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The death toll now stands at 113. But administrators here are fast asleep. --
make adifference 06:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posting after waking up. --Tone 07:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Results of
Slovenian parliamentary election, 2008 are final and will be official on Friday with little chance to change. If anyone could dedicate 5 minutes to the article, it will be ok to go up. I can do this in the afternoon at first... --Tone 07:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Head of the
Swedish National Debt OfficeBo Lundgren says that the $700 billion U.S. financial industry bailout is based on too-optimistic valuations, and may not be enough to restore confidence in the financial system.
(Dagens industri)
The
German government and private banks inject 35 billion Euros into the struggling
Hypo Real Estate, a bank that is heavily involved in the real estate business. The bank had been struggling because its Irish subsidy Depfa Bank had suffered massive losses during the subprime mortgage crisis. The HRE is the first company from the
DAX that had to be rescued by the government in recent memory.
(Handelsblatt.com)
Brazil's stock market had its worst one-day plunge in almost a decade, the
São Paulo Stock Exchange sank 9.36% to 46,028.06 points, its steepest drop since 1999.
(Reuters)
Russian
RTS falls 7,1%,
MICEX 5,5%, as investors sell off assets on emerging markets on concerns that the U.S. government's
bailout plan will not be enough to stem the financial crisis caused by the
U.S. housing bubble.
(MarketWatch)
Citigroup acquires the banking operations of
Wachovia, the troubled
Charlotte, N.C.-based bank. Under the agreement, Citigroup will absorb up to $42 billion of losses on a $312 billion pool of loans, while the
U.S. Government will take losses beyond that.
(MarketWatch)
Sweden’s official
debt collection agency is suffering from severe economic problems after having over-spent and over-borrowed and may be forced to cut staff to stop the bleeding.
(The Local)
The captain of a Ukrainian vessel (
MV Faina) loaded with tanks and weapons that was seized off the African coast says one crew member has died.
(CNN)
Somali pirates were surrounded by several foreign warships off the central coast of
Somalia.
(France 24)
Chineseastronauts return safely as the
Shenzhou 7 re-entry capsule lands. This marks the third country to successfully return three astronauts from space, and the third country to successfully return a
spacewalker from space. And the mission marks the third country to successfully develop and deploy a
spacesuit.
(Xinhua)
Also,
Image:MV Faina.jpg is uploaded on en.wikipedia, so you could possibly protect it and use it for the item. Thanks, SpencerT♦C 01:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Not really a standard ITN item so I support it. However, I'd like some more opinions from the others before posting. Also, should we include tanks in the blurb? --Tone 09:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC)reply
support, but exclude tanks--
TheFEARgod (
Ч) 18:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Is this going up? SpencerT♦C 13:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posting. Thanks for the image upload. --Tone 13:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I am having some problems with internet, could someone post the item? Thanks. --Tone 19:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)reply
While I support the inclusion of this item, I feel it was a mistake to ignore the weapons angle completely. Yes I know we need to be concise but as
Piracy in Somalia demonstrates, these sort of attacks are hardly rare but we rarely have them on ITN. Is this simply because we don't have the articles or is it because this particular attack more noteable then most? From what I can tell, it's the later and the primary reason is because the pirates happened to get lucky and captured a ship with a large number arms which understandbly has caused extra concern
Nil Einne (
talk) 09:52, 1 October 2008 (UTC)reply
It's been added now by
[1]. I forgot to mention, I don't have a preference for the specific wording, in fact the tanks part is not really that important. It's a bit headline grabbing but it seems likely to me (supported by sources
[2]) that there is no chance in hell the pirates are going to be able to steal the tanks so they aren't whats bothering people. The smaller weapons are of great concern
Nil Einne (
talk) 16:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC)reply
The article is in good shape. Since there are no official results yet, the headline should maybe focus on the high percentage for right-wing parties? By the way, the results of Slovenian election are expected to be out today, we should post those as well. The article is updated. --Tone 09:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominate Falcon rocket success. First privately developed space launch vehicle. Notable story and fairly well done article.--
Cdogsimmons (
talk) 04:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posted. --Tone 09:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Nomination for update - main objective of the mission (the spacewalk) has been fulfilled - During mission
Shenzhou 7, Zhai Zhigang performs successfully the first
spacewalk by a Chinese
taikonaut.
Hektor (
talk) 09:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)reply
This is a good proposal but I would prefer a better wording... Also, do we have an appropriate article for Turkmenistan item maybe? ITN worthy, IMO. --Tone 15:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support for Damascus story. Is quite a big event in the recent spate of bombings and the growth of global poltical insecurity. (+ something was supposed to have been added 6 hours ago)
Lihaas (
talk) 18:05, 27 September 2008 (UTC)reply
How about we feature both at once? SpencerT♦C 03:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)reply
There is absolutely no connection between Damascus and Delhi blasts. Besides, this is the second attack in Delhi in the same month. So, that makes it all the more notable. Wonder what is taking so long to put it up? --
128.211.201.161 (
talk) 05:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The article has been expanded now and features news inputs from various sources. So, ITN worthy. --
128.211.201.161 (
talk) 06:35, 28 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The pace at which people respond here is appalling. --
128.211.201.161 (
talk) 07:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Not enough people on ITN, I can't handle it all. I'll have a look. --Tone 10:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posting. --Tone 13:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support. A nation which decides to join the family of democratic nations is definitely a noteworthy event. __
meco (
talk) 06:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)reply
It's still short, the update. I'd like a couple of sentences more, then we can put this on. --Tone 10:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Ok, posting. --Tone 13:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Looking at the article, I'm not exactly seeing any updates, except a single sentence in the lead? Am I wrong? SpencerT♦C 17:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Nevermind, found it. It could use some more res, though. SpencerT♦C 17:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Strong support WaMu's assets are circa $307 billion.
Ian3055 (
talk) 03:06, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Given that IndyMac was included here, it would follow that WaMu should be mentioned. In opposition to both the suggested wordings, though, I would suggest a link to
Subprime mortgage crisis is given. ~
UBeR (
talk) 04:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Strong Support To be frank: This is absolutely insane that Wikipedia doesn't have something about this financial crisis on our news section. We are potentially on the verge of a global financial meltdown. In my opinion, it makes the encyclopedia appear to be written by high schoolers by not having something about this up there. I apologize for my frustration, but this adds to the perception that the encyclopedia is amateur, especially when it comes to financial matters. Stock markets in Asia are falling right now because the US Congress can't get a bailout plan written; tonight just had the largest bank failure in u.s. history.
[3] We really need to look alive here. People from Michigan to Melbourne to Macau to Mumbai are going to feel the effects of what's happening, maybe for years. --
JayHenry (
talk) 05:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Thanks for that. Several items have been placed prominently in ITN over the past three months, including the failures of IndyMac Bank, Fannie and Freddie, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch and HBOS. Significant improvements have been made to each of those articles as a result of their postings on the main page. I'm sure this will get posted too, but believe me when I tell you that we're on top of it here.
Cumulus Clouds (
talk) 06:05, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Note that we place items on ITN because they may be of interest to readers (which amongst other things means they must be of sufficient quality before we list them on ITN), not because they may be improved as a result of being shown (that's just an added bonus and doesn't come at all into consideration)
Nil Einne (
talk) 07:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
As Cumulus has said, we have already had several items on ITN and are probably going to have another here. Also, bear in mind that wikipedia is an encylopaedia not a news website (we have wikinews for that) and ITN despite the poor choice of name, is not intended to be a a news service. You should definitely not expect all breaking news headlines on ITN, no matter how important the events seem.
Nil Einne (
talk) 07:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm not really sure that I understand the premises of your assertion here. I certainly would expect to see a correlation between the global importance of a breaking news story and its likelihood of being featured in the ITN section, not as a result of policy but as a result of Wikipedia editors placing focus on articles covered by the event. but perhaps that is the same as what you're saying? __
meco (
talk) 07:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
There should be no great correlation beyond that caused by editor interest. Provided the item is of international interest, then the only concern when it comes to ITN is the article is up to scratch. To use one infamous (IMHO anyway) example, if a meteor hits Detroit or someone called the Messiah appears in Los Angeles tomorrow, we won't have these items on ITN unless we have suitable articles, no matter how important the events may seem. That is because wikipedia is not a news site so we don't really care how important something is, provided it's important enough. Of course, these items are likely to have so much interest that their article will quickly get up to scratch, but if that doesn't happen, it's not a failure of ITN that we don't have these items. (Perhaps a wider failure in wikipedia but not ITN)
Nil Einne (
talk) 15:57, 1 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Support We should definitely post this as it evidences the unperturbed onslaught of the financial collapse juggernaut. __
meco (
talk) 06:42, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
weak support the story definitely seems to be ITN worthy. The article is a bit on the weak side, but probably good enough for ITN
Nil Einne (
talk) 07:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support. However, please expand the intro of the article and suggest a final headline. There are 3 options here at the moment, hard to decide. --Tone 07:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Just a thought, since it's sleeping time currently in the US and these financial events center on Wall Street and the US financial system, some of the most active editors in this field (which is rather specialized) may be not be editing right now. I think we should not wait 6 hours before posting this even if the improvements which you request aren't made. __
meco (
talk) 08:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support The largest bank failure in U.S. history.... --
Hapsala (
talk) 09:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Note: OTS is the regulator empowered to close/seize WaMu. Ordinarily the
FDIC is then named by the OTS as the receiver (i.e. put in charge of winding down operations). It appears that the sale to JP Morgan Chase was concurrent with the seizure in this case, so I'm not technically sure whether OTS or FDIC (or both) is responsible for the sale. Our article currently attributes the sale to OTS, but at least one news report says FDIC was instrumental in arranging the sale.
Dragons flight (
talk) 10:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Just a reminder, please only use bullet points for wording suggestions or nominations. SpencerT♦C 11:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
This is fairly big news; I've gone ahead and updated with the following text:
This seems accurate and informative to me, after looking at the article and multiple news reports. I've also updated the image to
Wamuseattle.jpg, with a border. There are a few different images available of
WaMu Center, but the others seemed to me to clash somewhat with the page in terms of color or focus. In any case, you're of course welcome to suggest improvements, and any admin who wants to make changes, please go ahead. I'll try to monitor things for a bit, so just post on
my talk page if you want to get my attention. —
Slowking Man (
talk) 11:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
In the interest of maintaining a pretense of brevity, can I suggest using
FDIC rather than
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation? The acronym is widely recognized, the phrase "as receiver" already provides context, and the link can satisfy people who want more. Even with that contraction, this item would still be the longest on ITN at the moment.
Dragons flight (
talk) 12:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The revised text is great, thanks to
Slowking Man for apt revision, and others for helping to get this out when I was off line. Comment to Dragon's Flight on acronyms: It's preferable to spell out the first use of acronyms in any occasion, in preference to brevity, and its friendlier to an international audience. What South African or Brazilian knows what FDIC means? --
Yellowdesk (
talk) 13:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I agree it is generally a benefit to spell things out, but in this case I believe it would be a greater benefit to shorten the blurb. In the alternative, you could drop FDIC entirely and reduce the second sentence to: "The bank's accounts and operations are sold to JPMorgan Chase." I just scanned through the last six weeks of ITN history, and this stands out as the longest blurb during that time period. One way or another I feel this should be pruned back.
Dragons flight (
talk) 15:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Suggest using "crew members" instead of taikonauts. Some Chinese media sources use astronauts, some use taikonauts. Best to use a term that everyone will understand. --
Joowwww (
talk) 16:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posting. Taikonaut is becoming known so I will use it here. Feel free to change it later. --Tone 17:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I took out the part about the spacewalk, as this has yet to happen. Pls feel free to put this back on ITN when this historic moment comes. --
PFHLai (
talk) 23:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support but Oppose the word taikonaut unless somebody can explain why it isn't in the article. -
SusanLesch (
talk) 06:25, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Taikonaut is not the
common English word, astronaut is. Can this be changed please.
Ben (
talk) 13:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Ben I will copy a note to main page errors (no way to know when who will be available). -
SusanLesch (
talk) 15:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)reply
As promised, I've just added a bit about
Zhai Zhigang successfully performing his
spacewalk. --
PFHLai (
talk) 21:32, 27 September 2008 (UTC)reply
This is as important as an Antarctic ice shelf breaking off, but the information may need to be expanded (and an improvement to the blurb is needed). ~
AH1(
TCU) 23:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominate Finland school shooting. Pretty major for a Western European nation and all the more so because it took place at a school --
Daviessimo (
talk) 11:51, 23 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I added it but ITN isn't my area of expertise. Can anybody double check if it is correct?
BJTalk 12:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support. But "people" should be changed to "students". --
Hapsala (
talk) 13:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Why is it in passive (and lacking major point) shouldn't it be like: Student shot 10 people and himself and wounding some in a school shooting in
Kauhajoki,
Finland. --
Usp (
talk) 00:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)reply
ITN items should be written in present tense. SpencerT♦C 23:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Does anyone remember if the Vanuatu election was on here? If not then support. Either way, no to the photo.
Random89 04:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)reply
What's wrong with the photo? It needs to be cropped but beyond that, I don't see why it shouldn't go upEr nevermind I just realised the photo is of the outgoing PM not the new one. In that case I agree, don't see any reason for it
Nil Einne (
talk) 07:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posting a shorter blurb. --Tone 07:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I was wondering if it was possible for an editor to place some kind of editing protection on the
Edward Natapei article if possible.
Edward Natapei and the
Prime Minister of Vanuatu have been repeatedly vandalized since they were posted on the front page, especially Natapei. Please take a look at the article history. This is very unusual for an article to be vandalized this much in such a short period of time. Thanks!Scanlan (
talk) 02:35, 25 September 2008 (UTC)reply
USA beat Europe in the 2008 Ryder Cup to win {{Insert score here - not yet finished}} - Nothing wrong here I think. It'll probably get added to the Portal:Current events for today shortly.
D.M.N. (
talk) 21:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The United States defeat Europe 16½–11½, to win
golf'sRyder Cup
Already posted by Stephen. --
PFHLai (
talk) 23:28, 21 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm not thrilled about the linking of USA and Europe. First of all, Europe (as linked) is a geographical region, and has little to do with golfers. If there was a
Team USA at the Ryder Cup aticle, that would be a good link, but right now I think both USA and Europe should be unlinked.
Random89 16:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)reply
No, hold on a sec.,
wait a day. There might be a ballot check. SpencerT♦C 00:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Besides, the article is not in good shape either. I'll try to fix that in some days when more is known. --Tone 07:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The results are currently unofficial and may change yet as there was such a small difference between SDS and SD. Some votes have not been counted yet. See
[4] (Slovene) --
Eleassarmy talk 10:30, 22 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Updated. --
PFHLai (
talk) 04:43, 22 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominate Goldman and Morgan becoming bank-holding companies, could be included in the section already on the main page about the subprime crisis.--
The Devil's Advocate (
talk) 06:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Residents of
Galveston Island,
Texas are advised that they can return home next Wednesday but there will be little or no services after
Hurricane Ike destroyed much of the town.
(CNN)
Article needs more updates, but otherwise, it's a good candidate. SpencerT♦C 21:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support, but I would prefer an article about the current crisis/development in South African politics, how Mbeki was "sacked" etc.
Polipopo (
talk) 02:38, 21 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posted. When we have a page on the current crisis, we can switch the bolded link on ITN to that page. --
PFHLai (
talk) 04:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)reply
If someone created and article for the
2008 Nigerian Oil Crisis, I think we could have a good candidate...I've been seeing several stories in Portal:Current events days about related stuff. 00:36, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Trading is suspended for the third day in succession on
Russia's two main stock exchanges, the
MICEX and the dollar-denominated
RTS, amidst fear of financial collapse. News agencies are quoting Russia's Finance Minister,
Alexei Kudrin, as saying trading on Russian exchanges won't resume until
September 19.
(MarketWatch)
Officials at
MICEX stock exchange describe conditions in the Russian markets as "extraordinary".
(The Times)
Russia is facing its worst stock market decline in a decade mainly because of a confidence crisis rather than liquidity problems, Deputy Finance Minister Pyotr Kazakevich says.
(Hurriyet)
Russian President
Dmitry Medvedev orders ministers to inject another 500 billion
rubles (£10.8 billion, US$20 billion) of funds from the state budget into the markets and pledges in remarks broadcast on national television that the financial system would receive "all necessary support".
(The Times)
British bank
Lloyds TSB completes a £12.2bn takeover of rival
HBOS, the UK's largest mortgage lender. The
Competition Commission has allowed the deal as it has government backing, despite the fact that it will leave
Lloyd's HBOS in control of a third of the UK
mortgage market.
(BBC News)
It's in the portal news under Sept. 17, but I think the full results weren't confirmed until today. —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 04:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Can we wait until she actually becomes the Prime Minister? -
Mark 05:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I was thinking that the change of party leadership in a parliamentary system was roughly equivalent to the nomination of the Presidential candidates in the US — Obama and McCain made ITN when they secured the leadership of their parties, so why shouldn't Livni? —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 08:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
That was rather controversial and really only got through because of the level of international coverage the/this US election buildup is receiving. (Plus with Obama since he was the first African American.) Changes of leadership of parties in countries with parliamentry systems are not necessarily uncommon (for example one happened several days ago in Australia) and definitely are not usually ITN worthy in themselves (the change of leader of opposition for example is definitely not in itself of sufficient significance for ITN). If there is something special about this change (is she the first female leader of a major party in Israel?) then there may be a case, but if the only thing here is she may become the Prime Minister then we should wait until she becomes Prime Minister. If she doesn't become Prime Minister then really there's no reason it should have been there anyway.
Nil Einne (
talk) 13:23, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I think this was discussed before. It is not for sure she will become PM, she's only the predisent of the party now. We can put this on when she becomes PM. --Tone 13:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support when the time comes. -
SusanLesch (
talk) 21:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominate '
Lloyds TSB complete a £12.2bn takeover of rival
HBOS, the United Kingdom's largest mortgage lender' -- Huge repecussion of current economic crisis and one not in the US! Also it will create one of the largest financial institutions in the world --
Daviessimo (
talk) 06:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
This blurb is becoming longer and longer, maybe we should drop one or two events that happened a few days ago and focus on the latest? --Tone 13:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Drop the Merrill Lynch-Bank of America story for this one. Or the AIG story since nothing really happened yet. –HowardtheDuck 16:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I do not support Lloyds news. Not as big as US corp news. --
gppande«talk» 18:26, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Oh so the rule is now that only US firms or banks going belly up are 'big' enough to get on ITN. £12.2bn is over $21Bn which is huge some of money. Also the newly merged firm will have over 35m customers and even with the expected 40,000 job losses will employ over 100,000 people (which is 4 times more than Lehmann brothers about 15,000 fewer than AIG). Oh but I forgot
AIG 'nearly' collapsing is a bigger than this 'actual' development --
Daviessimo (
talk) 19:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posted, by dropping Merrill Lynch from the existing blurb, adding in the HBOS news and rejigging it a bit. The fourth and fifth biggest banks in the United Kingdom merging is definitely 'as big as US corp news'. And HBOS is bigger than Merrill Lynch anyway. -
Mark 03:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Suggestion Can the blurb be shortened down? -
c4v3m4n 03:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes, but the other side of the Main Page is unusually long today, so we'd end up having to add some old news back on the end to balance it out. -
Mark 03:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Okay, hopefully shortened down enough now. -
Mark 03:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I definitely support this news piece as well and I agree with the removal of Merrill Lynch since both AIG and Lehman supersede that item in terms of market impact. Given the condition of English financial markets, we definitely need more coverage of the subprime crisis in the UK too.
Cumulus Clouds (
talk) 04:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Trading is suspended for the second day in succession on
Russia's two main stock exchanges (the
MICEX and the dollar-denominated
RTS) after shares fall dramatically, forcing the
central bank in
Moscow to intervene.
(The Times)(Bloomberg)
Posted. No one objects, eh? --
PFHLai (
talk) 03:05, 21 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I'd suggest an update to the lead Subprime Crisis item indicating that Lehman Brothers is to be partially acquired by
Barclays plc.
Radagast (
talk) 21:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Do you have any wording ideas in mind? SpencerT♦C 01:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The article doesn't seem to be updated enough for a story about the reported 'tentative agreement reached for talks to commence', really. -
Mark 02:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I posted at blurb near the bottom of ITN about the state of emergency and the arrest of the Governor of Pando. Please feel free to update the blurb as the story develops. --
PFHLai (
talk) 05:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posted. -
Mark 03:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I've taken this back off again, because there appear to be a lot of sourcing problems on the article which should be fixed. -
Mark 05:13, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
More on the subprime crisis; the UK press are reporting that
Lloyds TSB has agreed to take over HBOS to avoid the latter's collapse. --
Kwekubo (
talk) 22:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I haven't read that it was to avoid HBOS's collapse. We need to be careful what we say. Perhaps: "
Lloyds TSB agrees to merge with HBOS amidst ongoing instability in global financial markets." -
Mark 02:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Fighting in Somalia has killed 838 people since June, according to local rights activists, bringing the total to have died in an insurgency that began early last year to 9,474.
(Reuters)
Russia's most liquid stock exchange
MICEX and the dollar-denominated
RTS suspend trade for one hour after the worst one-day fall in ten years as Finance Minister
Alexei Kudrin reassured markets there was no "systemic" crisis.
(Reuters)
Six men have been found guilty of terrorism-related offences in
Melbourne,
Australia.
Abdul Nacer Benbrika was found guilty of intentionally directing the activities of a terrorist organization while five other men were found guilty of being members of the same organization. Four other men were acquitted and the jury is still considering its verdict on two men.
(ABC News Australia)
Ukraine's ruling coalition is
formally dissolved after parties supporting Prime Minister
Yulia Tymoshenko, in alliance with the
Party of Regions, pushed legislation limiting the powers of President
Viktor Yushchenko resulting in his party's withdrawal from the coalition. Tymoshenko's party is expected to form an alliance with the Party of Regions or new elections will be held.
(AFP via Google News)
Nominating2008 Ukrainian political crisis since past situations tended to result in problems, greater attention will be given here following the conflict in Georgia, and it could lead to a major shift in Ukraine's political situation as well as impacting its potential NATO membership.--
The Devil's Advocate (
talk) 09:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support IF the parliament has officially been dissolved because snap elections are normally ITN material --
Daviessimo (
talk) 10:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Snap elections announcement makes it to ITN. Otherwise... maybe, what would the headline be? Even the formation of different government would be ITN. Let's wait a day or two to see the development. --Tone 11:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Coalition is down; posted.--
chaser -
t 03:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - as it is now - "related to the South Ossetia war" - it gives an
wp:undue weight to South Ossetia war as a main reason of the crisis. This is disputable and sources like BBC doesn't even mention the war as a reason for the crisis. See also latest edits to the article and article talk page. --
windyhead (
talk) 17:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - The New York Times has
reported that
American International Group may file for bankruptcy protection as early as Wednesday, September 17. This would be the largest bankruptcy in United States history and possibly the largest bankruptcy in world history. AIG is the largest insurance company in the world and its collapse will, according to the Times, have far reaching global financial impact. This could be combined with the news on Lehman and Merrill Lynch, provided that it's reposted at the top to provide more updated coverage. Otherwise, it can stand by itself as a major news event.
Cumulus Clouds (
talk) 16:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support if this happens and if the article is updated properly. From natural didasters to bank disasters in a couple of days... --Tone 17:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Gov't rescue added to the other news items.--
chaser -
t 03:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The AIG item seems to be toing the line of
WP:CRYSTALBALL... "The Federal Reserve rescues insurer AIG from likely bankruptcy"...yes, I know it was probably going to happen. Can we have a change of wording, say (?) "The Federal Reserve loans
AIG $85 billion, ..." SpencerT♦C 11:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Wording looks much better now. Thanks, SpencerT♦C 22:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Twelve tourists are killed and 37 injured when a
coach collides with a delivery truck outside of
Ras Sidr in
Egypt. Reports suggest 7 of the 12 dead are foreign nationals.
(Sky News)
Six men have been found guilty of terrorism-related offences in
Melbourne,
Australia.
Abdul Nacer Benbrika was found guilty of intentionally directing the activities of a terrorist organization while five other men were found guilty of being members of the same organisation. Four other men were acquitted and the jury is still considering its verdict on two men.
(ABC News Australia)
NASA scientists report that the
ozone hole over the
Antarctic has reached its largest expanse, 27 million square kilometers, vs 26 million square kilometers in 2006.
(NASA) European Scientists at ESA concur.
[5]
ITN candidates for September 15
NominatingLehman Brothers bankruptcy. Very important development of the US banking crisis with international ramidications. Dovetails with the takeover of Fannie and Freddie, and shows that the crisis is far from over and that the entire US banking system is verging on collapse, a collapse which many assert would cause a meltdown of the global financial system. Very, very serious. __
meco (
talk) 06:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Suggest an update of the Zimbabwe power sharing deal to show it is official and that Tsvangarai in the now PM --
Daviessimo (
talk) 10:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
That sounds good to me. Although the emboldened link should be
power-sharing agreement so it links to the 2008 Zimbabwean political negotiations article which has more info --
Daviessimo (
talk) 10:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Upon further review, we can't put this on ITN yet. Tsvangirai has not yet taken office. The 'new' post has to be (re)created by a constitutional amendment, which won't be done till next month. --
PFHLai (
talk) 05:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Amateur supernova hunters
Koichi Itagaki and
Hiroshi Kaneda rediscovered on September 10 the long-lost comet
D/1896 R2, which had been discovered by the French astronomer
Michel Giacobini at Nice on September 4, 1896. With a period of a little less than 7 years, this comet had returned sixteen times without being seen until now. It was added to the
list of periodic comets as the 205th such comet.
The
Georgian foreign ministry has released an official statement stating that 'In the villages of the Tskhinvali region/South Ossetia, Georgia, the separatist regime continues carrying out persecution of local Georgian population based on their ethnic origin', adding that 'Once again it becomes evident that for the Russian government the ethnic cleansing remains as one of the main methods for achieving its political goals'.
(Rustavi 2)
Irakli Okruashvili, ex-defense minister of
Georgia granted political asylum in
France, claims President of
GeorgiaMikhail Saakashvili 'must be held accountable [for the war] and resign... If he doesn't it will lead to criminal charges against him'. Irakli Okruashvili claims he has been working with
Saakashvili on plans to regain control on
Abkhazia and
South Ossetia since 2005 but was sure that
Georgia could not succeed by military means.
(Spiegel)(Civil.Ge)
Nigerian Oil Crisis:
Nigeria's main rebel group declared an "oil war" in the west African nation in response to what it said were "unprovoked" attacks by Nigerian government forces a day earlier.
(CNN)
Brazil suffers severe natural gas shortages following the cut off of natural gas supplies from Bolivia, which provides half of Brazil's natural gas.
(Financial Times)permanent dead link
Government officials announce they plan to arrest
Pando Governor
Leopoldo Fernández and that troops from Cobija airport will be sent to retake the city.
(Reuters)
Nominate Flight 821. Article's short, but definitely a notable topic. Maybe some new info will emerge overnight.
BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 03:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The article is in better condition now, just do something about the image and check the death toll so that it is accurate. --Tone 11:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posted. --Tone 12:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Landfall is not really descriptive, maybe you should formulate it in such a way that it mentions damage caused? --Tone 22:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I deliberately left
Effects of Hurricane Ike in Texas out to avoid the appearance of US-centrism on MainPage.
Effects of Hurricane Ike in Haiti are much more lethal and severe, yet we don't even have a wikiarticle. I chose to focus on the landfall because the landfall pic appears to be the best pic available when midnight UTC comes. With a short TFA coming in, the LA train crash may have to come off ITN soon in order to balance MainPage. We need a new pic soon. --
PFHLai (
talk) 23:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support If we need an image, there's plenty of Ike. SpencerT♦C 00:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Ok, try to include both articles, effects on Haiti and effects on Texas. ITN should also promote newly created articles and this is not too US-centric, if you include both. --Tone 09:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The issue is, we don't have an article on the effects on Haiti. SpencerT♦C 11:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Looks like Hurricane Ike won't make a second landfall at ITN till Wikipedia has a more balanced coverage of the hurricane damages. --
199.71.174.100 (
talk) 17:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Though unusual, I actually support this one because of the recent catastrophy-biased coverage. Good we still have CERN up there...--Tone 22:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
2008 Italian Grand Prix needs more references. Otherwise it is good to go up. Or should the focus be on Vettel? There is not much update regarding the news there... --Tone 22:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose There are many auto races, and this isn't listed at
WP:ITNSPORTS. However, Support if the focus is on the driver, who is the youngest to win an F1 race. SpencerT♦C 00:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't think ITNSPORTS is relevant here. ITNSPORTS makes it clear it's not intended to supercede normal discussion when there is an unusual event. Despite the perhaps confusing suggestion above, I don't think anyone is trying to suggest we put up this race because we should put up every F1 race or every Italian GP but rather because of the record here of Vettel being the youngest person ever to win an F1 race. Whether the reason is good enough is a relevant point of contention and the article clearly needs to be up to scratch but I think any discussion should be on the real issues here. I do agree the depressing part doesn't seem of great relevance to the discussion either
Nil Einne (
talk) 06:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I've updated
Vettel's article with a section devoted to the Grand Prix but its only small as its hard to maintain the focus on the Driver without wondering to much towards a race report. I definately think we can get this up as it is a very noteworthy event in sport --
Daviessimo (
talk) 09:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
OK I've updated this a bit more now so that it is a decent size and contains several references. It can be updated with more imformation about the race (or specifically how Vettel did) but i'll only add that if its not considered ready to go up --
Daviessimo (
talk) 11:12, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
What is it with the lack of admins on ITN? Its over 24hrs since an update and the concensus is that this should go up --
Daviessimo (
talk) 12:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posting. The article looks ok now. --Tone 16:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Unnecessary verbosity should be cut out: unless, of course "youngest driver in history" is needed to eliminate all those young motor racing drivers from pre-historical times.
Kevin McE (
talk) 16:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Actually the official results are not out yet, only the provisional results although the results are clear. And I would say it's at least a bit depressing, while it's good that they've finally held an election after such a long time and one that went off without major incident, the article suggests they've still far away from an ideal democracy
Angolan legislative election, 2008#Observers and assessments of the election.
Nil Einne (
talk) 06:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Look on the bright side -- things are improving there, just slowly. It's a significant moment in Angolan history anyhow. --
199.71.174.100 (
talk) 07:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
So what would the blurb here be? --Tone 09:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I'd rather say majority instead of 82%. So is this official or still provisional? At least secure enough to put it on ITN? --Tone 17:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posting. --Tone 21:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - It took a little longer than I thought (see my first suggestion further down this page) but I expect two things will happen tomorrow: 1.
Lehman Brothers will be liquidated. All sources in that article indicate that this is the direction the company is headed in and this will make major news as it is the fourth largest investment bank 2.
Bank of America will announce they have purchased
Merrill Lynch. The talks there appear to be in very advanced stages and Bank of America has indicated they have already cemented the deal. Both articles have been updated accordingly and I feel that both of these items could be combined into one, though that may be rather long for the template. Otherwise they both qualify individually for listing at WP:ITN. I'll write the suggested wording if the news is announced tomorrow.
Cumulus Clouds (
talk) 22:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
AIG is also planning a major announcement tomorrow, which may prove to be equally important to those of the three banks mentioned above.
Cumulus Clouds (
talk) 23:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Wait for the talks to be completed before this goes up. SpencerT♦C 00:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I put it there, it seems that several editors have worked on correcting those issues so I'll go ahead and remove it.
Cumulus Clouds (
talk) 05:49, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posting, the merged blurb is fine. --Tone 09:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
(unindent)Okay, the Lehman brothers article looks okay, while a 2-sentence update for Merrill Lynch isn't good. If possible, please update further Merrill Lynch. SpencerT♦C 11:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I'll put more information, but bear in mind that before Sunday afternoon, that article was missing any relevant history for Merrill from the past 10 years. I'll update it further at some point today. Also,
American International Group and
Washington Mutual are both on deck for big news in the next week, so I will work on those articles as well.
Cumulus Clouds (
talk) 15:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Western countries are pledging substantial aid to Georgia – as much as 3.5-4 billion dollars in grants and loans.
(RP)
Georgia's President
Mikheil Saakashvili has arrived in the village of Koda and to supervise rehabilitation works of ten blocks, owned by the Georgian Defense ministry, in which the IDPs from South Ossetia will be temporarily settled there.
(Rustavi 2)
Nominate - There is an ongoing series of bomb blasts in New Delhi. So far at least 5 blasts have been reported and 12 people killed.
An article needs to be created for this, and as anon, I cannot create. --122.162.60.204 (talk) 14:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
The article is
2008 New Delhi bombings. Some more updates and I can put this up. Propose a good formulation. --Tone 15:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)reply
We had Ike before so in order to have it again, something more significant than landfall should happen. (hopefully it doesn't...) --Tone 13:34, 13 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Ike made a disaster. Maybe this should go up... Opinions on the wording? --Tone 12:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Posting, I will just change the wording to mention rugby and write New Zealand instead of All Blacks because not everyone is familiar with this term. --Tone 13:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The teams name is officially (and colloquially) the All Blacks, unlike the other countires teams. How does this sound?
Ok, better. Still, I have omitted the result as we usually don't include it. --Tone 13:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Last thing, could you possibly change the "In
rugby" to "In
rugby union"? Rugby is a very broad term. Thank you,
MattWT (
talk) 13:21, 13 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The All Blacks almost always win this tourney, it's not news anymore. –HowardtheDuck 01:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I've removed this news story. The article as it stands isn't updated enough to satisfy the updated content requirements of
WP:ITNMP, namely "Updated content must be thoroughly referenced" (there is only one reference provided) and "while articles in topics such as sporting events ... lend themselves to tables of numbers, updates must be at least in part written in prose to qualify for ITN consideration". I couldn't find any prose in there which says that New Zealand won the series. -
Mark 02:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I've updated the article now, 4 citations and rewriten some of the prose to indicate All Blacks won. Could you either re-add it, or tell me what I need to do in addition to that?
MattWT (
talk) 04:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Thanks for addressing my concerns. It's still a little low on the prose for my liking (why no match summaries or things like that?) but in any event I've restored it now. -
Mark 09:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support. Tell me when you're done with the article. --Tone 14:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I think I'm done. Could you give the article a quick lookover? Wording (?): A mudslide caused by an illegal
mine in
Linfen,
Shanxi province,
China kills 178 people.
Posted. The article is fine. --Tone 16:02, 13 September 2008 (UTC)reply
A BIG thanks to Tone for his outstanding work in keeping ITN lighting fast... Keep up buddy. --
gppande«talk» 20:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)reply
:-) I have realized that I am sometimes forgetting to add ITN banner on the talkpages of the articles featured and on the nominator's talk. Someone please add it when I forget (or I don't have time to do it). --Tone 20:58, 13 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Bolivia declares
martial law in the department of
Pando following days of clashes between supporters of the national and local governments.
(AFP)(BBC Mundo)
North Korean leader
Kim Jong-Il is said by Chinese authorities to be suffering irregular convulsions following a stroke which kept him from attending the country's 60th anniversary celebration. Chinese authorities believe his long-term ability to govern will be impeded.
(AFP via Google News)
This is a scheduled election, not a snap election. The calling of the election was merely a procedural move. We should wait till we have the final results are in the article before we post this on ITN. --
199.71.174.100 (
talk) 06:39, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Agreed. I still don't think we should have put the Canadian election, which while an early election was evidentally nothing unusual. But this one has even less reason. If we're going to put this, we might as well make it official policy to put every election when it's called if there is a suitable article
Nil Einne (
talk) 08:36, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Canada's election was a snap election; it belongs up there. If this one is a regular election, which it is, then it does not. --
Kitch(
Talk :
Contrib) 18:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominate: A collision between a passenger and a freight in
Los Angeles kills 15. –
Zntrip 05:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support, but the article needs some expansion. SpencerT♦C 14:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)reply
No section in the article appears to mention the memorial's opening. SpencerT♦C 00:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
A new section has been added about the dedication ceremony. Plus, it's been almost two days since a story's been added to ITN.
Benjaminx (
talk) 02:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Strong Oppose Does not qualify notability. Just an event. --
gppande«talk» 13:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominate. The Channel Tunnel fire . Major transport artery between UK and France (and longest undersea tunnel) is closed. Pretty noteworthy I'd say
Are there any deaths or ₤100000+ damage to the tunnel? Otherwise, it's not quite notable as it is. Just because it is closed doesn't exactly meet notability. SpencerT♦C 19:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Well, I updated
Eurotunnel and came here to nominate but
Channel Tunnel was already updated. Then I found another new article
Channel Tunnel fire (2008) is already written. Looks WP has recorded more than 1 fire :-D Which two would be extinguished??? --
gppande«talk» 19:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I support this. Good article, news, etc. Put 'er up!
BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 01:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Query: The tunnel wasn't destroyed. There was no high death toll. What is the significance of this fire? --
199.71.174.100 (
talk) 06:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The significance is because the tunnel is widely regarded as a huge feat of engineering (often seen as one of the seven modern wonders of the world), is a key transport artery in North Western Europe that could have far reaching consequences in hauliage etc given the current economic climate. Latest news i have seen suggests the fire is under control but still burning some 17 hours later which is longer than the 1996 fire. Obviously no one will know the damage as of yet but it could 10's of million of pounds
I support this. The tunnel is the longest under-sea tunnel in the world, and this is (apparently) only the second fire in its history. -
Mark 07:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
What't the consensus on this going up. It now appears that this was a major fire destroying almost 30 lorries and damaging over 700m of tunnel. It is likely to cost several hundred million pounds to repair and will affect services through the tunnel for months to come -
77.96.49.30 (
talk) 21:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
If that's the case, then it should be in the article and sourced.
Nil Einne (
talk) 11:58, 13 September 2008 (UTC)reply
This is very big news for Zimbabwe and has been months in the works. It's gotten lots of international press.--
chaser -
t 02:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
When will
Politics of Zimbabwe get updated with info on the new political structure? Looking forward to seeing this on ITN. --
199.71.174.100 (
talk) 06:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Strong support: The article
2008 Zimbabwean political negotiations is too much elaborate. I think this is great news to go up. Also the red banner on top of this page looks ugly. Some admin please update the ITN with above nominated blurb quickly. --
gppande«talk» 07:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
WHERE ARE ADMINS???? SINCE 52 HOURS NO UPDATE. WHY IS THIS NOT GOING UP? --
gppande«talk» 13:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
This seems to be the best of the recently proposed news, posting. --Tone 14:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)reply
US President
George W. Bush pledges 4,500 troops to
Afghanistan over the next few months and orders 8,000 troops currently stationed in
Iraq to be home by February.
(CBC News)
The new setup in CERN starts operating tomorrow. Make sure the article is in good condition so that it gets a place on ITN. Some good science news! --Tone 20:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I know, LHC. There is not much about tomorrow's test running in the article yet but no doubt there will be soon. No black holes, I hope :-) --Tone 21:18, 9 September 2008 (UTC)reply
This may be news for the mainstream media, but I don't see why we should put it on the main page yet. Sending the first beam around — which is what is supposedly happening tomorrow — is not that big of a deal. We should only be putting this on the main page when they do something that hasn't been done before (i.e., colliding at full speed, making some sort of discovery, etc). ---
RockMFR 00:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I sort of agree, sort of disagree. There's been a lot of build-up to this first test, but it will be far more noteworth if they find the
Higgs boson. If nothing better, post this, I say.
BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 02:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
It's the largest science experiment ever, that alone makes it worthwhile. The conspiracy theories about Earth's destruction are just icing on the crazy cake. Besides, we so rarely have news that's something other than sports, elections or disasters. This would be nice for a change. --
Hemlock Martinis (
talk) 03:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I agree, the news should be put up once the experiment begins today and later if there is a major discovery then the blurb can be updated accordingly or another blurb can be put up. What is the scenario at the time of discovery. But let's put it up for now --
gppande«talk» 08:49, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Article updated, posting. --Tone 09:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - There will be a major announcement tomorrow morning in New York on the fate of
Lehman Brothers, the largest investment firm in the country. They are expected to release a report detailing a large quarterly loss and, after the collapse of today's takeover purchase from a South Korean investment firm, may send the bank into insolvency or bankruptcy. If that happens this item should definitely be covered in the template (concious, as we all are, of the news from Fannie & Freddie that was just placed there), possibly as early as tomorrow afternoon. If this happens, it will be the largest collapse of a Wall Street bank resulting from the current subprime mortgage crisis (larger still than Bear Stearns). I will update the article tomorrow and will nominate it for ITN if this happens.
Cumulus Clouds (
talk) 06:45, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Although I have Google NEWS and see Lehman Brothers' current troubles it would be nice to have a cite to where you are getting your information. Otherwise, there is an appearance of speculation.--
Cdogsimmons (
talk) 03:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I've been continuously updating the article and you can find references there. The financial crisis is also expanding to include
Washington Mutual, whose stock lost 30 percent of its value yesterday. We may see two large national banks come down in the next few days, so I'll follow it carefully and update here accordingly.
Cumulus Clouds (
talk) 05:10, 11 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The Lehman article was apparently just mentioned on CNBC for some unsourced OR that was inserted earlier on the imminent sale of the company. There's a couple mentions on it
here and
here.
Cumulus Clouds (
talk) 22:19, 11 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The
US military is to 'review an inquiry' into an air raid on a village in
Herat province,
Afghanistan, after a new video evidence emerged indicating 'scores of
civilian deaths'. The US air raid in
Afghanistan left up to 90 people dead, 'many of them women and children', the Afghan government and the UN said. However, US officials claimed earlier that 'no more than seven civilians died'. The bodies of 'at least 10 children and many more adults' appear in two videos made with cell phones in the
Afghan village
Azizabad after the raid.
(BBC News)(AP)
'Senior
US soldiers and two military contractors' were training 80
Georgianspecial forces serviceman only 'month prior' these commandos entered
South Ossetia on the night of August 8.
Military Professional Resources Inc. (MPRI), one of the contractors, is known also for training the Croatian military in 1995 'prior to their invasion of the ethnically-
Serbian Krajina region, which led to the displacement of 200,000
refugees'. However, 'there is no evidence' that the contractors or
US military knew these commandos 'were likely be used in the assault on South Ossetia'.
(Financial Times)
Support.
Serena Williams seems to be only updated article so it should be the bolded link.
2008 US Open should probably be linked to in the blurb as well.
Hammer Raccoon (
talk) 13:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Too little information present in
Serena Williams article. Expand it first. --
gppande«talk» 13:43, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support. The information doesn't seem to be lacking now. Also, the result of the Murray-Federer match (Murray win) should be added to this, after it has finished in about 8-10 hours time. It should probably be bumped back up to the top at that point as well. Also, the 2008 US Open article has been updated.
Yohan euan o4 (
talk) 17:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I think that leaves more room for an update with the men's champion when that's known (and the relevant articles are updated). I'll also note that a crop of
Image:Serena Williams.jpg would be (IMO) much more interesting on the front page than a shot of the Canadian House of Commons. —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 22:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Added, since there seems to be a consensus above. —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 01:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominate
Angolan legislative election, 2008. The article seems to have enough content and refs, and with all the US election news going up, people can't complain of systemic bias. :). --SpencerT♦C 23:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support. What do you propose the hook should be? Also, why aren't the election figures in the table yet? Nishkid64(
Make articles, not wikidrama) 04:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Pls fill out the results table first. --
76.64.76.141 (
talk) 17:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Official results won't be released for another 5 days, though there are
preliminary results. I'll see if I can make this update to the article later. SpencerT♦C 00:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Vineet Raj Srivastava, The top Developer of HP India died
ITN Candidates for September 7
Nominating the Assam floods news. --
gppande«talk» 10:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Is there an article for the floods? SpencerT♦C 16:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Again the floods? The section in the article is expanded, this is ok. --Tone 16:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I had made the word bold in news line above but somehow it was reduced to normal text. The article is same
2008 Indian floods. Yes, again floods, this year India is dealing floods in one state after another. Even if Bihar flood waters have not receaded Assam is battering with floods now. So there is a need for the news should go to ITN. It's just like Americas see huricanes one after another. I have added a new section in the main article. Please post it to ITN. --
gppande«talk» 19:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Good. Propose a headline. --Tone 19:51, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Please post: The blurb has been suggested above and news qualifies to ITN. --
gppande«talk» 10:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Note: I am making this a color box to direct the admin attention. The box can be removed once the news is posted.--
gppande«talk» 15:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't usually edit politics, but doesn't saying someone should be arrested give Wikipedia a liability problem?
2008 Indian floods says "Nilendu Sanyal should have been booked under law for his past misdeeds ... "
Art LaPella (
talk) 22:40, 9 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Indeed, this part is bad. Someone please edit this (or add ref). --Tone 08:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I'd put it on hold until something significant happens (so that there is a decent headline). Bad luck with the huricanes this year... (Anyone feels we are getting weather-centric recently? - check also the post above) --Tone 16:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
As well, this could be combined with the Hannah blurb for now. Any suggestions for formulation? --Tone 19:51, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Nom Fannie and Frankie going into conservatorship. Lead should mention that these two hold over 50% of all US mortgages, which gives the perspective of the magnitude of this action. __
meco (
talk) 17:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
This news I think could need a separate article. And
conservatorship could also use some cleanup. SpencerT♦C 18:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Support. I would say "takes control" instead of "seizes control." --
Mwalcoff (
talk) 18:40, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Does it have international impact? Probably yes, considering the finance crisis. Conditional support, in order not to have only weather-related catastrophes on ITN. --Tone 19:51, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I think "seizes" is quite appropriate. Also, I would very much like to have some flesh for the many users who haven't heard about these institutions and don't immediately grasp the magnitude of this. There are several factoids in this to conseptualize this, i.e.
"one of the most sweeping government interventions in private financial markets in decades" according to the
Washington Post[6]
The fact I mentioned in nominating this story about these two companies holding over 50% of all US home mortgages.
I agree that this should become an article on its own. __
meco (
talk) 20:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
-The U.S. Treasury department did not seize control. Yes it has tremendous international impact. As much as several trillion of dollars of Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) , guaranteed by the two, and in addition, debt issued directly by the two entities in question are held by international financial entities, one very significant holder being the central bank of China, for which I don't have citations, but have read about. At the moment the article
Federal Housing Finance Agency, gives a good brief on the conservatorship intents and actions, with citations, and the
Fannie Mae#Conservatorship section and citations give fair background, mostly provided by me. Some details:
-The director of the
Federal Housing Finance Agency, James Lockhart III, placed the two
government sponsored entities into a
conservatorship, with the FHFA as the conservator, pursuant to the authority created in the Federal Housing Finance Regulatory Reform Act of 2008, which is a sub-part of the larger
Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008, Public Law 110-289, signed into law July 30, 2008. The U.S. Treasury is only a financing body for the in-conservatorship enties. In that conservatorship, the CEOs were dismissed, board and management authority is assumed by the conservator; the former CEOs agreed to stay on in a consultative capacity, and the rest of managment team is intended to be retained for the near term; dividends were suspended on common stock and preferred stock, normally payments amounting to US$ two billion annually; financing facilities were made available at the Treasury department; all political activity is ceased, especially lobbying activities, and capital requirements relating to MBEs are also suspended, The colloquial "seize" and "control" is not specific enough for the very particular actions that have taken place.
Couldn't somebody start the article Federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? When the markets react to this and comments and commentary from various directions amass, this should all be organized in one article dealing only with this event. Right now I have to go. __
meco (
talk) 22:50, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I created a stub for this article, using the suggested article title:
Federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. After doing so, I suspect a more correct title would have been "U.S. Government takeover..." -- but any change will have to be handled later on after more editors are working on the article.
N2e (
talk) 00:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't think anyone is going to disagree with this item, we just need to get the wording and article right.
Nil Einne (
talk) 04:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
- I'll attempt phrasing based on this example. It's not a failure though, but a regulatory action to prevent failure. -
Yellowdesk (
talk) 14:43, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The New York Times this morning called it "one of the most expensive financial bailouts in history," so maybe you want to go with that phrasing.
Cumulus Clouds (
talk) 15:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
-I'm not sure which "that" you intend. This distinguishing charateristic is that this is NOT
receivership, and there is no liquidation, and although stockholders will lose a lot of money, they're not completely out of the picture. I'll try a draft here: How about:
Too long, and it introduces several terms which we cannot assume many readers are familiar with. It doesn't convey the gravity to the casual reader. __
meco (
talk) 17:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't intend to stand in the way. My formulation by being more general encompasses the idea of bailout. You could take out the 1 billion sentence to shorten it. I'll be off line for two hours. Do what you can without me. --
Yellowdesk (
talk) 17:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Just a note to say per Nil Einne, support addition. Global story.
86.44.22.206 (
talk) 17:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
This should go up today (ASAP really) since it's already big news and we're trailing on this one.
Cumulus Clouds (
talk) 19:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Agreed, this is dragging out. __
meco (
talk) 19:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
This looks good, and there appears to be consensus on it. It's a bit late, but better late than never. I'll put it up. —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 21:46, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Stephen (
talk·contribs) removed the sentence "It is one of the largest banking failures in United States history" for being "editorial". I understand that concern, but I think that without that sentence, the item lacks context and will be incomprehensible to many readers, especially outside the United States. Does anyone have further suggestions for better wording, to indicate the magnitude of this event? —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 22:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Oops — I should have read more carefully, and seen the correction about "banking interventions" as opposed to "banking failures". I'll put that wording up for now, but am happy to have a better context-providing wording provided later.. —
Josiah Rowe (
talk •
contribs) 22:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominate Canadian election call. Don't know how to word the blurb right. Big news from a (mostly) English-speaking country with lots of Wikipedia users. --
Mwalcoff (
talk) 21:54, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Just posted :)
The Tom (
talk) 22:01, 7 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Since when have we posted the calling of an election? We usually only post the result.
Jmount (
talk) 00:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I think one of the big, English-speaking Westminster countries (UK, Can., Aus.) merits a blurb for the beginning and end of the election. --
Mwalcoff (
talk) 02:42, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Does that mean we should have stuff on China and India then? Each probably has more competent English speakers then Australia, Canada or possibly the UK (definitely for India, not sure about China). I personally see absolutely no reason for this, a lot of people feel we already have to much election stuff on ITN expanding our coverage to include news of an impending election just makes it worse for no good reason. If there were something unusual about it then maybe but according to the article it's not. Edit: According to this
List of countries by English-speaking population we should be putting Germany and the Phillipines and Nigeria before Canada and Australia. The list is pretty crap since the definitions vary (for example, China's 2 million which only counts HK is absurdly low and is repeated twice) but is an interesting read. Okay you may argue there is a decent German wiki so there is less reason for German but the others there's that's not the case. Even if you want to start getting into number of English speaking internet users, which you didn't mention before, India surely must at least come close to Australia, probably Nigeria too
Nil Einne (
talk) 04:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
- The difference is that the calling of an election is an event in those countries. It's a non-event in countries with a lockstep election calendar. --
Yellowdesk (
talk) 14:38, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominating news of 45 nation NSG clearing the India US nuke deal. The news is prominent as NSG approved the deal after 3 days of hectic negotiations and ending India's 34 years of nuclear apartheid. --
gppande«talk» 14:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Looks good. My support. --Tone 18:30, 6 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The article could use a bit more prose, but it's not enough to make me oppose. (Hey, it rhymes!) Support. SpencerT♦C 20:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Asteroid news is good and has a nice blurb too - Add it to ITN. --
gppande«talk» 08:18, 5 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I have added more information to it as I could get from latest news articles. I think this is good to go. --
gppande«talk» 08:28, 5 September 2008 (UTC)reply
What is actually notable about the flyby...is it any different than other
flybys?
76.205.76.204 (
talk) 11:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Steins is Rosetta's first scientific target & ultimate destination is the comet 67/P Churyumov-Gerasimenko in 2014. --
gppande«talk» 11:30, 5 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I would prefer putting this on when it reaches its target. Though it is interesting, I don't find anything particularly special about this flyby. What about the two stories proposed one day ago? --Tone 13:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)reply
A post about the new particle wuld be a nice refreshment to the ITN section, too bad the article is only a tiny stub. As well, I've read some news about rapid melting of the ice and Arctic becoming an island, do we have any update on that? --Tone 20:41, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Earlier 'up to 90' people were killed during US
air raid in
Herat province,
Afghanistan, many of them women and children, the Afghan government and the
UN said.
HRW says
civilians deaths from international air strikes nearly tripled between 2006 and 2007.
(BBC News)
GMAC's Residential Capital mortgage provider announces plans to dramatically reduce the size of its business resulting in the loss of 5,000 jobs.
(Minneapolis-St Paul Star-Tribune)
Posting. --Tone 17:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The article now says that 3 helicopters (not
helicopter gunships) and 2 jets were involved in the operation. There seems to be disagreement among the sources over this (what I would call minor) point, but perhaps we should clear it up.--
Cdogsimmons (
talk) 23:01, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I wrote the article, so I feel I should clarify. Most foreign sources (ABC, NBC) listed 2, while most Pakistani and several other international listed 3. Another ref also mentioned 2 jets. Look at the refs by the statements for the links. Thanks, SpencerT♦C 00:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Let's see the reaction for the release before posting. SpencerT♦C 23:58, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
If there is any record or market effect or whatever notable we can consider this, otherwise it's just another launch of a new product. --Tone 09:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The article needs MAJOR cleanup before going up. SpencerT♦C 00:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm confused about the headline. Maoists claim what? Maoist claims a Hindu leadsr was killed? Maoists take responsibility for the killing? What?
Nil Einne (
talk) 05:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I've fixed the red links and also added a redirect for your title :-P However IMHO it's not that important to emphasise the election. I would say a bigger issue is that Japan/the LDP appears to be in the midst of a leadership crisis with 2 PMs resign abruptly after short times in office. So maybe
Posting. Please, upload the photo. --Tone 17:22, 1 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Suggest reword to "
JapanesePrime MinisterYasuo Fukuda resigns, less than a year after succeeding prime minister
Shinzo Abe" the existing wording does not make it clear that Abe was the previous PM, or that his resignation was a year ago, not a recent event.
Random89 20:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Suggest removal of any mention of Shinzo Abe. Japanese PMs have been abruptly leaving office after a year or two for the past decade or so. It's the norm now. Mentioning just the previous one isn't really meaningful. --
199.71.174.100 (
talk) 20:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Don't think that's accurate. Koizumi was there for over 5 years. Mori was only there for only a year it's true but he took over from someone who suffered a stroke about 3 months before an expected general election. It's hardly uncommon that a person acts as a temporary leader in such situations. Keizō Obuchi suffered a stroke so he's irrelevant. Ryūtarō Hashimoto was there for nearly two and a half years. Not a long time, but not extremely short either.
Nil Einne (
talk) 06:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Well, before Hashimoto,
Sōsuke Uno,
Toshiki Kaifu,
Kiichi Miyazawa,
Morihiro Hosokawa,
Tsutomu Hata and
Tomiichi Murayama all quit after less than two years in office. Hashimoto was there for two and a half years, but he indeed resigned. I wouldn't count Obuchi, either, but Mori after him wasn't a caretaker PM, and he indeed resigned, too. I consider Koizumi an anomaly, after which Abe and Fukuda kept the trend going again. As you can see, the trend actually started more than a decade ago. I under-estimated the length of time. --
199.71.174.100 (
talk) 23:00, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply