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hey! I'm just curious what you think about my contributions at the Teahouse—I want to make sure I'm giving the best advice possible. It's good that other editors give different perspectives on the same advice and say things in different ways, but I want to be sure there's not a sense where other hosts have to "fill in the gaps" for me, per se. Cheers!
Remsense留 21:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Nothing about your comments stands out at me as problematic right now so you're probably doing pretty good.
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talk) 21:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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I find myself wondering about the utility of chiding people requesting unblocks for not using Wikipedia jargon correctly. I'm not sure how it helps at all to point out to a requestor that "blocking" and "banning" mean two different things within Wikipedia; all they know is that they're no longer allowed to edit, and the fine difference between the two of them doesn't have any bearing on their situation. Likewise, lecturing them on the terminology "page" vs. "article" doesn't really provide any useful clarification to the naive new users who only know they've been prevented from putting up the information they desire. Were I a blocked user, I'd be nothing but annoyed by such marginally relevant (and condescending) instructions. Maybe I'm wrong about this?
--jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 19:32, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I will admit that personally I try to be precise with language and it helps everyone to be on the same page, but perhaps there are times I should let that slide. I do think there is a tendency (especially amongst promotional editors) to treat or view a "page" differently than they would treat an "article", so I do sometimes point that out, but certainly if someone appears to not have English as their main language I would avoid doing so.
331dot (
talk) 19:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I am not attempting to be condescending; just trying to provide clarity and help people out/
331dot (
talk) 19:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I know you are, but I've never seen a response from a requesting editor to indicate any understanding of the corrections. And among the established community, we often use "page" and "article" pretty much interchangeably; after all, it is a Wikipedia page, and Wikipedia pages in mainspace happen to be articles. So they're not wrong when they say "pages" -- they're just being imprecise. Maybe something like "Wikipedia pages are more than just pages -- they are articles, and they have particular requirements to be included in Wikipedia" might be helpful? I dunno. But the terminology is the least of their problems if they're blocked.
--jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 19:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I've had a few say "oh thanks, I didn't know" (nothing I could pull up right now) but that's neither here nor there. I appreciate your viewpoint and comments and I will take it under consideration.
331dot (
talk) 19:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I've always smiled when I've seen
331dot hit that pedantric tune. However, I do agree that a change in wording might better score a run. Words have meanings and are important. Getting the point across is also important. I know I've caught myself and had to backspace out the word "page" and replace it with "article" when I'm explaining, though less so more recently particularly because I've seen 331dot kindly chastise a problem user so frequently. -
UtherSRG(talk) 19:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Possibly, but preemptively?
331dot (
talk) 16:29, 22 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Don't know the answer to that one. Presumably, user sent a series of emails? Anyway, I thought I addressed the very good reasons for blocking them in my decline. Please unblock if you disagree. Thanks for all you do.
-- Deepfriedokra (
talk) 16:40, 22 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Vandalism on Sjsjsjsisisisisk's talk page
Hey,
User:Sjsjsjsisisisisk is repeatedly reverting block notices. This is like the 10th time I've reverted him, is there anything that can be done (I have reported him to
administrator intervention against vandalism already, but as he is already blocked it is removed by the bot that patrols AVI.
Might be worth an unblock. Happy with whatever you think, though.
331dot (
talk) 13:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Appeal for Axel Söderqvist draft
Hello, you denied my draft about Axel Söderqvist, for not having any sources about him. However, the source i provided called lagstatistik is an individualized source that documents his specific footballing appearances?
987123Wiki123 (
talk) 17:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)reply
987123Wiki123 That's not exactly why I declined it. I declined it because the two sources you provided do not have significant coverage of this person that shows what makes them important/significant/influential- what Wikipedia calls the
definition of a notable person. We don't want a mere documentation of the person's activities, we need a summary of independent
reliable sources that discuss the person in depth.
331dot (
talk) 17:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I never
broiled a pork shoulder steak before. Hope it came out alright. Temp 164F . Best
-- Deepfriedokra (
talk) 18:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC)reply
user MaineDomesticViolence
For what it's worth, the blocked editor never answered this question
[1]. Probably doesn't matter now, as the other account looks dormant. Cheers,
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Could you check the current unblock request. I had reblocked two weeks ago as I felt I had unblocked in error, and it languishes. Could you see if it's adequate for unblocking? Thanks
-- Deepfriedokra (
talk) 09:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, they need to find something else to edit about.
331dot (
talk) 09:43, 2 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your
unblock. I'm a low-frequency editor WikiSloth, I honestly just raised it because I thought it was weird for people on trains being blanket-banned from editing even if their accounts have a history of good citizenship, not because I was in dire need of a personal unblock. I guess that means I only wasted your time; I'm super sorry about that! v_v Thank you for unblocking me, though! I appreciate that kindness. Have a wonderful day. ♥ -
pinkgothic (
talk) 17:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Third-party unblock request
I wanted to discuss with you third-party unblock request. I understand that the sanctions "ban" and "block" are different, and I used the word "ban" not in a sense similar to that of Wikipedia topic ban, but in a meaning of to "prohibit". I refer to
/info/en/?search=User_talk:BeingObjective#c-331dot-20240207102700-December_2023
I wanted to ask to unblock the user. What can you recommend?
Maxim Masiutin (
talk) 10:32, 7 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Maxim Masiutin Unblock requests must come from the blocked user themselves. I'm not sure what your interest with this user is, but if you want to discuss Bbb23's block with them, you should do so as non-unblock request comments(just pinging them should do it) on that user's talk page. (I initally said you should go to Bbb23's page directly, which you could, but the affected user's talk page is probably better.)
331dot (
talk) 10:38, 7 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I messed the users 331dot and Bbb23 because they looked similar, as an alphanumeric combination, so I mixed up the usernames. However, if you think that there is no reason to unblock the user after a few months have passed, than there will be no unambiguous consensus, so the user Bbb23 will probably notice the same patterns of behavior as you noticed. I am not an administrator and don't have experience or understanding on how to analyze the user's behaviour to make a conclusion that you made, or other administrator can make upon a reasonable review of the user's behaviour. Thank you again for your time, and sorry that I mixed up the usernames.
Maxim Masiutin (
talk) 10:55, 7 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Oh, I see now. No problem. Thanks for your message.
331dot (
talk) 10:56, 7 February 2024 (UTC)reply
You also asked on what my interest with this user is. My interest is solely in his expert knowledge and ability to dedicate time to editing medical articles. I found out that Wikipedia is somewhat harsh on measures. Theoretically, the rules state that minimally sufficient penalty should be applied, i.e. if there are two penalties that could prevent further bad behaviour, the lessser penalty of the two should be applied. Unfortunately
User:BeingObjective got permanent block. I also cooperated with user
User:Maneesh on medical articles, but he got permanent topic ban that practically blocked him from editing medical articles that we were working on, as these articles were related to sex hormones and other issues related to sex. I myself got permanent block on German wikipedia, mainly for using automated translation tools, although I asked a lesser penalty, such as an ability to edit in a sandbox only but not in the main userspace, and there were users who wrote they were willing to cooperate with me. Therefore, I think that Wikipedia is practically applying harsher penalties when there are alternatives, and I am concerned about it. I don't know why
User:BeingObjective was blocked, and whether sanctions applied to him were proportional, because each case is different, but his contributions for the medical articles I was working on were valuable. I sometimes need a peer to check my edits, and I cannot find one, so
User:BeingObjective was such a peer. That is the essence of my interest in unblocking. However, the interest of all Wikipedia community should be considered, and, especially the goal of making good encyclopedia should be considered as the primary goal. We are not a social network, we write Wikipedia. Therefore, all the pros and cons should be weighted on each particular case. I'm not competent to do analysis of
User:BeingObjective behaviour, but his contributions to the articles I was also working on was very valuable, that is what I currently miss. Is my explanation sufficient? I understand that Wikipedia has strict policies and guidelines in place to maintain the quality and reliability of its content and the main goal is making a good encyclopedia, so that if interactions between the users was inappropriate but the content was good, all pros and cons should be weighed fairly, therefore, I do believe that contributions of
User:BeingObjective should be taken into account when weighing all factors involved in this particular case. Thank you for taking the time to consider my explanation. Looking forward your feedback on my explanation and my reply to the question you raised on my interest in this case.
Maxim Masiutin (
talk) 11:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)reply
The issues given as the reason for the block are difficult to handle with a block having an end date; the issues fundamentally related to failing to hear community concerns and attitude; in this situation we don't want the user to just wait out their block, we want them to address the concerns. The good of Wikipedia is not served by users disrupting Wikipedia with their attitude and failing to hear the concerns of said community.
331dot (
talk) 11:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)reply
OK, thank you for your explanation. I also noticed that the user was somewhat "harsh", but I was willing to tolerate that because his contributions outweighed that "harsh" attitude that he manifested sometimes. As an example, see the page that I edited:
RCCX. I asked for an expert review using a template, and I also posted messages in related WikiProjects, but still could not find somebody to check the content.
I think that my explanation of my interest was sufficient, thank you again for your dedication.
Maxim Masiutin (
talk) 11:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)reply
To be frank, from a quick look at this user, there are very serious concerns about their editing behavior. That they made good edits shouldn't excuse these things without an explanation and committment to change.
331dot (
talk) 10:40, 7 February 2024 (UTC)reply
OK, thank you very much for your attention to this issue.
Maxim Masiutin (
talk) 10:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Request to amend page of Australian private equity company
Hi
331dot - I'm LizziePEP, a COI/paid editor slowly making renovations to the
Pacific Equity Partners Wiki page. I noticed you in the backlogs of other Wikipedia articles, and would like to ask if you might be able to give me some pointers on proposed changes I've put forward to other editors (from whom I haven't heard back for some time). Any help you could provide would be much appreciated! See the first topic in my Sandbox for the draft:
/info/en/?search=User:LizziePEP(New)/sandbox. Cheers
LizziePEP(New) (
talk) 06:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello. You're more likely to get someone to look at your proposed edits if you propose them on the talk page in the form of an
edit request(click for instructions). It looks like you have used the talk page previously, though not marked as an edit request- doing that will draw the attention of editors whom otherwise may not be following that article to be able to comment on your proposed changes. I would say based on a quick look that the proposed additions sourced to the Australian Financial Review are probably fine. Less sure about the investment schedule.
331dot (
talk) 08:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Dear
331dot, thanks very much for your timely response. I really appreciate the advice. I will try the edit request route. Thanks,
LizziePEP(New) (
talk) 06:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Civility Help
I would rather not engage this user on my talk page any further, but they also need to realize that uncivil comments are not okay. Could you take a look at my talk page
here? (as I don't think they care much to hear from me any more) 【
💬】 08:56, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
They shouldn't be editing related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict at all, only accounts that are 30 days old with 500 edits may do so. I warned them of this and against further incivility.
331dot (
talk) 09:05, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
How's it going?
Not trying to stalk you, but how's Maine? I've never actually been there myself. I know their slogan is "The Way Life Should Be."
NoobThreePointOh (
talk) 23:16, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
That's right. Great to visit.
331dot (
talk) 17:08, 16 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I had actually been telling my mom we should go for spring break, but she says it's way too cold there lol.
NoobThreePointOh (
talk) 17:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)reply
How to deal with hate speech in talk page?
Hi 331dot, asking because you were recently active and I can't find the relevant policy (which I am sure exists but my Wiki-fu is failing me) - what should I do with this
talk page diff (cw for hateful comments about a trans person)? I have already removed it from the talk page but not sure if it needs a revdel or similar more serious removal. Thanks for your time!
StartGrammarTime (
talk) 08:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I've revdeleted it. That should be sufficient.
331dot (
talk) 08:47, 18 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi
User:331dot, you've made some insightful posts on the Emmanuel Lemelson
talk page. Particularly in discussion regarding the use and interpretation of sources.
Link 1Link 2.
I've started, at the encouragement of an other editor, a new section for proposed edits
here.
I hope you will continue to engage with the page as it would benefit greatly from more editors being involved.
Link
Thanks for your consideration
DownEastLaw (
talk) 17:53, 18 February 2024 (UTC)reply
James Kall
Hello, in case you don’t get notified, I wanted to let you know that I resubmitted my draft (
Draft:James Kall). I removed the unsourced claim that you listed in your comment, as well as added quite a few more citations to the article. This actor in particular has been in countless theater productions, films and television programs. Majority of which are discussed in the sources i provided. I
wanted to keep you updated on this matter, and didn’t want you to think i was trying to go around you. Thank you for your time and for what you do on the encyclopedia.
Elvisisalive95 (
talk) 19:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Don't worry, that's the correct process.
331dot (
talk) 20:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC)reply
The comments are not disruptive. Kindly refrain from making accusations against other IP users. Remember, IPs are human too.
92.40.213.238 (
talk) 20:32, 19 February 2024 (UTC)reply
The IP is also using .237. It might require a range block.
Nemov (
talk) 20:52, 19 February 2024 (UTC)reply
It would take me time to do that, I'm not an expert at it yet; may need to be reported.
331dot (
talk) 21:05, 19 February 2024 (UTC)reply
No worries, I'll do that. Thanks!
Nemov (
talk) 21:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Far Rockaway and Cred and what about them?
One day long ago, my dad got pulled over for 40 in a 30 zone. He pointed to all the other cars whizzing by and asked the cop, "what about them?" The cop replied, "You're the one I caught." LOL.
-- Deepfriedokra (
talk) 15:43, 21 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I mean... essentially your dad was speeding, right?
NoobThreePointOh (
talk) 16:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Either that, or I'm mistaken that isn't your dad you're talking about.
NoobThreePointOh (
talk) 16:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Hoax
Hello, you deleted Emannism, is it possible it isn't a hoax and only a misspelling [
[3]]
Unbroken Chain (
talk) 22:58, 24 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I deleted a draft which described a supposed religion that worships
Emma Watson called "Emmanism".
331dot (
talk) 23:04, 24 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Ok there went my AGF attempt right out the window. Thanks for clarifying, sounds like a good catch.
Unbroken Chain (
talk) 23:13, 24 February 2024 (UTC)reply
No problem, happy to answer questions.
331dot (
talk) 23:57, 24 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello, I'm not sure why
this user is pinging me for help after you politely asked them to disclose a connection at their user talk, but yesterday I had a string of similar pings from a sock of
this master. The involved
article yesterday was also connected to
this master. Hope that's useful.
Wikishovel (
talk) 09:42, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Hmm. The topics are pretty different, a Bangaldeshi person and a bank in the Congo.
331dot (
talk) 09:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes I was thinking the same at first, but if it's a sockfarm, they're not picky about who they write about, or where the subject is located. UK bios written by subcontinental socks can be quite funny reads for this reason. But no particular knowledge of the DRC is needed to write about a bank.
Wikishovel (
talk) 09:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I've added it to the SPI.
331dot (
talk) 10:20, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi, in your denial comments you said you agree with the other reviewers comments which has me confused. Each comment has been addressed and edited. Do you have any new comments? I talked with Star Mississippi who is happy with the new version as well a few different editors have changed the format so it is in accordance with Wikipedia format.
Luka At The Civic Caucus (
talk) 13:36, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't have time at present to take a deeper dive into the draft; if you have spoken with someone who finds it acceptable, you should ask them to move it into the encyclopedia.
331dot (
talk) 13:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately it is their policy like it seems other editors to never review a page twice. If possible it would be great if you could take another look at the edit history and older comments. Like for example the comment below yours refers to a section that no longer exists and was removed and other edits format have been made.
Luka At The Civic Caucus (
talk) 14:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I stand by my decline. The sources you have offered do not establish that your organization is
notable as Wikipedia defines it. I understand that your organization thinks that what it does is important, and it may even be so, but we need independent
reliable sources that say that. Your sources are
an interview on a blog, which is not independent and not reliable(blogs are almost never reliable sources)
the obituary of the founder of the organization which says that he was important; Obituaries are usually written by someone associated with the deceased person.
same as #1
an opinion piece that is paywalled but seems to be an opinion piece that may or may not have been subject to editorial review and fact checking
also an opinion piece
These don't establish notability. Organizations trying to force the issue of creating an article aren't usually successful, as they are too close to their organization to write as Wikipedia asks. I agree with the reviewer who said "This will not be accepted unless it's fundamentally re-written by someone with no ties to the Caucus."
331dot (
talk) 16:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
That's up to you, but that would not resolve the issue of you being too close to your organization. Were you directed to attempt this task?
331dot (
talk) 20:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Hey, 331dot. Just wanted to let you know, the IP you warned reverted your edit, calling you a transphobe and saying that Wikipedia is run by Nazis. I would recommend blocking them for a while. I know they might return under a different IP, but it's the best i can think of under the circumstances.
NoobThreePointOh (
talk) 04:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The edit was reverted thankfully by another user, but the IP might need to be blocked nonetheless.
NoobThreePointOh (
talk) 04:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Inquiry on the existence of a particular script
Hi 331dot. :) Firstly, I see you commenting on unblock requests and on SPI all the time, so thanks for your efforts there!
Out of curiosity, I wanted to reach out and see if you have a particular script I might not know about.
Your diff here ("This post came up as 73% likely to be written by a bot. If you are using a bot, please don't.") seems to suggest the existence of a script that detects bot-generated written content? I'd love to know what you used to find out if that comment was written by a bot or not.
I added a credible source (which is the only source online) for Marc Alaimo's (
Marc Alaimo) theatrical history which was not accepted because it was a blog link.
This is the best (and most accurate) reference and should be considered valid in this case, even if it is a "blog post". Thanks!
Eccentric Euphemism (
talk) 09:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Eccentric Euphemism I converted your link to the article to a standard internal link(double brackets like [[Marc Alaimo]]), the whole url is not needed.
Blogs are generally not considered
reliable sources because they are self-published and usually lack fact checking, editorial control, and other standards of journalism. See
WP:BLOGS. One possible pathway for this information is if the author is recognized as a subject-matter expert and has had other work published in reliable sources.
331dot (
talk) 09:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Alaimo has not had that much published on him (if anything) as he is a very private person. I don't know what other info you need because I know it is completely accurate and she is considered the "subject matter expert" by any fan I've come in contact with. It's frustrating that links to articles that are inaccurate are considered "valid" when completely accurate blog posts aren't accepted.
Eccentric Euphemism (
talk) 10:01, 10 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Have you considered adding to the article about Marc Alaimo on Memory Alpha, the Star Trek wiki? This content would likely be accepted there. Wikipedia has stricter sourcing standards, especially when
writing about living people. I don't dispute the accuracy of the information, but blogs are just not usually considered acceptable. Perhaps Mr. Alaimo would authorize her to write and publish a biography about him through a publisher that would have an editor examine it first.
If you are aware of sourced information about a living person that is inaccurate, or a source is not being accurately summarized, please point that out so it can be addressed. We are only as good as the volunteers who choose to participate.
331dot (
talk) 10:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Request on 10:13:14, 12 March 2024 for assistance on
AfC submission by Starcruexz
That is not an independent source, as it is largely based on an interview with the founder of the company.
331dot (
talk) 10:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Please see your user talk page for important information requiring a response, thank you.
331dot (
talk) 10:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Request for bug-page deletion created inappropriately
Hello sir. I have just realised that some unwanted User pages was created randomly with my minerva.js during my sandbox Template initial test. I don't know if is right to leave them or delete them since it wasn't actually a real User page but a js bug creation. The affected page are as follows:
User:Null/sandbox,
User:Null/sandbox/sandbox2 and
User:Minerva/sandbox/sandbox2. Thanks.
Thisasia (
talk) 14:20, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
If you don't want them, I can delete them.
331dot (
talk) 14:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes i definitely don't want them as they aren't a subpage Thanks.
Thisasia (
talk) 14:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry, guess I missed this. It's done now; you may get a faster response if you just tag the pages for speedy deletion so any admin can respond.
331dot (
talk) 07:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Oww thanks so much for these, very much appreciated. God bless and have a good time. Thisasia(Talk) 08:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Noticeboard Discussion
It occurs to me that I should have signposted you to a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrative action review as you were involved in the block review. I think I pinged you in, but apologies for not notifying you here sooner.
Sirfurboy🏄 (
talk) 12:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Bangaru Thalli
Hi, i want to publish the article regarding a program ruined by BBG group which helps girl child for there education.
What would you suggest and how can i publish the article.
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Dreamy Jazztalk to me | my contributions 18:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello!
Woah almost 12 years now thats what I call an og!
Bally125 (
talk) 00:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This is one of the weirdest controversial pages I've ever seen. I have to admit, I'm tempted to section-blank the bit about sub-saharan Africa which is sourced to a single, rather old, article in a single journal plus the description of a chair in a museum. It's... pretty weak sourcing. But because I sense there is a history here I thought I'd check with you regarding landmines before I go and do my
ogre routine.
Simonm223 (
talk) 13:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, weird indeed. It sounds to me like you have a good case for doing it, so go ahead. You could post an explanation on the talk page or just in the edit summary if you prefer.
331dot (
talk) 14:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Freoh
Hi, 331dot. Would you kindly take a look at
this edit? I don't think it's fair for an editor to keep up an unblock request that falsely claims the block was based on a personal grudge, while removing a message calling out that misrepresentation. Beyond mere aspersion-casting, both the comment and the revert summary falsely imply that
the original block explanation cited the disagreement he is fixated on. Now,
WP:NOTWALLOFSHAME exists, but so does
WP:NPA, and there is also a general expectation that editors will not deliberately deceive the unblock-reviewer. I was fine with leaving the PA up alongside a rebuttal, but, as he'd previously demonstrated
minutes after you downgraded his block, Freoh neither understands what a personal attack is nor will he tolerate any comments on his talkpage that question his alternative facts about his editing career. I'd AGF'd up till now, even in blocking him, but at this point I'm fairly convinced he's just trolling.
Oddly enough, the appeal text shows no evidence of plagiarism or copying from ChatGPT, despite looking like it.
NoobThreePointOh (
talk) 14:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Does a user's efforts on being concise and organised now face such adverse scrutiny?
Bcmh (
talk) 16:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Right now I would say a third of the requests I see are written by bots; if you didn't use a bot, okay.
331dot (
talk) 16:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I see, thank you for clarifying
Bcmh (
talk) 17:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm feeling at a bit of a loss. I was watching a thread at AN/I about racist inclusions at History of the Chair. Central to this was complaints about two sections: the section on sub-Saharan Africa, which was weakly cited and tiptoed up to the border of
WP:SYNTH and a hidden edit comment, which inaccurately claimed that chairs did not exist prior to European contact in Sub-Saharan Africa and insisting the prior section not be removed.
Per a discussion on AN/I I deleted these inclusions on April 9 and didn't think any more about it until today when a user who seems to be a single-purpose account reverted this change and then seemed to imply I had some connection to another user, ExpertPrime, who, apparently you blocked over an edit war over this content? I was not yet engaged on the page when ExpertPrime was blocked which happened some four days before the AN/I thread which brought me to the page. But it appears to be related.
I've reverted my version of the article back with the suggestion that better sources be found for re-inclusion but I thought before I went farther here I'd actually check with you for some back-story here.
Simonm223 (
talk) 15:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
That article talk page has been a target of racists posting racist comments. That particular passage you removed from the article is controversial in part due to race as well. I would suggest that discussion attempt to reach a consensus about the passage at issue first.
331dot (
talk) 15:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
On the one hand there seems to be racist shenanigans occurring on the talk page, though this seems to have been cleaned up fully by now. On the other hand, there seems to be a concerted effort to have a section removed, using the racist comments as an excuse to do so. I have my concerns about
Developed it entirely (
talk·contribs), who started the ANI thread used to remove that section. It looks like a burner account which was reactivated shortly after your block of
ExpertPrime (
talk·contribs). Would you mind running a CU check on those accounts, and if confirmed I'd suggest reversing/striking the results of that ANI thread whilst we get a proper consensus on the actual talk page. We can't let bad faith editors like this influence the way we write articles.
195.11.188.203 (
talk) 10:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm not a CU. You would have to start an SPI.
331dot (
talk) 11:01, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I promised to check out of this
discussion entirely and have done so. The constant veiled accusations that I am other users or that I'm secretly using burner accounts is really unprofessional and borders on WP:ASPERSIONS. If anyone insists on pushing racist narratives on this article, I can safely and proudly say that I did what I could, was punished for it, and left it alone. Please stop trying to drag me back into this. ly
ExpertPrime (
talk) 23:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
You were not punished for anything. Blocks are not a punishment. You were blocked to prevent disruption. You are free to pursue your grievances if you can do so without disruption. There are
legitimate ways to do this.
331dot (
talk) 00:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
semantics aside, I'm only replying because I've been passively accused of being multiple other editors and that needs to stop. I said I'd stay out of that racist argument and I'm keeping my word. Please just stop bothering me and accusing me of being disruptive. Have a good day.
ExpertPrime (
talk) 01:09, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I didn't say anything to you, you came here. If you don't wish to respond further, don't. I didn't ask you to stay out of anything, and I'm disappointed you have chosen to not be involved due to a misunderstanding. All you needed to do is stop edit warring. That's still the case. In any event, best wishes to you.
331dot (
talk) 08:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
April 2024
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I don't know where or why you think I was socking to edit war, but I haven't, I've been away and busy, and I expect experienced users to assume - and those familiar with me to understand - that about my character. A gentle reminder to AGF.
Kingsif (
talk) 20:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Kingsif The IP made the same edit that you did, and that article(
List of largest funerals) has a general history of edit warring. If that wasn't you, however, I apologize.
331dot (
talk) 20:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
It wasn't me - thank you for the apology. I noticed after replying at my talk that this was several days ago, so I've removed it and consider the matter closed. I don't consider you an editor who would sling wild accusations, so thought a gentle reminder would suffice on this end, but no worries.
Kingsif (
talk) 20:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Re: Middleton family edit discussion
(Redacted per request)
I don't want to prosecute or pursue anything, nor am I "protesting". I'm just trying to think of what would be beneficial for everyone and helpful for this valuable editor.
331dot (
talk) 12:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
My having brought it up previously isn't an effort to harass, just seeing what people think. Your memory is better than mine, I only recall one other instance(but I believe you). I make dozens of posts almost every day so some get past me.
331dot (
talk) 12:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Final reply to account
I gave Altitude Fitness Enterprise Holdings one final reply to give them a chance at a proper unblock. However, if they just respond by complaining about how unfairly they've been treated (which as you know, they haven't), maybe it's time to revoke talk page access. --
Drm310🍁 (
talk) 21:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
We'll see. I always want to help but people have to want to take it, and I'm not sure they will.
331dot (
talk) 23:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply