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WP:HOAX. No player with the surname Bathurst has played in the English Football League since the Second World War (verified via leading stats sites such as Soccerbase and Soccerway, the 2015 edition of the book listed under refs, and a similar player records book published in the 1980s). I also own the Rothmans Football Yearbooks for most of the seasons during his supposed career and none of them show a player of this name playing for the teams he was supposedly a regular with at the time. If this man does exist, he definitely didn't play professional football. --
ChrisTheDude (
talk) 07:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment Seems to have been created by one person, an account with one edit! Not so promising there. We can also ask
SmartVandelay who knows about Northampton if a player like this name ever played for them. But if it is indeed a hoax then delete per nom.
Govvy (
talk) 07:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - As per nom, no evidence of this player existing. The one thing you can find online about him was almost certainly taken from Wikipedia.
Sgubaldo (
talk) 08:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment - If it is a hoax, it's one of the oldest extant ones on the platform, having existed for 12 and a half years.
Sgubaldo (
talk) 08:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - No mention of Bathurst in Crisp's Crewe Alexandra Match by Match (and I don't recall anyone by that name playing for the Alex in the 1980s).
Paul W (
talk) 08:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Of the sources, they are nothing but news announcements or guides, three of those are primaries and none of them assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
SpacedFarmer (
talk) 10:03, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
AFC moved to mainspace by non-reviewer and is still not yet ready for mainspace. Two of the sources in the reference section are from Facebook. The article also provides little context other than that he was on some teams.
Shadow311 (
talk) 13:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete -- I draftified the page to give the page creator more time to look for sources. The same user moved it back to the mainspace after adding a stats database and a Facebook link to the page. Fails
WP:GNG and
WP:SPORTCRIT.
JTtheOG (
talk) 16:36, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete – Per @
JTtheOG. Since the incubation time as a draft wasn't respected, it's up to deletion.
Svartner (
talk) 20:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This succumbed to an AFD before, but since then it has been recreated due to "coverage in international media". It happened at a time when the player was looking to be moving up in the football hierarchy, but with all due respect to the player, the career has stagnated, which I think allows us to see the subject in a clearer light. In an encyclopedic sence, Albert Tjåland fails
WP:NOTINHERITED,
WP:SUSTAINED,
WP:TOOSOON,
WP:SIRS and as a consequence
WP:SPORTCRIT.
ABT was a child whom international media took a novelty interest to.
While there was coverage in many countries, there reports about various accomplishments in children's games lack significance, and was all the more packed with speculation and hot air. A big breakthrough is not currently looming on the horizon, and while it might of course happen one day, we have the too soon guideline for a reason.
The press coverage was exclusively motivated by him having a famous relative. Albert and Erling have similar names and likenesses, and joined the same club (Molde) as a youth player. Take the relative out of the equation, and what are you left with? Notability is not inherited from relatives.
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ChrisTheDude (
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Delete We used to keep footballers who had played 2 or more professional games, so I am guessing this article got in with the old rules, but now it must be removed as there is no coverage about this person.
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GiantSnowman 20:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I cannot find anything online about this football player. I find that strange because usually you would at least find his name on sports info, betting websites and so forth. But nothing.The so-called external links are not helpful either, to say the least. The article was tagged 3 times for speedy deletion. As it is, I propose this article for deletion as an unsourced BLP without evidence of notability
Ruud Buitelaar (
talk) 00:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete – In
WP:BEFORE I didn't find anything relevant about the athlete, I didn't even find a profile on ogol.com., of the sources presented in the article, one is for a video on YouTube, one for an image on a blog, and two are inaccessible. I believe that in this case
WP:GNG clearly failed.
Svartner (
talk) 04:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject to meet GNG. My guess is that he goes by another name.
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GiantSnowman 20:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 20:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. Neither sources pass
WP:SIGCOV. No other reliable sources found, aside from a
small football bio that doesn't appear to be very reliable. Not notable enough in either case.
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GiantSnowman 19:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Article fails WP:GNG. Sources are mostly transfer and contractual related and some stuff related to his job as a an Occupational therapist which is not notable.
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GiantSnowman 19:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 20:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete unless it's mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia what teams plays/played there, in which case redirect to that team's article. Note that
S.V. Vesta seem to play at a different stadium (
Stadion dr. Antoine Maduro), so I can't work out which team plays/played there, and so cannot currently see a sensible redirect target.
Joseph2302 (
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GiantSnowman 19:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 20:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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GiantSnowman 18:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 18:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject to meet
WP:GNG or
WP:SPORTCRIT. All that came up were trivial mentions (
1,
2, etc.)
JTtheOG (
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GiantSnowman 18:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 18:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 18:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 18:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. Upon a search, I just get
WP:PRIMARY sources from NBC, CBC, and tweets announcing who does which games. It's trivia and can be placed into the main broadcasting article.
Conyo14 (
talk) 22:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 18:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 18:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Also per wp:not regarding a stats only article.topic. A stats only article with data on a season of a reserve league. Per SNG these are not presumed notable and require GNG sourcing. Does not have and highly unlikely to exist. North8000 (
talk) 12:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, sources are announcements and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
SpacedFarmer (
talk) 10:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, sources are announcements and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
SpacedFarmer (
talk) 10:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Nothing significant that I can see...
GiantSnowman 16:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Of course, there are sources. What do they do other than indicate those are evidences they are providing coverages to sports leagues? Are they helping with the subject's notability?
SpacedFarmer (
talk) 16:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. Per nom. Wikipedia is not a TV guide for viewers. Fails
WP:GNG.
RangersRus (
talk) 13:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, sources are announcments and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
SpacedFarmer (
talk) 10:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, the only source is primary and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 10:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 10:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The only reference for this stub biography of a footballer is a database entry, so this stub no longer satisfies
sports notability and does not satisfy
general notability. Draftification will provide six months to find
significant coverage.
Comment: while I am aware of the changed notability criteria, seems a bit odd to go straight to AfD for a subject like this where the article already existed for some years under the old rules, would it not be more appropriate to tag for verification first, then move up from that if not acted on? It seems very likely this player will appear in the British Newspaper Archive and there are far more 'deserving' nominations from this era than an international player and cup winner? I have added refs that indicate his prominence, but appreciate they would not satisfy SIGCOV.
Crowsus (
talk) 02:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. Absurd nomination. This player represented his country and won national competitions. If that doesn't satisfy notability then this place is a complete waste of time.
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GiantSnowman 09:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep - clearly notable. 200 professional appearances in England and Scotland, a Scotland international, there is coverage out there including in Paul Smith's book about Scotland players - silly nomination. Good work by Crowsus and JM on expanding.
GiantSnowman 09:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. Again the Keeps make n:football arguments despite it being abolished in 2022. I struggled to find coverage of him let alone significant coverage. The book is one source (if that) meaning he fails GNG.
Dougal18 (
talk) 11:15, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
"I struggle to find coverage of him" - apart from the 13 refs in the article? Do you really think that a player with 200 professional appearances in 1890s/1900s will not have been mentioned in any newspapers that (shockingly!) don't appear online 130 years later? We have lost all
WP:COMMONSENSE if this article is deleted.
GiantSnowman 21:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
You mean the refs to stat websites? The refs to mentions in match reports? All of which don't count when it comes to passing GNG. Mentions in newspapers is irrelevant as it is sigcov that is required.
Dougal18 (
talk) 09:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Two books about the history of Hibernian FC describing Glen's career and playing style isn't significant coverage? Come off it. You just
don't like articles about footballers.
Jmorrison230582 (
talk) 10:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Coverage in four published books isn't significant coverage? I'm wondering what you would consider that to be. A book about the player himself?!? Demanding that level of coverage would lead to the deletion of the vast majority of biographies on this site.
Jmorrison230582 (
talk) 16:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Good to know that a few sentences in a few books is now significant coverage. "Left back Bobby Glen from Renton had several international honours. Strong and clever, he was a favourite of the supporters and was recently at the top of his form." If that is sigcov then GNG should be scrapped.
Dougal18 (
talk) 12:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep - I would strongly agree with
User:GiantSnowman's and
User:Jmorrison230582's points. I think it would be odd for us not to have an article about a Scotland international who clearly is covered in published sources.
Dunarc (
talk) 22:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep The article has been updated, clearly notable player, easily passes
WP:GNG.
Govvy (
talk) 12:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep – The Paul Smith's book It already seemed to be enough for
WP:GNG.
Svartner (
talk) 16:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep Passes
WP:GNG, also has fine sources that attribute significant coverage.
Noorullah (
talk) 19:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment - Responding to Jmorrison230582, the article didn't say that his team won national competitions when I nominated it for deletion, and the nomination was not absurd. Govvy is correct that the article has been updated.
Robert McClenon (
talk) 20:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment - Perhaps I should have said that the
Heymann criterion was to provide
significant coverage in seven days, but perhaps that should be implied.
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GiantSnowman 09:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Weak keep, should certainly be trimmed / improved / sourced, whole sections could go, but it seems a bit unfair to single out this team, as it is only one of a long list
here, and while I realise it's not a real guide to notability, the fact that it has 9 language versions at least show there's some passing interest beyond its homeland and has some historical significance. It's pretty niche stuff, but a lot of others in that list are too and it may be more logical to start from the most obscure and work up, don't want to insult anyone's region but
Seborga national football team looks an example of one with far less merit for inclusion than Silesia.
The name is a topic that's come up previously, particularly relating to the more prominent non-nations like Catalonia. Personally I would have no problem with it being something like 'representative football team' for all of these, but it's been argued that there are quite a few non-sovereign FIFA teams so the word 'national' is really just used to differentiate them from clubs and does not necessarily infer a certain status on the territory in question.
Only other thing is, do Wallonia and Frisia have any sort of combined team that plays matches? That's not meant to be a 'well do they???' question, I'm genuinely not sure, but I couldn't see one on French or Dutch wiki where one might expect to find something snuck away. If they have never had such a team, it's not really fair to compare their non-presence to articles for teams that have demonstrably played matches, even if really long ago and/or at a very low level.
Crowsus (
talk) 22:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep – There are football teams that cover non-sovereign territories, such as the most notable cases of
Catalonia and the
Basque Country, as well as some
CONIFA members such as
Occitania and
County of Nice. If there are sources that cover the team, there are no problems, as Silesia is competing in the
UEFA Regions' Cup.
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GiantSnowman 09:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Weak keep Why is a regional team titled as national? Should be titled
Silesia regional football team. Next whats with the Notable players section? That should be removed. Seems to have been abused? No history section? Must be something surely for the regional team. Certainly needs sorting out.
Govvy (
talk) 12:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, the only source does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, sources are entirely primary, are basically news announcement and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, sources are basically news announcement and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
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GiantSnowman 09:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete – Any coverage I find looking in the
local paper is just match reports or very short statements on her injuries. Fails
WP:NBIO and
WP:SPORTCRIT.
AlexandraAVX (
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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, sources are nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. I agree with the premise of the AfD. Also, what a weird list! Hardly any core and almost everything out of scope. Also by SPINOFF/SPINOUT (information governance) logic, the article doesn't fly.
gidonb (
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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, not a single source. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, sources are archived pages of primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Not a single source in any shape or form. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Contextes are there to claim 'channel x' brought out the right to coverages in 'country x', not to assert notability. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Contextes are there to claim 'channel x' brought out the right to coverages in 'country x', not to assert notability. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Contextes are there to claim 'channel x' brought out the right to voerages in 'country x', not to assert notability. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom.
Govvy (
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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom, Not a tv guide..
Govvy (
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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. No context to assert notability. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, sources are nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
GiantSnowman: At the
similar AfD for Copa Sudamericana broadcasters, you !voted Redirect rather than Delete. Do you think a redirect isn't a viable alternative to deletion in this case?
IgnatiusofLondon (he/him •
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I have no opposition to a redirect.
GiantSnowman 13:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Serie A#Television rights (a section which could be renamed to "Media coverage"). Absent media coverage about the list as a topic, I agree that I don't think this is a list within Wikipedia's scope that is therefore worth preserving per
WP:NOT, but the topic does merit some encyclopedic coverage in the context of
Serie A, and it is a reasonable redirect as an
alternative to deletion. I do not think there is anything worth merging, though preserving the page history allows an interested editor to do so if they disagree.
IgnatiusofLondon (he/him •
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Delete per nom, not a TV guide.
Govvy (
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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, the only source are nothing but news announcement and does not assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
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GiantSnowman 09:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom, not a TV guide.
Govvy (
talk) 14:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a Lithuanian women's footballer, to meet
WP:GNG or
WP:SPORTCRIT.
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GiantSnowman 09:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
No refs on the page for many years. Not seeing substantial coverage of the topic in independent reliable sources needed for consideration against the inclusion criteria.
JMWt (
talk) 14:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete Agreeing for the reasons listed above, and I would raise the idea of redirecting to
Busch StadiumKingsmasher678 (
talk) 14:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Convert to disambiguation page with an entry for
William & Mary Tribe#Field hockey and an entry for the more notable
Busch Stadium. Maintain article history at the DAB page. I would have voted "redirect" if not for the complication of the other stadium. Fails GNG due to no SIGCOV, but a reasonable search term. FrankAnchor 20:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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GiantSnowman 18:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Support disambig per Frank Anchor.
GiantSnowman 18:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete as collection of random information, and also purge the template "List of association football clubs in Oceania".
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GiantSnowman 18:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This article doesn't meet the notability guidelines set down in WP:SPORTCRIT
Kingsmasher678 (
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Sorry, submitted by accident this before I was finished writing the reasons. There are no sources outside of trivial stat listings, which are not considered a contribution to notability.
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 18:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment Going by the player's career, I could see some notability. They had a good season in the Bulgarian first tier with
Cherno More Varna, two good seasons abroad with Israeli second-tier club
Hapoel Rishon LeZion and three in Cyprus with second-tier side
Omonia Aradippou. A web search, however, did find anything close to
WP:SIGCOV. Perhaps we'd need to search using a different spelling of their name, for example in Hebrew?
Robby.is.on (
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Per
WP:NSPORT, the existence of stat pages is not enough to prove notability. There are no other sources referenced, and nothing shows up in a search for news articles or other sourceable media. This article clearly doesn't meet the notability requirements.
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
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Does not meet the notability standards in
WP:NSPORT. In addition, no non-trivial sources are provided, and I could not find any.
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
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The page has a single source, and none of these are legitimate clubs. They are only teams that happened to be registered with that name, and seemingly never operated at any capacity outside of amateur tournaments that took place years ago.
Yoblyblob (
Talk) :) 15:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I wouldn't say hoax- there are supporting sources at
RSSSF, this is just not notable at all.
Yoblyblob (
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I see, I was mistaken. I thought that when you said "legitimate clubs" that you meant they didn't actually exist.
HadesTTW (he/him •
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Delete No, these teams aren't hoaxes, but this sounds more equivalent to your local softball league sponsored by taverns and breweries in the United States more than a group of even semi-pro teams and they're there for fun, not glory. Nate•(
chatter) 20:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete I would consider this as village club teams that do not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV.
Tumbuka Arch (
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Delete, While these clubs do exist, they are too insignificant for coverage.
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GiantSnowman 18:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Article fails WP:GNG. Can only find passing mentions in match reports. Redirect to 2010 World Cup squad.
Simione001 (
talk) 03:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 14:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep He has 36 caps for a senior national team and played in a World Cup.
Anwegmann (
talk) 00:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Both irrelevant facts. There are no sources which prove notability in sport and as such the article should be redirect to 2010 World Cup squad or deleted.
Simione001 (
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Comment@
Simione001: I just like to point out that he is listed at both
2011 AFC Asian Cup squads and
2010 FIFA World Cup squads, so redirecting to one or the other would effect the search feature if anyone looks the name up. If deleted with no redirect, people will be able to find his name in both the articles and not be directed to just one.
Govvy (
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✗plicit 03:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep Odd one because
WP:NFOOTBALL has been removed from
WP:NSPORT but according to the discussion at
WP:NFOOTBALLNEW, Players who have played in, and managers who have managed in, any Tier 1 International Match as defined by FIFA was once the guideline for notability which this article meets.
Orange sticker (
talk) 11:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Orange sticker: - You are basing your keep vote on a failed proposal.
WP:NFOOTBALLNEW was rejected. You mustn't make up your own keep/delete criteria. WP:GNG is very clear.
Simione001 (
talk) 23:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment not quite, the proposal was to change what was referred to as the current guideline (part I quoted) however all guidelines relating to football seem to have been scrapped for reasons I don't know. Might be a good idea to draftify this and similar stubs until the guidelines are clearer?
Orange sticker (
talk) 08:06, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:GNG is the only criteria that applies. Its very clear.
Simione001 (
talk) 08:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Simione001: You've nominated over 100 articles in the past few months and they seem to near-exclusively target those from just North Korea - a much underrepresented country whose sources are very difficult to find / use / etc. This systematic destruction of a nation's football history is rather annoying. Why?
BeanieFan11 (
talk) 15:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Because they are terrible quality articles with next to zero information about the individual. If you actually looked into it, there a quite a few North Korean players which pass WP:GNG so to say this is some kind of systematic destruction of North Korean football is laughable.
Simione001 (
talk) 23:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment – The player appears to have a substantial number of appearances for Reading and Chelsea. I think it's a matter of
WP:V.
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GiantSnowman 18:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep - clearly notable. Over 200 appearances in England's professional football league (verified by the Neil Brown source in the article sas well as sources like
this), while a quick Google search brings up things like
this and
this which clearly indicate historical (read: offline) coverage. A lazy nomination.
GiantSnowman 18:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
are those football cards?
ltbdl (
talk) 12:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
At no point have I claimed that football cards are reliable. I was merely suggesting that appearing on football cards - and, if you had bothered to Google him, all the other historical coverage at photo archives etc. - suggests there is coverage out there, which research by others below has supported.
GiantSnowman 18:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep With the amount of games he played and the clubs he played for seems good enough, combined with GS sources above and probably much more
WP:OFFLINESOURCES, this needs improvement for sure.
Govvy (
talk) 18:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep More than 200 professional appearances for teams with deep, deep histories and legacies. This is very obvious. Clearly notable.
Anwegmann (
talk) 23:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete Fails GNG and lacks SIGCOV. An actual check of the newspapers.com archive finds nothing but mentions in match reports/transfer stories. He went on to play cricket for Bryant Rose Cricket Club and won the raffle four years in a row there but that is trivial stuff. NFOOTBALL has been depreciated since 2022 so any Keeps based on number of games played must be ignored by the closer. He isn't notable either for playing for some "notable" clubs per NOTINHERITED.
Dougal18 (
talk) 10:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment I frequently see editors citing
Wikipedia:But there must be sources! in AfDs for footballers with dozens of international caps. I'd like to see the same standard applied to footballers with "over 200 appearances in England's professional football league". How do football cards indicate offline coverage, @
GiantSnowman:? As Dougal18 points out so far it has not been demonstrated that SIGCOV exists.
Robby.is.on (
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Delete Mostly per
Dougal18's reasoning. Footballers are not inherently notable - they need to meet
WP:GNG. This is clear community consensus. Simply asserting that an individual played for notable teams is not a suitable AfD argument. If nothing can be found in newspaper archives, then he's not notable. Another point is this is little more than an infobox and a pseudo-biography.
AusLondonder (
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There seems to be a decent amount of newspaper coverage, although it is mostly brief-ish: see
[2][3][4][5][6][7][8]. An argument could be made for
WP:NBASIC, considering he seemed to have significant amount of appearances for prominent clubs. Not sure if that changes anyone's views: @
Ltbdl,
AusLondonder,
Dougal18, and
Robby.is.on:?
BeanieFan11 (
talk) 16:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete, per Dougal and AusLondoner. Football cards do not contribute to notability at all, and given passing mentions in match reports don't count towards even BASIC for modern players they shouldn't count for old players either. We don't have a single piece of the required IRS SIGCOV, so we have no valid justification for retaining this article.
JoelleJay (
talk) 21:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment He also has a biographical entry in Chelsea The Complete Record: author: Rick Glanvill isbn: 9781909245303 also mentioned in The Little Book of Reading FC - 1920-2008 author: Alan Sedunary isbn: 9781780913711. There maybe more books with biographical information.
Govvy (
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Comment Can you tell us what exactly is in those books?
Dougal18 (
talk) 14:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Glanvill is Chelsea's official historian, he is not an independent source.
JoelleJay (
talk) 19:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Reply@
JoelleJay: That's not correct, nor is it proper to discredit him. Will you do the same for Historians who went to Oxford and Cambridge and write about those subjects? He is a published author and a reputable one at that. Please don't use this argument ever again on any credited club historian.
Govvy (
talk) 22:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
He's literally
hired by the club to write about club history. Of course he isn't independent. And if a historian is employed by Oxford to write about Oxford history then they aren't independent either.
JoelleJay (
talk) 16:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
JoelleJay: Again you really have no idea, the Chelsea book is independent to the club, published by De Coubertin BooksdeCoubertin Books is a leading independent publisher, which publishes outstanding non-fiction titles predicated on high editorial and production values. We work with some of the biggest names in sport and sportswriting and our books have been nominated for numerous awards. Being hired by a club doesn't make the book published by the club. Also the link provided says he is the club historian, because he is the top of his field in the history for the club, at no time does that post on the Chelsea page say he is hired directly for them. The Reading book is published by Breedon Books Publishing Co Ltd and not Reading Football Club. These are both independent publishers to the clubs. I really don't understand why you feel these are primary sources when they are not remotely so.
Govvy (
talk) 21:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Being an
employee of the club (He has worked for all Chelsea FC's publications and media since 1993 and is the club's official historian.) means the person has a COI with the club, and this applies to material the person publishes through independent publishers (and obviously anything authored by the club would go through an external publisher; it's not like each club has its own book publishing house; the "Official Biography" of Chelsea that he penned ... for the club is through Headline Publishing Group). We'd consider a book authored by a relative of the subject to be non-independent regardless of where it's published; the same applies here. And what part of "the club's official historian", as recorded on the club's website, makes you think he's not working directly for them..... I didn't say anything about primary sources. I said they are non-independent.
JoelleJay (
talk) 22:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This is like arguing that an 'official biographer' of a celebrity should be discredited...nonsense!
GiantSnowman 18:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
An official biographer of a celebrity who was hired by that celebrity's talent agency should absolutely be discredited!
JoelleJay (
talk) 01:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment - Sports cards are reliable sources stat-wise.
KatoKungLee (
talk) 17:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep – For the arguments presented so far in the discussion. I see no reason to discredit a club historian, or sports cards, considering that the athlete played in the 50s and 60s. The sources presented by @
Govvy demonstrate credibility.
Svartner (
talk) 21:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment Credibility of who?
Dougal18 (
talk) 14:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The authors of mentioned books.
Svartner (
talk) 15:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
So
employees of the football club are somehow exempted from the NSPORT guidance saying Team sites and governing sports bodies are not considered independent of their players if they don't publish directly on the website? The sports cards are completely trivial stats coverage. Why would they count?
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Keep. The delete arguments seem a bit
WP:IDONTLIKEIT, in their attempts to discredit what seems like reasonable coverage.
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voorts (
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Per
WP:NLIST and
WP:INDISCRIMINATE. The list of seasons can already be found in the main article
Girabola, another duplicate article being unnecessary.
Svartner (
talk) 09:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
No, Svartner doesn't advocate deletion of the individual seasons, just the overarching list - which adds exactly nothing to the category.
Geschichte (
talk) 16:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Exactly, my question is whether there is a separate list if the main article already includes a list of seasons.
Svartner (
talk) 20:38, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: Its unneeded. also kind of goes against
WP:NOTDIRECTORY. The way the article is made, it may as well just be a category page.
Shadow311 (
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Delete The seasons are listed in the template. If no other information is in the list article, it becomes pointless.
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Comment (I am at abstained vote here.) This list could be more useful if done right. As GS pointed out we do have them. And @
GiantSnowman: this is the Angolan league, not the Moroccan! :/
Govvy (
talk) 19:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete without prejudice - at the moment this is a duplicative, unnecessary article, but there's the potential for a better article here if someone wants to create something more detailed.
SportingFlyerT·C 20:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
...and I've just noticed has pages for every individual season, such as
1979,
1980 etc. As such, if you still don't want to keep, please agree to draftify so I can work on it.
GiantSnowman 20:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)reply
No problem with draftification, but I do hope it's more comprehensive than just what's on the Girabola page.
SportingFlyerT·C 15:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
...which it would be if you check my edits to this article...
GiantSnowman 20:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
There is a big difference between the Premier League and the Angolan championship. The list of seasons is duplicated, as it is also included in the main article
Girabola.
Svartner (
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That section is absolutely incomprehensible! I have deleted.
GiantSnowman 20:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep I'm with GiantSnowman here. This article needs work, but that is not a reason for deletion, especially if it not an obvious
WP:TNT. This article has a lot of potential à la
List of Premier League seasons, so it's not a TNT.
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GiantSnowman 09:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep It does pass GNG, as you'd expect from a 10.000 seat stadium, but the article needs to be improved. See Portuguese page and
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Hey man im josh (
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Not playing in professional division, does not appear to meet
WP:SIGCOV under
WP:GNG. Already deleted for same reasons
in 2020.
Crowsus (
talk) 15:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep – Even though they are in a lower division in the season in question, Deportivo La Coruña's notability is undoubted.
Svartner (
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Keep I agree with Svartner. Continuity in the coverage of a historically professional team is important in an encyclopedia.
Anwegmann (
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Delete Even know they are a notable club doesn't mean their seasons qualify under the SNG
WP:NSEASONS, they are too far down the ladder now. So delete per notability on the season.
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Shadow311 (
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Keep - This season is very notable because of the nature of it and the circumstances regarding the club at this time, as it entered a new era. - Cr7s
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