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I am renominating this article for a better debate. I think the 1st nomination was not discussed thoroughly enough. The subject is not meeting requirements of English WP notability for MMA fighters (
WP:NMMA). Somehow with low participation on last nomination, the article was kept under the pretext that
WP:GNG was met. I disagree. Here's why:
The sources on the article mainly consist of database entries, interviews, subject's personal website and routine fight results. Article about signing his autobiography at a book store and breakdown in negotiations about an OKTAGON promotion title fight. It appears subject authored a self-published autobiography, which does not help the claim of notability. Biography in a Czech sports site, which doesn't appear to be very neutral based on the section titled "Patrik Kincl - the birth of an MMA god”. It seems to be Czech MMA website that has lots of MMA bios, with lack of independent fact checking.
The sources do not appear to be reliable and independent sources. No indication of independent fact checking. No indication that we have the type of coverage required to meet WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. WP:MMA is definitely off the table which should be reason why the article would be there in the first place. The subject is supposed to be notable for his sporting accolades, but they fail to meet notability guidelines.
As user Papaursa, mentioned in the first nomination, all coverage is very typical sports reporting that can be found for any fighters, which is nothing that shows particular notability. In addition, the use of the subject personal website biography twice and the tone used, in my opinion indicates potential PROMO.
Lekkha Moun (
talk) 18:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Weak keep, should certainly be trimmed / improved / sourced, whole sections could go, but it seems a bit unfair to single out this team, as it is only one of a long list
here, and while I realise it's not a real guide to notability, the fact that it has 9 language versions at least show there's some passing interest beyond its homeland and has some historical significance. It's pretty niche stuff, but a lot of others in that list are too and it may be more logical to start from the most obscure and work up, don't want to insult anyone's region but
Seborga national football team looks an example of one with far less merit for inclusion than Silesia.
The name is a topic that's come up previously, particularly relating to the more prominent non-nations like Catalonia. Personally I would have no problem with it being something like 'representative football team' for all of these, but it's been argued that there are quite a few non-sovereign FIFA teams so the word 'national' is really just used to differentiate them from clubs and does not necessarily infer a certain status on the territory in question.
Only other thing is, do Wallonia and Frisia have any sort of combined team that plays matches? That's not meant to be a 'well do they???' question, I'm genuinely not sure, but I couldn't see one on French or Dutch wiki where one might expect to find something snuck away. If they have never had such a team, it's not really fair to compare their non-presence to articles for teams that have demonstrably played matches, even if really long ago and/or at a very low level.
Crowsus (
talk) 22:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep – There are football teams that cover non-sovereign territories, such as the most notable cases of
Catalonia and the
Basque Country, as well as some
CONIFA members such as
Occitania and
County of Nice. If there are sources that cover the team, there are no problems, as Silesia is competing in the
UEFA Regions' Cup.
Svartner (
talk) 01:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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GiantSnowman 09:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Weak keep Why is a regional team titled as national? Should be titled
Silesia regional football team. Next whats with the Notable players section? That should be removed. Seems to have been abused? No history section? Must be something surely for the regional team. Certainly needs sorting out.
Govvy (
talk) 12:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing
WP:LISTN. Also, not a single source. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to
WP:USEFUL.
SpacedFarmer (
talk) 10:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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GiantSnowman 09:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
GiantSnowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply