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At least nine people are killed and 15 are missing during
landslides caused by
floods in the provinces of
Guangdong and
Fujian, in China. At least 378 houses collapsed and 880
hectares are destroyed.
(AP)
Nine people are killed during a fire caused by an electric
short circuit at a hospital in
Rasht,
Iran.
(AP)
At least 139 people suffer from
botulism in
Russia believed to be caused by eating ready-made
salads, leading to a nationwide recall of the salads.
(AP)
At least 10 people are killed after two boats carrying migrants shipwreck off the southern coast of
Italy, with 64 additional people reported missing.
(AP)
Egypt's Tourism Hajj Mission announces that at least eight Egyptian pilgrims have died during the
Hajj in
Saudi Arabia.
(Ahram)
Seven people are killed amid heavy rains across
El Salvador.
(AP)
Six people, including three children, are killed in a house fire in
Newnan,
Georgia,
United States, and five others are hospitalized.
(ABC)
Article updated The nominated event is listed on
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I would wait until the article looks somewhat updated. I will update blurb/image when FMVP is announced. Original blurb basically follows last year's wording/format. Altblurb to bring info out of parenthetical. Feel free to adjust. It is that time of the year when a lot of major sporting events are occurring. --
Classicwiki (
talk) If you reply here, please
ping me. 03:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Ok, I have went through and updated the article a bit more. --
Classicwiki (
talk) If you reply here, please
ping me. 04:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support One of the world's largest sports leagues, definitely worth an ITN mention.
Royal Autumn Crest (
talk) 04:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Royal Autumn Crest just a reminder that this is not a discussion about the notability of the event as the NBA finals are
WP:ITN/R event. This is a discussion about the quality of the article and whether it is ready to be posted or not.
PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support although the prose is on the shorter side, article still in a good shape.
PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Norway announces that it will give
Ukraine 1.1 billion
kroner (US$103 million) to help repair its energy infrastructure and secure the country's electricity supply before the winter.
(Le Monde)
At least six people died due to a
landslide caused by heavy rainfall that struck a highway in
Baños in central
Ecuador, with thirty people reported missing.
(AP)
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Occurred last night, article is getting updated -- table of winners, performers, lead and infobox all have updates. Might need to add more prose though and/or a picture? ~Malvoliox(
talk |
contribs) 17:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose on quality I don't see a ref for the winners, and I would like more prose on the ceremony (there's a bit of prose list for 'other awards' and two lines of response right now). Obviously take this as support once updated, no need to ping.
Kingsif (
talk) 22:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose like the other award shows, there is almost no prose.
PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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The tournament article seems OK but I will let others be the judge. ~~
Jessintime (
talk) 14:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose There is some prose but I think article needs a bit expansion. There is less prose than the previous editions' pages.
PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Oppose article needs a load more prose rather than just tables. Like a long race summary, and also some qualifying summary too.
Joseph2302 (
talk) 17:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose article is just tables and tables with just few sentences in between. There is no race summary or prose about the Qualifying results results.
PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
China issues new regulations allowing their
national coastguard to detain foreigners accused of illegally entering China's claimed territorial waters and adjacent waters.
(Al Jazeera)
Thousands of women march in
São Paulo,
Brazil, in protest of a bill that would equate
late abortions after 22 weeks to homicide with sentences of six to 20 years in prison.
(Reuters)
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Comment shouldn't the disambiguation be on year of birth rather than baseball primary position? Strange disambiguation choice.
Abcmaxx (
talk) 13:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The conventions at
WP:NCBASE state to use position before year of birth, which is the last resort.
Natg 19 (
talk) 17:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Two time PM of Libya under Gaddafi. --
Classicwiki (
talk) If you reply here, please
ping me. 06:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Two-time Secretary-General of the General People's Committee, technically. At first, I thought it looked too stubby, but then I saw Hughes, Dusek and Abu Maraheel's short stories. He was 85.
InedibleHulk (
talk) 06:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
OpposeIt's a stub at 1401 characters. Only two sentences cover his first 40 years of life.
Dusek has 2,114,
Hughes has 4,077, and
Abu Maraheel, a GA, has 7,802. The comps to Hughes and Abu Maraheel are odd. Dusek has 50% more prose than at-Talhi. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 18:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I could tell this was the shortest one, but they all looked shorter than medium to me. As my copyedit alone removed over 700 characters, I don't think such a gap between this and Dusek's is that big. I'll defer to you, though, and cancel my vote.
InedibleHulk (
talk) 23:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose article would have been enough for a MP but for a head of a government, article is no way near ready.
PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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He died on the 7th but his death was announced on the 15th. Article almost ready in terms of citations, however, I've found a couple spots where they're lacking (some information can be deleted and re-added once a citation is found). Disclaimer: Nominating this article does not imply that I endorse or support all the things this person did.
❤HistoryTheorist❤ 04:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support posting Assuming all citations back up the statements they are after, the article is of sufficient quality. Ick.
Bremps... 03:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Ready marking it ready as it is a good article unlike the person it is about.
PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Weak support Long enough, but not by much. Too many subsections make the article appear sparser than it actually is. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 18:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Actually oppose until two of those short subsections are cited. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 18:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Okay, restoring my weak support as I don't like either the
WP:CITEBOMB in the lead or the one at the end of "Awards and distinctions", nor that "Michelin star" is mentioned and not wikilinked and then
Michelin Guide is linked in the following section. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 02:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support article meets bare minimum requirement.
PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
(Closed) English Whisky Guild
Consensus will not develop to post.
Stephen 18:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's comments: Topic was in the news 15/96/24 and previously on the 14/06/2024 on the 4/06/2024.
ChefBear01 (
talk) 17:29, 16 June 2024
@
ChefBear01: I added the
Template:ITN candidate for you that is used to nominate stories here. Please propose a blurb though otherwise it will be hard to asses what the story is.
Abcmaxx (
talk) 17:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Abcmaxx: Thank you I have added a blurb that should clarify the story more precisely.
ChefBear01 (
talk) 17:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Joseph2302:, It is not just the release of a report but the the first report published by the organisation which is significant as up to that point there were no previous in depth reports by an organisation that covered the topic in this report.
ChefBear01 (
talk) 18:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Over 80 people have died when an overloaded ship has sunk in Congo. With regards,
Oleg Y. (
talk) 13:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment Needs some cleanup, and it should be a blurb, not ongoing. Regarding notability, we posted
Sinking of the Zico but did not post
2024 Bangui river disaster, so I'm not sure. Sadly, those tragic incidents seem all too commonplace...
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs) 14:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I agree and entire understand what you mean. It's hard to say. But close to 90 people dead IMHO is notable even if it happens in a "third-world country". But I a also not 100% sure what the best approach here. With regards,
Oleg Y. (
talk) 14:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I didn't really have in mind the "third-world country" aspect of it, but it's true that where it happened shouldn't matter for notability, especially since we just posted
2024 Mangaf building fire.
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs) 16:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Clearly even now the Bangui article is well below par for quality and length for posting. That was why it wasn't posted, so we shouldn't judge it that way. This article still needs more content before it meets the quality aspects we expect. —
Masem (
t) 15:13, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Good point, in this case I would support on notability, provided the article is expanded enough.
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs) 16:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment I would support the story for notability, but the article is too short and in need of cleanup to meet
quality and
updated content standards. To quote the updated content standards, the traditional cut-off for what is enough has been around three complete, referenced and well-formed paragraphs~Malvoliox(
talk |
contribs) 15:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose on quality it is a blurbworthy story but article is a bit short for the main page.
PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
(Closed) Ongoing: UEFA Euro 2024
Clear consensus against posting as ongoing. The winner will be posted as a blurb if the article is in shape then. --Tone 09:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Yesterday marked the first match, the main international football championship in Europe, so it should be added to ongoing now. Duke of New Gwynedd (
talk |
contrib.) 12:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment I do not believe we have posted the Euros to Ongoing before (I checked 2016 and 2021 and they were both proposed but rejected). If I remember correctly the only sporting events that are posted to Ongoing are the Olympics and the (football) World Cup.
Black Kite (talk) 12:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I agree here... Olympics and World Cup have wide international exposure as one of the reasons for these in ongoing. While this event is multinational, I don't think we should use ongoing for it. —
Masem (
t) 12:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose No need for ongoing, we don't usually add that for sporting events and would be a slippery slope. We'll post the final result when it occurs and that's fine. —
Amakuru (
talk) 13:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose We can post the World Cup, but not the continental-level competitions, and doing this only for Europe would be more systemic bias.
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs) 14:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per precedent. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 17:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose World level tournament for Ongoing. Result only for Continental. --
KTC (
talk) 19:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment I tend to agree with the argument that this is only a continental tournament, but arguing that there’s a precedent not to post this or that it’d create systemic bias doesn’t hold. All that was broken when we posted the
2014 Commonwealth Games to ongoing.--
Kiril Simeonovski (
talk) 22:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose We'll post once the tournament is concluded.
Pawnkingthree (
talk) 23:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose post results when done
Ion.want.uu (
talk) 23:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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English footballer, played for Arsenal and Everton (amongst others). Article needs a bit of referencing. I think this is good enough now.
Black Kite (talk) 10:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Montenegran footballer. Article is reasonably well sourced but needs tidying up.
Black Kite (talk) 08:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The
United States military plans to temporarily dismantle the Gaza floating pier and move it to
Israel following predictions of rough seas, suspending humanitarian aid shipments at the pier for the 3rd time in the past month.
(ABC News)
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Indian malayalam language author and historian.
Ktin (
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American lawyer, author, and politician, very notable for defeating U.S. House Speaker Tom Foley in 1994.Needs a bit more work.
Pharaoh of the Wizards (
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Needs a bit more work.
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One of the most historic days in South African history! For the first time since the end of apartheid, the ANC no longer controls the government, and has coalitioned with the DA opposition. This is pretty huge for the country, as this is almost the equivalent of Republicans and Democrats forming a coalition government. Lots of media coverage as well. Might be good to create a separate article on the new government that has formed.
PrecariousWorlds (
talk) 16:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support, finally, south africa can be free from ANC Tyranny!
Lukt64 (
talk) 17:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:POV, but yeah it's a big moment for SA. ANC are still in power though, just have to share it on a largely equal basis with their main rival.
PrecariousWorlds (
talk) 18:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose, the historic election results is already posted recently this is just a update.
Shadow4dark (
talk) 17:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Altblurb 1 suggested Rephrasing to replace the buzzword "government of national unity". — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (
投稿) 20:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Better word would be 'coalition' as the ANC and DA are jointly ruling the country now
PrecariousWorlds (
talk) 20:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Changed "with the support of" to "via a coalition with". — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (
投稿) 21:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
We posted the 2023 re-election of
Pedro Sánchez to ITN, however. Which you also opposed, I know. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (
投稿) 22:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
that was an exceptional case, as Sánchez managed to be re-elected prime minister after a controversial pact for a controversial amnesty law for those persecuted during the 2017 constitutional crisis, this being the main issue.
_-_Alsor (
talk) 22:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per all above. The election was already posted.
_-_Alsor (
talk) 22:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose The target article is a woeful stub. Schwede66 03:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose election was already posted.
Scu ba (
talk) 13:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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A
Russian warship and a nuclear-powered submarine conduct military drills in the
Caribbean sea simulating a missile strike on enemy ships after passing near the coast of
Florida in order to reach
Havana,
Cuba.
(AP)
Disasters and accidents
The general secretary of the miners' confederation in
Mali announces that at least 22 miners have died in
Kalana,
Mali, following the collapse of a mine tunnel five days ago.
(Reuters)
Health and environment
A heatwave forces
Greek authorities to close the
Acropolis for visits during the afternoon.
(AP)
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Support The death toll is on par with other natural and anthropogenic disasters that we typically post. Also since many of the victims were Indian, the fire has more international significance.
Scaramouche33 (
talk) 08:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment the page has been moved. The new title "Kuwait Mangaf" strikes me as analogous to "Germany Bavaria" or "Canada Quebec". Though I guess that's a discussion for another page.
Unknown Temptation (
talk) 14:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Russia launches a wave of
cruise missiles and
drone attacks at
Kyiv. Ukraine claims to have intercepted all missiles and drones, although debris did cause some damage to infrastructure.
(Reuters)
A court in the
Netherlands sentences three men to up to 28 years in prison for the murder of reporter
Peter R. de Vries in 2021, and three other men to 14 years for aiding in the murder.
(Reuters)
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Former SEC chair.
Ktin (
talk) 01:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I went through and cited the SOM info as best as I could. It seems like a lot of it is derived from a speech, so I worry about credibility. Also from a cursory look, there is a ton of info out there that needs to be added to this bio/article. Does not even mention his work as Under Secretary of State for International Security Affairs in the body prose. Wish I had the time. --
Classicwiki (
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First Palestinian Olympian and flag-bearer.
Generalissima (
talk) (it/she) 21:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Article is already at GA status, looks good to post as is.
Waluigithewalrus (
talk) 16:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Support Article quality looks fine. Blegh.
Davey2116 (
talk) 11:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Support-ish looks ok, but some of the sources rely on information likely provided by the individual to organizations (introductions to speakers) and do not represent independent sourcing. However, I will still support. --
Classicwiki (
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Weak oppose I agree with Classicwiki and I feel that the article should have a better balance of independent and primary sources. A good amount of the article's sources are from articles/sources that are likely from info he provided himself. --
TDKR Chicago 101 (
talk) 20:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per above. NEeds better sourcing. —
Amakuru (
talk) 13:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
(Closed, posted RD) RD/blurb: Jerry West
No consensus to blurb.—
Bagumba (
talk) 17:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Basketball Hall of Famer, dubbed "The Logo." Most notable for his time as a player and executive for the
Los Angeles LakersKENGRIFFEY24FAN (
talk) 14:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support: Article is a GA and I just resolved the last CN tag. pbp 14:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Plus I'm pretty sure his statistic sections need citations as well.
rawmustard (
talk) 14:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
The Corvette ZR1: Looks like an IP removed my source. I readded it, and the page has been protected.
@
Rawmustard: The statistics are supported by the "external links" section, which links to statistical sites such as Basketball-Reference pbp 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I know that whenever an actor/other film personnel is nominated, typically the filmography needs to have inline citations prior to the article being posted to front page, so I would presume the same would have to apply to a sportsperson's statistics.
rawmustard (
talk) 17:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Rawmustard: I've added citations to the bottom of the table pbp 19:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Blurb transformative figure in basketball history. It is rumored that the NBA logo was modeled after him.
Natg 19 (
talk) 15:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support RD, oppose blurb. A rumor about him inspiring a logo isn't Mandela/Thatcher level of blurbworthy.
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs) 15:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Blurb - Forget about the logo story. He still has many achievements as both player and executive and was one of the greatest of his time. I think that's worthy enough of a blurb.
Prodrummer619 (
talk) 18:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support RD, leaning support blurb. The rare subject who was top tier both as a player and as an executive in their sport, and therefore transformative of the sport.
BD2412T 18:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose Blurb. West is borderline notable for me, even as someone who probably isn't even top 5 on notability ever within their sport. To me though, I can't stop thinking about how we didn't post Bill Russell. IMO, Bill Russell's impact was greater, maybe nit within basketball solely, but with his civil rights impact factored in. So if we are to believe Russell wasn't transformative enough, then West isn't either, I'd say.
DarkSide830 (
talk) 18:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Quite a shame that Russell did not get blurbed. I thought for sure that he did. Who is the most recent sportsman to get blurbed? Maradona? or was it Jim Brown? (OJ did, but for non sports reasons.)
Natg 19 (
talk) 20:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Natg 19 The last one was
Franz Beckenbauer in January this year. Given that he,
Pele and
Maradona (also blurbed) were generally regarded as the three greatest players of their generation, those were no-brainers really. The only living footballers that I can think of who might deserve a blurb are Messi, C.Ronaldo, Zidane and possibly
the original Ronaldo, and hopefully we won't be meeting any of those here any time soon.
Black Kite (talk) 09:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Ah, yes, I forgot him. Although him dying at 25 in non-usual circumstances also helped.
Black Kite (talk) 09:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Doubt this is getting blurbed, as the soccer (football) players you listed above who were blurbed also have a claim to be the GOATs at their position. But Jerry was one of the greatest of his generation (1960s), along with Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, and Oscar Robertson.
Natg 19 (
talk) 17:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't think we should ever deathblurb people whose death as an event isn't notable (e.g. a serving head of government whose death causes a change in leadership, or a notable murder, etc). By that metric, almost no sportspeople qualify. I do not think this is a failure of the system, RD line exists for a reason.
This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (
talk) 20:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Again, part of my reasoning for Russell was his civil rights impact. The same reason I think Jim Brown was worthy.
DarkSide830 (
talk) 18:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Agree with orbitalbuzzsaw, ideally, deaths should be blurbed if the death has a tangible impact, "famous person dies" is otherwise what RD is for. I won't oppose the exceptional blurbing of someone of the Thatcher/Mandela standard, as their death will likely have some level of impact (a good rule of thumb is whether the person has an article for their death, like
death of Nelson Mandela). It really should be about impact, not about popularity and/or unusualness of the death.
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs) 22:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Russell should’ve been blurbed, but the failure to blurb Russell shouldn’t affect West.
Blaylockjam10 (
talk) 22:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I understand that sentiment, but in the sense of there being no hard and fast distinction for deaths where the death itself wasn't the main story, I personally think a bar should be set, and when x is less notable than y with both persons within the same field, and y didn't get posted, then justifying posting for x's death is hard for me.
DarkSide830 (
talk) 18:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
West may be less notable than Russell as a player, but his accomplishments as a player & GM may make West more notable than Russell.
Blaylockjam10 (
talk) 19:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support blurb Article is in good quality. Supporting blurb because West is highly influential in his field and not to mention he's the NBA logo too! Article definitely reflects his influential status/impact he had. --
TDKR Chicago 101 (
talk) 19:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb, weak support RD there's some unsourced lines. And, really, it is getting out of hand to propose blurbs lightly. Opposing for DarkSide.
_-_Alsor (
talk) 20:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb, support RD per Darkside830 Relativity ⚡️ 22:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support RD, oppose blurb The article is of sufficient quality for RD, but there isn't anything particularly noteworthy about the death in itself. --
MtPenguinMonster (
talk) 02:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb This is the type of person for whom Recent Deaths was created. We should not be blurbing the death of every basketballer (or every sportsperson generally) just because they were better than average.
Chrisclear (
talk) 09:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support blurb He was elected to the Basketball HOF on 3 separate occasions, is the only person to be enshrined as a player & a contributor (the latter is for his accomplishments as a GM) & his silhouette is the basis for the NBA’s logo.
Blaylockjam10 (
talk) 09:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb. Not of Thatcher or Mandela stature, and it's really time to stop proposing blurbs for all and sundry, just because they were successful sportsmen or whatever. —
Amakuru (
talk) 10:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb. Perfect for RD, but not exactly world-changing.
Yakikaki (
talk) 12:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb, weak oppose RD, while his achievements are noteworthy within basketball, he's completely unknown for people who isn't into basketball.
31.44.224.73 (
talk) 12:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Posted to RD. There don't seem to be quality concerns, so no need to wait on the RD. Discussion can continue on possible blurbing, although I'd imagine consensus isn't in favour of that as yet. (disclaimer: I'm involved on that score as I already opined on the question above). Cheers —
Amakuru (
talk) 13:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support blurb - the idea that it needs to be Mandela or Thatcher (seriously, why is Margaret Thatcher cited here lol) is not one that has any basis in the guidelines or our past history. West was transformational in his sport, no less so than Shane Warne for example. nableezy - 18:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The Mandela-Thatcher standard is
very much based in our history. The effect was effectively effected in December of 2012, while they were only mostly dead in a roughly contemporary fashion. Sure, there've been other timely pairs since that could've taken the title, but the people have spoken and the stickiness has stuck (OMD).
InedibleHulk (
talk) 21:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, some people are fond of repeating the same thing, based on some misguided belief that Margaret Thatcher, giggle, is in the same league as Nelson Mandela in basically any way, and then they try to impose that as the standard for any blurb of a death. If Nelson Mandela is the standard we should never blurb another person's death unless they die in unusually noteworthy circumstances. nableezy - 23:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Nelson Mandela is no more the standard alone than both are combined. As you say, this is just something people say. In practice, the only deaths we should blurb are the deaths we do blurb.
InedibleHulk (
talk) 23:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Idk why I’m engaging with this, but we blurb plenty of non heads of state, and I literally laugh out loud when people blurt out Thatcher here. But Shane Warne would be the closest example here, and guess what, blurbed. Please stop with the Thatcher Mandela nonsense, because a. The two of them aren’t in the same league anyway, and b. That has nothing to do with if a person should be or has been blurbed. nableezy - 02:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The reason we use them as examples is that both had a significant impact on their country's politics clearly demonstrating how they were great figures and top of their field (it also helped both had significant state funerals that lasted multiple days). It's why we're looking we're looking for the same here, and this article lacks a significant demonstration of why he had a lasting impact or legacy (I'm ignoring the NBA logo issue here). He's got some but not anywhere close to what we'd see with other sport legends like Pele or Jim Brown
Masem (
t) 03:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The difference between West and Wayne vs. Mandela and Thatcher is that most people in the world have some semblance of knowledge of who either Thatcher or Mandela were due to their international impact. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who knows either West or Warne unless they're already interested in that specific sport.
31.44.224.73 (
talk) 13:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Shane Warne's death was blurbed, in case you missed that part. nableezy - 13:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb: No doubt he's an important part of the history of the NBA, but for such a young sport/league, I think it's tough to argue that a guy who's not a consensus top 3 of the most important NBA people should be blurbed.
Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 19:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb His death is non-remarkable.
HiLo48 (
talk) 02:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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The wreckage of an aircraft which went missing yesterday in
Malawi amid bad weather is found. All ten people on board, including the country's
Vice-PresidentSaulos Chilima, are confirmed dead.
(Reuters)
Sri Lanka's
foreign ministry says that the country has received assurances from Russia that it would stop recruiting Sri Lankan citizens to fight in Ukraine.
(Al-Arabiya)
Riots occur in
Tiaret,
Algeria, in opposition to water rationing as a government response to prolonged droughts.
(AP)
Eight individuals from
Tajikistan with suspected ties to
Islamic State are arrested across several United States cities for border immigration violations.
(AP)
Hunger strikes occur in at least 16 prisons in
Venezuela to protest against poor living conditions such as
overcrowding as well as delays in the reviews of the prisoners' judicial processes.
(MSN via Reuters)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
Legendary Swiss tenor, Orfeo, Tamino, Pelleas. There wasn't much of an article, sadly. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:54, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
Comment unfortunately the tables are mostly unsourced (and I am unlikely to tackle). Prose looks decent though. Not ready yet. --
Classicwiki (
talk) If you reply here, please
ping me. 02:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose Filmography unsourced and there's a section of the career part that's unsourced. --
TDKR Chicago 101 (
talk) 20:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Nationally famous Polish football manager. Needs a few more citations.
Abcmaxx (
talk) 08:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: a few CN tags still present in the article. --
Classicwiki (
talk) If you reply here, please
ping me. 02:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's comments: Article is updated and well sourced. Seeing how the article definitely reflects her legacy, impact on French culture and also impact on the modern-day music industry, not sure if it warrants a blurb? Regardless, article (IMO) is good for RD.
TDKR Chicago 101 (
talk) 22:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support RD, oppose blurb The article is of more than sufficient quality for RD, but the manner of death was not notable, and thus a blurb is not warranted. In my opinion, death blurbs should only be in place when the death itself is a notable event. --
MtPenguinMonster (
talk) 02:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support blurb, as the legacy section states : Hardy was celebrated as a "French national treasure" and one of the greatest figures in French music of all time., I think that it's enough to deserve a blurb.
Alexcalamaro (
talk) 04:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Seconded. I support blurb based on this. ꧁
Zanahary꧂ 05:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb. Loads of people are labelled "national treasures", that doesn't mean we blurb them. There's too much of the "this person is famous, let's blurb them" going on these days. Is Hardy a major figure of the Thatcher / Mandela stature? No. So we don't blurb her, it's that simple. If people want to lower the bar across the board or impose a different standard such as "major contributor" then that should be agreed at WT:ITN first. —
Amakuru (
talk) 06:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, it looks fine on that score. The only issue I can see is length. At 12,000 words, it's halfway between "probably should be trimmed" and "almost certainly should be trimmed", per
WP:TOOLONG guidelines, but I won't object to ITN on that basis. Support RD. —
Amakuru (
talk) 07:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment, we have posted Tina Turner and Tony Bennet as blurbs before, based in the "major contributors" or "transformative in their field" rationale. Hardy may belong to the same league.
Alexcalamaro (
talk) 02:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose blurb per Amakuru. Was she famous in France? Yes. Was she important enough for her death to be blurbed as a standalone news item? No. *Support RD on quality.
Chaotic Enby (
talk ·
contribs) 07:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Support RD looks well sourced (minus the lede). --
Classicwiki (
talk) If you reply here, please
ping me. 07:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Support Update on H. Biden's article is sufficient and event should be historic enough to warrant a blurb.
Bremps... 18:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose Unlike the Trump conviction, this is insignificant. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 18:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose, as much as some politicians are trying to make this into a big deal, this is no different than any other low level crime. Yes, it’s a felony. No, it’s not a relevant felony, and it doesn’t become so just because he’s the President’s son. If Joe himself were convicted of this maybe it’d be newsworthy but probably not. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (
User/
say hi!) 18:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose - he's a private citizen convicted of something inconsequential in the national or international grand scheme of things and bears no real meaning other than providing obvious partisan talking points. If he was convicted over something related to his father's presidency, that might be another matter.
RPH (
talk) 18:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Hunter Biden is only a public figure because his father is a public figure; absent increased involvement from his father (for example, a presidential pardon) then this doesn't warrant posting.
BilledMammal (
talk) 18:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose irrelevant for ITN.
_-_Alsor (
talk) 19:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose The events of his life have little real world impact. Compare it to the recent Indian election, where hundreds of millions of people voted in a democratic election to form a new government. You can't compare the scale of the two events.
Harizotoh9 (
talk) 19:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
this RFC and
further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets
WP:ITNRD.
Oppose Six sentences of prose at the moment. Needs citations. --
Classicwiki (
talk) If you reply here, please
ping me. 03:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Wait There's more info in the two headlines I read than in the current article, and who knows what might grow from those entire articles? For now, though, yeah. Way too stubby.
InedibleHulk (
talk) 03:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose There's no mention of her death outside of the infobox yet. Too much of a stub.
Estreyeria (
talk) 14:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose Her death is unreferenced. Schwede66 22:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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