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Fancruft minutia that fails
WP:GNG with the vast majority of sources being
WP:PRIMARY save for a one sentence reception section based on a passing mention. Wikia/FANDOM material that is unencyclopedic.
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- Delete - The article is comprised entirely of game information, mostly in-universe, and the only non-game book source currently being used actually has very little coverage of demons, in-specific. It does talk at length about the religious backlash that occurred over D&D's use of fiendish elements, and I do think that is a topic that should be covered at Wikipedia. But, it already is at
Dungeons & Dragons#Controversy and notoriety,
Dungeons & Dragons controversies,
Devil (Dungeons & Dragons), and
Fiend (Dungeons & Dragons). And we really don't need that many articles to cover the same notable topic. The actual in-universe game information in this article really should not be retained, and the information on the religious controversies that came about due to the use of demons should be covered entirely at
Dungeons & Dragons controversies. I could definitely get behind using this as a Redirect to that article, but there is really no non-gamebook information here to merge.
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- Merge to
Fiend (Dungeons & Dragons) and redirect. At the very least, this article can provide the sources absent from the "Demons" section of that target article.
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- Merge, per
Daranios. =
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- Merge to
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- Keep or merge to
Fiend (Dungeons & Dragons) per above comments since there are
WP:RS to retain, per
WP:PRESERVE and
WP:ATD.
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- Redirect to Fiend (DnD), not that I expect that one to last much longer neither. --
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This perennial candidate is not notable per
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- Keep, I think he passes
WP:GNG. While a lot of the references are just run of the mill coverage Minor candidates receive in every presidential election, he seems notable for his 1989 Mayoral run, and there is also the 2005 New York Times article. That makes two articles where he is the primary subject, and the articles on the Mayoral debates in both the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times seem to give him substantial enough coverage to count towards a GNG pass. Also, given how long ago this was, I suspect there is probably some offline coverage out there.
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- Keep per Devonian Wombat. Given that subject's Wikipedia entry has 14 references, seven of which consist of The New York Times articles, including one
devoted entirely to him, his longtime presence on the political scene and extensive publicity should certainly indicate sufficient notability for the retention of his Wikipedia article. —
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- Redirect and merge what is relevant to
1989 New York City mayoral election. Best,
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- Keep - while his runs were hopeless, because the RTL party is so small, he did survive the Liberal party's demise. There is clearly
WP:SIGCOV.
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- Comment - This article will most likely survive this nomination, at which point it will need to be moved to another descriptor. The subject is not a politician, nor has he ever been, since he has never held political office. A better description would be "perennial candidate." --
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- Keep - Per
Devonian Wombat.
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No evidence this fictional character passes NFICTION/GNG. Pure
WP:PLOT+list of appearances in media. A merge has been proposed (but sadly unfinished, with no rationale, just template) to
List of Hawkeye characters but all content here but one sentence was referenced to PRIMARY sources, and that list does not have space for this WP:FANCRUFT, so merging virtually anything there would look rather weird. Since a redirect has been challenged, here we go. Delete, keep, merge, redirect...? My recommendation is for REDIRECT given
WP:SOFTDELETE/PRESERVE/CHEAP.
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- Due to him being the closest thing to Hawkeye’s worst enemy / archenemy. I am in favor of Keep for now. I am in process of moving but I found one source that put
him in the number one spot. This by no means doesn’t mean that it’s the only source. Just that I am too busy to find others for now.
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- Thank you, but a single paragraph in a list is not very helpful. Yes, we can add a "reception" section he has been listed on a list, but you know that such lists on the Internet are dime a dozen, and in the past inclusion even in several of such lists, with no other reception, has not been sufficient to prevent articles from being merged or deleted. Through I am find with adding this list as a ref to his entry in the List of H... characters. --
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- Stop being preachy to the choir. I am well aware of how it works. I said I am busy with moving. Therefore that’s the only source FOR NOW. Or maybe never because I am tired of the sources not being good enough.
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Samrolken, why do you say that this "Fails WP:N"? There's a substantial body of coverage about the book, its influence, and its importance. A brief Google search, for example, returns these among others:
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- "The 'subject' of a work means non-trivial treatment and excludes mere mention of the book"
Wikipedia:Notability_(books)#cite_note-subject-1 While this book is mentioned and referred to a number of times, I don’t think the book itself has been the subject of enough coverage in reliable sources for it to be possible to make a good encyclopedia article about it.
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- A very quick web search reveals a fair number of titles dedicated to the topic, including the following::
- Husić, S. (2001). Territorial organisation of the narrative in" Il Regno de gli Slavi". In "Kraljevstvo Slavena" Mavra Orbinija.(Re) produkcijski okviri i recepcijski horizonti u četiristoljetnom trajanju.
- Šanjek, Franjo (2001). Mavro Orbini: Uz 400. obljetnicu djela 'Il Regno de gli Slavi' // Hrvatska revija, I
- Adinolfi, R. (2015). "Царството на славяните" от Мавро Орбини, руският превод на Сава Владиславич и изследванията по въпроса. Проглас, 24(2), 309-320.
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- Keep per
WP:NEXIST. As Usernameunique says, it's easy to find high-quality sources writing about Orbini and Kingdom of the Slavs. For example:
- "
Indetermi-Nation: Narrative identity and symbolic politics in early modern Illyrism" by Zrinka Blažević, in Whose Love of Which Country?: Composite States, National Histories and Patriotic Discourses in Early Modern East Central Europe], Koninklijke Brill (2010)
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Croatia: A Nation Formed in War by Marcus Tanner, Yale University Press (1997)
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Entangled Histories Of The Balkans - Volume One ed. by Roumen Dontchev Daskalov and Tchavdar Marinov, Koninklijke Brill (2013)
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When Ethnicity Did Not Matter in the Balkans: A Study of Identity in Pre-Nationalist Croatia, Dalmatia, and Slavonia in the Medieval and Early-Modern Periods by Larry Wolff, Stanford University Press (2002)
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Our Kingdom Come: The Counter-Reformation, the Republic of Dubrovnik, and the Liberation of the Balkan Slavs by Zdenko Zlatar, East European Monographs (1992)
- These clearly demonstrate notability. I've added these sources to the article in a Further reading section so that editors who want to improve the article can use them as resources. --
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Seems to fail
WP:NBIO/GNG (also some
WP:BLP issues). Coverage is in passing, nothing in-depth, I am not seeing a single article about him. He is often mentioned as a major donor, but coverage in such cases ranges from one sentences to a generic paragraph bio-blurb likely submitted by his staff. There is some recent coverage about a solicitation charge, but it raises BLP issues, plus
WP:ONEEVENT. No valid redirect/merge target, as merge to
J.W. Childs Associates, the only plausibly relevant article, would be strange (we don't usually add biographies of personel to articles about organization). He seems to keep a relatively low media profile... At best, per
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WP:REDIRECT (they are
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J.W. Childs Associates. Unless we can save this article by finding evidence of in-depth, independent, reliable coverage, which I failed, but I am happy to let others show me what I missed?
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- Merge with
J.W. Childs Associates, another
WP:POINTy AfD after a shot down PROD.
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- Keep Nicknamed the "Republican ATM", the subject appears in several articles and listicles, despite being notoriously "media-shy":
(1)
(2)
(3). A nice article on his conservation work through the Wild Salmon Center exists here:
(4). While the more recent coverage is about
WP:ONEEVENT, it is substantial and in-depth, and provides a ton of further detail on the man's life, e.g.
USA Today,
Boston Globe,
CNBC. I respect the BLP concern, but I think the entry can remain balanced. Given the above references, GNG is satisfied, and the subject appears notable beyond the recent charges in Florida.
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- Keep by available sources and
WP:NEXIST. Yikes, this too was prodded! Please use the tool appropriately.
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- Keep per above sources listed. Meets GNG.
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- The previous Afd has a long discussion particularly on sources. Can you please state which sources you think are press releases and from promotional websites where you can get your article published?
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- Delete, re "which sources are press releases", MedCity News "San Francisco-based patient communication company Luma Health announced Tuesday", "In the news release announcing the fundraise, the company stated." Pulse 2.0 "Luma Health announced it raised $16 million in Series B equity funding", "Luma Health formalized its partnership with Epic and announced additional EHR integration partnerships." Vator.com "On Tuesday, the company announced that it raised a $16 million Series B round of funding." Essentially those articles are just summaries of their press releases, with interviews from capital investors or the CEO talking about how great the company will be in the future intermingled in. In no way is that neutral or secondary. It's essentially just a ruse to get investors. Btw, according to
WP:NCORP partnerships, found raising, and new product announcements are not usable to establish notability. Id say especially funding. As essentially every startup gets funding when it is first starting out. So, there's nothing unique or notable about it. Especially with these kinds of companies. If you get rid of the four or so articles on that and the few others about products or whatever, there isn't really much left to actually establish notability with. --
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- I get your poing regarding
WP:NCORP but do you think a non-notable start-up would get a coverage in the Wall Street Journal
[1]? It has been used in several analysis
[2] as well. Not all references are press release.
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- I didn't say all the references where press releases, just a good portion of them. Which still matters. Even if it's technically every source. As far as the Wall Street Journal article, it's still about trivial coverage of venture capitalist founding. Which again, is trivial and not usable to establish notable. The source doesn't matter, because notability isn't inherited. Although I can't directly speak to the other source since I don't have access to it, going by the summary it seems like trivial coverage also. Since it's not specific to the company and more about "patent software" in general. Even if it is in-depth though, it's still based an analyzes of future projections of "patent software in 2020." Which doesn't meet notability either IMO. As its about notability now, not "hey, I think this software will be popular and notable in a year. So lets have an article about it now." Generally, you have to be careful when it comes to things discussing future events. Otherwise, anything could potentially be worthy of an article due to maybe being notable at some point. Anyway, if you get rid of the venture capital stuff and product descriptions from the article your just left with a stub and
WP:GNG says "editors should weigh the advantages and disadvantages of creating a permanent stub." Which this article would be. I tend to air more on the side of caution about permanent stubs then others might, especially if the subject also lacks reliable in-depth coverage, but other users are free to take a different slant with it then I do. --
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Adamant1 Thank you for the detail clarification and I do agree with the fact that we should not have an article on the basis of having a potential to become notable at future but as per
WP:GNG, there is in-depth coverage
here.--
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- We can certainly remove all press releases and
Afd is not cleanup. Please, let me know if I'm missing something.
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- Delete. While I'm a bit suspicious of the nom's sudden interest in deletion, concur with the above !votes - heavily cited to press releases, the rest is
WP:ROUTINE coverage.
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- Delete - I recommended this for deletion last year which resulted in no consensus. I still do not think it meets
WP:NCORP as the references fail
WP:ORGCRIT. For instance, the WSJ piece is a general announcement and there is no depth to the piece. So yes, WSJ would talk about a non-notable company if you remember that some companies are notable in the world of venture funding despite not being notable according to Wikipedia guidelines. --
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- I still believe the WSJ might have something useful. It will be good if any editor who has access to it can help us here. Also, if you check the previous Afd,
HighKing pointed out that it passed both GNG and NCORP based on this
reseach report. I would like to know your view please on this?--
KartikeyaS (
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- Please have a look at the sources I listed
here.
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- Clearly, this topic meets GNG and
WP:NCORP. While I agree that most (all?) of the other references are crap and fail the criteria, that only means they cannot be used for the purposes of establishing notability, they may be used to support cited facts. If any of the Delete !voters don't accept the above research reports for the purposes of establishing notability, I would be very interested to hear the reasons.
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HighKing, I'm unable to afford those reports; they're $3900 and $679. Not sure how much of those is actually about the subject. The summaries say "key players covered in this study" and "companies mentioned in this report". I suppose we could say sources exist, but I don't think they have been used. This AfD is bizarre: I'm baffled by "I still believe the WSJ might have something useful". Hand on a second; that's by the editor who
inserted the claim! How are we writing an article based on sources nobody here has access to?
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Vexations, the standard required for sources to establish notability is a lot stricter than the standard for using sources to support facts/citations within an article. For example, an interview with the CEO might be used as a source to establish how many employees a company has or where their head office is located, which is perfectly fine, but that same source likely fails the criteria for establishing notability and cannot be counted for that purpose. In relation to analyst reports particularly, they are acceptable as sources that establish notability. By their very nature, they provide descriptions of each company. Even a brief description in an analyst report is usually better than 99% of the descriptions you find in other media (in my opinion). I understand that many of these reports cost $ but that isn't a reason to discount their existence.
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HighKing, I agree, but now we have the bizarre situation that the subject is notable because reports exist that no one has read, but the article is written from sources that shouldn't have been used in the first place. Common sense, then would be to say, sure, you can write an article, but wait until you can access the good sources. Is there some emergency that requires that we immediately publish an article about this subject despite the lack of access to good sources?
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Vexations, yes, it is entirely possible for a notable topic to end up with a terrible article but AfD is not cleanup. You can tag an article for cleanup, etc, but deletion shouldn't be used for these cases.
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HighKing, well, then, it should be a Keep. I don't like it, but that doesn't matter. The subject is notable because it has been covered in at least two analyst's reports.
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Vexations, yes, that's the conclusion I came to also.
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Vexations you can at least use a source like WSJ by looking at its title.
WP:SOURCEACCESS states
Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access.
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KartikeyaS343, I may find a source difficult to access, and that does not affect the notability of the subject. However, I would expect that an editor who adds the source has read it in full. That's the basis of my good faith assumption that what a source actually says is summarized correctly by the editor who added it. But if I find out that the editor hasn't read the source, how am I going to know that that editor didn't just make something up? That is now almost certainly the case.
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- Thank you for the note and this is why I used it to cite only a single sentence which can be verified by looking at the title of the WSJ post. It would really help if anyone with the access to WSJ can comment here. --
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- Comment, neither of the two sources are reliable for the reasons I stated in
WP:RSN. Mainly, both appear to be personal blogs by people who aren't regarded as authoritative in relation to the subject. As they are just random bloggers. The first source seems to be heavily based on a company press release anyway. --
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.Relisting comment: Further evaluation of the sources provided by User:HighKing would be helpful in closing.
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The result was delete. ♠
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Minor game that seems to fail
WP:GNG. Next to no coverage outside a few mentions in passing on the web. BGG entry shows no awards or such. No reliable reviews have been found in BEFORE. It exists, but that is hardly enough to get an article in an encyclopedia, I am afraid.
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- Delete Can't find any significant sources to pass
WP:GNG. Found a handful of passing mentions in books. I assume if significant sources existed, most would be hard to find now because the game came out in the early 80s, so most sources would have to be print.
- In case anyone is interested, here are all passing mentions of the game's name I could find (some I can only see snippets of, but they don't look substantial):
The Year You Were Born: 1984,
Companies and Their Brands,
Historic Preservation,
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (
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Stub article with one source that hasn’t been edited in years
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- See also
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- Keep per Atlantic306. Coverage (at least mentions) of elementary, middle schools of district should be added. School district articles are useful for helping fight proliferation of separate articles. --
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- Keep according to current Wiki standards. There is no need for the article to experience expansion or frequent edits for maintaining importance.
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The result was merge to
Halfling.
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Non-notable article that fails
WP:GNG. Even the notability of
halfling is a bit shaky, but this article lacks notability in secondary sources and is sourced to
WP:PRIMARY ones.
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- Obvious merge to
Halfling, which is itself a stub, and would benefit greatly from the expansion, and from any other mergers/expansion that can be found. Sources that are primary to the specific concept of a D&D halfling are secondary as to the general pop culture concept of a halfling, which has no "in universe" connotation.
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- Selective merge to
Halfling. The topic of halflings as a whole is probably notable to some extent, and the D&D halflings would be part of that subject. However, the amount of detail in the entire article would be
WP:UNDUE. A trimmed version should be merged, though.
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- Redirect to
Halfling - I initially was going to suggest a selective merge, per Hog Farm, as I felt that the existence of the D&D Halflings and the legal issues regarding how they came about their names was worth a mention there. But, I see that it already is, and as there is nothing else in the article except for primary-sourced game info, I don't really see much else that would really need to be merged. At the very least, this is an unnecessary
WP:SPLIT, I would say. A Redirect would leave its history intact, in the case that others felt that there was other information worth merging.
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- Keep or merge to
Halfling per above comments since there are
WP:RS to retain, per
WP:PRESERVE and
WP:ATD.
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- Merge per
BD2412 and
BOZ and redirect. Secondary sources here are mostly but not completely present in the target article as it is now, primary sources here should be used to flesh the D&D-related info out to at least the level of those present for other fiction versions.
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- Keep per
WP:NEXIST. As one of the original races in the 1974 Dungeons & Dragons, the halfling has been discussed in non-fiction academic work on role-playing games.
- The amount of coverage in each source varies, but I think collectively they demonstrate notability. I'll put these sources on the article page in a Further reading section so that editors who want to improve the page can use them as resources. --
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- That Encyclopedia of Fantasy book, as far as I can tell, does not even talk about D&D halflings. Clicking on your link, every actual discussion of the term halfling is only in regards to other uses of the term outside of D&D, such as a half-elf or a half-selkie. In fact, that actual entry for the term "Halfling" in the book does not even mention the D&D version. The closest it actually even comes is listing the name of the D&D novel The Halfling's Gem' in a list of R.A. Salvatore's books. Additionally, that last source you provided appears to mention Halflings in exactly one sentence, where they are not even the primary subject of the sentence. Searching for sources is certainly helpful, but it would be even more helpful if you took the extra time to actually review your proposed sources before flooding the AFD with a number of them that are not actually helpful to the subject matter at all.
- Likewise, posting links to Amazon sales pages aren't particularly useful in helping others find information if you aren't going to actually tell us what the coverage in those books is, and I am not sure if it is appropriate to add those links to the Amazon sales pages to the actual article.
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- Redirect to
halfing (a rather sorry article anyway). I am not seeing any in-depth discussion of halfings in DnD, just mentions in passing in the wider, bigger context of halfing concept discourse. Sources listed by Toughpigs, those that I can access, don't seem to discuss DnD aspect beyond plot. Concept of halfing may be notable, concept of halfings in DnD is
WP:FANCRUFT. --
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- Keep - Dungeons and Dragons media has served as a baseline for a lot of fantasy media since its inception. Nominating all of these D&D pages seems like a scorched earth policy to me. If the article doesn't meet some sort of requirement, I believe it can always be improved as opposed to outright deletion.
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The result was keep. Merge can be discussed outside of AfD. Nominator is a blocked sockpuppet.
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All sources primary, not really any secondary sources found. (The primary sources seem to be dead links, also.) The article is also in very bad shape...
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- Keep No secondary sources? Try
this one. I've added this and others to the article, too. That said, I do wonder whether a merge might be possible into a single article, rather than randomly deleting one of a series of ten pages that a now blocked sock-puppet happened to have stumbled across. But I'd recommend leaving that to more expert editors.
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The result was soft delete. Based on
minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired
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Despite the rather long filmography, I can't find any reliable sources about the subject. From looking through the linked Czech Wikipedia article, of the films in the filmography with actual articles, few mention Vostrez and I didn't see any that mentioned him to a significant degree. The actual sources did not come anywhere near GNG. signed,
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The result was keep. While the voting is split, I am weighting Atlantic306's assertion of a pass at WP:NMUSIC criterion 4, supported by a reliable source, more heavily. I will make some effort to trim any promotional or subjective content from the article.
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No evidence of notability through substantial secondary sources. I can find two reviews on blogs but I’m not sure these are enough to indicate notability.
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- Comment I found one non-blog source, from
The Herald
[5]. Probably still not enough for notability, though.
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- Delete per nom, mostly non-RS to be found.
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- Keep as the reliable Glasgow Herald source shows that they had a major tour of Germany as well as appearing in Japan which is a claim to pass
WP:NMUSIC criteria 4 (only one criteria needed). They have a small bio at AllMusic, will search for more sources later, imv
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- Extra sources
here, and
here imv
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- Keep - thanks to the sources found by Atlantic306 above, though the article needs to be cleaned up with some attempted promotional statements removed. ---
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