For over 100 article reviews during 2023. Well done! Keep up the good work and thank you! Dr vulpes(Talk) 02:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
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"Geothermal resources" maps
Geothermal Energy in the Western United States (1978) from USGS doi:10.3133/cir790
Just FYI I found that the NOAA produced maps of "geothermal resources" to go with that 1980 report we use a lot. The good people of University of Nevada Reno scanned them and I grabbed them all and put them here:
I think it includes all the states in the continental U.S. north and west of Texas, except possibly South Dakota (which may well be out there somewhere). Most are in PDF format but I think can convert to jpg and/or png if need be, just let me know which ones.
I think/hope they should be citable sources if they have any info that isn't already in the report; I cited the California one in one place already as <ref name="CAgeothermmap-1980">{{Cite map |last1=Higgins |first1=Chris T. |last2=Therberge |last3=Ikelman |first2=Albert E. Jr. |first3=Joy A. |title=Geothermal Resources of California |url=https://data.nbmg.unr.edu/public/Geothermal/GreyLiterature/GeothermalResources_California_1980_R.pdf |date=1980 |publisher=California Department of Mines and Geology |publication-place=Sacramento |others=NOAA National Geophysical Center}}</ref>
I can't really figure out the name of the original report or repository these came from so just leaning on the unr.edu for now. Cheers,
jengod (
talk) 04:48, 25 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi @
Jengod, thanks for your note. How wonderful that you uploaded scans of the maps! I've got a copy of the paper maps from along with the 1980 hardcopy of the report Thermal springs list for the United States (1980) By Berry, George W. ; Grim, P. J. (Paul J.) ; Ikelman, Joy A.
Because I travel alot and live between two states in two different regions of the country, I seldom travel with the paper copies, instead I use a pdf. You can download the entire .pdf of the book here:
[1] but it doesn't include the maps. Thanks again for uploading this excellent resource for hot springs!
Netherzone (
talk) 16:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I just took a moment to look on Commons, and those are different than the maps than the ones I have. This is a superb new resource, Jen. Thanks again.
Netherzone (
talk) 16:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Edit summary queries
Hi! In this edit summary
[2] you say "Take it to the talk page to discuss with other editors before making this change again." and I wonder what the reason for reverting is because none is actually given in the summary. I'm not seeing the policy or guideline based argument for reverting, please explain.
Horse Eye's Back (
talk) 15:44, 25 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello and thanks for reaching out, Horse Eye. I see you have reverted my edits. My edits restored the article to a stable version, but it seems you disagree. I won't be reverting your revert, and will be archiving this discussion shortly. Thanks for keeping a keen eye on things,
Netherzone (
talk) 16:00, 25 February 2024 (UTC)reply
So what was the reason for reverting? You still haven't said.
Horse Eye's Back (
talk) 16:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Women in Red March 2024
Women in Red| March 2024, Volume 10, Issue 3, Numbers 293, 294, 299, 300, 301
I uploaded vacation pics (from back home), at least the first day, - and remember
Aribert Reimann. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 20:04, 20 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Roadside shrine in Santa Fe, NM, commemorating the life of Chris Abeyta, a local musician, poet and educator.I love the photo of the cat with the red hydrant, also the spring (fountain) with the tiny shrine in a niche. I have a thing for roadside shrines, have many photos. Here's one I shot a couple years ago. Thank you for inspiring me!
Netherzone (
talk) 20:34, 20 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you! - I don't think the "Fontana" I saw is a spring - high up a wall next to a village road, - I rather believe it's a service to passers-by, - you can turn it on and off. - Next day uploaded, around
Porto da Cruz, on
Bach's birthday --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you Gerda, and happy Easter to you. Loved looking at your most recent photos, esp. those of the Monte Palace Tropical Garden. Makes me want to go there! Ever onward....
Netherzone (
talk) 00:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC)reply
especially when I discovered that I had a book she wrote in my library but have been hampered by not being able to sign on to wikipedia on my computer and being in the middle of an taxing medical situation. However at some point I hope to add a few more references. carptrash aka
2600:8800:590F:8600:D8BB:215:7B50:975F (
talk) 05:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello @
Carptrash, I'm so sorry to hear you are in the midst of a medical situation. I hope it resolves soon. It was interesting to read your article on
Blanche Grant, those dynamic, independent Northern New Mexico creative women were a force of nature! Let me know if there's anything I can help out with while you navigate your computer & health issues. You can post things here or on article talk if you would like me to help make improvements, or look anything up in the Wikipedia Library. All the best,
Netherzone (
talk) 13:13, 3 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Carptrash, hope you are doing better with the medical situation. I wanted to let you know I did a little work on Blanche Grant today, nothing major. Added a pix of one of her paintings and a bit more content so readers can understand her style of representation; and cropped the image of her and friends at
Howard Pyle's studio to remove the frame. It also did not seem to need an infobox for the group photo so I removed that formatting. If there's a specific reason why you wanted the infobox just let me know and I'll restore it. Be well, and hope you are able to sign on and see this.
Netherzone (
talk) 22:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Books & Bytes – Issue 61
The Wikipedia Library: Books & Bytes
Issue 61, January – February 2024
Bristol University Press and British Online Archives now available
New Zealand report: WikiProject Te Papa Research Expeditions, wrapping up the Auckland / Tāmaki Makaurau local histories project, and the Aotearoa Wikipedian at Large
Poland report: WikiMatejko editing action; The eighth European GLAM Wiki coordinators meet up
….from that one editor at the Techspressionism AfD; from a cursory skim of
their contributions, it seems like they're only using the site to promote themselves and their art movement (and a few other COIs) in an undue non-neutral fashion (while also violating behavioral guidelines like
WP:CANVASS and
WP:AGF), and
not here to build the encyclopedia, what do you think?
Left guide (
talk) 00:59, 16 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It's an odd situation. I've never seen AfD participation where someone keep refactoring their comments over and over like that, it's hard to keep track of what they are trying communicate from moment to moment as it keeps changing. They have been editing on WP since at least 2010 under another username(s). But the contributions of that account haven't gone back nearly that far. Their first AUTOBIO was deleted in 2010. Then recreated by UPE in 2015, now the newest is apparently MEAT. I can't quite figure out what is going on but it is clear after 14 years, they don't seem to understand the purpose of an encyclopedia.
Netherzone (
talk) 01:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Honestly, the refactoring is somewhat annoying, but not as big as the other issues. Should the matter be raised to a noticeboard? It seems like you've already tried discussing with the user at their talk page, during which
you said you think this needs admin eyes, and I don't see signs of real behavioral progress since then. cc @
WomenArtistUpdates and
Star Mississippi:Left guide (
talk) 01:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the ping
Left guide and NZ. While I am getting the
WP:NOTHERE vibes loud and clear, maybe we should see what happens over the weekend. It appears that something has finally gotten through, as the editor is now trying to erase the traces of COI on their user page, and off wiki accounts. I have no objections to admin eyes, but I worry that I have lost objectivity on the matter. Best, --
WomenArtistUpdates (
talk) 17:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)reply
poking in*
Sorry, I was offline for a few days and am still not fully back. Short of semi'ing the AfD, I don't see an option. Things seem to have quieted down though. I appreciated that those canvassed were trying to make a case, even if the genre isn't notable, but it was disruptive. I didn't see the refactoring, but will try to keep an eye out when back if discussion isn't closed. Thanks for flag and sorry for leaving you hanging on my Talk @
Left guideStarMississippi 02:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello @
Netherzone, I received a notification that you had left me a message on my talk page this afternoon, but I do not see any new messages there. I am reaching out to see if you left me a message there, and I am missing it. Thank you for your guidance, and I apologize for the refactoring.
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Apology
I wanted to apologize for my contributions to the
Geoglyphs article. I thought it was a good idea because of their importance to the plot of Tears of the Kingdom, but I did not consider that the main focus of the article was archaeology and earth art, not their use in fiction.
73.79.229.7 (
talk) 13:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
No worries whatsoever, and no need for an apology! Feel free to add relevant content to the video game article to improve it. But please make sure to add the sources. Happy editing!
Netherzone (
talk) 13:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
All this, I'm afraid, underlines my growing impression that wikipedia lacks the necessary signposts, the clarity of guidelines, the essential transparency and sufficient safeguards to be a safe place for me to work. David Tornheim helpfully reassured me that the trolling I faced was not unusual. While that is comforting, it is also a warning.
I certainly did not want to scare them off. I wonder if there was another more diplomatic way to both make the editor feel safe -and- warn him/her about the concerns described in
WP:BAIT.
I have seen far too many new editors come here mistakenly believing they can make a fix to an article to correct something that to them seems blatantly obvious it should be permissible to do, and then they don't understand the push back to their change and the seemingly bizarre policy reasons given. They can down in flames because they truly believe that the change they want to make is most definitely right, and they have no idea how their edits of complaint against an experienced user--one who strongly disagrees--might be used against them at
WP:AN/I to unfair advantage as described in
WP:BAIT. It seemed to me that things were headed that way, so
ARoseWolf and I both tried to encourage -and- warn the new editor. I am curious how you (and anyone else listening here) might have handled it differently when we first encountered the dispute. This seems like a good case in point for the challenges of keeping new editors. --
David Tornheim (
talk) 02:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Such a shame to lose Jon. I am not sure what we could have done further. We were trying to support them as a new user that faced, what I feel, the worst possible situation a new user could face, not completely the other user's fault, but also try to offer constructive instruction to keep them from facing those issues again. I wasn't focused on the multiple user's on the same IP as much as talking about not having more than one user on the named account they were using and also address editing while logged out. I think Netherzone also touched on that in their response. Either way this was a decision Jon made and we just move on. David I think you did a wonderful thing explaining the situation as you did and offering support for them. Don't be too hard on yourself that Jon chose not to stick around. Thank you, Netherzone, for your statement on Jon's talk page. --
ARoseWolf 12:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Please don’t be too hard on yourselves, @
David Tornheim and @
ARoseWolf. You both are amazing and kind. Everyone came to the discussion in their own way using different communication styles. The same way that all of us have different modes and styles for learning and building knowledge. Both Jon and ThaddeusSholto (who has since disappeared) had reasons for their positions.
As a brand new editor, Jon doesn’t know the ropes here, and what are the “hot buttons” or words to avoid. It’s the image that is racist and pornographic, not the editor, something that you both understood and recognized and tried to communicate – focus on content not contributors. But we all know that can be hard to do when we are upset, and both editors were upset for different reasons.
If you two had not stepped in when you did to quell the slow-moving edit war things would have escalated.
WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and
WP:NOTCENSORED can be hard to understand as a new editor. I think the “encouragements-and-warnings” were fine.
The underlying problem is that Wikipedia does not have a cohesive, integrative “Instruction Manual” or “Operating Manual.” WP’s policies, guidelines (behavioral and content), essays, MOS, and cryptic acronyms are scattered all over the place like little bits of paper or sticky notes.
My gut feeling is that Jon will be back, I certainly hope so, as it seems he has a lot to offer the project. I was impressed with the sources he brought to
the talk page discussion. The photo hit a significant nerve with him, and understandably so. When I first saw it my impressions went from curiosity and puzzlement, to cringing, to deep sadness, to moral outrage, but tried to keep these emotions in check so as not to escalate matters. The vulnerability of the young girl in the image is painfully tragic in relation to the powers of empire building and cultural domination she was subjected to.
Speaking for myself, sometimes when I’m really upset all that is needed is someone to simply listen, not to tell me what to do or not do. Believe me, I can be stubborn when I think I’m right, but usually I just want to feel understood – not agreed with – but listened to and understood.
We were all beginners, and in a sense we still are, thankfully.
I'm really grateful to have colleagues like the two of you.
Netherzone (
talk) 16:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Let me add that I equally think its a shame that ThaddeusSholto has disappeared and truly hope it was not directly related to this issue. I wish them wholeness where ever they are. Thaddeus was not wrong to initially revert for the reasons they gave. That's all despite feeling the same emotions you did, Netherzone. Then I saw the exchange and I was more appalled by the exchange, not who was involved. In the end there were more reasons to remove the picture under policy than keep and consensus came the right conclusion.
"Speaking for myself, sometimes when I’m really upset all that is needed is someone to simply listen, not to tell me what to do or not do. Believe me, I can be stubborn when I think I’m right, but usually I just want to feel understood – not agreed with – but listened to and understood." You took a page from my book. lol This is me, 100%. In fact I will generally come around and even ask for advice knowing we disagree, I don't simply want others to agree with me. Having different viewpoints and the details of your journey to your conclusions, this happens even when we do agree, is what I want to absorb because I am still a beginner and I desire to learn. I am thankful for you both. You truly enrich my life. --
ARoseWolf 17:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Speaking for myself, sometimes when I’m really upset all that is needed is someone to simply listen, not to tell me what to do or not do. Those words resonate with me too. Beautifully written. Thanks so much to both of you for your kind words.--
David Tornheim (
talk) 19:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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I like to see
Appalachian Spring on the Main page today (not by me, just interested and reviewed), and I also made it
my story. - I was undecided so show three versions ;) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 17:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Today I see
Marian Anderson as
my top story (by NBC, 1939), and below (on my talk) three people with raised arms, - and the place is the cherry blossom in Frauenstein. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC) Enjoy elsewhere! --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 16:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Thinking of you! - plum tree blossom for Kalevi Kiviniemi in the snow - see my talk --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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