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You Are in Love

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I am dubious whether this article passes WP:NSONG or WP:GNG. The track is not subject of significant coverage, and the current information leaves something to be desired. Suggest redirecting it back to 1989 (album) as a standalone article does not look promising for inclusion atp. Ippantekina ( talk) 03:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect No significant coverage in sources other than album reviews. We have to start becoming stricter (or at least enforcing the guidelines more harshly) on the notability of album tracks. ‍ PSA 🏕️ ( talk) 04:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I think album reviews are fine as long as it satisfies GNG ("Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.") So imo it's really a case by case thing, and in this case the encyclopedic content extracted from the existing sources is subpar for a standalone article. Ippantekina ( talk) 04:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep. There are sources that do have significant coverage of the song, other than album reviews. [1] [2] [3] These are the three sources that best demonstrate its notability. Brachy08 _(Talk) 07:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Aquarius Musikindo

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Nothing notable, nor relevant per GNG. No SIGCOV. The author is blocked for evading the block Gavrover ( talk) 20:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment if we can verify the article's claim that it is the second largest record label in Indonesia, it's definitely worthy of inclusion. Chubbles ( talk) 14:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Solitude (Black Sabbath song)

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Non-notable song, fails WP:NSONG. Supplied sources include rateyourmusic which fails WP:USERG and is not allowed per WP:ALBUMAVOID. Another source is genius.com which is only considered marginally reliable per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, and cannot be used to establish notability. Two of the three genius.com sources are used to mention cover songs, neither of which passes the difficult requirements of WP:SONGCOVER. The Rolling Stone source is only saying that the song's album is notable, which is correct, but that fact does not make the song notable. Rolling Stone only mentions the song in the context of the album. The song page should be redirected to the album page. Binksternet ( talk) 23:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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rateyourmusic has been removed. Aditional sources on the covers have been added on top of genius.com. Another source supporting the songs noteworthiness has been added from Loudwire. How about instead of trying to deleted the article, we all try to fix it. It's a B-side of a single, there's evidence supporting that on the article, and so is Fairies Wear Boots which is allowed to have an article, what makes this song any different? Diskyboy ( talk) 01:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Redirect to Master of Reality per nomination. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 23:50, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ah yes, because less information is better! This article has also been majorly improved as listed in the reply above. Diskyboy ( talk) 01:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Redirect to the album per the reasons listed on the nomination Claire 26 ( talk) 01:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ah yes, because less information is better! This article has also been majorly improved as listed in the reply above. Diskyboy ( talk) 01:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

ESC Reporter

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Aside from the page having seemingly been created by the editor in chief (note them sharing the exact same name), I can find no claim of notability nor any sigcov; the Kyiv Post article is just a link to one of their interviews, the Kamaliya website is not notable, the Ukrainian Pravda mentions an interview they did in one line and being accredited as fan media by the EBU does not grant notability; many small blogs get accredited but are not notable. ser! ^{(
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Delete not notable — IмSтevan ^talk 16:15, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom. The subject of the article fails on several notability counts, including WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV and WP:NWEB. The site's "achievements" are not particularly notable, given that Eurovision accreditation for fan media can be applied for by anyone and that interviews held with artists are common across a large swathe of media organisations, many of which do not satisfy Wikipedia notability policies. Sims2aholic8 ( talk) 16:39, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete -- article by COI editor about a glorified (now defunct) blog without any independent significant coverage. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 21:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete - as explained by Sims2aholic8, does not satisfy the notability policies of Wikipedia. Ktkvtsh ( talk) 15:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Nick Winston

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Zero inline sources in entire article, no evidence of significant notability online. The article is of significant length, but there are few sources and none inline. 2003 LN 6 05:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Highly promotional and is practically a list of accomplishments without sourcing. Shadow311 ( talk) 15:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. There are hundreds of reviews of his work, and he has directed and/or choreographed numerous West End musicals. Obviously, no one did the research to add references to this article, but that is not a justification for deletion at AfD. I agree that the massive list of credits should be severely culled, but that is a task for another day. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep Strong news coverage exists as stated by Ssilvers. He seems to have some awards as well. IMO, it should not have been nominated. Perfectstrangerz ( talk) 01:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Eternal Decision

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There are no references in the article and I can't find any reliable sources online covering the band. XabqEfdg ( talk) 01:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment I see plenty of non-RS, looks like they last put anything out in 2005, and their albums are still available via eBay. Not my area of expertise, but I suspect this might be saveable if someone can find reviews. Jclemens ( talk) 06:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Weak keep as they do have a staff written AllMusic bio here which states that their first album was released in 16 countries to considerable acclaim. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Patron X

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This is basically an article about someone forgetting to turn off his cell phone 12 years ago. The incident does not have lasting significance, and Wikipedia is not news. Pichpich ( talk) 19:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete, clear violation of WP:NOTNEWS. Esolo5002 ( talk) 20:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete per nom. Antrotherkus 20:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi Pichpich. Thank you for reviewing this article. The article is not about someone's phone going off at a concert, which happens all the time, but about a conductor stopping the orchestra mid performance because of the phone, and speaking directly to the offender, in front of the entire audience and orchestra. The incident was discussed far beyond the scope of the concert itself, as it was a remarkable violation concert etiquette, which is quite formal at orchestra concerts. In terms of the event not having lasting significance, the article cited as reference 4 is from 5 years after the event took place. Perhaps the article should be improved to demonstrate this more explicitly. If this still meets AfD criteria, I certainly understand. Again, thanks for your review. 00ranges ( talk) 20:23, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete: Non-notable incident a decade ago, likely used here to shame the person. Could be a brief mention in the Philharmonic article, under the trivia section. Even that isn't really notable. I find no coverage of it 10 or so years after, meaning it doesn't pass our standards, NOTNEWS Oaktree b ( talk) 22:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Hi Oaktree b. I created this article. It was certainly not my intention to shame anyone at all (Patron X is and remains anonymous), merely to create an article for a notable event in classical music culture that was absent from Wikipedia. Please see my above reply to Pichpich. If this does indeed meet AfD criteria, then I support its deletion. 00ranges ( talk) 22:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Fluff coverage at the time of the incident and nothing since; open-and-shut WP:NOTNEWS. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 00:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Song Haus Music

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This article on a USA-based record label, created in 2010, is unreferenced. Per WP:Before no sigcov found including in searches in both the wikipedia library and standard search engine, except a passing mention in Billboard ( [1]). Subject fails to meet notability guidelines. As there aren't guidelines in place for record labels - I expect WP:NORG applies. Resonant Dis_tortion 16:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment This company shares a warehouse with two other record labels: Metallic Blue Records and Rewind Records. [2] StonyBrook _babble 22:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Happy Cactus

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Unreferenced article since 2005, the founding member went on to form another notable band so I'd suggest redirecting this article to Colin Meloy and adding an extra sentence about this earlier band on his page. InDimensional ( talk) 22:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect per nom. This band has never been the subject of coverage on its own, only in the context of what other members have done (mostly Melroy, also the two Caseys) Mach61 12:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Redirect per nom - Not notable on its own. There is a mention of the band under Musical career.

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Redirect to Colin Meloy as non-notable fancruft trivia about the high school shenanigans of someone who became notable much later. I would have recommended total deletion, but the name is probably a viable search term for Meloy's fans. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 21:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to Colin Meloy as not enough coverage for a standalone article, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Mehr Hassan

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Fails WP:Notability Wikibear47 ( talk) 17:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep: Has been in multiple films that seem to have wikipedia articles of their own. As per: WP:ARTIST, criteria 3, that should probably be enough.

also, seems like this is the 3rd nomination. User:Sawerchessread ( talk) 17:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: The newspapers used now in the article for sourcing are all there is for this person; I don't see notability beyond the local level. I can't find any mention of them otherwise. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete The fact she has been seen on multiple movies which has a wikipedia page doesn't qualify her to have a wikipedia page. This is just like the case of Lucy Grantham (2nd nomination). The subject Mehr Hassan fails WP:GNG. Her first AFD which was keep was just a two vote of keep which was still saying because she appeared in a movie. No independent reliable source, No award won or being nominated as an actress or dancer. I really don't see anything notable. -- Meligirl5 ( talk) 17:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with significant roles in multiple notable films. The Louisville Courier article too makes a case for notability. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Does having just one reliable source qualifies a person of having a Wikipedia page?

Keep. Meets WP:NACTOR, which is clearly the applicable guideline. rspεεr ( talk) 14:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hassan started her dancing career as a stage performer in the United States.

How do we believe such statement with no reliable source.?-- Meligirl5 ( talk) 00:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Krankschaft

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Unreferenced article since 2012. Being the backing band of someone with a Wikipedia page and having members with Wikipedia pages does not make this band notable as notability is not inherited. A look online for significant coverage doesn't yield much - a post on jericsmith.com is a self-published blog, and I'm unable to find anything else substantial. InDimensional ( talk) 11:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: without sources. Nothing came up in Google. RolandSimon ( talk) 21:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

RYNA

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Nothing of notability in the article, a single TV appearance isn't enough for WP:BAND criteria. One member was in another band of notability, however notability is not inherited. A look online brings up no coverage whatsoever. InDimensional ( talk) 11:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Only one youtube source present. Nothing else came up in Google. RolandSimon ( talk) 21:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: I can't find anything about the band either. S0091 ( talk) 14:28, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Scarlet Carmina

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Only notability is having a song featured on a DVD release, they seem to not pass WP:BAND. Both references in the article are from very local news sources, and an online search brings up no additional coverage. InDimensional ( talk) 11:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: Only 2 sources present. We would need a few more to show that they are notable. Nothing else came up in Google. RolandSimon ( talk) 21:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: I checked Newspapers.com and Internet Archive but didn't find anything. S0091 ( talk) 14:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Wallflower (band)

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Unreferenced article since 2011. Searching for refs is difficult as there is a more successful band called "The Wallflowers", but even after including band members names into the search it seems like they received no coverage. Nothing in the article writeup suggests Wikipedia notability. InDimensional ( talk) 11:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I’m the original article author. Happy to have article deleted. Band came to an end in 1998 with little notable activity.

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The Reelers

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Unsourced since 2011, some moderate achievements in the lead section but not sure if enough to pass WP:BAND. A search on the web for references brings up nothing on them, even when including band members names into the search. InDimensional ( talk) 11:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete I have found a reference that verifies the live session on BBC London, and added it to the article. Apart from that I've come up empty; even the claim to have played Glastonbury is debunked as they don't appear on the listings. Seems like a promising group that has now disappeared. Unfortunately I just don't see a page being justified given WP:MUSICBIO guidelines. Resonant Dis_tortion 19:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Is this music?

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Non-notable magazine/website. Unsourced since its inception and there is nothing to find online. Anarchyte ( talk) 07:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Support. Cfls ( talk) 18:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Cfls why do you wish to have the article deleted? Voting without a rationale is unhelpful. Mach61 21:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Sepo (band)

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no evident notability in the article, apart from having a song used in a documentary. I can only find coverage on punkglobe.com, and it's unclear if this is a reputable source given the outdated appearance of their website. InDimensional ( talk) 22:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Non-notable band. There is almost no independent coverage in reliable sources about the band and its members or their music. If it was indeed founded in 2012, you'd expect some online coverage, of which there is almost none. Mooonswimmer 04:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete per above and WP:NBAND, but also WP:RS - there are no reliable sources about the band. Having a song in a film is rarely enough to make a band automatically notable, unless it is nominated for an Oscar. Bearian ( talk) 16:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The Jenerators

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Nothing notable in the article, it merely lists the band members. Its singer is a notable actor but this band only has a brief mention on his article and notability is not inherited. A web search for the band brings up nothing the exclusively covers the band. There are other bands with the same name including covers band but I couldn't find anything on the blues band. InDimensional ( talk) 22:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Lemon Drop Kick

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Does not pass notability per WP:BAND as their main accomplishments are having songs used in a 2006 video game and a 2005 film. A google search for this band brings up no coverage at all. InDimensional ( talk) 22:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete nothing popped up in my search. Mach61 15:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The Ebb and Flow

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Unreferenced article. I couldn't find any significant coverage on the web; it's tough to search for them as their name is shared with a few other groups, but by including band members I found only a very brief Q&A on sfgate.com and an album review on aural-innovations.com, neither of these seem like WP:SIGCOV and nothing in the article suggests notability per WP:BAND InDimensional ( talk) 22:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep as they do have a staff written AllMusic bio here which states that they had a nationwide tour which is one of the criteria at WP:NMUSIC. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

DJ Darkzone

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Totally unreferenced article. No significant coverage of the artist on the web apart from a brief mention in a Complex article "The Best Licensed Songs Used in Video Game Commercials". The talk page suggest that the article was written as a class assignment. InDimensional ( talk) 22:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete: I don't see anything about this performer. Discogs, Soundcloud, the usual streaming sites. The link mentioned in the comment above mine is all I can find. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hosoi Bros

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No evidence of notability. Sharing the stage with bands with Wiki pages doesn't mean notability. I can't see in what format they were featured in the Oct '13 issue of Decibel, but they weren't mentioned in the cover. A search on the web for their quite unique band name brings up no significant coverage. InDimensional ( talk) 21:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. Does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:BAND. I'm not finding any significant coverage in an online search. For what it's worth, none of their songs have more than a few thousand views on YouTube, which is nothing. – Lord Bolingbroke ( talk) 22:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Monolithic (band)

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I'm unable to find any coverage of this band on the web. They have a generic name which makes it difficult, but even including the band members name brings up nothing. The sole claim to fame is winning an "American Synthpop Award", which does not seem like a notable or legitimate award. Most of the article is dedicated to the career of its solo member outside of the band. Additionally there might be a COI here. InDimensional ( talk) 21:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Wizardzz

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The only piece of significant coverage I can find on these guys is a [ Pitchfork.com review] for their only album. While a Pitchfork review is pretty impressive, I can't find anything else on them, so it seems they don't pass the "subject of multiple published works" criteria required for for WP:BAND. InDimensional ( talk) 21:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep. As is almost always the case with bands reviewed by Pitchfork, there are multiple published works covering the band; for instance, Tiny Mix Tapes reviewed the album, and there is a short bio and a substantial review at Allmusic. Meets WP:MUSIC. Chubbles ( talk) 16:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Chun Ge

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I think this is a non-existent term and there are not many related reference materials in the article. Meets the criteria of Delete policy 6. Neologisms, it is recommended to delete. SU YIQI ( talk) 05:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment: Pinging Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chun Ge participants: Piotrus ( talk · contribs), Mx. Granger ( talk · contribs), Harrz ( talk · contribs), and The person who loves reading ( talk · contribs). Cunard ( talk) 05:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. I suggested this to be deleted a few months back, saying sourcing is poor and article is confusing. Folks said 'sources exist in Chinese', without citing any or improving the article. At best I think we should move it to a draftspace or userspace if someone wants to work on this; otherwise, deleting this is no big loss, given how poorly written this is - it can be recreated from scratch if someone cares, with proper sources ( WP:TNT) later. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
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Keep. I don't think anything has really changed since the last nomination. There's extensive sourcing at zh:春哥 which seems to be enough to meet GNG. As I said last time, the article could certainly use work, but it's an okay starting point and doesn't need TNT. — Mx. Granger ( talk · contribs) 23:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Philippe Eidel

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No evidence of notability in the article or through searching for sources. The only citation in the article is about his death, which isn't notable. He was nominated for a grammy but didn't win. InDimensional ( talk) 20:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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being nominated for a grammy is literally criterion 8 of WP:MUSICBIO. the article isnt very good though and needs more sources Computerz4 ( talk) 21:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
True, edited my nomination to remove "does not pass WP:MUSICBIO" InDimensional ( talk) 22:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: Being nominated for a Grammy is automatic notability.-- 2601:345:0:52A0:E165:4C72:14FB:3B9A ( talk) 23:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: Subject hardly meets WP:GNG as none of the sources dig deep. Of course, not any Grammy nom deserves a standalone article. -- Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 21:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: The article is way too thin to establish minimum notability. Insufficient notability signals. WmLawson ( talk) 23:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. The current state of the article is not the standard for notability, and Eidel's French-language page gives sufficient signifiers to indicate notability, including independent coverage in French media. Chubbles ( talk) 16:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep on the basis of the references in the French article at fr:Philippe Eidel. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 00:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep: Sources used in the Fr wiki article are profiles and mostly directory listings. I've found this [3] and [4], although the second source is weak. He spoke to a group of music students here [5]. His name comes up over and over with an Algerian musician Khaled, I don't think is the same person as DJ Khaled... Regardless. Sources are likely in paper format, given the time he was active. Oaktree b ( talk) 01:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

RocknRollDating

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Afro fusion

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This particular music genre fails WP:GNG, WP:NMUSIC and WP:SUBNOT. It has not been discussed in reliable secondary sources, and there isn't a single reliable source that discusses the genre in detail. All of the article's sources involve artists self-describing their music as Afro-fusion via press releases and interviews. The page creator gathered tons of random sources that mention the term "Afro fusion" and piece them together to create the article. Note to closing administrator: This discussion needs adequate time and my hope is that enough participants contribute to the discussion. Let me also add that the article contains false information. The page creator claims that the genre was "developed in South Africa" and "universalized by Freshlyground". However, the source cited to support this info doesn't state any of this. As a matter of fact, the source states that Freshlyground's style of music is unofficially called Afro fusion and that it "contains elements of traditional South African music with blues, jazz and a spoonful of indie rock".

Here are a few sources from the article. I created the table below to show that none of the article's sources discuss the music genre. The table isn't complete but if you go through each source, you will see that none of them discuss the music genre.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Versace1608
https://www.nme.com/features/music-interviews/bnxn-afrofusion-superstar-interview-wizkid-burna-boy-3512374	An interview BNXN granted to NME. Article doesn't discuss the Afro-fusion genre, just that the artist makes said genre.		The source does not discuss the genre whatsover	✘ No
https://www.timeslive.co.za/tshisa-live/tshisa-live/2023-10-02-afro-fusion-star-siphokazi-chats-music-hiatus-and-new-project-in-the-pipeline/#google_vignette	An interview Siphokazi granted to Times Live. Article doesn't discuss the Afro-fusion genre, just mentions it in its title		The source does not discuss the genre whatsover	✘ No
https://mshale.com/2013/02/01/freshlyground-refreshing-music-hailing-south-africa/	Makes mention of the band's members and stated that the band's music has been dubbed Afro-fusion.		The source does not discuss the genre whatsover	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20240409204623/https://newsghana.com.gh/villy-is-a-nigerian-afro-fusion-and-soul-singer/	All of the article's material was copied from another blog	Promotional website. Per the website, users can email their stories to an email address listed	The source does not discuss the genre whatsover	✘ No
https://uproxx.com/music/burna-boy-i-told-them-review/			The source does not discuss the genre whatsover	✘ No
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/waka-waka-hitmakers-where-did-freshlyground-disappear-to-breaking-25-june-2023/			The source does not discuss the genre whatsover	✘ No
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-40580246			The source does not discuss the genre whatsover	✘ No
https://hiphopdx.com/news/jidenna-afro-dance-fusion-album-ready-to-go	Article is littered with quotes from Jidenna		The source does not discuss the genre whatsover	✘ No
https://www.arabnews.com/offbeat/afro-japanese-fusion-music-puzzles-traditionalists	Article contains several quotations from Mango		The source does not discuss the genre whatsover	✘ No
https://www.timeslive.co.za/tshisa-live/tshisa-live/2017-07-17-shocked-us-star-paul-simon-offers-support-to-ray-phiris-family/	Semi-indepedent		The source does not discuss the genre whatsover	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.

Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 02:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment: Afrofusion is a fusion genre "Fusion music, also known as crossover music, is a genre that blends various musical styles together to create unique and innovative compositions. It often combines elements of different genres such as jazz, rock, classical, or world music to create a new sound that transcends traditional boundaries. The essence of fusion music lies in its experimental nature and the exploration of new musical horizons." ( [1]) which by definition and explicit demonstration is the style of music associated-acts of afrofusion, illustrate.
1. A Google books search on "afro fusion" retains over 1000 results. ( [6])
2. "The band is known for its eclectic sound that combines elements of South African traditional music, jazz, blues, and indie rock. Freshlyground's music often features a mix of languages, including English, Xhosa, Zulu, and French, and their lyrics often address social and political issues such as poverty, inequality, and corruption." [7] ( Freshlyground) ( African Music Library Org)
3. "their sound is equally diverse, dipping into kwaito, folk, blues and jazz" (Freshlyground) [8] ( Mail & Guardian, 2006)
4. "There have always been rock, reggae, jazz and Afro-fusion bands in South Africa", "A brief profile of Laka's Afro fusion band image" - (Gavin Steingo, Kwaito's Promise Music and the Aesthetics of Freedom in South Africa, JSTOR - ISBN:9780226362687, 022636268X)
5. "Kenyan afrofusion arrived on the scene soon after the turn of the of the twenty-first century..." - ( Georgina Born , Music and Digital Media A planetary anthropology, ISBN:9781800082434, 1800082436)
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Comment: So Versace1608 and Qaqaamba have an open discussion at WP:ANI complaining about content dispute/edit warring on " Khona" and related articles, use of foul language and breaking the WP:3RR rule just to mention a few. The discussion hasn't been concluded yet but here you are again on AfD. dxneo ( talk) 19:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete: The article lacks clarity regarding the specific stylistic elements or rhythmic patterns that distinguish Afro-fusion as a distinct genre [9]. The article conflates afro fusion a term used in describing different genres of music as one specific genre of music [10] [11] [12]. For example, artists such as Burna boy, BNXN, and Omah Lay are used within the article and the sources of the article. These artists are mostly Afrobeats artists [13] [14] [15] with the name Afro-Fusion being used to describe their style of music as an offshoot or subgenre of afrobeats [16] [17]. Also, it is very important to note that the existence of the term afro fusion being used by multiple different sources on google books or jstor is not a good enough example of the existence of this genre especially considering that when these sources are reviewed one by one each of them are talking about different genres of music that often has nothing to do with each other, with some sources using the term afro fusion in referring to the fusion of foods. Bernadine okoro ( talk) 18:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete: Per above, the problem is not that "afro-fusion" as a term doesn't exist, because it obviously does. The problem is that various artists in different places (e.g Nigeria, South Africa) have used the name "Afro-fusion" to refer to /completely different things. This article, however, conflates them as some sort of connected, unified, related movement, which simply isn't the case and sources do not suggest as much. It's quite clear, for example, that what "Burna Boy" calls afro-fusion is simply an extension of Afrobeats, which is completely different to what, say, Sakaki Mango is calling "afro-fusion". This ultimately stems from the belief from the creator of the article that genre-names cannot be re-used by unrelated sounds. The result of this is a synthesis of various sources to suggest unrelated topics are all related to each-other. HarrySONofBARRY ( talk) 20:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: I took a short wiki-break. As per Versace1608's stipulations at ANI prior to this AfD, Versace1608's main concerns appeared to be whether the genre originated in South Africa or not and that "Burna Boy coined the term afrofusion" - which has/have been answered/established via sources in the article. As per the purpose of this AfD does the particluar article fail WP:GNG, WP:NMUSIC, WP:SUBNOT and has it been discussed in reliable secondary sources? HarrySONofBARRY - as per /info/en/?search=Talk:Afroswing#Third_opinion you agreed that any re-directs for "afrofusion" to afrobeats should be edited/deleted. Other editors appear to have edited multiple re-directs however it appears there is still a current re-direct from afrofusion to afrobeats,remainder/apparent. The stylistic origins/(influences) have been updated. In addition to previous listed stylistic origins ; world music, worldbeat, crossover music → traditional African music, Afropop and experimental music have been added as per sources , primary as well as secondary and context of the dance genre and musical style. In regards to Afro fusion as a cuisine, I believe that is a completely different topic and would hypothetically speaking be article: afro fusion (cuisine). Qaqaamba ( talk) 22:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Bernadine okoro
1. I have removed the Omah Lay, (now,previous) citation [18]
2. I have removed Burna Boy paragraphs/mentions from the article as per taking an in-depth look as well as , as per Talk:Burna Boy#Removal of Afrofusion discussion, although the artist claims he has pioneered Afro fusion as a genre, that proves to be false as per the article, in addition as per afrobeats' stylistic origins, the musical genres the musician has been blending up to date appear to be in fact the genres which indeed , make up afrobeats' (if I am not mistaken) and not afrofusion's true stylistic origins nor influences as per combined sources.
3. I have removed BXN's, (now previous) citation [19], although he blends an additional "non-afrobeats stylistic origin" genre Drill which is illustrative of the afrofusion musical style, in itself - the source stipulated previous contradictory information in regards to "it sees BNXN put his own stamp on Afrofusion – a term coined by Burna Boy to describe his own genreless style." As per afro-fusion article, sources and above we have established that Burna Boy did not coin the term.
4. @ Versace1608 as per Talk:Burna Boy#Removal of Afrofusion discussion and HarrySONofBarry's concerns will you still add a section inclusive of a hatnote in the afrobeats article differentiating in regards to afrofusion as an evidential term/ hypernym/idiom and the actual afrofusion dance genre and musical style?
5. Question: Should afrobeats be added as a regional scene in the afrofusion article i.e. "regional scene: {{hlist| [[afrobeats]]| Nigeria]]?
Qaqaamba ( talk) 09:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
But then the issue isn't just about removing artists whose style of music have been described with the term Afro fusion the issue is whether Afro fusion exists as a musical style of its own hereby needing a standalone article. To classify Afro fusion as a musical style of its own it means it must have a rhythmic pattern of its own because all music has rhythmic pattern even noise has rhythmic patterns. [20] [21] For example, afrobeats has the Clave (rhythm) as a rhythmic pattern, rock music has four-on-the-floor pattern while house music has a four-by-four beat pattern with a bass drum kick hitting on every beat from the article afro fusion seems to not have one. [22] [23] [24]The article dates the genre as early as the 1970s but it seems that there is already another musical style that has been described as Afro fusion dating to the 1950s [25]. Also, I find this statement broad

“By definition of a fusion genre and illustration of the afro-fusion musical style by associated-acts it is a genre and musical compositional form which incorporates traditional African music as well as Afropop, additionally spans between and blends various genres in a crossover-like style.”

For one Afropop is not a specific style of music, most often Afropop is used in describing any genre of music that is popular within the African continent or simply any African music. The afropop article talks about this [26]

Secondly if this style of music is the blending of any style of music with African traditional music, then that alone makes multiple different fusion styles of music that are within the continent to be afro fusion. But if that's what this article is about then the mentioning of 1970s South Africa as the cultural origins of this style of music will confuse readers because all fusion genres within the African continent didn't begin in South Africa. Also, there are fusion styles in Africa that predates the 1970s [27] [28].
So basically, the problem is that the article is not specific on what Afro fusion is as regards to it being a specific musical standalone style.The article, at its most effective, appears to gather every and any references to afrofusion in music without providing a clear definition of the genre itself. Bernadine okoro ( talk) 00:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
A musical style describes techniques and methodologies definied as or identified by composers of music and/or theorist of music. .

"but it seems that there is already another musical style that has been described as Afro fusion dating to the 1950s" - if I am not mistaken and this is the source and specific sentence you are referring to [29] " ...Ace Afrofusion pioneers one cannot forget to mention the ace Ghanian drummer Kofi Ghanaba (years active 1950s to 2008) whose late 1950s and early 1960s Afro-jazz style influenced Tony Allen (years active 1960s/1970s to 2020) and predated the afro-fusion music of Fela Kuti (years active 1960s to 1990s) by a decade" published by John Collins, in 2015 ( after the release of afrofusion and soca song " Waka Waka (This Time for Africa) (2010), which accelerated the usage of the term to describe both former historical as well as present day illustrations of fusing African music with Western music. It appears the author used it as an adjective, additionally the author is referring to Afro-jazz (which appears to be a fusion of African music and jazz) which numerous African countries , claim or label and appear to have "pioneers" of e.g. Hugh Masekela ( years active 1950s to 2018) "Masekela began to hone his, now signature, Afro-Jazz sound in the late 1950s during a period of intense creative collaboration" [30] or Manu Dibango ( years active 1968 to 2020). Google infobox for "Afro-jazz" - [31]. Furthermore African Jazz Pioneers (also Afro-jazz ) (Years active:1950s -present) stipulates the origin as "still", Johannesburg, South Africa. African Jazz pioneers was also inclusive of Dudu Pukwana a member of Assagai an afrorock band. Afrorock blends elements of rock music with African influences which would hypethically speaking , if not by sources also be described as or make useage of the term "an afrofusion band/ genre". The fact that the term was coined by South African/(s) Sylvia Glasser and Vincent Mantsoe has already been confirmed and established via numerous reliable primary and secondary sources years prior to the publishing of the specific book and source you are referencing [32].

Marabi , which combines numerous musical styles including jazz emerged and evolved from the 1890s to 1920s and beyond in, South Africa.

Afrofusion as a musical style and clear evidential fusion genre as per stylistic origins/ influences such as traditional African music or afropop genres and the technique, the rhythmic pattern of the song(s) would be and depend on which genre(s) are used at that specific time or point (from the perspective of a fusion genre that would mean , 100s if not 1000s of evidential rhythms ot as you've linked to display "rhythmic patterns" i.e. Freshlyground's musical compositions for instance often blended kwaito with indie-rock. A song released in this musical style's rhythmic patterns would then be four on the floor , strumming pattern, ride cymbal and clave., if not more.

The fact is that there is a plethora of both reliable primary and secondary sources confirming the musical style's definite, existence additionally as a distinct dance and musical style, (particulary, afrofusion).

I believe anything else, if necessary and of factual notable importance or significance could/ would be edited accordingly. The notion for this AfD is that "This particular music genre fails WP:GNG, WP:NMUSIC and WP:SUBNOT. It has not been discussed in reliable secondary sources, and there isn't a single reliable source that discusses the genre in detail."

Qaqaamba ( talk) 12:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
As per reliable primary and secondary sources, afrofusion as both a dance and musical style emerged during the apartheid era, a period marked by limited access to well-recorded and easily shareable information.

"Also, there are fusion styles in Africa that predates the 1970s [22] [23]". It is simply indicative of precursors possibly even for afrobeat or afrobeats.

The emergence of a musical genre involves a specific time period, reflecting the state of the world, country, or city at that time, along with distinct stylistic origins, influences, and locations. For instance, Tsapiky fused South African pop with native Malagasy traditions in the 1970s, indicative of the musical landscape and cultural influences of that era. While afrofusion originated in the 1970s to 1980s, it remains relevant, unlike Tsapiky, which has waned in popularity. Musical instruments, compositional techniques, and cultural influences evolve over time, shaping fusion genres differently across various periods and regions in African music history before the 1970s, various African fusion genres existed, each characterized by distinct time periods, stylistic origins, influences, locations, and cultural contexts within the diverse musical landscape of the continent.

Worldbeat, a genre blending pop or rock with world music, differs from afro-fusion, which originated in the 1970s in South Africa, blending various specifically African pop genres. Worldbeat emerged in the mid-1980s in the UK and US, reflecting integrated cultural influences. Afrofusion, being a progressive and living genre opposed to "dead genre" which would've meant did not regain or maintain mainstream popularity, incorporates elements from worldbeat and other styles, suggesting a stylistic connection. Artists like Miriam Makeba [33], prominent in afrofusion's early years, were influential figures in world music/ worldbeat as well. Although it diverges from the main topic, it seems possible that worldbeat could perhaps be considered a subgenre or derivative form of afrofusion, given the timeline and historical context.

As an umbrella term, afro-fusion does not negate the existence of precursors, it remains distinct from them. Its origins are firmly established in the 1970s to 1980s, supported by abundant reliable primary and secondary sources.

Qaqaamba ( talk) 15:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
To be clear, I agreed to a compromise solution so we could move forward with our conversation and ultimately deduced that a redirect is not as important as the other issues we were discussing.
As I raised there and on the Afrobeats talk page, I ultimately disagreed with your changes and wished to discuss it at a later date. HarrySONofBARRY ( talk) 15:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
A redirect plays a crucial role in guiding readers to related and, most importantly, accurate articles.

As per numerous discussions elsewhere, I repeatedly stipulated that musical genre/styles cannot explicity share the exact name and that differentiations are always/have to be made, e.g. Hip hop and Hipco both rap genres, however distinct from one another in regards to predominant location of origin, culture as well as stylistic origins/influences. Both yourself and Bernadine Okoro appear to insistently oppose this methodology and logic. Furthermore, hypothetically speaking introducing Hip Hop vs. explicitly titled Hip Hop (actually, Liberian Hip Hop/rap) into the encyclopedia is not only misleading as well as confusing to readers however damaging to the encyclopedia. Versace 1608, indirectly stipulated this amongst viewpoints in discussion Talk:Burna Boy#Removal of Afrofusion, in regards to the fact that afrofusion shouldn't be linked in Burna Boy's article and once more as per above, a hatnote needed to be included in the afrobeats article.

It has been consistently established through numerous discussions that Afrofusion (1970s - 1980s/2000s) does not explicitly ≠ Afrobeats (2000s/2010s), as well as obvious as per times of emergence and stipulated stylistic origins/influences. To conclude and addressing you as the most probable editor to possibly do this since you created the afrobeats article this aspect, the "undeletable/ ongoing" re-direct should be be deleted. Additionally, one cannot explicitly title afrobeats as afrofusion and even as other name in the infobox parameter, too would be confusing/misleading to readers. The hatnote appears to be the best solution.
Qaqaamba ( talk) 09:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Neutral:The first impression I had about this article was it will be notable but on looking at the sources I began to disagree with myself. I found sources that speak about the struggles of some supposedly "Afrofusion artists", top artists claiming their musical genre was Afrofusion (even though critics address them as Afrobeats), and a few mentions of this supposed musical genre. What I didn't see were sources dedicated to analyzing the musical genre which I believe is fundamental to establishing it as one. If it is not deleted, it should probably be listed as a derivative of Afrobeats. HandsomeBoy ( talk) 15:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Based on the article, reliable primary and secondary sources, and the preceding discussion, to reiterate, it's apparent that while some artists may use "afrofusion" as a hypernym or term, the musical style itself predates the emergence of afrobeats in the 2000s to 2010s. It experienced a period of relative obscurity during apartheid but regained mainstream popularity in the 2000s. Categorizing afrofusion solely as a derivative of afrobeats would be illogical and misleading to readers, given its established existence prior to the rise of afrobeats. Qaqaamba ( talk) 16:01, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Ney Mello

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No notability in the article beyond a dubious 'guitar picking' statement and no significant coverage to be found on the web. InDimensional ( talk) 19:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Apatia

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No notability evident in the article per WP:BAND, mainly just states that they're straight edge and played some concerts. Additionally, I can't find any real coverage on them on the web. InDimensional ( talk) 09:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep. I don't know how the nom looked for sources, but they managed to miss and ignore the source cited in the article, from Onet.pl, which meets SIGCOV and is reliable. So that's one - and it calls this band "legendary". Pl wiki lists two more sources, from a notable NGO, which calls one of its albums "cult" ( [34]). The band is mentioned in academic works, including in English, ex [35] "most of the best Polish punk bands such as Apatia...". Other Polish sources: [36] (onet again), [37] ( Gazeta Wyborcza - Polish main newspaper of record), [38] ( Życie Warszawy) I am not going to list more sources, but plenty exist even in English. The nominator deserves a WP:TROUT for terrible execution of WP:BEFORE, since finding sources does not even require speaking Polish (not that these days, with solid machine translation built into most browsers, this should be much of an excuse). PS. That said, the claim about them being mentioned in PWN I could not verify. The article needs improvement, here and on pl wiki, but this is no reason to nuke it. Sources I found here should be enough for anyone who cares to improve this article to get it to DYK level... maybe even I'll do it one day if I find the time. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
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Tagged as unreferenced since 2009 but was actually unreferenced since 2006. No good hits on GNews and GBooks. GNews archives only turned out two ads related to it. Alternatively, Redirect to List of programs broadcast by ABS-CBN. -- Lenticel ^(
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John Moore (bluegrass musician)

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This article has no sources and no indication of notability. It was nominated for deletion nearly 20 years ago and has not been improved since it was created in 2005. The subject does not meet any of the guidelines listed in WP:NMUSIC nor WP:NBIO.

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Delete - It is important to note that the WP:NMUSICIAN requirements have gotten much tougher since 2006, when this article survived an AfD discussion pretty much because the gentleman was visible on the Internet. Meanwhile, the current version of the article could possibly be speedy deleted under WP:A7 because it makes no attempt to say how/if he is notable. At any rate, the gentleman is a perennial sideman and local performer who is surely good at what he does, but he has not received the in-depth media coverage that is necessary here, and is only visible in typical streaming and promotional services. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 14:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to Byron Berline: I searched but could not find in-depth coverage about Moore. It's not an easy search because of his name and he's played at many bluegrass festivals so a lot hot hits to wade through but I did add a couple sources at least for verification. He was in Berline's band California which won International Bluegrass Music Association Instrumental Group of the Year three years in a row and Moore is mentioned in article. He also taught mandolin to Nickel Creek's Chris Thile and Sean Watkins which might qualify for WP:NMUSICOTHER #3 or #5 but I think that's a weak claim. S0091 ( talk) 16:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Baltimore Choral Arts Society

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No refs on the page for many years. I see some mentions and directories and possibly even programmes for performances, but I'm not seeing the level of substantial independent reliable sourcing needed to meet the inclusion criteria on en.wiki JMWt ( talk) 17:20, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep There's plenty of WP:SIGCOV [39] - article needs work but that's not grounds for deletion. Simonm223 ( talk) 17:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Ok great, please add the strongest sources to the page that show the notability criteria have been met. JMWt ( talk) 17:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
How about you do it instead. Simonm223 ( talk) 17:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The news sources you've provided are mostly not accessible to me in my country. But you are right that these appear to be SIGCOV looking at the titles of the news articles, but it is a shame nobody has improved it since 2009. JMWt ( talk) 17:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I also don't have a subscription to Baltimore newspapers. This is neither here nor there for whether the article should be deleted. Hopefully an editor from Baltimore will see this conversation and do it. Simonm223 ( talk) 18:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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The Myth (band)

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Very little coverage on the web. Being a support act and esp. for tribute bands does not establish notability per WP:BAND. Previous AfD nomination was closed due to prior vandalism on the page. InDimensional ( talk) 11:07, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak Keep - Their bland name makes searching tough, but a search for individual members leads to a few minor newspaper articles in their country: [40], [41], [42], [43]. Those have some basic info but are not very descriptive about the band's entire history. There may be enough for a stub article here, per a generous reading of the coverage requirements in WP:NBAND. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 13:07, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Mastering engineer

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This has been tagged as having issues for two years for being based on OR. Slatersteven ( talk) 16:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Strong keep - Mastering engineer seems to be the WP:COMMONNAME for a person who professionally masters audio. I would advise the nominator to read WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Mastering engineers are, for instance, one type of recipient eligible to receive a Grammy award - Grammy Award for Best Engineered Album, Non-Classical. Plenty of good quality sources are available on Google if you search for mastering engineer, happy to provide some if anyone seriously doubts that. BrigadierG ( talk) 18:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Merge Mastering (audio) into this article. Currently, we have articles on both the profession of mastering engineers and the field of mastering, even though Audio engineer and Audio engineering point to the same place. To match that article, we should turn Mastering (audio) into a redirect to this article after information and citations have been merged. Mach61 18:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
This is a vote on the mastering engineer article, you can't vote to do things to other articles as part of this AfD - this is just a keep vote. BrigadierG ( talk) 18:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ BrigadierG WP:AFDFORMAT explicitly states If you think the article should be a disambiguation page, a redirect or merger to another article, then recommend "Disambiguation", "Redirect" or "Merge". Do not recommend deletion in such cases. Mach61 18:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes, exactly. You do not think the page Mastering engineer should be a disambiguation page, a redirect or merger to another article, so you would not vote for disambiguation, redirection, merge, or delete. You would vote keep. BrigadierG ( talk) 18:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ BrigadierG Fair. The reason I put "merge" as my bolded vote is that the mastering article was of higher quality and detail, so most of the content in a combined article would be from there. Mach61 18:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
That is fair enough BrigadierG ( talk) 19:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Merge seems fair. Slatersteven ( talk) 10:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Merge per Mach61's analogy with Audio engineer and Audio engineering. NicolausPrime ( talk) 11:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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The Defiant (band)

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A newly created band consisting of notable members fails to establish independent notability. I tried, but couldn't find significant coverage in third-party reliable sources. A Google News search yielded some sources, but they mostly consist of passing mentions or routine coverage. IMO, it fails to meet the criteria outlined in WP:NBAND and is a possible case of WP:NOTINHERITED. GSS  ^💬 07:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep meets WP:BAND#C6, coverage in the Boston Globe and Phoenix New Times. Mach61 08:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I doubt these sources discuss the band in detail; rather, they likely provide routine coverage. GSS  ^💬 08:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ GSS why are you writing this as if you haven't actually read the linked articles Mach61 17:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
That's your assumption; nothing else. Could you explain how the sources you mentioned above satisfy WP:INDEPTH? GSS  ^💬 17:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ GSS The New Times piece is over 1000 words long Tangential:INDEPTH links to WP:Notability (events), which is obviously not applicable in this case. Perhaps you caught a case of WP:UPPERCASE? Mach61 18:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
⁤I agree that the article is lengthy, but it seems to lack sufficient independent focus on the band itself. ⁤⁤Throughout this article, the band's name is mentioned only five times, excluding the title and image description, and often in passing. ⁤⁤It's quite normal to receive such attention in the media when the subject is linked to notable people. ⁤⁤However, as of now, since the band was formed, it hasn't achieved anything notable. ⁤⁤They have released a few single and only one album, and that too on a non-notable label. ⁤⁤While the band has garnered some attention because of its notable founding members, this doesn't establish independent notability. Therefore, I would say it's too soon for an independent article until the band becomes independently notable. GSS  ^💬 04:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ GSS Your statement that Throughout this article, the band's name is mentioned only five times, excluding the title and image description, and often in passing} is nonsensical, the term "passing mention" refers to coverage 1-2 sentences long in an article. Obviously, an article about the band is not a passing mention of them.

Your statement that the band hasn't "achieved" anything notable is just an opinion; I've already shown two sources covering them in detail Mach61 23:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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A-Plus (rapper)

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Fails WP:NMUSIC. Just because we have several articles about music produced by him does not make him notable, I find that he is not notable as a musician or a producer. Nagol0929 ( talk) 15:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment: I haven't looked closely yet as to whether his article deserves to stay, but it seems to me a redirect to Souls of Mischief might be a better option than outright deletion... yes, I know he is part of Hieroglyphics (group) as well and therefore WP:XY may be considered here, but Hieroglyphics is all of Souls of Michief plus four other people, so he's still a part of Hieroglyphics as a member of Souls of Mischief. Richard3120 ( talk) 16:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Comment: He clearly passes WP:NMUSIC#C6 if he's part of two notable production groups. That doesn't mean we have to have a standalone article on him, just noting a discrepancy in the nom statement. Mach61 20:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Weak keep or merge to Souls of Mischief as he does have some individual reliable sources coverage such as an AllMusic staff bio here and a review of one of his 3 solo albums here, Atlantic306 ( talk) 21:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Weak Delete Other than the 2 sources provided by above editor, there are not enough reliable coverage and 2 of the sources are interviews. Bradelykooper ( talk) 08:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect. None of the sources appear to be reliable, but a search of his name would go to the band's article, a compromise that we do sometimes. Bearian ( talk) 14:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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@ Bearian: AllMusic is a reliable source as per [ [44]] and the bio and album review are not interviews as someone else claimed, Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Atlantic306: the only problem is that AllMusic isn’t being used as a reference and all 3 of the references are interviews. Of those only 1 is about A-Plus. Nagol0929 ( talk) 03:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Have added the AllMusic sources as references, Atlantic306 ( talk) 14:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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