Ping me!} 18:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support: Ready for posting. Flip ^and Flopped ツ 22:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Marked as ready. Flibirigit ( talk) 23:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 15:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Charlie Bird

Irish journalist and news correspondent, Short but sufficient article Josey Wales ^Parley 14:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article doesn't appear to have any problems. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 16:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support - Well-sourced and ready to post. Jusdafax ( talk) 11:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Marked as ready. Flibirigit ( talk) 23:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 05:13, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Malachy McCourt

Thriley ( talk) 10:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose for now The article currently has four CNs. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 10:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• The section on his book A Monk Swimming has zero footnotes. The rest of the prose now has 5 {cn} tags. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 11:30, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support, I've resolved all {{ citation needed}} tags and article is now well-sourced! (Courtesy pings to MtPenguinMonster and PFHLai!) :) ~ Tails Wx ( 🐾, me!) 15:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Thanks for tidying up the section on his writing, Tails Wx. -- PFHLai ( talk) 17:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 17:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Karl Wallinger

Leader of the rock band World Party. Article needs some work - It has an orange tag for a lack of sources. Doc Strange ^Mailbox Logbook 03:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Question If the only free image can't adequately illustrate the subject, can we use a fair-use one instead? Bremps ... 07:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

'Comment: I am not as familiar with image use issues as I should be, but is this Flickr image one that would be appropriate to use with appropriate attribution? KConWiki ( talk) 14:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support: I have cleaned up all the instances of citation needed as far as I can tell. Would someone be able to take a look at the article and see if they agree, and if so remove the CN template at the top? I think this article is close to being ready to post to RD, and may be ready now. As noted above, having a different image would be nice, but I want to leave that to someone who is more familiar with image issues than I am. THanks to all. KConWiki ( talk) 06:15, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the cleanup work! The article looks good to me, but as the nominator, I don't think I can add a support vote. Doc Strange ^Mailbox Logbook 17:59, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - Cleanup is well done, and I have removed the article template. Article is ready for RD posting. Jusdafax ( talk) 01:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Article looks good. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 16:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Is File:Karl Wallinger playing guitar.jpg really in PD? -- PFHLai ( talk) 07:06, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  No and it is now up for deletion. Secretlondon ( talk) 11:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Thanks for checking, Secretlondon. It's now removed from the wikibio. -- PFHLai ( talk) 14:36, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 14:36, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Lewis Jones

Welsh rugby union and rugby league player The C of E God Save the King! ( talk) 10:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support The article seems to be of sufficiently good quality and sourcing. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 10:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Decent article, sourcing fairly good Josey Wales ^Parley 22:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Several paragraphs in the middle of the Rugby league career section could use more sourcing. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 00:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • @ PFHLai: just done that. The C of E God Save the King! ( talk) 14:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Thanks for the new REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 04:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Looks fine. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 16:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 04:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Ariel Henry resignation

Folks might want to merge with the gang war blurb. Bremps ... 04:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb, article is comprehensive and well-cited (only a small case of overcite in lead to fix), oppose merge as the gang war blurb is about to roll off. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 05:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Wait per Johndavies Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 06:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose he hasn't actually resigned. Step hen 05:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Wait He hasn't resigned yet, they said it will take effect when the presidential council consisting of 7 voting members and 2 non-voting members is formed. I watched the press conference and they didn't say how long this process is going to take. Hours, days, weeks? Johndavies837 ( talk) 06:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Wait until it actually happens, then support. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 10:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment I also added an alt blurb that was proposed by Brandmeister on an accidental duplicate nomination of this. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Wait The articles look good quality wise, but the resignation hasn't actually happened yet. I also don't think this is ITNR yet, and will only be if someone replaces Henry (I think it would be ideal to wait for that to happen). Gödel2200 ( talk) 13:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose - this is just a minor and expected development from what we've already got blurbed. Adjust the blurb by a couple of words if necessary. Nfitz ( talk) 00:07, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  The gang war blurb is rolling off, while this is ITN/R, so presumed to be independently important. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 01:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  It's not ITNR. I made a mistake when I pasted the template in. Bremps ... 04:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  This is not at all a minor development if you consider the broader context of the Haitian crisis since the Moïse assassination. The rise and now fall of Ariel Henry as a self-imposed pseudo-dictator has been a very uncomfortable issue within OAS/ Caricom politics (i.e. the debate of whether legitimization of his seizure of power is a stabilizing or destabilizing force, which would affects things like aid shipments and such). Curbon7 ( talk) 09:47, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose for now The deal seems to be falling apart, according to latest news reports. I suggest closing this nomination until he actually resigns. Johndavies837 ( talk) 18:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Ongoing - The amount of blurb-worthy stories coming out of Haiti and the massive media attention surrounding the gang war makes it worthy of an ongoing slot imo, I'd recommend replacing Myanmar with it. PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 16:37, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(new) RD: Percy Adlon

Internationally famous film maker, still needs more sources and I have no more time today. Help? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Thanks for adding while I was out! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:15, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Yutaka Yoshie

Japanese professional wrestler. 65.94.213.53 ( talk) 05:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support article looks to be in good shape, and the death was certainly unexpected and tragic. Kcmastrpc ( talk) 12:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 01:01, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted): Oscars

Just completed, will have sources in a bit. Article probably also needs ceremony updates. Masem ( t) 02:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• To add, the film's article is in good shape to also be featured, but the Oscars one needs to be first and foremost. Also for pictures, that gives us Nolan, Murphy, Downey Jr., and Göransson for possible pictures to be used here (all individual winners). -- Masem ( t) 02:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Question maybe add the Oppenheimer poster as an image for the section? Kasperquickly ( talk) 02:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Main page images must be free of copyright issues (eg, not non-free images). Movie poster falls under non-free. Hence why we typically use one of the winners to be featured. ITNR normally includes best film and best director, but since they are the same here, any reasonable image of the film's cast + crew could work Masem ( t) 02:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment Added altblurb with picture; I support any blurb appearing on the main page though. If somebody else thinks people such as Cillian Murphy ought to be featured in the picture instead, please let me know. — 3PPYB6 ^{( T / C / L)} — 02:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Noting for the record that my altblurb has replaced Masem's original blurb—you can see his original blurb and my blurb side-by-side here. — 3PPYB6 ^{( T / C / L)} — 12:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support altblurb if ITNR normally includes best film and best director, we should feature the director rather than the actor in the picture. feminist🩸 ( talk) 02:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • The original blurb included no image while the altblurb did when I supported, I'm now clarifying my support now that the original blurb has been removed. Both articles are adequately sourced. feminist🩸 ( talk) 11:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Note We already promoted Oppenheimer and Nolan for some time starting February 19 (Murphy was also likewise considered). That may be a fair reason to IAR on the R bit, if most are so inclined. I'm leaning that way. InedibleHulk ( talk) 02:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I don't see how posting this again would be promotional tbh. We are simply reflecting how society has decided to recognize films. And Oppenheimer is no longer played in cinemas in most parts of the world, so any promotional effect is limited. feminist🩸 ( talk) 11:35, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support We can alternate between Nolan, Murphy, Downey Jr., and Göransson for the picture, per nom. Don't see the need to do anything different that Oppenheimer won both BAFTA and the Oscars. Davey2116 ( talk) 03:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I wouldn't call it a need, more a mere feeling of mild weirdness to highlight the same articles three weeks ( or nine days) apart. It's not like they've changed much, besides the bit about the seven Oscars. Of course, there might be something worth learning in the Oscar article about things that aren't Oppenheimer et al, so that's a breath of fresh air. InedibleHulk ( talk) 03:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support As per others Centuries123 ( talk) 05:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support on quality, neutral on Feminist's proposal to IAR and not post. DecafPotato ( talk) 07:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  You mean InedibleHulk? feminist🩸 ( talk) 14:07, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Oh sure, when it fails miserably, it's my idea... InedibleHulk ( talk) 13:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment Whomever replaced the original blurb with the altblurb, please don't do that, particularly after !votes have been made, because you then risk seeing !votes that were made to support a vanished altblurb or the original blurb and not an altblurb. I know my initial blurb didn't include any explicit picture, but that's a small change to the original blurb to include the picture mention. -- Masem ( t) 12:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support. The awards article is rather boring but does meet our minimum requirements so is OK to post. Don't bold the link to the the film article - the news is the awards. Modest Genius ^talk 12:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support on quality Both articles seem to be of sufficient quality. I don't really see how this would be WP:NOTPROMOTION. The fact that someone or some movie has won multiple awards in a year that we usually post doesn't seem to be a problem to me. Gödel2200 ( talk) 14:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support It's ITNR and appears to meet the customary quality standards for posting. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 15:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Smurrayinchester 15:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Guy Touvron

Legendary trumpet player, known in the world by thousands of concerts and more than 100 recordings, with a sad end to his career. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article appears to be of sufficient quality. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 16:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 00:00, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Dave Ritchie (gridiron football)

Nominator's comments: Canadian Football League Coach of the Year in 2001.  65.94.213.53 ( talk) 10:45, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose There's an orange tag and a few sentences are missing citations. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 09:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose and added "citation needed" tags. There quite a few but likely only need a one or two sources to full them all. Abcmaxx ( talk) 17:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Change to support as issues fixed. @ Tails Wx:; nice work! Abcmaxx ( talk) 21:15, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support, took a bit of effort, but I think I've taken care of all unsourced issues in the article! Courtesy pings to MonarchOfTerror and Abcmaxx. :) ~ Tails Wx ( 🐾, me!) 16:06, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 21:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) Pakistan New President

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(Posted) RD: David E. Harris

Nominator's comments: first black American commercial airline pilot  Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 00:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support This article easily has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 05:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 11:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Guy Boutilier

Nominator's comments: Canadian politician, member of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta from 1997 to 2012.  65.94.213.53 ( talk) 10:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support A few unsourced statements that could maybe be resolved, but it doesn't seem like enough to uphold posting. Kafoxe ( talk) 16:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose Too much unsourced info, a few paragraphs without sources and some stray sentences too. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 09:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Ramya Wanigasekara

Sri Lankan actor, singer, and radio broadcaster. Titanciwiki ^{talk/ contrib} 21:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC) reply

• Wait That awards section has a citation, but clicking it does nothing. Well, not nothing. But goes nowhere. InedibleHulk ( talk) 15:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  The reference goes to a webpage with a lot of broken elements. Bremps ... 16:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Sure, now it does. Another hour, maybe even better. Never give up! InedibleHulk ( talk) 16:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Upon further reflection, nevermind. It was already archived when I got there, but I clicked the wrong part. Abandon all hope! InedibleHulk ( talk) 01:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• How come many of her awards were not mentioned in the prose? Not important? -- PFHLai ( talk) 11:08, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Jonathan Hunt

• Wait A few unsourced bits and maybe some missing information, but almost there. InedibleHulk ( talk) 15:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support The article seems to be well-sourced now. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 22:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

'Procedural support RIP to the Minister of Wine and Cheese This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang ( talk) 22:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment – I've added a ton of references and cut out some material for which I could not find any sources. What's there should now satisfy the requirements. I've added myself to the credits list. Schwede 66 22:46, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Step hen 23:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Biraj Adhikari

Nominator's comments: Indian Sikkimese politician.  65.94.213.53 ( talk) 05:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose many unsourced statements, probably needs copy editing too as reads poorly. Abcmaxx ( talk) 17:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support, added references and re-wrote the article's "Political career" section and expanded the lead. I think it's good to go now! (Pinging Abcmaxx!) ~ Tails Wx ( 🐾, me!) 19:00, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Support now, nice work! Apologies I couldn't help out. Abcmaxx ( talk) 20:37, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 22:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Françoise Garner

French soprano who learned belcanto in Rome and brought French elegance to La Scala and the Arena di Verona. Article was there, but sourcing needed expansion. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article is satisfactory, AGFing french sources. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 09:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 12:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Steve Lawrence

American singer and actor. gobonobo ^{+ c} 19:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support Article already looks good, should be fine to post. PolarManne ( talk) 19:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - Article well-referenced and tag-free. Ready for posting. Jusdafax ( talk) 11:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 12:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted blurb) RD: Akira Toriyama

Nominator's comments: Died on March 1, but announced on March 8. -- 210.165.152.210 ( talk) 03:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Strong Support once we get additional information. He was the creator of one of the largest intellectual properties ever, after all. Hard to imagine he wasn’t notable enough. RPH ( talk) 03:26, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb Arguably the most famous and influential manga author of all time, certainly in the top 3. Article is already in good shape. PolarManne ( talk) 03:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb - Absolutely legendary creator. GamerPro64 03:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb. He created Dragon Ball, he deserves one. LilianaUwU ^{( talk / contributions)} 03:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment I added Oricon and the Mainichi Shimbun as sources to this nomination. Mlb96 ( talk) 03:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb. Transformative figure in anime, known worldwide. RIP. DigitalIceAge ( talk) 03:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb Absolutely one of, if not the, most influential figure in his entire industry. Known worldwide, had multiple projects in production. Easy blurb. Parabolist ( talk) 03:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support Blurb Easily one of if not the most influential modern manga artists. Rest in peace. Link20XX ( talk) 03:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb Definitely at the top of his field, his work is known worldwide. Johndavies837 ( talk) 03:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb Absolutely transformative figure in Japanese Animation, Toriyama was the giant whose shoulders everyone else stood on Spman ( talk) 03:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb - Influential in his field and has global recognition. Article is in good shape. Sounder Bruce 03:58, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Lots of unreferenced material in the Works section, which is probably too detailed anyway. Step hen 04:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb - There should be no question here. He is in top of his field and very important in the development of animanga fandom & industry and JRPG genre of games through Dragon Quest in the late 20th century. Until then there should be some fixes on the article, then we're good to go. MarioJump83 ( talk) 04:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose on quality no RB or Blurb until the works are properly sourced. -- Masem ( t) 04:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose on quality the works section is still largely unsourced. PrinceofPunjab ^TALK 04:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Strong Support He's one of the single most influential persons in regards to anime and manga. ACasualEditor97 ( talk) 05:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb - Without a doubt one of the most influential people in anime and manga, and arguably, in modern Asian literature. Fulserish ( talk) 05:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Once the sourcing issues are resolved, then strong support blurb per above. ~~ lol1 VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 05:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose blurb — Influential figure in manga, but the medium is too vast and arguably a fraction of entertainment sales to warrant a blurb from any one figure. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 06:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Animanga is indeed very vast ever since 21st century, but Akira Toriyama has influenced a lot of mangakas and artists (incl. One Piece and Naruto mangaka) on this field of entertainment, not to mention the burgeoning anime fandom in late 1990s and early 2000s following Japanese economic recession in the early 1990s. I can't understate how popular anime is across the world, since their mainstreaming in 2010s alongside K-Pop. MarioJump83 ( talk) 06:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Fourth best selling manga in history, and Dragon Ball television and film series is massively popular in Latin America, Europe, North America, and elsewhere. It's a widely popular series with huge national appeal and has had a following since the 80's to today. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 20:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support blurb - although I’m not personally a fan, the man’s impact on anime/manga, now a huge media item, is undeniable. Oppose on quality for now, though - it’s a GA, so mostly good, but there’s some missing citations. The Kip 06:19, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment, but leaning oppose I often find this page to be very informative regarding recent deaths and other news. I mean no disrespect to the late Akira Toriyama, who did much to advance his field and who passed away somewhat prematurely. My condolences to his family, friends and fans. However, the whole anime/manga industry is pretty niche (or maybe I'm just getting old). Although there may be significant overlap between manga fans and Wikipedia editors, the general public doesn't pay much attention to it. Given the high standards which this forum has established for itself for blurb-worthy content, touting Mandela-Thatcher rules and excluding many notable and significant individuals, personally, I find the near universal support for a blurb here for the creator of Dragon Ball to be, well, among the most humorous things I've seen on the internet today.

Please don't take this comment as rude. I appreciate the work that many of you do. Keep up the good work! Ryan Reeder ( talk) 07:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Animanga is more closer to a pop cultural juggernaut today than it was in prior decades, though in some parts of the world I could see why it is a niche. MarioJump83 ( talk) 07:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

No disrespect, but I think it's a somewhat uninformed opinion to suggest that Japanese media is niche. See List of highest-grossing media franchises.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I suppose I find it surprising to see that Pokémon has had 1.6 times greater sales than Mickey Mouse and nearly double that of Star Wars. But genuine question--why does Satoshi Tajiri's Wikipedia article only have about 2,000 words, while Walt Disney and George Lucas are around 11,000 and 9,000 words, respectively? I would say that Disney's and Lucas' names are much more widely recognized, at least in the Western, English-speaking world, which is the audience served by this Wikipedia.

Also, Dragon Ball is down around Grand Theft Auto, Angry Birds, Thomas and Friends and Fortnite, and I wouldn't consider their creators' deaths blurb-worthy either, at least not by the Mandela-Thatcher standard. But that ship has sailed. Ryan Reeder ( talk) 20:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Of course, it is no surprise that there are far more English-language news articles written about George Lucas and far more English-language sources about the legacy of Walt Disney, but we've long agreed that ITN is not only for English news. One could also argue that the impact of Dragon Ball on manga and anime is far more transformational than the impact Angry Birds had on mobile video games, but that's neither here nor there as the notability question seems more than settled by now.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb. Well-known artist in multiple countries, both Japan and the entirety of the West. Article looks ready to me, given that there are no citation needed tags remaining. 64.231.206.241 ( talk) 08:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• I'm glad to see all the strong support on significance and I fully agree. I will say that the death and legacy sections should be updated further, with more detail. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 09:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support blurb, second in importance to Osamu Tezuka only probably, and arguably the first to really make manga popular in e.g. Europe. A defining figure. Fram ( talk) 09:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support blurb - per above. Creator of one of the most popular works of fiction out there, and an inspiration for many artists to follow. Rest in peace. - Bucket of sulfuric acid ( talk | contribs) 09:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment Splitting out a problematic and woefully under-sourced section into a completely new woefully under-sourced article to get this posted on ITN is very subpar editing, I think. It's supposed to be a Good Article! Black Kite (talk) 10:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  This here. It is 100% inappropriate to sweep the unsourced works section to a separate article. Breaking it out was not required as there was no SIZE issue. That needs to be undone at this point too. Masem ( t) 13:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose on quality as per Black Kite. Removing a whole unsourced section so the article looks better for ITN [21] seems like a clear attempt by Justanothersgwikieditor to WP:GAME the system, and should not be tolerated. Same as how ITN has been cracking down on people doing these splits for unsourced music/film lists for musicians/actors. The current version has insufficient sourced detail on the works, and therefore doesn't meet ITN quality standards, and this will be the case until the unsourced content is re-added with sources. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 10:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I don't think the extended table/list is required for the article, but I agree that the Works section should be further re-expanded before posting. Rather than WP:GAME, you could see this as akin to WP:TNT, clearing away the uncited mess to be replaced by something better. Of course the problem is still there, however... ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 10:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  This is not an accurate summary of Wikipedia policy. Poorly sourced material can always be removed. Mlb96 ( talk) 12:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Poorly sourced material should be sourced if possible. I'm sure most of the works could be sourced if there were a desire to do so. TNT is for when it isn't salvageable, and lots of that content would be salvageable. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 14:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  That usually applies to material that is not central or common to the specific topic. A list of works by a highly regarded artist and writer is central to that person and should not be removed because sources were lacking. If it were removing one or two completely obscure works from the list, sure, but not the full list. Masem ( t) 14:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  That's quite a bold, and somewhat "not an AGF" accusation to me. JASWE hasn't even spoken in this page so far. Maybe they just saw that "Oh, seems like this could be split", and WP:BOLDLY did it. We all have differing views after all. How are you so sure that it's an attempt to WP:GAME? S5A-0043 ^Talk 07:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Observation Perhaps just goes to show, more people may have heard of the world's most famous politicians, but cartoon fans actually respect their heroes and buy their work. Anyway, he was 68, which isn't that old. I'm not opposed, just keep it clean. InedibleHulk ( talk) 12:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support blurb, once the cn tags on the list are resolved either by removal or sourced. I am of the opinion that not all entries need to be sourced, but at the minimum, follow the guidelines at WP:CSC. – robertsky ( talk) 12:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support blurb, this definitely has the needed quality as a GA. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 13:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb Wrote the fourth best-selling manga of all time. HadesTTW (he/him •  talk) 13:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support blurb definitely notable enough, well-known in multiple countries. Editor 5426387 ( talk) 13:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose blurb There is only a three sentence update about his death. While he was very notable during his life, his death itself isn't notable. Gödel2200 ( talk) 14:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  His death got an article on the BBC and CNN within hours of announcement, it was clearly notable. ACasualEditor97 ( talk) 14:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Yes, it is notable in the sense of having gotten news articles written about it very quickly, but that doesn't change the fact that his death does not have significant Wikipedia coverage. Without that significant Wikipedia coverage, I do not think a blurb is warranted. Gödel2200 ( talk) 14:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

There is zero requirement that the death itself of a notable person be significant to require a blurb. Where the death (and most often the funeral and other memoriable services that follow) are covered in depth by sources, that's a fair reason for a blurb, but by no means the only reason for one. Instead, when the death is from natural causes, we should be looking to the person's relative importance, impact, and legacy on their field to judge if a blurb is appropriate, and there's clear indicators, already present pre-death, why Akira was a key figure in manga and video games. —  Masem ( t) 15:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

"when the death is from natural causes, we should be looking to the person's relative importance, impact, and legacy on their field to judge if a blurb is appropriate." Should we? There may be no requirement that the death itself be notable, but I also don't see any requirement that we must assess the notability a person has to determine if they are blurb worthy. In fact, if we went along this route, I would be inclined to make the argument that the only people who are 'notable' enough to get a blurb are those who have significant Wikipedia coverage on their death. But regardless, as far as I can tell, both of these view points are valid. Gödel2200 ( talk) 16:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

It is definitely not the case that we only post blurbs when the death itself get significant coverage. As to when we post otherwise is still heavily debated, but aspects of importance and impact are common criteria. But we have never expected the death to be heavily covered for a blurb. Masem ( t) 16:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

It may be a common practice to assess blurbs of notable deaths based on the notability of the given person, but I don't see how this in any way discredits opposing based upon no significant Wikipedia coverage. I'm not saying that we should never be assessing if a blurb is warranted based on notability, but rather that we should take that into account together with the coverage of the death; assessing the blurb based upon Wikipedia coverage or assessing based upon notability are not mutually exclusive, and my argument is using the former. Gödel2200 ( talk) 16:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

We have never in the past looked to the amount of coverage of the death by natural causes as a reason to blurb. When the death is unusual, that's a different matter. When the death is by natural causes, significant attention to the death may be a reason to blurb, but never the sole reason to blurb. Masem ( t) 16:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I agree that the amount of coverage should never be the "sole reason to blurb", but I also think it should go the other way: the notability of a person during their life shouldn't be the sole reason for a blurb; both of these factors should be satisfied. Gödel2200 ( talk) 16:46, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

We can certainly talk about the respectives and long-form obits a person gets above and beyond simple obits as a factor, but those also have to be present and documented in the article, if that legacy is not already present. Just that those aren't expected to be documented as part of their death, as you stated in your original post. Masem ( t) 16:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

As I've said before, the fact that it is not "expected" that there is significant Wikipedia coverage of someone's death does not mean this is an invalid reason to oppose. I do not agree with the common practice of posting blurbs solely on notability during life, and I am saying we should take both factors into account. Gödel2200 ( talk) 17:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Gödel2200, RDs as blurbs have long been understood to be for people who lived exceptional lives and were at the top of their respective fields. I understand that you feel this should change, and that's okay. Every RD-as-a-blurb nomination will meet some resistance, some more than others. But I think it's best that you accept that you're in the minority on this. You've made your point, and you've generated a very long back-and-forth in the process. If I weren't replying, I would have collapsed it myself to make the wider discussion more readable.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I feel like it's worth pointing out the article for Brian Mulroney, who is currently blurbed, also has three sentences about his death. The manner in which they died doesn't need to be notable, just the impact they've had on society. PolarManne ( talk) 20:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I am not making an argument that the manner of death needs to be notable for a blurb to be posted, in fact, far from it. I consider the amount of Wikipedia coverage of a given person's death to be a significant factor in deciding if they are notable enough for a blurb. I think RD blurbs should only be used in extremely exceptional cases, and the deaths in those cases almost always have a lot of Wikipedia coverage. Gödel2200 ( talk) 22:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support blurb Most notable manga/comic artists of all time. Nyescum ( talk) 14:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support blurb Along with most of the support blurbs, he created Dragon Ball which is one of the most notable media franchises of all time. Sincerely, Icantthinkofanamexd ( talk) 15:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support blurb It appears citation concerns were resolved this morning. I agree with many above on his notability and the impact he brought to the manga/comic industry. -- Engineerchange ( talk) 15:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  And to the toy industry. InedibleHulk ( talk) 15:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  They were not: ppeople just shuffled the list of works to a separate page to hide the lack of sourcing there. That's got to be sourced before we post, because otherwise that's just sweeping dust under the rug. —  Masem ( t) 15:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  More like cleaning your room by cramming everything into your closet and hoping the door doesn't spring open from the pressure. Kurtis ^(talk) 16:23, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support blurb—Per all above me, an iconic Manga artist who had an indelible impact on popular culture, both in Japan and abroad. This support is, ad always, contingent upon the article being well sourced and of adequate quality. Kurtis ^(talk) 16:23, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support blurb DBZ is a very significant, notable manga. Pretty much everyone knows it. I've already seen a lot of people talking about this guy's death. Setarip ( talk) 16:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support blurb DBZ is a popular manga, people would want to know this, I think it's notable AndrewGarfieldIsTheBestSpiderMan ( talk) 17:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support blurb Clearly notable for his work and transformative within the field of Japanese manga and animation.

Noah, AA ^Talk 20:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb as per above. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 23:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment: As RD blurbs appear to be trending from an exceptional to a regular occurrence (this discussion hasn't closed yet, but it seems to be trending towards support for a blurb), perhaps a compromise for certain notable deceased persons is to have their photograph placed as the main image, with "(pictured)" next to their name under the Recent Deaths ticker (see right)? Morgan695 ( talk) 17:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• And to clarify, I'm not proposing an end to the practice of doing blurbs for recent deaths, just proposing another option for noting deaths without doing a blurb. Also just realizing now that I forgot to italicize "(pictured)" in the mockup I did. Morgan695 ( talk) 17:58, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• We have done this before, and I wouldn't be opposed because I still think we should move away from blurbing RDs. Kingsif ( talk) 20:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Yup, and this should be reasonable if none of the other blurbs have pictures or the picture has become stale. (I am still brainstorming an idea that would allow automatic picture rotation that could incorporate RDs with free pictures too, but that's not a simple task yet) Masem ( t) 20:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Also support this idea, and also support moving away from blurbing RDs. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 21:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I support this idea. RD blurbs can fill ITN blurb space rather quickly, and ITN blurbs should be more focused on the serious events happening around the world. MarioJump83 ( talk) 01:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support blurb Not just known for his work on Dragon Ball but also Chronotrigger and blue dragon. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 18:19, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support blurb as he was one of the greatest and most influential manga artists of all time. I’d say that he was in manga what Stan Lee was in comics.-- Kiril Simeonovski ( talk) 18:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Manga is comics, just in another direction and language. In the whole panel-based story art game, Stan Lee's "vision" was far more influential, spawning a hundred times the characters, 80 billion more dollars and two more decades. It's more reasonable to put Toriyama up there with Hergé and his so-called bandes dessinées, probably. InedibleHulk ( talk) 19:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

FYI, here's the nomination for Stan Lee -- a blurb posted in about an hour. Andrew🐉( talk) 05:05, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment If you are coming to add yet another "Support Blurb" we've clearly passed that line, but this cannot be posted until List of Akira Toriyama's works is properly sourced, and I would recommend fixing that first. -- Masem ( t) 19:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Good luck finding reliable English language sources to cite his authorship of 40 year old Japanese comic books, it’s probably not going to happen. What an absurd demand. Spman ( talk) 19:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Not ridiculous, required by WP:ITNQUALITY. Or maybe users shouldn't create WP:CFORKs for the sole purpose of trying to get this ITN passed with no effort of improving article sourcing. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 19:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  It is ridiculous because he’s a Japanese artist who created the bulk of his work in Japan and outside of the main thing he’s noted for, most of that work has zero traction outside of Japan. Expecting English Language editors to find foreign language sources to cite his works that literally no one disputes his authorship of is a ridiculous demand to move forward on this. Spman ( talk) 19:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Works that are notable on their own (that is, the blue-linked ones) presumably can go without sources as his authorship should be on the blue-linked page, but those that have been included without links do need sources. And while they may be obscure Japanese works, the fact someone added them to en.wiki means they know they exist. We don't need secondary coverage, but appropriate reliable sources that simply address authorship.
  Also just doing some searching found me this book with the first work on the list sourced. [ https://www.google.com/books/edition/Dragon_Ball_Culture_Volume_1/JYvmBQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Nazo+no+Rein+Jakku%22&pg=PT63&printsec=frontcover] That probably has a lot more that can be used. So no, not impossible at all. —  Masem ( t) 20:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Despite us being the English Wikipedia, sources do not have to be in English, per WP:NONENG. Curbon7 ( talk) 21:19, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  There is zero requirement for sources having to be in English. Don't make up rules that don't exist, Spman. Schwede 66 22:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose blurb, and support moving away from blurbing RDs in general. We don't need a two-tiered system of death honors. Of course, there are cases where the death is its own story that is separately ITN-worthy (like, a non-ceremonial monarch dying and being replaced would still be WP:ITN/R), but it shouldn't just be "important person dies", as important as the person is. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 21:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support blurb It's a GA and so its quality is a given. To now require citations for the authorship of his works is absurd because such works are sources and presumably he is credited. And the {{ authority control}} is there to provide general backup for this in the world's major libraries. As for his notability, his death was announced in a BBC radio bulletin that I heard while driving today and that's more prominence than the usual RD. And a blurb is needed to explain who the guy was as the name alone is useless. I've heard of DBZ but am not a fan and so his name is not familiar. Andrew🐉( talk) 00:13, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• We're discussing the article Akira Toriyama for ITN - so why should the separate article List of works by Akira Toriyama hold back the GA from being posted? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 02:05, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Because the sub-article was spun off yesterday in an attempt to avoid referencing any of his works. Step hen 02:08, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Stephen: So? And, additionally, almost everything on that list is referenced. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 03:30, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support blurb Very notable figure in the anime/manga industry. Centuries123 ( talk) 03:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support blurb - hard to see how there is anything other than a consensus to blurb this. I guess we're just waiting for an admin to come by to do it. -- Rockstone ^{Send me a message!} 04:56, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support blurb. Dragon Ball's not exactly my taste, but nonetheless I can tell how significant it is to the manga world. S5A-0043 ^Talk 08:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 08:30, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Pull image — @ Stephen: The blurb image has been discovered to be copyrighted material and should be pulled. See Commons:Deletion requests/File:Akira Toriyama.jpg. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:57, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Done, thanks for the heads up. Step hen 22:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) Sweden's accession to NATO

Sweden is set to join today formally. Was on hold last time, it's about time we nominate this now. TwistedAxe [contact] 14:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support although blurb can be improved and the article will likely be moved to Sweden in NATO like for Finland in NATO. (edit: I somehow hallucinated that move) Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 14:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Agreed. Could someone maybe insert a fitting image as well? TwistedAxe [contact] 14:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Done (blurb and image), although if someone has an image of the accession ceremony it would be even better than the map! Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 15:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The accession ceremony is set to be held on the 11th of March, although the treaty is set to come into force today. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:03, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

We can go with this image, and maybe update it when the accession ceremony happens if it's still on the main page by then (likely). Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 16:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment one section is tagged as source less, and I spot a couple CNs floating around. Masem ( t) 14:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment Just wait until it is really, really, really set and fixed. Please! We can't risk anything now. Everyone on Swedish media is going: "For the love of..., don't jinx anything now." Cart (talk) 15:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  All 31 member states have deposited their instruments of ratification and the US Department of State have confirmed that the treaty is in force as of today. There are no more "risks" Going to note that the PM has yet to deposit the instrument at 4PM UTC, in less than an hour. Still fitting to post it though considering everything will be done today and formal accession will conclude by the end of the day. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

If you had followed this as closely and for as long as we Swedes have, you wouldn't mind waiting that hour. We have become very jaded with all the things that have popped up along the process. Cart (talk) 15:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I have followed this as long as the Swedes have considering I am Swedish ;) TwistedAxe [contact] 15:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Sorry, not so used to bumping into fellow Swedes here at ITN. More used to explaining things to Americans. ;-) Cart (talk) 15:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

No worries. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:30, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Full membership has been announced, and the article looks good to go. Comment According to the table on the article, full membership hasn't taken effect yet. I would think it would be best to wait until full membership takes effect. Gödel2200 ( talk) 15:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Totally agree, we can polish up the article and make everything ready in the meantime. Cart (talk) 15:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Seems very notable. - Petjayso ( talk) 15:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support we had brought it up earlier that we would like to nominate it once they had officially joined. It is very notable given the ongoing tensions between russia and nato. Ion.want.uu ( talk) 15:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I do agree however that we should clean up the article a bit if needed. Ion.want.uu ( talk) 15:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Wait just a liiiiittle bit longer, we're almost at the point of full membership, but it's not yet there. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -( talk) 16:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Done!!!! Go, go, go! Cart (talk) 16:28, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment I've added 2 additional sources. It's official now. TwistedAxe [contact] 16:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Lazy jannies ruining another good nom by sleeping all day instead of posting, sad 2600:100F:B1B9:3F82:141C:495C:DB68:F117 ( talk) 17:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Let's get this up ASAP Moncoposig ( talk) 17:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support. Either blurb is OK. Nsk92 ( talk) 17:21, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Needs work The lead of the nominated article has not been updated – its most recent date is July 2022. Andrew🐉( talk) 17:25, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

this is importent news. i agree. 2600:1700:8090:4440:B4B9:F680:424F:F9 ( talk) 17:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support on significance, with advice that we move quickly to get this up while it's timely. Sdkb  ^talk 17:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support great news. Article looks good and it’s ready to be posted. _-_Alsor ( talk) 18:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. Appears uncontroversial. Per MOS, I've spelled out the number, omitted the wikilink to Sweden, and used the term "member state" that seems to be more commonly used by our articles than "member". The map still needs protection on Commons before it can be posted. Sandstein 19:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Sandstein, I'm not a fan of the alterations you made to the blurb when you posted. thirty-second member state of NATO linking to Sweden–NATO relations is very much an MOS:EGG. Sdkb  ^talk 06:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  It's not more egg-y than the proposed blurbs, I think. I don't really see a good way to use the article title " Sweden–NATO relations" in the blurb. Sandstein 07:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Post-posting support Woohoo! Do I get an IKEA discount now? -- Rockstone ^{Send me a message!} 02:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

You do if we get a Microsoft discount. Cart (talk) 15:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• comment: i thought i might mention that commons has a few photos of the ratification ceremony, including the one at right. dying ( talk) 01:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Good idea, albeit too late I think. In 2 days, the flag is going to be raised at the NATO HQ in Brussels and we're most likely going to use that image when it happens. If we change it now to the suggested picture and then change it again to the flag being raised at Brussels, I think it would be too many changes being made. Keeping things more consistent by changing the picture fewer times is probably a better idea, unless people are ready to disagree with me. TwistedAxe [contact] 03:56, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

good point, TwistedAxe. i had made the suggestion anyway because i have a feeling that the toriyama blurb will be posted before monday if the sourcing issue is resolved by then. also, when finland joined nato, i had suggested a number of pictures, including some from the ceremony at nato headquarters. ultimately, one of the other images i had suggested was featured, so even if the nato blurb remains the top blurb at itn on monday, there is no guarantee that any images from that ceremony will be better than the ones we have currently. dying ( talk) 04:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Used a tighter crop of this one, as the Toriyama image turned out to be a probably copyvio. Let me know if you have any other suggestions, thanks. Step hen 22:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: John Kumah

Heatrave ( talk) 14:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article is well-sourced and looks good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moncoposig ( talk • contribs) 16:21, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose blurb Person is not really a household name, support RD article looks good enough for RD though. Editor 5426387 ( talk) 19:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  He was deputy finance minister and a big face of the ruling party. Heatrave ( talk) 02:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support RD The article is a little sparse in terms of prose, but I think it's of sufficient quality to post. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 23:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose on quality correctly orange tagged. If fixed, RD is fine. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Still orange-tagged for reading like a press release. Please fix. -- PFHLai ( talk) 12:56, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I've removed the orange tag, as the current version of the wikibio does not read like a press release to me. However, I find the coverage lacking in info on his political career. How did he become deputy finance minister? What did he do while in office? Time is running out.... -- PFHLai ( talk) 22:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Jose Concepcion Jr.

Template:ITN candidate Filipino industrialist, activist, and politician. 65.94.213.53 ( talk) 10:40, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article is of sufficient quality for RD. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 09:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted to RD. Spencer ^{T• C} 06:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Nick Sheridan

Template:ITN candidate

• Support No issues except that a lot of information is clumped together in one big paragraph, but the content itself is fine. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 09:24, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support slightly short but well sourced. I added paragraphs so that it wasn't one big block of texts. Abcmaxx ( talk) 17:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Two {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 12:35, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support The cn tags have been taken care of, so this has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 18:58, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 22:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Pigcasso

Template:ITN candidate South African painting pig. Death announced on 6 March. gobonobo ^{+ c} 14:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support, article looks very well rounded, hope she doesn't hog the main page. Martinevans123 ( talk) 14:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

No reference for death. Secretlondon ( talk) 14:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The Clarin news source given above has been used? Martinevans123 ( talk) 14:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Seems very notable. - Petjayso ( talk) 15:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Article looks well-sourced and ready to go. Moncoposig ( talk) 16:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support blurb We need a blurb for Picasso he is one of the most famous painters 2600:100F:B1BE:B43F:C83B:9B86:7653:A0F9 ( talk) 17:03, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  It's Pigcasso. The human version was already dead. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 17:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  He just died? Wow. I didn't know that. You are telling me now for the first time. He led an amazing life. What else can you say. I am sad to hear that. 2600:100F:B1B7:D4D9:8119:A4F1:7CD7:8BB ( talk) 17:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Yep, died of chronic rheumatoid arthritis, was struggling for months already. A sad end to a pretty unique and impactful life. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 17:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support RD, but can't support blurb (neutral), as cool as this pig is she sadly doesn't rise to the level of notability of her human alter ego. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 17:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Template:Small Martinevans123 ( talk) 17:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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• Posted –  Muboshgu ( talk) 18:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Mohammed Al-Sharekh

Template:ITN candidate Kuwaiti business magnate, founder of Sakhr Software Company. Jmanlucas ( talk) 08:44, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - Article seems well-sourced. - Bucket of sulfuric acid ( talk | contribs) 12:22, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support - Seems like a noteworthy person and a noteworthy death at that! - Petjayso ( talk) 14:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  "Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post" Secretlondon ( talk) 14:43, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Although the article has many short sections, the sourcing and quality is sufficient to post. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 23:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 22:03, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Pakistan floods

Template:ITN candidate Ainty Painty ( talk) 03:53, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Mild Support not sure if this is the most notable but I could see it getting nominated. Ion.want.uu ( talk) 05:11, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Weak oppose - While we don't have a specific death tally for natural disasters like this (or at least, none that I'm aware of), news like these very rarely get posted. Plus, the article could use a bit of work. - Bucket of sulfuric acid ( talk | contribs) 08:08, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT. Andrew🐉( talk) 08:32, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose on quality The article claims these are ongoing floods, but says: "At least 40 people were killed", not have been killed. Also, besides from making an unreferenced claim that the floods began on 29 February, the article does not mention any other dates, which means the claim that the floods are ongoing needs to be sourced. Gödel2200 ( talk) 13:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose on quality per above; article also feels rather barebones, consisting of a series of one or two-sentence statements. The Kip 05:51, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Steve Marsh (footballer)

Template:ITN candidate Australian rules footballer during the 1940s and 1950s. 65.94.213.53 ( talk) 11:01, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Multiple paragraphs in the Life and career section have zero footnotes. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 21:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support! I've taken care of the referencing issues. The only minor concern remaining is highlighted in my edit summary here, which I'd appreciate if it's taken care of. Otherwise, no other concerns; courtesy ping Template:U for the update! :) ~ Tails Wx ( 🐾, me!) 01:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Thanks, Tails Wx, for the new refs! -- PFHLai ( talk) 03:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Sufficient for RD. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 09:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 18:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Dalit Bandhu N. K. Jose

Template:ITN candidate Indian historian. 65.94.213.53 ( talk) 11:01, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Looks fine AGFing the Malalayam sources. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 09:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted to RD. Spencer ^{T• C} 06:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Dagmar Loe

Template:ITN candidate

Support Although short, the article is sufficiently well-sourced. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 23:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support per MtPenguinMonster. Jusdafax ( talk) 20:26, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• With only 257 words of prose, this wikibio seems a little stubby. Anything else write about the subject, please? -- PFHLai ( talk) 22:11, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• I have added a bit more (+ c.100 words). Oceanh ( talk) 02:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Thanks for the expansion, Oceanh. 400+ words now, comfortably in start class. -- PFHLai ( talk) 04:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Looks good. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 09:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 18:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Attention needed) RD: Shafiqah Hudson

Template:ITN candidate Death in February but news coverage dates to March 5. Innisfree987 ( talk) 09:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose Seems not noteworthy enough - Petjayso ( talk) 14:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Anything living with a Wikipedia article is notable enough for RD. MyriadSims ( talk) 14:30, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Weak support The previous oppose vote should be discarded. I'm currently leaning towards support but the article could use a little expansion. Jmanlucas ( talk) 17:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• With only 273 words of prose, this wikibio seems a little stubby. Anything else write about the subject, please? -- PFHLai ( talk) 22:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Weak support This article has enough references & just barely enough details. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 04:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Linda Balgord

Template:ITN candidate

• Oppose Career section too brief; insufficient depth of coverage. Spencer ^{T• C} 05:46, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Looks good length and well-cited. Abcmaxx ( talk) 17:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Solihin G. P.

Template:ITN candidate Juxlos ( talk) 06:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support The article seems well-sourced and of sufficiently good quality. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 11:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support The last living general to fought in the Indonesian National Revolution. RIP. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:52, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article looks well-sourced and ready to go. Moncoposig ( talk) 13:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Article seems good to go Editor 5426387 ( talk) 13:53, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 22:51, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: James Hedges

Template:ITN candidate Jon698 ( talk) 21:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - Well sourced and no tags. Jusdafax ( talk) 20:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted to RD. Spencer ^{T• C} 05:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) State of emergency in Haiti

Template:ITN candidate Staraction ( talk | contribs) 21:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support altblurb on notability as this is arguably the worst the crisis has been since the President was assassinated; however, oppose on quality as the article hasn't been updated seemingly since late December. The Kip 22:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• I've written a little bit about the new state of emergency on the originally nominated article - see Gang war in Haiti#2024 prison storming. If another article is used, please feel free to transfer what I've written over under WP:CWW!

Staraction ( talk | contribs) 22:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose on quality due to there being only two paragraphs about the event in the article. I'm not sure on notability, but will reassess when more details are added to the article. Support on notability Article has been significantly expanded, and this seems to be notable enough. Gödel2200 ( talk) 00:59, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support, highly notable security crisis with national and international implications. Marquisate ( talk) 01:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support, as this is a major escalation in the already dire situation of the conflict AG AGR280 ( talk) 03:55, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support on notability, although I think the prison storming should be its separate article (more than 4700 escapees, by the way). Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 04:10, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Did try to create separate article - however I removed references to it since it has less detail than the Gang war in Haiti article at this point. Ought I add it back? 2024 gang violence in Haiti Staraction ( talk | contribs) 04:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Still good to have it on hand (likely as an altblurb) if it gets expanded in time. Also you could add Template:Tl from Gang war in Haiti#2024 prison storming to the new article! Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 04:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support altblurb. Notable enough and article looks ready to go, if the section covering the current riots is a bit short. Moncoposig ( talk) 04:31, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support as this has been one of the worst events in human history Ion.want.uu ( talk) 04:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support here- though I'll be requesting that the current article about the events is changed to fit the fact that much more than a jailbreak has happened, it's still a very notable event - presidentofyes, the super aussa man 11:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support although 2024 Haitian jailbreak should probably be the target article, rather than Gang war in Haiti#2024 prison storming. That article is just about good enough to be on the front page, and could incorporate some of the extra info listed on Gang war in Haiti#2024 prison storming. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support altblurb - per all above Abo Yemen ✉ 11:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Needs work The lead of the nominated article says nothing about the recent developments. Andrew🐉( talk) 13:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I've added some to the lead of the nominated article - let me know if I'm missing anything. Staraction ( talk | contribs) 15:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Step hen 00:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Shouldn't the blurb link to the specific jailbreak rather than the article on the overall conflict? It has a dedicated article at 2024 Haitian jailbreak. Tube· of· Light 02:29, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  When originally posted, that dedicated article was in bad shape - however it has been significantly improved since, and I think this is a good idea now Staraction ( talk | contribs) 07:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) France adopts abortion rights in constitution

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate While a larger celebration is due this Friday on Int'l Women's Rights Day, the passage completes the process today. Holding off to Friday is not unreasonable. Masem ( t) 18:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support on notability, oppose on quality This is notable enough as France is the first ever modern country to place abortion rights in their constitution. But the Abortion in France article is nowhere near ready. Besides for massive sourcing issues, the article doesn't actually mention the enshrinement yet. I will also note that the prevalance section is outdated, only giving dates up until 2020. Gödel2200 ( talk) 19:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Trying to nominate this via mobile, I was hoping to find a better article on it. Willing to find a better target here. —  Masem ( t) 19:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Alternative could be Constitution of France. Brandmeister ^talk 19:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I'm not that familiar with how legislation works in France, but was this an actual bill that was being voted on, or was the vote explicitly for the change in the constitution? If it was the former, we could just make an article for that bill, which could then be the target. If the latter, as per Brandmeister, we could target the Constitution of France article. While that article does need a bit of work (and an update about the enshrinement), it is of far better quality than the Abortion in France article. Gödel2200 ( talk) 19:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• • What about Constitutional amendments under the French Fifth Republic? Seems of better quality than Constitution of France, and is also more direct. There would have to be some edits to the article, however - there's currently no mention of the new abortion rights clause in the article. Staraction ( talk | contribs) 21:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
    • I've added some bare-bones mention of the new amendment in Constitutional amendments under the French Fifth Republic - however they definitely need more work to be included in ITN. Staraction ( talk | contribs) 21:37, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment Sources indicate that France isn't actually the first country to do so (the first was former Yugoslavia with its 1974 constitution), but rather the first modern country or something like that. Brandmeister ^talk 19:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I wouldn't say that an amendment from the same decade as Roe v Wade is not part of modern history. If Yugoslavia did have a constitutional right to abortion, then "first post-Iron Curtain country" is not really a massive claim. Still support as unusual, even if not first. Unknown Temptation ( talk) 20:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

    FYI, Yugoslavia was not beyond the Iron Curtain (except for a brief 2-year period from 1946 to 1948). Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 04:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  • According to AP [22] https://apnews.com/article/france-abortion-right-constitution-parliament-vote-versailles-d6ce4fb3a6a7288033f58235b65f570e, it looks like the former Yugoslavian constitution guaranteed the right to "decide on having children", not explicitly an abortion - however the Yugoslavian constitution still was interpreted to protect abortions. Staraction ( talk | contribs) 21:38, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  The Guardian changed the article (correction): «The headline of this article was amended on 4 March 2024 to remove an incorrect reference that France is the first country in the world to enshrine abortion as a constitutional right.» Proeksad ( talk) 17:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Maybe they've seen our comments here... Brandmeister ^talk 18:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support on notability, oppose on quality per above. The Yugoslav constitution is ambiguous enough that I think France's decision is notable. The Kip 21:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support on notability. As Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore, France is only the first currently existing country to have it, but still notable. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 04:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support as per above Ion.want.uu ( talk) 04:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support as per above PrinceofPunjab ^TALK 05:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose ...until we have an article on this actual event. Having it buried in as a minor part of another article isn't good enough. HiLo48 ( talk) 05:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ITN does not require a separate article for any event, just that there is a significant update to an existing article (which is lacking presently). —  Masem ( t) 13:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose - a blurb is proposed, but there is no specific article about this event, actually there isn't even a named paragraph in the suggested article. 51.154.145.205 ( talk) 07:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose on quality the article suggested is Abortion in France, which has multiple orange tags and doesn't have a specific section on this event. If we get an article on this event (or substantial content about it in another article that also doesn't have multiple orange tags), and that meets WP:ITNQUALITY, then it and only then would it be worth considering whether or not to post this. I'm confused as to how anyone can just vote support when there isn't even an article for this. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 13:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  The section "21st century liberalization" in Abortion in France covers this (going back to Dobbs in 2022 when the bill to change the constitution was introduced, for two paragraphs, but it definitely could be expanded). Masem ( t) 13:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  It has 2 short paragraphs totalling 908 characters about it (excluding the mention of Yugoslavia that isn't sourced)- that's not enough. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 16:34, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose - Both on quality and notability. I don't really see how a domestic constitutional amendment is notable enough for ITN. PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 13:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  It is similar to how we've posted first countries in specific regions to support gay marriage. It's the first country to specifically call out abortion rights as protected, which is a milestone for women's rights. If it was the second or third to do so, yes, it wouldn't be so significant. Masem ( t) 13:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Yeah but I feel it draws on quite an arbitrary metric which is 'codified in the constitution'. Almost nothing has changed in actual French abortion law. We shouldn't automatically post "first to enact law" countries unless it has an excessive amount of notability. Even if you think this is a milestone for women's rights, I still don't see the justification for posting this. Barely any news coverage outside of domestic French politics, as well as the article only being two sentences. PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 13:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  I agree. There is massive variation in what a constitution is around the world. In my country, Australia, abortion is fully legal everywhere, but I don't believe it's the kind of thing that could ever go in the country's constitution. It's just not what our constitution is for. I'm sure similar situations exist elsewhere. So abortion in Australia is already as legal as it can be, but that didn't appear in ITN. HiLo48 ( talk) 20:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose. Abortion was already legal and widely available in France. Quite how that is codified (law vs constitution) is a technical detail. This is a largely symbolic step that has more to do with domestic political posturing than any real change in access to abortion. The nominated article is a mess, the update is minimal, and the 'first' being claimed here is both questionable and unimpressive. Modest Genius ^talk 16:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Couldn't have said it bettter myself PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 16:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose, per Modest Genius. Cambalachero ( talk) 16:22, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose per Modest Genius. Nothing substantive has changed and ITN is not in the business of promoting political theatre. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 17:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support - would we oppose blurbing a ratified amendment to the US Constitution? Almost certainly not. Although this may not actually affect things in France, it's still notable and worthy of a blurb. -- Rockstone ^{Send me a message!} 00:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Lean support being the first amendment to the French constitution in over 15 years: a notable gap given how often it used to be amended before then (6 times in 5 years at one point!). — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 00:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose because nothing actually changed. Abortion was already legal in France and has been since 1975. Distinction without a difference here. nableezy - 01:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support For fairly obvious reasons. France is the beacon of liberty for humanity once again Kasperquickly ( talk) 18:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• I suppose what changes is that any attempts to de-constitutionalize (is that even a word) abortion will be harder than by simply amending statutes. So, something changed, but is not readily apparent, more so if you have a dick. Howard the Duck ( talk) 18:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose per Modest Genius. Jusdafax ( talk) 20:43, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Closed) Supreme Court rules Trump must appear on Colorado's ballot

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate IntoThinAir ( talk) 16:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose. When the election happens, we'll post the winner as a blurb. There's no need for updates on who even appears on the ballot. We never post the winners of the party nomination primaries, for example. Modest Genius ^talk 16:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• I think this rather makes the case to have the 2024 U.S. presidential election campaign as ongoing. The twists and turns are piling up. BD2412 T 16:46, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I'm not intrinsically opposed to putting major election campaigns in ongoing, but I think this proposal is premature. We should only put the US election there at the earliest when both parties have definitively chosen their candidates; likewise the UK one only when parliament is dissolved. Otherwise we'll be overflowing. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 17:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose largely per Modest Genius. Supreme Court decisions from any country are rarely posted and this does not fundamentally alter any constructional law. Beyond which this is just part of the evolving story of the 2024 presidential election. I am ambivalent on whether or not to add the election to ongoing. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 16:51, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose per "not every US election-related thing is notable", also oppose having an Ongoing item as many countries have election campaigns and having only this one featured would be pretty blatant US bias. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 17:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose because, effectively, nothing changed. Trump was and remains on the ballot. I would have supported it if he was removed. Johndavies837 ( talk) 17:37, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose - A purely administrative decision affecting one candidate in one state's poll for the presidency. We absolutely should not cover such minutiae at ITN. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 17:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose. I think Trump being disqualified would have been ITN-worthy, but this ruling was expected. Jessintime ( talk) 17:43, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Juli Lynne Charlot

Template:ITN candidate Staraction ( talk | contribs) 02:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose There's an orange tag indicating multiple issues. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 11:11, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• There are a handful of {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 20:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • One {cn} tag remaining, thanks to recent edits by Template:U. -- PFHLai ( talk) 10:16, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 18:45, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support, basically re-wrote the article and removed a lot of cruft. Looks good to go now! ~ Tails Wx ( 🐾, me!) 18:46, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 21:14, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Eleanor Collins

Template:ITN candidate Canadian jazz singer, television host and civic leader. Known as "Canada's first lady of jazz". Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 10:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - article is over-cited, if anything (though I assume there's nothing bad about that?) ✈ mike_gigs ^talk _contribs 14:01, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Article looks good to go. Moncoposig ( talk) 14:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 02:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Chris Mortensen

Template:ITN candidate 240F:7A:6253:1:2DDA:5B3F:E171:D64F ( talk) 04:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose for now I think the article is giving undue weight to Deflategate and his undisclosed ad tweet in relation to the rest of his biography. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 04:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• There are still a handful of {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 20:28, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support This article has enough details & references. I don’t think it has any problems w/undue weight at this point. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 23:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 23:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Ed Ott

Template:ITN candidate –  Muboshgu ( talk) 00:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - Article is well-sourced, untagged and of acceptable length. Jusdafax ( talk) 00:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support - well cited ✈ mike_gigs ^talk _contribs 13:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 02:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: U. L. Washington

Template:ITN candidate –  Muboshgu ( talk) 18:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose It's close but the three cn tags should be fixed. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 09:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support got the three CNs. The rest looks good. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support - looks good now ✈ mike_gigs ^talk _contribs 13:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment Template:Section link is outstanding.— Bagumba ( talk) 06:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

That's a real splitting hairs discussion that is not material to the decision on quality here. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:01, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

There was originally a Cn tag there on recently added material before the discussion was started. [23] I'm not saying it's a showstopper or not. — Bagumba ( talk) 12:36, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

You say that, but here you are stopping the show. By pointing out an unsettled discussion started by...YOU...after the CN was addressed. Regarding a matter of remarkably low significance. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support The article is of good enough quality now. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 00:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Step hen 22:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) Pakistan New PM

Template:ITN candidate Ainty Painty ( talk) 08:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support altblurb, OR altblurb IV The election has faced allegations of rigging, supported by numerous reputable sources [can be found on election page]. These allegations have prompted the creation of a standalone WP page dedicated to documenting the irregularities at Allegations of rigging in the 2024 Pakistani general election. so It's crucial that WP highlight these concerns about the election integrity. Altblurb can be re-worded though. -- Saqib ( talk) 09:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Is it necessary? There has been elections before with allegations of rigging but that was not featured in the alt blurb. Like USA 2020 or Russian interference in the UK 2019 election. Haris920 ( talk) 10:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Yes it is. Reports from both local and international media have highlighted significant allegations of rigging, to the extent that there's now a standalone WP article dedicated to documenting it. Here's the gist: PTI declined to form a government, despite coalition offers from PPP. -- Saqib ( talk) 11:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Rigging has been happening for years in Pakistan. The rigging in this election makes no major difference. Every election gets rigged and manipulated. Did Zad really win in 2008? Nawaz 2013? PTI is only complaining as this is the first time they are on the wrong side of the rigging. Haris920 ( talk) 16:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

While it's true that past elections hav been marred by rigging but I would say we shouldn't dwell on history and focus on this election because each and every election has its own unique circumstances & this one is no exception. For me, the pre-poll rigging was particularly unique or rather interesting this time around. one of the largest political parties barred from contesting, and its leader jailed and despite this, the party or its candidates emerged with the most seats in the parliament yet still was not unable to form a government. Sounds 1970 Pakistani general election to me. My comment might imply a biased agenda, which is not my intention as I'm neither a voter nor a supporter of PTI. However, it's important to acknowledge the extensive and ample coverage backing up the claims of rigging in this election by independent reliable sources, despite the prevalent censorship in Pakistan. Therefore, it's equally important for us to reflect this accurately. -- Saqib ( talk) 20:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note By the way for those who don't know this ITN was proposed right after election last month> Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/February_2024#(READY)_2024_Pakistani_elections. -- Saqib ( talk) 11:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support original blurb Unless elections are truly undemocratic, we don't include anything about it in blurbs, just name the successor, to prevent any politicising/any appearance of political POV. (I.e. he's in charge now, it would be wrong to use wikivoice to suggest anything at all about the appointment, not least that it might be illegitimate.) Kingsif ( talk) 11:09, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

It's a coalition government though. and original blur should reflect that-- Saqib ( talk) 11:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support altblurb as it captures the essence of the event in a clear way. The rigging is certainly sigificant, given the existing political crisis, there is no reason not to mention it. Article should be good to go. Pksois23 ( talk) 13:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment We absolutely should not include the allegations of rigging in the blurb as those are exactly what's being said, allegations, not confirmation. Its a territory that needs the context of a full article to get into, not something that is appropriate for a blurb. -- Masem ( t) 15:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Proposed and Support Alt4. This acknowledges the PTI aspect of the election, but does not include the "rigging" concerns, which, like with elections that we consider to not be "free and fair", this information will be in the article and we can let the readers come to this conclusion organically. DarkSide830 ( talk) 16:52, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  It does have the word "despite" which, in a contextless blurb, can read as Wikipedia having a view of the outcome. Kingsif ( talk) 18:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support original blurb: As it is most neutral and concise. Rigging allegations have been part of almost all Pakistani elections in the past. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support ALT4 Despite the rigging allegations being an important part of the news, we’ve posted plenty of non-free/fair elections without such wording, and now’s not the time to change that. PTI note is good to include though, seeing as Sharif’s party is not the largest party in parliament. The Kip 19:33, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose mentioning rigging as these are only allegations for now, and that's not a wording we usually go with. Oppose the wording of alt4 (which is factually wrong, they did not win a majority) and alt5, but would support mentioning that this is a coalition government (thus why "winning a plurality" doesn't necessarily matter), ie support alt6. If that's not possible, support original blurb. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 19:52, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support alt6, oppose on quality This seems to me to be the most factually accurate of the blurbs, and we don't need to mention allegations (not confirmation) of electoral fraud. That being said, the article currently has a mostly unsourced awards section, making it not ready to go. It might be good to mention the allegations of fraud in conjunction with protests due to the allegations. So far, I don't think they are notable enough, as there is only a medium-sized section about them. Gödel2200 ( talk) 20:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Ping Thanks for the heads up. Check out Allegations_of_rigging_in_the_2024_Pakistani_general_election#Protests -- Saqib ( talk) 22:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the expansion. However, I think we should only mention the protests if it is clear that they have had significant impacts (which the article currently doesn't indicate), and ideally if they get their own article. Gödel2200 ( talk) 22:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• oppose alts III–V as grammatically incorrect (‘winning majority seats’, ‘although…winning’); further oppose the inclusion of any definitive claim that the PTI won a majority, including alt IV as presently unsourced (although I personally think the claim is plausible); and support some mention of vote-rigging allegations and/or the PTI’s winning a plurality of seats. Docentation ( talk) 20:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted Step hen 22:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Template:U, the blurb needs correction as "PML-N President Shehbaz Sharif, who is the joint candidate of the newly-formed eight-party alliance" — Dawn | Mfarazbaig ( talk) 07:25, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Template:Ping Mind breaking this down for me. -- Saqib ( talk) 09:51, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

What are you on about? Step hen 10:26, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I meant you removed the mention of coalition. -- Saqib ( talk) 11:44, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Template:Question shouldn't it be 're-appointed', since he previously held the position? Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 20:59, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Mark F. Giuliano

Template:ITN candidate

• Posted Step hen 02:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Jim Beard

Template:ITN candidate 240F:7A:6253:1:151D:C1A1:E591:E51F ( talk) 09:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• This wikibio has 600+ words of prose, but the first footnote is at the end of the final sentence on the subject's death????? Discography after the prose is also unsourced. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 13:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose correctly orange tagged as needing lots more sources. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 20:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support This article has enough references now. Good job Template:U. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 09:17, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Looks good. Thriley ( talk) 19:58, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 20:03, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Tim Ecclestone

Template:ITN candidate Canadian professional ice hockey left winger and coach. 65.94.213.53 ( talk) 07:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN after my edits. — Bloom6132 ( talk) 09:46, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Looks to be of sufficient quality. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 20:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 22:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 09:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Janice Burgess

Template:ITN candidate Nickelodeon executive notable for creating The Backyardigans, death announced on March 5th. Mr. Lechkar ( talk) 14:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Looks good enough. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 20:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 22:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted – Schwede 66 02:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

RD: Jaclyn Jose

Template:ITN candidate Cannes Best Actress awardee in 2016 for Ma' Rosa, but better known in the Philippines for her roles in the TV series Mula sa Puso (1997–1999) and Mundo Mo'y Akin (2013). Died on 2 March, but her death was only reported on 3 March. Article looks to have been significantly improved compared to its state a few days ago, although some {cn} tags remain and some sections need to have additional citations. Vida0007 ( talk) 18:02, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose There's an orange tag, a CN tag and the filmography and awards section need citations. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 20:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• So many short paragraphs with three sentences of less, but zero footnotes. So many boxes after the prose in need of sourcing. Please add more REFs. -- PFHLai ( talk) 09:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) Brit Awards 2024

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Heatrave ( talk) 21:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose Article doesn't have enough prose on the ceremony itself, and anyways, I'm not sure if these awards are at the standard of the Grammys (currently the only music awards show listed at WP:ITNR). The Kip 22:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ The Kip a few days ago, Oppenheimer was featured in ITN as it won the British Academy Awards so i don't think the Grammy standards should apply here. If that's the case, then only news EGOT will apply. Heatrave ( talk) 08:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose - I believe the 2024 Brit Awards concluded two days ago [24] https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-68458923 (BBC article updated two days ago), and the Wikipedia article itself states the awards were 2 March 2024 Staraction ( talk | contribs) 22:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• I've moved it to the correct date. Black Kite (talk) 22:20, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose I believe this has been posted before, but this article is in no shape to appear on the main page, as apart from the multiple lack of citations, there is actually no prose about the ceremony itself, which is probably best as it was pretty much universally panned for being generally terrible. Black Kite (talk) 22:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose As per above, the article has no prose about the event, and has various sourcing issues. Gödel2200 ( talk) 00:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Søren Pape Poulsen

Template:ITN candidate Danish politician. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 20:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Article is of decent quality, but it would be ideal to fix the one cn the article does have. Gödel2200 ( talk) 21:04, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Weird way for such a notable politician to go. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang ( talk) 00:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Almost another Hasan Bitmez deal. InedibleHulk ( talk) 00:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support Sure, some might doubt he succeeded the elusive Johannes Stensgaard in '09, but I don't. InedibleHulk ( talk) 01:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Happy to report that, while I should've been working, I dug through the Wayback Machine and found a page from the Danish government listing past mayors of Viborg. The page has since been broken by a redesign, but lo and behold, Mr. Stensgaard is listed just before Mr. Pape Poulsen. I've added the reference. Pinging User:InedibleHulk, User:Gödel2200. MAINEiac4434 ( talk) 21:05, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  That's some fine confirmation, thanks. InedibleHulk ( talk) 03:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Step hen 22:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Eugene Wijeysingha

Template:ITN candidate – robertsky ( talk) 09:13, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Weak Support The article is sufficiently well-sourced, but it is short. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 11:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support - short, but sourced and probably good enough Pksois23 ( talk) 13:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 01:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: John Okafor

Template:ITN candidate Popular Nollywood actor. There are still a couple of passages marked as needing citations. gobonobo ^{+ c} 22:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose - poorly written and poorly cited article Pksois23 ( talk) 07:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support Looks like CN tags are addressed and is now very-well sourced Jmanlucas ( talk) 02:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 22:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) Sinking of the Rubymar

Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate I'm not the best at making blurbs so i wouldn't mind alt blurbs Abo Yemen ✉ 15:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose as this is covered by the Red Sea crisis item in ongoing. Gödel2200 ( talk) 15:11, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose covered by ongoing. The Kip 15:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment. The military bit is covered by ongoing as mentioned by Goedel2200 and The Kip, true, however, I feel this is newsworthy as an environmental situation. I boldly therefore propose the altblurb for everyone's consideration. -- Ouro ( blah blah) 15:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Besides from the fact that the article is a stub, this environmental disaster is actually also covered by ongoing (it is listed in the same paragraph in the Red Sea crisis article where the sinking of the ship is listed). I am also concerned that the altblurb misrepresents where the word "environmental disaster" is used by RS's. As far as I can tell, the only RS's listed that use "environmental disaster" in the article for the environmental impact of the Red Sea crisis were from before the sinking (actually, the sinking isn't even mentioned in the environmental impact article). Gödel2200 ( talk) 16:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose - Covered by ongoing. GenevieveDEon ( talk) 15:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment This article is nommed for DYK, as an alternate if the ITN nom is covered by ongoing. Fritzmann ( message me) 15:31, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  While I think there is an argument for ITN, I do think that the subject would make for an interesting DYK blurb that is also not clickbait or shock value, and that DYK could probably do with more of those. So, if the two parts of MP want to work together, I might suggest focus on the DYK. Kingsif ( talk) 16:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose covered by ongoing, Editor 5426387 ( talk) 16:14, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose first blurb by ongoing, oppose altblurb on quality of the article linked, would support if it was made an article about that specific sinking's environmental effects rather than the weird one-section general topic article it currently is (which mentions the previous attack on the ship but not the current sinking). Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 17:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose Non-notable ship (likely due to its small size), and event should be covered by ongoing. Because of the non-notability of the ship, I question the need for the article rather than a summary of the sinking in an appropriate location within the ongoing article, but that's not an issue to resolve here. -- Masem ( t) 19:08, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose Good faith nom, but covered by ongoing. I'd support this in DYK per Kingsif. Moncoposig ( talk) 20:17, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose This is covered by “Ongoing”. However, it could be a good article for “DYK”. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 23:02, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose as this is covered by Ongoing. -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 00:09, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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(Posted) RD: Iris Apfel

Template:ITN candidate Well sourced. 240F:7A:6253:1:B811:95D6:3052:1B00 ( talk) 02:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply

2 CN tags but otherwise well-cited. JM ( talk) 05:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support. Tags now resolved. Innisfree987 ( talk) 06:33, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support per above. JM ( talk) 06:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support article is surprisingly well sourced. Artistic woman with an exceptional long career. Cart (talk) 08:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support Article is good enough for RD. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 12:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support no issues, solid sourcing, article is long enough. Mooonswimmer 23:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Posted— Bagumba ( talk) 11:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) RD: Erling Folkvord

Template:ITN candidate Norwegian politician. Article is a GA. Scientia potentia est, Monarch OfTerror 20:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Weak support Article is a fully-cited GA, but there’s almost nothing on what he did between the 2009 elections and his death (a period of 15ish years). The Kip 01:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Is he active after 2009? Retired and nothing to write about? -- PFHLai ( talk) 09:47, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support suitable article for RD. Ollieisanerd ( talk • contribs) 19:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support This article has enough details & references. WRT what he did after 2009, I found a reference that said that he left the Oslo City Council in 2011. Also, the “Authorship” section has info about multiple books written after 2009. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 23:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support Article is of sufficiently good quality to post -- MtPenguinMonster ( talk) 11:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted. -- PFHLai ( talk) 16:23, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Posted) Dhaka building fire

Template:ITN candidate Ainty Painty ( talk) 04:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose on quality as the article is poorly-developed at the moment. Weak support on notability, though I could be convinced the other way. The Kip 04:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose on quality too short, empty section. JM ( talk) 05:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Conditional Support* Needs some work but this is something that definitely should have made the "In the News." X ( talk) 08:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT. Andrew🐉( talk) 09:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose as the article does not indicate this event will have a lasting impact. Gödel2200 ( talk) 12:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose on quality too short and lacks detail. Although support on notability once that is fixed. Pksois23 ( talk) 13:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose on quality, not a lot of detail about the fire and its a short article. Support on notability once issues are resolved. Unknown-Tree🌲? ( talk) 16:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose on quality– the article isn't ready at all at this moment, atleast for news blurb. Support on notability because this kind of incidents (also very less severe if it happens in the US) have been included in the past. Zeeshan Y Tariq 20:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support on notability, oppose on quality. Article needs more work. -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 21:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose Without any way to further expand this article (comparable to how lengthy the Grenfell Tower fire due to its investigation), this is a run-of-the-mill unfortunate disaster that is more appropriate to a list article rather than standalone. -- Masem ( t) 19:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Comment/Support although the article is short and somewhat lacks detail I think it is well sourced and could probably barely pass WP:ITNQUALITY. I know this is kind of an insignificant issue but ITN has been sort of quiet these days. Pksois23 ( talk) 13:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support It looks like the article’s quality is good enough now & this is notable enough to blurb. Template:Ping Would you support posting it now? Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 02:48, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  @ Blaylockjam10 Support on my part. I think the article is okay now. Although there's room for way more improvement, but IMO the current state is enough to warrant a blurb. X ( talk) 09:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

  Mid support: It still has a lot of space for improvement but probably enough to be included in the ITN. Zeeshan Y Tariq ( talk) 12:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Posted Step hen 22:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC) reply

(Closed) Al-Rashid humanitarian aid incident

Template:Atop Template:Contentious topics/talk notice Template:ITN candidate Covered largely in international media. Lukt64 ( talk) 17:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose for largely the same reasons I said below: covered by ongoing and non-NPOV blurb. Once again, not a good sign for NPOV when the nominator uses the heading "massacre" while nominating an article using "incident" (since changed as of 20:19). Also, nominated on the wrong day. JM ( talk) 20:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Proposed altblurb and added more sources. Still oppose as ongoing. JM ( talk) 20:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

My altblurb was removed as "euphemistic" despite virtually matching the article's current opening sentence ( Template:Tq) so I suppose that alternative is out of the question then. JM ( talk) 05:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Weak Oppose although this is certainly notable on its own, this is covered by ongoing, Editor 5426387 ( talk) 21:09, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose Covered by ongoing. -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 21:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose While I do concur with the argument that this is covered by ongoing, it would be good to have some prose about this event added to the Israel-Hamas war page. As far as I can tell, there is only a see also mention to the article in the Gaza famine section. Gödel2200 ( talk) 22:28, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Template:Cmt While "Russian invasion of Ukraine" has its timeline article on the main page, why doesn't the same occur with "Israel–Hamas war"? There is a timeline article: Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by RodRabelo7 ( talk • contribs) 23:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine was specifically added to ongoing because the main article for the Russian invasion of Ukraine was not getting daily updates, while the timeline was. The Israel-Hamas war articles is getting daily updates, so I think we are fine leaving it as it is. Gödel2200 ( talk) 23:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose covered by ongoing. The Kip 00:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Oppose as covered by Ongoing, but support adding it to the Israel-Hamas war page as per Gödel. Chaotıċ Enby ( talk · contribs) 17:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Support on notability, but it should be noted that a stampede also occurred While this is covered by “Ongoing” & should be added to the Israel-Hamas war article, this is significant enough to be blurbable. However, the stampede should also be mentioned. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 06:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Support with stampede mentioned - Per @ Blaylockjam10 PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 18:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Oppose covered by ongoing. _-_Alsor ( talk) 19:38, 3 March 2024 (UTC) reply
• Neutral – I think this can be suitably covered in Israel-Hamas war#Gaza famine, though the article looks really good and its definitely of appropriate significance as a single event. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 09:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

• Support per Blaylockjam10. – Jiaminglimjm ( talk) 23:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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