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John Hoberman

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Doesn't appear to pass WP:ACADEMIC. Multiple WP:BLP issues with the page, as well as sourcing issues and WP:NOR. The article was created by a WP:SPA IP address back in 2005. GuardianH ( talk) 19:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Leaning delete unless better sources can be found. I couldn't find anything independent of Hoberman himself or University of Texas. Cnilep ( talk) 01:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Leaning keep -- ugh, this article is a mess, a minefield of BLP and SPA and NOR problems (even the photo!). I won't weep for it if it's deleted. But we do have a full professor at a major research university (usually a good sign of a WP:PROF likely pass) with books by U. Chicago Press and Houghton Mifflin, which is probably enough with any of the controversies to pass WP:AUTHOR. But what a mess. There's the old saying "AfD is not cleanup" but a Soft Delete (=expired PROD, no prejudice against creating again) might be a good way to deal with the major BLP issues. And yet, I think the subject is more likely notable than not. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 10:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply

SV Vesta Stadion

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Fails WP:NSTADIUM, fails WP:GNG, no WP:RS available. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of sports television composers

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Not that all but one is entirely unsourced but WP:LISTCRUFT sums it all up. Virtually all of those bluelinked are not specific to sports broadcastings; for example, a bulk of John Williams' fame was from movie composing. Are we going to every film and TV composers who worked on the Olympics too. Are we going to list Emerson, Lake & Palmer ( Fanfare for the Common Man) and Fleetwood Mac ( The Chain) too? I cannot see this passing WP:NLIST too. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 10:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Mihaaru Awards

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. The topic is an award given by a local newspaper. The contents is a list of recipients, and the sourcing is just about recipients of it. Nothing approaching even 1/4 of GNG coverage of the topic. North8000 ( talk) 13:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of 2015 Pan and Parapan American Games broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to nobody but the small minority of ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are announcements and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 10:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Yamnuska Mountain Adventures

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Non-notable mountain guiding company in Canada (per N:CORP). There are some scraps of articles in local old Canadian newspapers, but nothing nationally or internationally (and zero SIGCOV anywhere). Some famous Canadian climbers have worked there, but the company never appears in any of main climbing RS (per WP:NCLIMB). Article had a lot of unreferenced promotional material, which I removed, but ultimately it has no future on Wikipedia. Aszx5000 ( talk) 10:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Sports, and Canada. Aszx5000 ( talk) 10:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Very little of the content in the article is referenced or supported by reliable sources. Of the 6 references provided, 3 of the links are broken or the original articles have now been taken off-line. It fails on the basis of verifiability Sadly what is little sourced material is left does not qualify as WP:SIGCOV. Dfadden ( talk) 12:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    What content do you believe should be referenced? Jdemontigny ( talk) 02:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Well, for starters, the entire Sponsorship and Community Involvement section contains only 4 refs, 2 of which are dead links, another points only to a homepage for the John Lauchlan award and makes no mention of Yamnuska Mountain Adventures and the final one makes only passing reference to the organisation sponsoring a $500 prize in a local book contest - hardly in-depth, significant coverage!
    The list of issues is a very long one - history section talks about changes of ownership and board appointments with no sources cited; guides section makes generic, unreferenced claims about pioneering new routes through the Rockies; a throwaway line after a referenced claim that they were the second largest employer of certified guides in 1993 that says "it is expected that this is true today" - really? How do we check this anyway as the original source is a 30 year old off-line newspaper article that you'd likely need a Canadian library or subscription to an archive service to verify.
    There is a large amount unencyclopedic promotional content throughout the article that likey violates WP:PROMO (eg. "The very exacting standards to which Yamnuska Mountain Adventure's guides are held should not obscure the fact that the guides are the heart and soul of the company." or "Individuals, groups, corporations and military organizations from all over the world continue to choose Yamnuska Mountain Adventures as their provider. Yamnuska Mountain Adventures has become known as the leader in the industry with excellent program delivery, high levels of risk management and excellent customer service." Once again, neither of these statements are supported by any sources, let alone reliable ones. Dfadden ( talk) 13:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'd love to see this stay up as I think Yamnuska has a long (47 years) history and has had many touch points within the Canadian mountaineering community that are worth knowing about. You're right it needs some work with the references. Here is one for the John Lauchlan award with Yamnuska listed to start: https://www.alpineclubofcanada.ca/community/financial-grants/john-lauchlan-award/
    How do you suggest I reference or find sources that we have military contracts?
    You seem pretty motivated to delete this content but I would suggest that working to bring this to the right level would be in Wikipedia's best interest. Jdemontigny ( talk) 02:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I appreciate you feel strongly about the importance of this company. I don't have any personal investment either way. Im not motivated to delete content arbitrarily, but afyer objectively assessing it against wikipedia's content policies, the case to delete it far outweighs the case to keep it in my view. The link you provided to the John Lauchlan award doesnt actually mention the company, but has its logo as a sponsor. Under Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines that are the basis for what should and should not be included in the encyclopedia, "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." I'm failing to see how the inclusion of the company's logo on a list of award sponsors is anything but trivial.
    As to your question about finding sources related to military contracts, if you cannot locate any, this fails the general notability guidelines of WP:Verifiability - if you cannot find a reliable source that supports a claim, then that claim shouldn't be published in an encyclopedia. There are many companies with Defense contracts and partnerships all over the world that are well documented in industry publications (for example this article, which provides independent, significant coverage [1]).
    If you think you can fix the article to an standard that satisfies the notability guidelines, you can request it is moved to the draft space where you can edit it, however I'm slight concerned that you said "How do you suggest I reference or find sources that we have military contracts?" This implies you have some connection to this company that may represent a Conflict of Interest. If this is the case you should declare it upfront and click on the blue link to familiarise yourself with the policy around COI edits. Dfadden ( talk) 03:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply

AFL Tables

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Fails GNG and WP:WEBCRIT. A search for "AFL Tables" will show up thousands of webpages which reference statistics from this online database, but no references which actually give significant coverage about the database as a subject, which is the benchmark which must be met under WEBCRIT. Google searching "paul jeffs afl tables" is a better search term to look for SIGCOV about the database (since any genuine SIGCOV would include Jeffs' name as the site's creator), and the best that shows up a few appreciative one-liner posts in public forums and on other stats databases - nothing which meets GNG's requirements of significance and independence. I don't see any valid alternative to deletion; there's no merge or redirect target that makes sense, and issue of lack of references can't reasonably be solved by draftifying. Aspirex ( talk) 00:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

[...] there are also a few publicly curated databases, the best of which is the brilliant AFL Tables maintained by Paul Jeffs. Jeffs' database includes, among other information, results from every AFL/VFL match since 1897, detailed player statistics dating back to 1965, and round-by-round Brownlow voting records from 1984 onwards. "It's a nice dataset, I can say that," said Dr Lenten. "It gives me good bang for my buck because it's possible to look at a number of problems."
(Aside: Footballistics; amazing book, excellent source of information on modern Australian football. Doesn't have a fucking index. I had to skim through all 362 pages to find that paragraph the first time.)
As to what should happen to the article... I agree it probably doesn't meet the GNG. That paragraph's not enough. I also agree there's no mainspace target for redirection or a merger. But I think an article on Australian rules football analytics ("statistics"? I'm still undecided) would be an obvious place to briefly discuss AFL Tables. So, uh, this may be a bit unorthodox, but how would we feel about merging it to my draft? I would be happy to move it into draftspace proper if Gibbsyspin preferred. – Tera tix ₵ 12:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I think that would work. It would need to be its own fairly standalone subsection within the analytics article, to ensure that the thousands of wikilinks which may be put in article reflists are directed somewhere specific rather than to a general analytics page. As long as that's achievable, I think that's a valid option. Aspirex ( talk) 15:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete with a view to creating a redirect to the statistics article once Teratix has moved their draft to mainspace (or it is otherwise created). It is regrettable that such an important RS doesn't meet GNG or WEBCRIT but there is simply no SIGCOV. Aspirex - I think a Template:Anchor would do the trick. And there are ~12,000 transclusions of Template:AFL Tables that could conceivably link there!
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Sports broadcasting contracts in New Zealand

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are basically news announcement and does not assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 20:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Iran at the 2026 Asian Games

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Delete per WP:TOOSOON. This article was created by the same user who created Singapore at the 2026 Asian Games and Vietnam at the 2026 Asian Games. As was said by CycloneYoris, it is still too early for this article and the accompanying articles to exist. Flemmish Nietzsche ( talk) 01:09, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Busch Field

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No refs on the page for many years. Not seeing substantial coverage of the topic in independent reliable sources needed for consideration against the inclusion criteria. JMWt ( talk) 14:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete Agreeing for the reasons listed above, and I would raise the idea of redirecting to Busch Stadium Kingsmasher678 ( talk) 14:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of figure skaters

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Grossly out-of-date and incomplete. Even if the list WERE complete AND up-to-date, there is no lead section, no cited sources, AND no explanation why this list is encyclopedically notable. In the current form, it will never meet the requirements of a quality list article on Wikipedia. I also don't really get the purpose of this article. For searching figure skaters, we have the category "figure skaters", which has the big advantage that newly-created biographies are automatically added there. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep: This nomination is nonsense. It tries to justify deletion by pointing out ways that the article could be improved, which assumes that the article should be kept in the first place. HyperAccelerated ( talk) 01:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Valid navigational list created on Jul 4th, 2008. It would be more useful if all the names were in columns, with columns available to show more information about them. Dream Focus 02:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I just finished adding sortable columns. Dream Focus 02:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Nominator's comment Someone can close this AFD as it has received no other delete votes and the article can be salvaged. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep List is valid and may require updating and addition of other entries. -- Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 11:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. We don't need a complete list of every figure skater ever in one article. ON the topic of other articles, WP:OSE applies, but also Lists of tennis players is links to lots of different sub-articles with specific criteria, List of current AFC team rosters and List of female American football players has sufficiently few people that an encyclopedic article with text could be created. Listing thousands of figure skaters in one article would make a ridiculously long article, which isn't needed. Splitting by winning significant events e.g. world/continental championships would be sensible, but this article is and always will be a directory violation. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Split Too large to justify a single list. PetScan counts 4825 articles within the Category:Figure skaters tree, which are almost all biographies. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 20:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I have been working on this article, and we can easily split it into 1) men’s singles, 2) women’s singles, 3) pairs, and 4) ice dance; with this article left as a disambiguating page. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Singapore at the 2026 Asian Games

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Delete per WP:TOOSOON. It's still too early for this article to exist. Created by the same user who created Vietnam at the 2026 Asian Games which I also nominated for deletion. CycloneYoris talk! 00:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Return to Draft Traumnovelle ( talk) 02:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Draftify per Frank. S5A-0043 Talk 08:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete way WP:TOOSOON. In 6 months time, it will still be too soon, and so I object to draftifying this as draftspace is not an indefinite holding area. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 09:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I disagree strongly. It is very reasonable to have some level of information about a country's participation in international competition two years ahead of time. Therefore, drafspace would be the exact opposite of an indefinite holding area If this proves not to be the case, the draft can easily be deleted in October 2024. Frank Anchor 15:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • For most events like this, the qualifying tournaments will be at most a year before the event i.e. in 2025. Unless there is evidence that there are 2026 Asian Games qualifiers this year, and so we'll know some qualified Singaporean competitors in 6 months time, then draftspace is not needed. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 16:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Utterly non-encyclopedic. The current entry contains nothing of value. The desire to create articles way ahead of time needs to be stamped out. It's an unhealthy "I was here first" culture which does not add value to Wikipedia. Geschichte ( talk) 08:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Draftify: per all above. '''[[ User:CanonNi]]''' ( talk| contribs) 00:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment from nominator: I strongly oppose draftifying, since it will still be TOOSOON in 6 months time, as Joseph2302 states. Deletion is definitely preferrable. CycloneYoris talk! 21:18, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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History of rugby union matches between Leicester and Leinster

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There is no real rivalry between these two sides, with no WP:GNG coverage of the rivalry, just a collection of stats with violates WP:NOTSTATS and WP:NLIST. Similar discussions such as this and this have shown a clear consensus on these sorts of articles. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Lauri Bonacorsi

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Fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. NSKATE is not as important as BASIC. This is a useful short article on a skater who was reasonably successful in junior skating tournaments. Articles on those tournaments work in their current format because there are articles on most of the medalists; there is therefore no need to say anything about the medalists in such articles (for example: ISU Junior Grand Prix in Australia). Deleting articles such as this one, has a detrimental effect on other articles.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • That the subject of the article meets WP:BASIC is a valid policy-based reason for keeping the article. Hameltion had already given examples of significant coverage in two different reliable sources, so there was no point in my repeating them. Nothing in the essay you mentioned contradicts that.
  • Explaining how articles like this one support other articles is not a policy-based reason for retention. But it is nevertheless true.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Yasmin Siraj

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Fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep, agreed that there's more than enough to meet both GNG and NSKATE -- TJS808 ( talk) 22:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Just for clarification, the nominator is correct that the subject does not meet NSKATE. JTtheOG ( talk) 23:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. NSKATE is not as important as GNG. This is a useful short article on a skater who was reasonably successful in junior skating tournaments. Articles on those tournaments work in their current format because there are articles on most of the medalists; there is therefore no need to say anything about the medalists in such articles (for example: ISU Junior Grand Prix in France). Deleting articles such as this one, has a detrimental effect on other articles.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Garrett MacKeen

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Fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Mackenzie Bent

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Fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Travis Mager

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Absolutely fails WP:NSKATE; an earlier PROD had been removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Agree with recommendation to delete, fails both general and specific notability rules-- TJS808 ( talk) 22:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Basque trinquete

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No refs on the page for many years. There are a number of unref claims on the page which could be removed per WP:V but I'm also unclear whether this is a duplicate page with content from another or something else altogether. There are WP pages in other languages but they don't have many refs and do not clear up the confusion. It feels like it could perhaps be merged with Basque pelota but I'm confused so this might not be appropriate for reasons I do not fully understand JMWt ( talk) 06:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment - If this page is deleted, something will also have to be done with the Trinquete disambiguation page, which has only this entry and Valencian trinquet. Valencian trinquet also does not cite any sources, so could potentially fail notability as well. Bandit Heeler ( talk) 08:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Merge and redirect to a new chapter in Basque pelota. Sources exist on the web, so the article could probably be kept, but I agree that this would make more sense as a chapter in the parent article, which already has sections on the equipment used in the sport, so why not also on the court. You may like to note that notability does not rest on whatever citations have or have not been put in an article, but on what exists in the world outside. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 09:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Ekaterina Zaikina

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Absolutely fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Estádio Arena do Município Verde

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Fails WP:GNG, notability is not inherited per WP:NARENA and WP:NBUILDING. Nagol0929 ( talk) 12:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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World Runners Association

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Does not meet GNG/NCORP. The only source that is about WRA and in-depth is the BBC. Some of the sources make no mention of WRA and the others are brief mentions or based on what the organization/those affiliated say. S0091 ( talk) 16:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply


  • Jack Palfrey. "Is this the world's most exclusive travel club?". BBC News. Retrieved 2024-04-11.
  • "Danish runner contesting Russ Cook's claim says he wants to get 'facts correct': Russ Cook's claim has been contested by the World Runners Association". The Independent. 2024-04-08. Retrieved 2024-04-11.
  • "'Hardest Geezer' Russ Cook's Africa run contested by man who did it 14 years ago: Russ Cook, from Worthing, West Sussex, finished his gruelling 352-day run from South Africa to Tunisia on Sunday. But claims he is the first to run the length of Africa have been contested by the World Runners Association". Sky News. Retrieved 2024-04-11.
The fact that the organization seems to be using Wikipedia for promotion is unfortunate, but also must not be a reason for its deletion; as with all articles we need to look at the sources neutrally. -- Habst ( talk) 20:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Habst the Independent and Sky News (along with others published around April 8th) are based almost entirely what those affiliated with organization say so primary and is also churnalism. S0091 ( talk) 20:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ S0091, The Independent and Sky News aren't churnalism outlets, they're both marked as "generally reliable" by CiteHighlighter and WP:RSP. They're also not the only sources, as you pointed out, there are many others from around that time period.
With great respect, I think this is a misapplication of WP:Primary – of course, news outlets will respond to and report quotes and statements from organization officials with analysis. That is journalism and secondary sourcing, not primary sourcing. A primary source would be, for example, citing the World Runners Association Charter document (if one exists) or similar.
Thank you, -- Habst ( talk) 20:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Great respect back atcha @ Habst :) but reliability has nothing do with churnalism. Other than the BBC article, all they say about WRA other than they dispute Cook's claim is that the WRA is "a group made up of seven athletes who have successfully circumnavigated the world on foot" or similar. That's not in-depth coverage. S0091 ( talk) 21:03, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ S0091, thanks, I hear your concern so I tried to look for mentions before the April 8th event. I found many, see this web search:
I don't think that these are all churnalism, and as that's a subjective term it's difficult to prove one way or the other. Furthermore, I don't think that an article needs to specifically say "WRA is..." by name for portions of the article to contribute to notability; members or components of the group may be discussed as well. Thanks, -- Habst ( talk) 12:50, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
As with the Independent and Sky News articles the WRA in these examples is only really being mentioned in passing due to an association with a notable event which are the actual focus of the articles.
These all seem like examples of WP:INHERITORG
An organization is not notable merely because a notable person or event was associated with it
Even the BBC article is in fact largely covering the pursuits of Olsen and the World Running Club - an entity which is not actually equivalent to WRA and was created almost a year before the WRA was founded. The WRA is only discussed over two sentences in the BBC article. That article is evidence for the notability of the WRC, not the WRA:
A corporation is not notable merely because it owns notable subsidiaries
Perhaps as a compromise the WRA (or maybe more justifiably the World Running Club) could be merged with Olsen’s Wikipedia page until further evidence can be found for notability? Jaa.eem ( talk) 15:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Jaa.eem, a common theme in this discussion is that WRA is mentioned in a wide variety of sources, but there are concerns about depth. Could we not apply the combining principle, If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability? This is stated in WP:BASIC for people but surely the principle applies just as well in this situation. For an organization that is so widely covered in so many WP:RSP reliable sources, the more I research this topic the more I think we would be making a mistake to delete that may be biased by the behavior of COI editors. Thank you, -- Habst ( talk) 17:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
WP:NORG explicitly states that an organisation must have multiple sources providing significant coverage. In fact, it also explicitly states that “A collection of multiple trivial sources does not become significant.”
WP:BASIC plainly cannot be applied as suggested. Jaa.eem ( talk) 18:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Eh...as the nom, I am not stuck on using the NCORP sourcing criteria given the crossover of org/sports/club but certainly WP:BASIC does not apply. I think GNG makes enough sense which requires WP:SIGCOV by multiple sources. Either way, I think the three of us need to step back so others can opine. S0091 ( talk) 18:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I don’t think it should be controversial to utilise WP:NORG.
Scanning a bit deeper into the guidelines there is also a section specifics for NGOs which describes the WRA by their own admission: Wikipedia:NGO
This also states that multiple significant sources are required. Jaa.eem ( talk) 19:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Which specific aspect of Wikipedia:Notability (sports) is relevant here? It’s very possible that I’ve missed it but those guidelines do not appear to provide any specific guidance for organisations claiming to be a governing body. The “basic criteria” appears to be in relation to sports people rather than organisations.
Furthermore, the Independent and Sky News articles you have linked provide only trivial coverage of the WRA itself - they are instead focussed on Russ Cook and comments made by individuals who are members of the WRA regarding Russ Cook. Jaa.eem ( talk) 22:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Jaa.eem, given that the lede of NSPORT specifically mentions sports organizations, I think it is worth considering the policy as a whole. Because there isn't any specific section for a governing body, I would try to apply the "spirit" of WP:SPORTBASIC, even though it is about people, in lieu of more specific criteria. SPORTBASIC prong 5 says that if there is at least one non-database source, which we can agree that the BBC article is, then "there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article". I'm open to other ideas, but in my review of the material I am having a hard time being comfortable with a delete decision here in light of the breadth of coverage. Thanks, -- Habst ( talk) 00:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Habst WP:SPORTBASIC is specific to people. The section of NSPORT that covers organizations relevant to clubs, WP:NTEAM, states: This guideline does not provide any general criteria for the presumed notability of sports teams and clubs. Some sports have specific criteria. Otherwise, teams and clubs are expected to demonstrate notability by the general notability guideline.
Since notability is not inherited, the notability of an athlete does not imply the notability of a team or club, or vice versa.
The BBC article describes WRA as a club, though they frame it as a travel club, so I think GNG is the relevant guideline. S0091 ( talk) 14:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I agree with this @ Habst
My read of WP:SPORTBASIC is that it is intended to reduce the burden of evidence of notability for individual people which I think is justifiable - I would suggest that a sportsperson on the borderline of genuine notability (putting aside Wikipedia’s guidelines for a moment) is less likely to have comprehensive secondary sourcing available and thus reducing the burden of evidence makes sense. Conversely I would suggest that a genuinely notable “international governing body” would realistically have substantial coverage and thus reducing the burden of evidence purely by virtue of being related to sport cannot be justified.
Furthermore, as @ S0091 says WP:NSPORT does provide guidance for clubs which I think is a much closer analogue to this example than an individual sports person. Jaa.eem ( talk) 15:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Jaa.eem and @ S0091, thanks for your thoughtful responses. The reason why I went to WP:NSPORT is because it's the most specific guideline I could find that includes the subject. If I were to describe WRA, I would say it's a "sports organization" and that phrase appears exactly in the lede of NSPORT but not any other guideline.
The WP:NTEAM section, on the other hand, doesn't seem to apply because I would struggle to call the WRA a team (it doesn't compete against other "teams", for example) nor is it a "club" in the European sense of the word intended there, a sports club.
I agree that "international governing body" is also a good descriptor, and I think that we should have high standards for notability when there's already a competing governing body so as not to place WP:UNDUE weight on one over the other. But in this case for the specific niche of the organization (running across continents), there doesn't seem to be any competing body setting standards, so I don't think we would be falling in to that trap. What do you think? -- Habst ( talk) 17:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I think that given the lack of specificity in WP:NSPORT it would be better to fall back to WP:NORG.
There is a substantial difference in the scope of a organisation which competes within a sport vs an “international governing body” of a sport. If a sports team should meet GNG surely a governing body shouldn’t be subject to more lax guidelines?
Also, with regards to the issue of undue weight I would suggest that a high standards of notability should be applied regardless. The status of “international governing body” effectively confers a level of ownership over a sport thus I think there should be a high level of confidence that such a status is widely agreed upon. Jaa.eem ( talk) 18:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: Subject is discussed at length in numerous notable sources.-- 2601:345:0:52A0:E165:4C72:14FB:3B9A ( talk) 23:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Which sources discuss the subject at length beyond the previously cited BBC article? Jaa.eem ( talk) 00:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Even the BBC article doesn't discuss the WRA at length. It mentions it once in the context of the World Runners Club, a related but different organisation. Cortador ( talk) 21:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. There is insufficient sourcing, no in-depth coverage, and the article created as an ad. Cortador ( talk) 21:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Sources don't establish notability Dexxtrall ( talk) 11:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Proposed WP:ATD: Redirect and merge some details into List of pedestrian circumnavigators as a governing authority for the running circumnavigations. -- Habst ( talk) 16:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm fine with a redirect, though I think "governing authority" might be a stretch but that's a content issue. Pinging others: @ Jaa.eem, @ Cortador, @ Dexxtrall, what you think about redirecting? S0091 ( talk) 18:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Agree that the World Runners Association aren't a governing authority, and would be reluctant about a merge if it winds up suggesting that they are. Redirect is fine though, and not entirely opposed to some content being merged if done appropriately ~~~ Dexxtrall ( talk) 19:49, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Not opposed to a redirect, though I agree about the content concerns. Jaa.eem ( talk) 15:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak keep: Even with the paltry sources, there are just too many of them to ignore. [5] seems to be a RS, it talks about the one individual but always mentioning the WRA. There are about a dozen stories that discuss him and the WRA is mentioned, we should have enough for at least BASIC here. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Also a brief paragraph in this German book [6], my German is rusty but a Google translate upload of the image talks about the club existing since 2014. I think we have just enough to build an article. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    That’s a single mention in a self-published book.
    There doesn’t appear to be a single source providing significant coverage of the subject - they’re all largely passing mentions in articles about other notable events/people.
    I think @ Habst’s suggestion of a redirect is justified given the number of mentions but there’s not enough information from secondary sources to justify a full article. Jaa.eem ( talk) 22:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Oaktree b BASIC only applies to people, not entities or other topics. The source you linked to is not about WRA and is only a couple mentions. S0091 ( talk) 19:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Barely at GNG then with minimal coverage, but enough of it. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    As for the German source, what else does is say about WRA? I only see a sentence. S0091 ( talk) 19:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge to List of pedestrian circumnavigators: All the sources are about the "World Runners Association is contesting..." or "claiming..." something about Russ Cook. A BBC article writes about how the World Runners Club came to be, mentioning the World Runners Association in one paragraph. Is there anything specifically about the World Runners Association? I don't think so. A lack of significant coverage. Cooper ( talk) 23:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Sports broadcasting contracts in Thailand

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. I also advise Fandom for them if they want to save it so much. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 08:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: No opinion on the page in its current format, which does seem to be WP:LISTCRUFT, but it's a notable topic with potential for a valid article, especially given the long-standing legal and political issues surrounding broadcasting rights for major sporting events (mostly football) since 2012, which have been widely covered. [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] If the page does get deleted it should be without prejudice to the creation of a proper article. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 11:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep based on sources found. Deletion is not cleanup. Esolo5002 ( talk) 15:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Fails NLIST no indication this has been discussed as a group, meets LISTCRUFT, there is nothing encyclopedic here.  //  Timothy ::  talk  22:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Sports broadcasting contracts in Canada

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  • Delete Fails NLIST no indication this has been discussed as a group, meets LISTCRUFT, there is nothing encyclopedic here.  //  Timothy ::  talk  22:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Dominica at the 2002 Commonwealth Games

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Previously subject of a contested PROD. No secondary sources. Zero useful content. Previous consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominica at the 2010 Commonwealth Games was that these articles are not useful, particularly if they lack substantive content.

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  • Redirect all to 2002 Commonwealth Games. Athletes need to win a medal for their participation in an event to become notable - seems most reasonable to apply that to countries as well. BrigadierG ( talk) 18:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I disagree with making that a blanket rule, but many of these countries that send a small number of participants won't generate coverage to pass WP:GNG. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Thank you for notifying me. As I'm not sure what they could be replaced with if deleted, I would favour completing those articles rather than deleting them (and subsequently re-creating them with proper content). Either that, or put into Dominica at the Commonwealth Games (etc) the content that they should have, and turn them into a redirect. Aridd ( talk) 16:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • AusLondonder, did you add these additional articles to this nomination or did someone else? Whomever did it, please move this list of articles to the top of the AFD, above any comments, so that XFDcloser will see them as being part of this AFD nomination. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 08:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Liz: Thanks, will do. They were towards the top before, appears someone accidentally commented above them. AusLondonder ( talk) 09:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    AusLondonder, nicely done. Thank you. XFDcloser can be a little fussy. Liz Read! Talk! 02:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect all to "X at the Commonwealth Games" (where X is country name). Not enough coverage for separate articles, but they look to have 2002 mentioned in their parent articles. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge all with prejudice to Anguilla at the Commonwealth Games, Antigua and Barbuda at the Commonwealth Games etc. XX at XX CG are often barebones article, almost templates, with no hope whatsoever for expansion to actual articles. The sensible solution is to merge on sight with the appropriate country pages. Geschichte ( talk) 08:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I'm not sure a redirect is necessary. The Montserrat page, for example, was averaging views in the single digits per month, not even statistically significant. Most internal links are via templates such as Template:Associations at the 2002 Commonwealth Games. I also don't particularly see how a redirect here fulfils the criteria at WP:RPURPOSE. Also taking a look at the template Associations at the 2002 Commonwealth Games about half the template are redlinks. Finally, the redirects are not plausible search terms. AusLondonder ( talk) 09:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • As a native of the island mentioned in this AFD discussion title (obvious disclosure), merge and source into Dominica at the Commonwealth Games (as an example). (If possible--for completion's sake--we may as well actually mention the names of the six athletes who participated back then.) -- Slgrandson ( How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 17:46, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merging just 2002 to the parent articles when no other years, even more successful years, are mentioned, doesn't seem like appropriate balance. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 01:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect all to 2002 Commonwealth Games. Little chance any coverage exists to satisfy GNG individually. JoelleJay ( talk) 01:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Dubee

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Colton Eastman

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Non-notable baseball player. Majority of cited sources are transaction logs and other WP:ROUTINE coverage that does not establish WP:GNG. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 22:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Connor Lunn

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 14:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Statue of Roberto Clemente (Louisville, Kentucky)

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Not a notable statue. And I don't know how relevant this is but the location is also not significant to the baseball player who is depicted. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 10:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep, a prominent artwork in the Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory museum's statue gallery, this statue is only one of two of Clemente on Wikipedia. I'm not understanding why it should be deleted, although it's a stub that could be expanded with text and a photograph the statue depicts one of America's most famous and honored baseball players and humanitarians. Randy Kryn ( talk) 11:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • delete unless some actual content can be scraped together in which case it might just merit a merge, either to the man or the museum. TheLongTone ( talk) 15:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge and redirect. This subject is reasonably notable per sources provided in the article and its talk page, but the question here really is whether there will ever be enough content to ever stretch this beyond a tiny stub. Coverage of this subject in Legacy of Roberto Clemente or Roberto Clemente should suffice. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 17:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Merge and redirect I found several local sources covering the unveiling of the statue at the museum, but they all basically say the same thing about a routine ceremony for a routine statue (this museum has seven of them in its gallery) about an extraordinary man. Without further WP:LASTING coverage, I don't think we need an article so say that so-and-so attended this event when Legacy of Roberto Clemente and Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory can cover the museum's exhibits and collection and his various forms of recognition. There are many other local news pieces about the museum's other exhibits, awards, artifacts, and events; this being a statue doesn't mean it can't still be covered in the main articles. The fame of the subject and the number of statues there are of him is not relevant to whether this particular one needs a stand-alone article. ( Reywas92) ( talk)
    • @ Reywas92, if it has to be merged, would prefer a merge and redirect to Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory. Clemente has many, many statues of him in hundreds of locations and I don't think - I'm sure you would agree - every statue of Clemente merits a mention in the main articles. There are a few mentioned in the article which are relevant to Clemente's legacy or if he has a personal to the place. The obvious one, of course, is Pittsburgh.
  • There are hundreds of statues of Roberto Clemente? Where? There is this one in the museum of the Louisville Slugger bat manufacturer and there is one in Pittsburgh. Having articles about these two prominent statues are not overwhelming Wikipedia servers and should be kept. Randy Kryn ( talk) 12:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
That's a WP:EVERYTHING argument "Wikipedia has space for it", not based on policy. I think Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory would be the better merge/redirect target, though Legacy of Roberto Clemente should also mention it. I don't think the statue is even that "prominent", it's just one of seven similar ones inside the museum, with no coverage beyond the museum's unveiling event. Not that any public art is automatically notable, but larger ones outdoors are at least sometimes included in various guides as visible local landmarks or don't always have obvious redirect targets like parts of a museum's exhibits. Reywas92 Talk 21:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
To answer Randy's question: according to the Society of American Baseball Research, Clemente has more statues and memorials than anyone in sports other than Pele, the great football player. There are several in Puerto Rico and numerous on mainland United States. Here is the link if you're interested.
But I would say the statue outside the PNC Park, the stadium of the only MLB team he played for, in the American city with which he is most associated with, is a far more prominent than one of seven statues in a museum located in a city where he - as far as I can tell - never set foot in. It is not uncommon for museums to have a statue series. The Baseball Hall of Fame have quite a few statues in its building as well, including one of Clemente (which itself is part of one statue, alongside Jackie Robinson and Lou Gehrig).
And to clarify to @ Reywas92: the statue's mention can be added manually of course and I will do so. What I meant was that the article redirect itself should be to the Museum's page. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 20:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Thanks for the good research. Since there are only eight statues I don't understand why articles about them should be deleted (a merge is a delete's twin). There are multiple articles on Wikipedia about statues of the same individual, some of America's founders among them. People have put up eight statues of Roberto Clemente because he deserves much honor and respect. Maybe if there were hundreds of statues, an article on each one might be an overload. But since there are only eight, and other individuals have many more than that, the only reason I can see merging is if an article is written about the bat museum's notable statue gallery (and not just about the museum in general). Keeping this stand-alone page also maintains two major Wikipedia collections: Baseball, and statues (a major part of Wikipedia's visual art collection). Randy Kryn ( talk) 03:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I've given the statue collection its own section; these aren't a single exhibit or gallery. Expansion is welcome there but a separate article just for that is unnecessary. But this can cover the baseball and art "collections", without the need for individual standalone pages for individual items. I've also expanded Legacy of Roberto Clemente to describe this honor and respect. Reywas92 Talk 14:08, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ernesto Wong

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Fails WP:GNG. Non-notable baseball career with no statistics, and no coverage outside playing city (Turin). 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 19:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Weak keep the obituaries were published by several news outlets: TorinoToday, Repubblica, RaiNews, La Stampa, Corriere. It seems enough to justify GNG, but I found very little pre-death coverage. Broc ( talk) 06:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment Sources above basically parrot each other in eulogizing him and mentioning that a relative plays for the Texas Rangers. There's nothing about Wong's career while he never played in a top-flight league. It's not enough to even establish WP:SPORTCRIT. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 21:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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John O'Reilly (baseball)

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Non-notable baseball player, fails WP:GNG. This is all the coverage I have found of him and it would fail WP:BLP1E. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 14:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Major Street-basketball Foundation

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Fails the notability guideline for organisations. Close to G11-worthy. I'm stunned this article has managed to stick around in this state since 2006 and even gets a link in Index of Australia-related articles. Only bringing to AfD since it does get a paragraph in the Sydney Morning Herald The only other sources I found were short pieces in local newspapers that fail WP:AUD. I'm happy to email full text to anyone who is interested, but they really weren't adequate. – Tera tix ₵ 03:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of career achievements by Russell Westbrook

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Another collection of indiscriminate trivia, which falls into WP:NOTSTATS. Let'srun ( talk) 17:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of career achievements by Dennis Rodman

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Another WP:NOTSTATS violation featuring indiscriminate trivia. Let'srun ( talk) 00:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of career achievements by Kevin Garnett

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This is a WP:NOTSTATS violation, which has also been tagged for verification since 2011. Let'srun ( talk) 00:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

2018 Caloocan Supremos season

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of notability under SNG or GNG. The SNG explicitly says that these are not presumed notable and thus require GNG sources. Misses that by several levels. The one source that the article has is about the league. "Stats" only article also relates to wp:not. Tagged for sources since January. Previously deleted. North8000 ( talk) 15:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Comment: Have you noticed that all the teams from 2018 have season entries? Geschichte ( talk) 16:32, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
No, but now I looked....at just the ones in the NPP que. It is then further multiplied by articles on pairs of those teams. Titled as rivalry articles, where (per a quick preliminary look) the sources don't describe them as rivalries. North8000 ( talk) 20:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment as it stands, fails GNG on its face, but I'm not sure how to conduct a BEFORE search for this. SportingFlyer T· C 17:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
IMO the ones excluded by the SNG have a near-zero chance of having GNG level sources. North8000 ( talk) 19:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Perth Corporate Rumble

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Primarily worked on by a single purpose editor. Only 1 article links to this. Full of non notable participants and just a results listing. Only coverage seems to be in Perthnow. but fails WP:SPORTSEVENT. LibStar ( talk) 03:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Atta Soja

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Does not pass WP:NBOX or GNG. Sources are database entries, press release with the same images, paid articles posted without bylines etc., Jeraxmoira🐉 ( talk) 09:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Artur Khachatryan

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Boxer whose only reference is a database entry. There is a draft for a diplomat, Draft: Artur Khachatryan, which will otherwise require disambiguation. The need for disambiguation is not a reason to delete, but the lack of sports notability is Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:16, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Fails to meet WP:NBOX, WP:ANYBIO, or WP:GNG. The AIBA database entry shows he had 4 wins and 5 losses in his short career. His bronze medal at the European championships qualified him for the 2011 world championships where he lost his first fight (in the round of 64). I saw no significant independent coverage of him and no indication of meeting any WP notability criteria. Papaursa ( talk) 14:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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West Coast Cricket Association

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Does not meet GNG or WP:NORG. Sources in article are all primary or passing mentions. Search for additional sources did not uncover any WP:SIGCOV. Triptothecottage ( talk) 23:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Kagiso Mohale

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Poorly sourced cricketer BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Ineligible for PROD. No suitable redirect exists AFAIK. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep - it appears the Cricinfo spelling of his first name is incorrect, on CricketArchive as Kagisho Mohale and a search of that name shows up more coverage. This, that and a Diamond Fields Advertiser piece found on Newsbank re his promotion to the Knights franchise as starters. 100 FC/LA/T20 appearances represents decent amount of cricket notabilìty. JP ( Talk) 18:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Thank you for pointing this out. While I don't think the first two sources contribute much (three-ish sentences of coverage and an interview), the third one is much more promising and an indication that there might more coverage out there to meet GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Spelling of his name differs between sources, but certainly WP:GNG passing coverage that JP has found. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Beyond what has been found, this should perhaps dictate logic should be used – if a cricketer makes this many appearances at the highest level, then they're probably notable. AA ( talk) 21:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

2024 Sindh Premier League

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NEVENT. The tournament doesn't have official status with no lasting effect. RoboCric Let's chat 05:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Abdul Ameer

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This guy fails both WP:GNG and WP:NCRICKET. A search seems to only one article with his name in it and it only covers him tangentially. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 23:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Phumza Mntungwa

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African cricketer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Sihle Magongoma

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African cricketer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Kyle Brazell

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian cricketer player, to meet WP:GNG. The closest to WP:SIGCOV that I found were 1 and 2, both from the same publication. JTtheOG ( talk) 04:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak keep I'd say there's enough in those sources to keep the article for now, given the player has only debuted this season as there will likely be more coverage in the coming future. Wouldn't be against draftifying, but also a suitable redirect at List of South Australian representative cricketers also, so two suitable WP:ATDs. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 08:57, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I think 1 and 2 are something which cover independently about the subject, plus there are other refs in the article. These can be considered as enough, since the player debuted just in this season, more coverage is likely to come in future if he continues playing. In terms of SNGs, it meets WP:NCRIC as well. RoboCric Let's chat 05:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • The South Australian Cricket Association and Cricket Australia are not independent of the subject. The former directly administers the South Australia cricket team that he plays on, and is affiliated with the latter. Given his young age, I support draftification as an ATD, as well as the redirect suggested by Rugbyfan22. JTtheOG ( talk) 05:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
      Although, they cover directly about the subject, the problem is that those are primary sources. Those contain useful information, so I linked those. However, apart from these two, I guess this is a secondary source which discusses about the topic, his education qualification and also his performance. I just wanted to say that since he debuted in this season, all these can be considered enough for a keep. Anyway, if the consensus reached by other editors is not to keep it, then I'll agree with a redirect. Thanks. RoboCric Let's chat 11:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Draftify, not enough independent secondary material to meet GNG but there may be in the near future.
    Redirect. JoelleJay ( talk) 15:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Inclined to agree with Rugbyfan22 on this one. AA ( talk) 22:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Either keep or redirect to the list of SA cricketers. Drafting this serves zero benefit really - it'll just end up getting deleted as no one will remember the draft is there. If there's not enough coverage for now then redirecting is the normal response in situations such as this - much easier to reverse a redirect and restore the page before adding the additional sources that are likely to appear if he continues to play. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 08:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  •  Comment: To better summarize the sources in question, there are a couple sentences of coverage here, though it's mostly quotes, and four-ish sentences of coverage here. Both are from The Advertiser so they should be counted as one source. JTtheOG ( talk) 04:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Stages Cycling

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Article does not assert notability, therefore fail WP:NCORP - the only ones i can find is reports of mass layoffs and reported bankruptcy. Sources in the body text are hardly what you call reliable third party sources. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 21:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Max Wirth (cyclist)

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lugnuts stub. fails notability guidelines for cyclists. ltb d l ( talk) 09:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • According to the German Wikipedia, he was a Swiss national champion in cycling and there's several offline sources which are referenced. Those should be checked, and also one should check Swiss newspaper archives, as it seems quite likely a nation's national cycling champion would be covered there. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm not sure if the Swiss Cycling Association is independent though? Let'srun ( talk) 12:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Hmmm... true. I was also just able to find what appears to be an online Swiss newspaper archive -- see here. I can't figure out how to get it to work, though... BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I narrowed down the search for you: { "Max Wirth" AND (Rad OR Velo)} and a little wither search: { "Max Wirth" AND (Rad* OR Velo*)} Maybe you'll find a good source. I have no time to do the search. 🤾‍♂️  Malo95 ( talk) 19:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Len Bathurst

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WP:HOAX. No player with the surname Bathurst has played in the English Football League since the Second World War (verified via leading stats sites such as Soccerbase and Soccerway, the 2015 edition of the book listed under refs, and a similar player records book published in the 1980s). I also own the Rothmans Football Yearbooks for most of the seasons during his supposed career and none of them show a player of this name playing for the teams he was supposedly a regular with at the time. If this man does exist, he definitely didn't play professional football. -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Comment Seems to have been created by one person, an account with one edit! Not so promising there. We can also ask SmartVandelay who knows about Northampton if a player like this name ever played for them. But if it is indeed a hoax then delete per nom. Govvy ( talk) 07:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - As per nom, no evidence of this player existing. The one thing you can find online about him was almost certainly taken from Wikipedia. Sgubaldo ( talk) 08:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Comment - If it is a hoax, it's one of the oldest extant ones on the platform, having existed for 12 and a half years. Sgubaldo ( talk) 08:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Once it's deleted, I will add it here -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - No mention of Bathurst in Crisp's Crewe Alexandra Match by Match (and I don't recall anyone by that name playing for the Alex in the 1980s). Paul W ( talk) 08:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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Soccer on Canadian television

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Of the sources, they are nothing but news announcements or guides, three of those are primaries and none of them assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 10:03, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Jang Myong-il

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 03:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Robert Capperauld

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Fails GNG. Dougal18 ( talk) 14:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Charles Pickering (footballer)

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AFC moved to mainspace by non-reviewer and is still not yet ready for mainspace. Two of the sources in the reference section are from Facebook. The article also provides little context other than that he was on some teams. Shadow311 ( talk) 13:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Albert Tjåland

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This succumbed to an AFD before, but since then it has been recreated due to "coverage in international media". It happened at a time when the player was looking to be moving up in the football hierarchy, but with all due respect to the player, the career has stagnated, which I think allows us to see the subject in a clearer light. In an encyclopedic sence, Albert Tjåland fails WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:SUSTAINED, WP:TOOSOON, WP:SIRS and as a consequence WP:SPORTCRIT.

  • ABT was a child whom international media took a novelty interest to.
  • His football career has not panned out. He plays on the fourth tier, has never played a league game for a first team, only reaching as far as appearing 6 times on Bryne's bench - as well as playing a cup game for Molde, which for WP:PEACOCK reasons is called "a professional debut". Nothing he has done remotely resembles a significant accomplishment within sport.
  • While there was coverage in many countries, there reports about various accomplishments in children's games lack significance, and was all the more packed with speculation and hot air. A big breakthrough is not currently looming on the horizon, and while it might of course happen one day, we have the too soon guideline for a reason.
  • The press coverage was exclusively motivated by him having a famous relative. Albert and Erling have similar names and likenesses, and joined the same club (Molde) as a youth player. Take the relative out of the equation, and what are you left with? Notability is not inherited from relatives. Geschichte ( talk) 09:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Bader Ahmed Saleh

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 04:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Thyago Moraes

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I cannot find anything online about this football player. I find that strange because usually you would at least find his name on sports info, betting websites and so forth. But nothing.The so-called external links are not helpful either, to say the least. The article was tagged 3 times for speedy deletion. As it is, I propose this article for deletion as an unsourced BLP without evidence of notability Ruud Buitelaar ( talk) 00:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hwang Sang-hoi

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 00:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete: Doesn't meet WP:GNG, nor Wikipedia:Notability (sports). Noorullah ( talk) 00:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Dino Mennillo

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Article fails WP:GNG. Sources are mostly transfer and contractual related and some stuff related to his job as a an Occupational therapist which is not notable. Simione001 ( talk) 00:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

SV Vesta Stadion

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Fails WP:NSTADIUM, fails WP:GNG, no WP:RS available. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hwang Myong-chol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 23:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete, No sources. Samoht27 ( talk) 20:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Choe Mi-gyong

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 23:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Premier League overseas broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 15:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Campeonato Brasileiro Série A broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 15:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

2023–24 PSL Reserve League

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Also per wp:not regarding a stats only article.topic. A stats only article with data on a season of a reserve league. Per SNG these are not presumed notable and require GNG sourcing. Does not have and highly unlikely to exist. North8000 ( talk) 12:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Primeira Liga broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are announcements and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 10:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Football broadcast in India

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List of Scottish Professional Football League broadcasters

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List of Danish Superliga broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, the only source is primary and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 10:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Nino Kochlamazashvili

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Poorly sourced footballer BLP that fails WP:GNG. All that comes up are trivial mentions. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Robert Glen

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The only reference for this stub biography of a footballer is a database entry, so this stub no longer satisfies sports notability and does not satisfy general notability. Draftification will provide six months to find significant coverage.

  • Comment: while I am aware of the changed notability criteria, seems a bit odd to go straight to AfD for a subject like this where the article already existed for some years under the old rules, would it not be more appropriate to tag for verification first, then move up from that if not acted on? It seems very likely this player will appear in the British Newspaper Archive and there are far more 'deserving' nominations from this era than an international player and cup winner? I have added refs that indicate his prominence, but appreciate they would not satisfy SIGCOV. Crowsus ( talk) 02:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Absurd nomination. This player represented his country and won national competitions. If that doesn't satisfy notability then this place is a complete waste of time. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 04:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep - clearly notable. 200 professional appearances in England and Scotland, a Scotland international, there is coverage out there including in Paul Smith's book about Scotland players - silly nomination. Good work by Crowsus and JM on expanding. Giant Snowman 09:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Again the Keeps make n:football arguments despite it being abolished in 2022. I struggled to find coverage of him let alone significant coverage. The book is one source (if that) meaning he fails GNG. Dougal18 ( talk) 11:15, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    "I struggle to find coverage of him" - apart from the 13 refs in the article? Do you really think that a player with 200 professional appearances in 1890s/1900s will not have been mentioned in any newspapers that (shockingly!) don't appear online 130 years later? We have lost all WP:COMMONSENSE if this article is deleted. Giant Snowman 21:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    You mean the refs to stat websites? The refs to mentions in match reports? All of which don't count when it comes to passing GNG. Mentions in newspapers is irrelevant as it is sigcov that is required. Dougal18 ( talk) 09:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Two books about the history of Hibernian FC describing Glen's career and playing style isn't significant coverage? Come off it. You just don't like articles about footballers. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 10:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    The Hibees has 13 hits for Glen. The making of Hibernian has one hit. Those are not sigcov. Dougal18 ( talk) 13:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Coverage in four published books isn't significant coverage? I'm wondering what you would consider that to be. A book about the player himself?!? Demanding that level of coverage would lead to the deletion of the vast majority of biographies on this site. Jmorrison230582 ( talk) 16:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Good to know that a few sentences in a few books is now significant coverage. "Left back Bobby Glen from Renton had several international honours. Strong and clever, he was a favourite of the supporters and was recently at the top of his form." If that is sigcov then GNG should be scrapped. Dougal18 ( talk) 12:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I would strongly agree with User:GiantSnowman's and User:Jmorrison230582's points. I think it would be odd for us not to have an article about a Scotland international who clearly is covered in published sources. Dunarc ( talk) 22:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The article has been updated, clearly notable player, easily passes WP:GNG. Govvy ( talk) 12:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep – The Paul Smith's book It already seemed to be enough for WP:GNG. Svartner ( talk) 16:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Passes WP:GNG, also has fine sources that attribute significant coverage. Noorullah ( talk) 19:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - Responding to Jmorrison230582, the article didn't say that his team won national competitions when I nominated it for deletion, and the nomination was not absurd. Govvy is correct that the article has been updated. Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - Perhaps I should have said that the Heymann criterion was to provide significant coverage in seven days, but perhaps that should be implied. Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Hwang Jin-hyok

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 23:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Silesia national football team

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Silesia is not a country, so it cannot be this. Rename it--but to what? There's no Frisian national football team or Walloon national football team either. Plus, the article is little more than a directory and a list of matches. Drmies ( talk) 21:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak keep, should certainly be trimmed / improved / sourced, whole sections could go, but it seems a bit unfair to single out this team, as it is only one of a long list here, and while I realise it's not a real guide to notability, the fact that it has 9 language versions at least show there's some passing interest beyond its homeland and has some historical significance. It's pretty niche stuff, but a lot of others in that list are too and it may be more logical to start from the most obscure and work up, don't want to insult anyone's region but Seborga national football team looks an example of one with far less merit for inclusion than Silesia.
The name is a topic that's come up previously, particularly relating to the more prominent non-nations like Catalonia. Personally I would have no problem with it being something like 'representative football team' for all of these, but it's been argued that there are quite a few non-sovereign FIFA teams so the word 'national' is really just used to differentiate them from clubs and does not necessarily infer a certain status on the territory in question.
Only other thing is, do Wallonia and Frisia have any sort of combined team that plays matches? That's not meant to be a 'well do they???' question, I'm genuinely not sure, but I couldn't see one on French or Dutch wiki where one might expect to find something snuck away. If they have never had such a team, it's not really fair to compare their non-presence to articles for teams that have demonstrably played matches, even if really long ago and/or at a very low level. Crowsus ( talk) 22:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Football Superleague of Kosovo broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, the only source does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 20:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Ekstraklasa broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are entirely primary, are basically news announcement and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 20:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Argentine Primera División broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are basically news announcement and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 20:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Vilma Abrahamsson

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 11:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete: Fails WP:SPORTCRIT. BlakeIsHereStudios ( talk | contributions) 16:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Belgian Pro League broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 10:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I agree with the premise of the AfD. Also, what a weird list! Hardly any core and almost everything out of scope. Also by SPINOFF/SPINOUT (information governance) logic, the article doesn't fly. gidonb ( talk) 15:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Czech First League broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, not a single source. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 10:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Swiss Super League broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 10:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Indian Super League broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are archived pages of primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 09:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Nemzeti Bajnokság I broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Not a single source in any shape or form. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 09:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of UEFA Europa Conference League broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Contextes are there to claim 'channel x' brought out the right to coverages in 'country x', not to assert notability. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 08:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of UEFA Super Cup broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Contextes are there to claim 'channel x' brought out the right to coverages in 'country x', not to assert notability. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 08:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Algerian Ligue Professionnelle 1 broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Contextes are there to claim 'channel x' brought out the right to voerages in 'country x', not to assert notability. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 08:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Bundesliga broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 08:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of La Liga broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 07:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Serie A broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. No context to assert notability. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 07:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

@ GiantSnowman: At the similar AfD for Copa Sudamericana broadcasters, you !voted Redirect rather than Delete. Do you think a redirect isn't a viable alternative to deletion in this case? IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 13:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I have no opposition to a redirect. Giant Snowman 13:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Serie A#Television rights (a section which could be renamed to "Media coverage"). Absent media coverage about the list as a topic, I agree that I don't think this is a list within Wikipedia's scope that is therefore worth preserving per WP:NOT, but the topic does merit some encyclopedic coverage in the context of Serie A, and it is a reasonable redirect as an alternative to deletion. I do not think there is anything worth merging, though preserving the page history allows an interested editor to do so if they disagree. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 13:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom, not a TV guide. Govvy ( talk) 14:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Süper Lig broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, the only source are nothing but news announcement and does not assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 07:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Indrė Venskevičiūtė

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a Lithuanian women's footballer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:58, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Busch Field

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No refs on the page for many years. Not seeing substantial coverage of the topic in independent reliable sources needed for consideration against the inclusion criteria. JMWt ( talk) 14:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete Agreeing for the reasons listed above, and I would raise the idea of redirecting to Busch Stadium Kingsmasher678 ( talk) 14:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of football clubs in Wallis and Futuna

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No citations, all the blue links are redirects or links to cities/towns on the islands. Yoblyblob ( Talk) :) 02:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Rumen Shankulov

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This article doesn't meet the notability guidelines set down in WP:SPORTCRIT Kingsmasher678 ( talk) 13:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Sorry, submitted by accident this before I was finished writing the reasons. There are no sources outside of trivial stat listings, which are not considered a contribution to notability. Kingsmasher678 ( talk) 13:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Slavcho Boychev

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Per WP:NSPORT, the existence of stat pages is not enough to prove notability. There are no other sources referenced, and nothing shows up in a search for news articles or other sourceable media. This article clearly doesn't meet the notability requirements. Kingsmasher678 ( talk) 14:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Stoyan Todorov

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Does not meet the notability standards in WP:NSPORT. In addition, no non-trivial sources are provided, and I could not find any. Kingsmasher678 ( talk) 14:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

List of soccer clubs in the Marshall Islands

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The page has a single source, and none of these are legitimate clubs. They are only teams that happened to be registered with that name, and seemingly never operated at any capacity outside of amateur tournaments that took place years ago. Yoblyblob ( Talk) :) 15:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete look like a WP:HOAX. HadesTTW (he/him •  talk) 19:01, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I wouldn't say hoax- there are supporting sources at RSSSF, this is just not notable at all. Yoblyblob ( Talk) :) 19:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I see, I was mistaken. I thought that when you said "legitimate clubs" that you meant they didn't actually exist. HadesTTW (he/him •  talk) 22:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete No, these teams aren't hoaxes, but this sounds more equivalent to your local softball league sponsored by taverns and breweries in the United States more than a group of even semi-pro teams and they're there for fun, not glory. Nate • ( chatter) 20:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete – Or redirect to Football in the Marshall Islands. Football is completely incipient there, just like Niue, FS Micronesia or Palau. Svartner ( talk) 22:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I would consider this as village club teams that do not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Tumbuka Arch ( talk) 11:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete, While these clubs do exist, they are too insignificant for coverage. Samoht27 ( talk) 15:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Jang Kyong-il

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 03:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Hwang Hak-sun

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 03:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Pak Chol-jin

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Article fails WP:GNG. Can only find passing mentions in match reports. Redirect to 2010 World Cup squad. Simione001 ( talk) 03:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Odd one because WP:NFOOTBALL has been removed from WP:NSPORT but according to the discussion at WP:NFOOTBALLNEW, Players who have played in, and managers who have managed in, any Tier 1 International Match as defined by FIFA was once the guideline for notability which this article meets. Orange sticker ( talk) 11:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Orange sticker: - You are basing your keep vote on a failed proposal. WP:NFOOTBALLNEW was rejected. You mustn't make up your own keep/delete criteria. WP:GNG is very clear. Simione001 ( talk) 23:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment not quite, the proposal was to change what was referred to as the current guideline (part I quoted) however all guidelines relating to football seem to have been scrapped for reasons I don't know. Might be a good idea to draftify this and similar stubs until the guidelines are clearer? Orange sticker ( talk) 08:06, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    WP:GNG is the only criteria that applies. Its very clear. Simione001 ( talk) 08:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • @ Simione001: You've nominated over 100 articles in the past few months and they seem to near-exclusively target those from just North Korea - a much underrepresented country whose sources are very difficult to find / use / etc. This systematic destruction of a nation's football history is rather annoying. Why? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Because they are terrible quality articles with next to zero information about the individual. If you actually looked into it, there a quite a few North Korean players which pass WP:GNG so to say this is some kind of systematic destruction of North Korean football is laughable. Simione001 ( talk) 23:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Sylvan Anderton

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sportsperson stub. fails general notability guideline. ltb d l ( talk) 09:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment – The player appears to have a substantial number of appearances for Reading and Chelsea. I think it's a matter of WP:V. Svartner ( talk) 14:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep - clearly notable. Over 200 appearances in England's professional football league (verified by the Neil Brown source in the article sas well as sources like this), while a quick Google search brings up things like this and this which clearly indicate historical (read: offline) coverage. A lazy nomination. Giant Snowman 18:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    are those football cards? ltb d l ( talk) 12:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    ...yes? Giant Snowman 07:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    football cards aren't reliable sources ltb d l ( talk) 11:01, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Has that ever been decided? I'd think if it were by a reputable company it would be reliable. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 23:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    that's crazy ltb d l ( talk) 06:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Football cards being reliable sources made me literally laugh out loud. AusLondonder ( talk) 07:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Why wouldn't a reputable card company be reliable? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 19:01, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    amazing. 10/10. no notes. ltb d l ( talk) 06:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    ? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    At no point have I claimed that football cards are reliable. I was merely suggesting that appearing on football cards - and, if you had bothered to Google him, all the other historical coverage at photo archives etc. - suggests there is coverage out there, which research by others below has supported. Giant Snowman 18:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep With the amount of games he played and the clubs he played for seems good enough, combined with GS sources above and probably much more WP:OFFLINESOURCES, this needs improvement for sure. Govvy ( talk) 18:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep More than 200 professional appearances for teams with deep, deep histories and legacies. This is very obvious. Clearly notable. Anwegmann ( talk) 23:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Fails GNG and lacks SIGCOV. An actual check of the newspapers.com archive finds nothing but mentions in match reports/transfer stories. He went on to play cricket for Bryant Rose Cricket Club and won the raffle four years in a row there but that is trivial stuff. NFOOTBALL has been depreciated since 2022 so any Keeps based on number of games played must be ignored by the closer. He isn't notable either for playing for some "notable" clubs per NOTINHERITED. Dougal18 ( talk) 10:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I frequently see editors citing Wikipedia:But there must be sources! in AfDs for footballers with dozens of international caps. I'd like to see the same standard applied to footballers with "over 200 appearances in England's professional football league". How do football cards indicate offline coverage, @ GiantSnowman:? As Dougal18 points out so far it has not been demonstrated that SIGCOV exists. Robby.is.on ( talk) 11:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Mostly per Dougal18's reasoning. Footballers are not inherently notable - they need to meet WP:GNG. This is clear community consensus. Simply asserting that an individual played for notable teams is not a suitable AfD argument. If nothing can be found in newspaper archives, then he's not notable. Another point is this is little more than an infobox and a pseudo-biography. AusLondonder ( talk) 11:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • There seems to be a decent amount of newspaper coverage, although it is mostly brief-ish: see [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30]. An argument could be made for WP:NBASIC, considering he seemed to have significant amount of appearances for prominent clubs. Not sure if that changes anyone's views: @ Ltbdl, AusLondonder, Dougal18, and Robby.is.on:? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Good research! Giant Snowman 07:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, per Dougal and AusLondoner. Football cards do not contribute to notability at all, and given passing mentions in match reports don't count towards even BASIC for modern players they shouldn't count for old players either. We don't have a single piece of the required IRS SIGCOV, so we have no valid justification for retaining this article. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment He also has a biographical entry in Chelsea The Complete Record: author: Rick Glanvill isbn: 9781909245303 also mentioned in The Little Book of Reading FC - 1920-2008 author: Alan Sedunary isbn: 9781780913711. There maybe more books with biographical information. Govvy ( talk) 13:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Can you tell us what exactly is in those books? Dougal18 ( talk) 14:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Glanvill is Chelsea's official historian, he is not an independent source. JoelleJay ( talk) 19:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Reply @ JoelleJay: That's not correct, nor is it proper to discredit him. Will you do the same for Historians who went to Oxford and Cambridge and write about those subjects? He is a published author and a reputable one at that. Please don't use this argument ever again on any credited club historian. Govvy ( talk) 22:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    He's literally hired by the club to write about club history. Of course he isn't independent. And if a historian is employed by Oxford to write about Oxford history then they aren't independent either. JoelleJay ( talk) 16:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ JoelleJay: Again you really have no idea, the Chelsea book is independent to the club, published by De Coubertin Books deCoubertin Books is a leading independent publisher, which publishes outstanding non-fiction titles predicated on high editorial and production values. We work with some of the biggest names in sport and sportswriting and our books have been nominated for numerous awards. Being hired by a club doesn't make the book published by the club. Also the link provided says he is the club historian, because he is the top of his field in the history for the club, at no time does that post on the Chelsea page say he is hired directly for them. The Reading book is published by Breedon Books Publishing Co Ltd and not Reading Football Club. These are both independent publishers to the clubs. I really don't understand why you feel these are primary sources when they are not remotely so. Govvy ( talk) 21:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Being an employee of the club (He has worked for all Chelsea FC's publications and media since 1993 and is the club's official historian.) means the person has a COI with the club, and this applies to material the person publishes through independent publishers (and obviously anything authored by the club would go through an external publisher; it's not like each club has its own book publishing house; the "Official Biography" of Chelsea that he penned ... for the club is through Headline Publishing Group). We'd consider a book authored by a relative of the subject to be non-independent regardless of where it's published; the same applies here. And what part of "the club's official historian", as recorded on the club's website, makes you think he's not working directly for them.....
    I didn't say anything about primary sources. I said they are non-independent. JoelleJay ( talk) 22:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    This is like arguing that an 'official biographer' of a celebrity should be discredited...nonsense! Giant Snowman 18:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    An official biographer of a celebrity who was hired by that celebrity's talent agency should absolutely be discredited! JoelleJay ( talk) 01:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - Sports cards are reliable sources stat-wise. KatoKungLee ( talk) 17:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep – For the arguments presented so far in the discussion. I see no reason to discredit a club historian, or sports cards, considering that the athlete played in the 50s and 60s. The sources presented by @ Govvy demonstrate credibility. Svartner ( talk) 21:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Credibility of who? Dougal18 ( talk) 14:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    The authors of mentioned books. Svartner ( talk) 15:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    So employees of the football club are somehow exempted from the NSPORT guidance saying Team sites and governing sports bodies are not considered independent of their players if they don't publish directly on the website?
    The sports cards are completely trivial stats coverage. Why would they count? JoelleJay ( talk) 17:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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List of Girabola seasons

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Per WP:NLIST and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. The list of seasons can already be found in the main article Girabola, another duplicate article being unnecessary. Svartner ( talk) 09:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • No, Svartner doesn't advocate deletion of the individual seasons, just the overarching list - which adds exactly nothing to the category. Geschichte ( talk) 16:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Exactly, my question is whether there is a separate list if the main article already includes a list of seasons. Svartner ( talk) 20:38, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Its unneeded. also kind of goes against WP:NOTDIRECTORY. The way the article is made, it may as well just be a category page. Shadow311 ( talk) 19:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The seasons are listed in the template. If no other information is in the list article, it becomes pointless. Dream Focus 23:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep and expand/improve, in-line with List of Premier League seasons etc. This is Morocco's Angola's top football competition. Giant Snowman 18:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment (I am at abstained vote here.) This list could be more useful if done right. As GS pointed out we do have them. And @ GiantSnowman: this is the Angolan league, not the Moroccan! :/ Govvy ( talk) 19:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Sorry, getting Girabola mixed up with Botola! Giant Snowman 20:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete without prejudice - at the moment this is a duplicative, unnecessary article, but there's the potential for a better article here if someone wants to create something more detailed. SportingFlyer T· C 20:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Svartner, Shadow311, Dream Focus, Govvy, and SportingFlyer: I have started the process of converting into a proper list a la List of Premier League seasons, just need someone with time and knowledge to help... Giant Snowman 20:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Using RSSSF which lists all the champs... Giant Snowman 20:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    ...and I've just noticed has pages for every individual season, such as 1979, 1980 etc. As such, if you still don't want to keep, please agree to draftify so I can work on it. Giant Snowman 20:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    No problem with draftification, but I do hope it's more comprehensive than just what's on the Girabola page. SportingFlyer T· C 15:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    ...which it would be if you check my edits to this article... Giant Snowman 20:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    There is a big difference between the Premier League and the Angolan championship. The list of seasons is duplicated, as it is also included in the main article Girabola. Svartner ( talk) 00:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Girabola#Girabola_participation_details list all the information doesn't it? Dream Focus 02:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    That section is absolutely incomprehensible! I have deleted. Giant Snowman 20:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I'm with GiantSnowman here. This article needs work, but that is not a reason for deletion, especially if it not an obvious WP:TNT. This article has a lot of potential à la List of Premier League seasons, so it's not a TNT. Anwegmann ( talk) 23:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Estádio Arena do Município Verde

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Fails WP:GNG, notability is not inherited per WP:NARENA and WP:NBUILDING. Nagol0929 ( talk) 12:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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2020–21 Deportivo de La Coruña season

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Not playing in professional division, does not appear to meet WP:SIGCOV under WP:GNG. Already deleted for same reasons in 2020. Crowsus ( talk) 15:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep – Even though they are in a lower division in the season in question, Deportivo La Coruña's notability is undoubted. Svartner ( talk) 18:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete as per last AFD. Giant Snowman 20:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I agree with Svartner. Continuity in the coverage of a historically professional team is important in an encyclopedia. Anwegmann ( talk) 21:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Even know they are a notable club doesn't mean their seasons qualify under the SNG WP:NSEASONS, they are too far down the ladder now. So delete per notability on the season. Govvy ( talk) 21:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep - This season is very notable because of the nature of it and the circumstances regarding the club at this time, as it entered a new era. - Cr7s 190.153.84.93 ( talk) 02:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 04:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Golf Australia Magazine

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No indication this meets WP:GNG. Sources provided are primary/promotional in nature. Most substantial source I have been able to locate is this brief fluff interview with the editor. Triptothecottage ( talk) 04:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. I have performed some searches earlier with the same result. It is very strange that one of the few remaining golf magazines in a large country does not appear to generate much in terms of independent sources describing it (I even checked press in the National Library). -- Викидим ( talk) 00:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Matt Iacopelli

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 19:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: American Hockey League player - you don't get much higher than that within ice hockey. Probably the third best league in the world. The nomination is not the third best in the world, though, it consists of a single word (plus one capital-letter abbreviation) which doesn't cast any light on the state of the article or its sourcing. Geschichte ( talk) 21:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I am finding coverage, as might be expected for a USHL First Team All Star, even if his pro career hasn't amounted to much. Rlendog ( talk) 15:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Rlendog. The Kip 17:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per expansion, and per the nomination rationale, which is unfulfilling to put it that way. Geschichte ( talk) 20:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Liverpool Privateers

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Fails WP:GNG. Unlikely to become notable, if the team is defunct. Unsourced (though I know that's probably fixable). Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 11:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

St Andrews Typhoons

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Lacking in-depth secondary source coverage to meet the general notability guideline. Seen at NPP, moved to draftspace to allow for improvement but reverted by creator. AusLondonder ( talk) 18:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I didn't realize I reverted an initial draftspace sending, I was just editing over time. What sort of sources should I add to make more credibility? There's only a few sources (university, BUIHA and the team's website) I found out to use. Should I improve in the drafter before releasing or try to expand on the existing page? Fastfads ( talk) 18:28, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply
They would have to be "significant coverage" to the subject, from secondary sources from multiple reputable media outlets. If such coverage doesn't exist, or consists of simple scores/stats or namedrops, an article cannot be sustained. My vote is to Redirect to the University of St Andrews article if no such sources are proffered. Ravenswing 08:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Hi Fastfads, firstly can I say this nomination is not a reflection on your work. Wikipedia does however have requirements articles must meet to demonstrate suitability for inclusion, most importantly the general notability guideline. Please take a look at the guideline for the kind of sources we require. Thanks, AusLondonder ( talk) 16:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I've done a bit of research into the guidelines (thank you @ AusLondonder and @ Ravenswing for the advice and links - I see that the editorial standards of Wikipedia are higher than what was told to me in school) and spent a lot of time updating the page to what I believe would be above the minimum amount of content to reach the guidelines of general notability - and have found quite a bit of new information about the team along the way.
Point #1: One of the main problems was a lack of secondary sources as I was mainly using the main page of the BUIHA and the team's page at phoons.net - I've now done a significant amount of research into the team and have found a ton of new information about the team entirely from secondary sources ranging from the local student newspaper to the national newspapers (BBC). There even is a video from 2014 which was someone's TV reel that gave a ton of information about the team, including interviews with the founders of the club. There's now a lot more secondary sources on there.
Point #2: Relative to other team pages in the BUIHA (and to applications of the guidelines in general), the Typhoons are a strong pick to have their own page. Take, for example, the London Dragons which was originally my template for the start of this article. The entire page is summary, roster, awards, retired numbers and what universities are involved. The sources are all the University page, the website and the BUIHA website. Yet, I agree with Wikipedia's editors that as it remains up, it's a worthy article to keep in place in the history of British ice hockey even if it may need more sources as the note shows. While other pages like Oxford University Ice Hockey Club carries far more history and therefore sources, I find it exceptional to compare a team founded in 2011 to the team page of the most historic ice hockey club in Europe. Despite being founded so recently, they still have a shockingly deep history to the team, which brings me to the next point.
Point #3: The Typhoons are an notable and important subject in British university ice hockey as well as in the University of St Andrews culture and history. When I started this, I figured I'd make another team page to fill one of the missing spots on the BUIHA teams list. Yet thanks to the pressure for secondary sources, I found this team is extremely notable in university life in St Andrews - and has an extremely interesting (albeit tragic history). According to University of St Andrews, there are 11,280 students at the school right now, so there is on record just under 15% of the entire school (1500 people) attending Jonny Wookey Memorial Game. While it may not have the historical importance of something like Ice Hockey Varsity Match, attendance that high shows it is a huge event for the students of St Andrews and Scotland as a whole. The only one that seems to even come close in St Andrews would be The Scottish Varsity. Considering the difference in popularity between ice hockey and rugby in Scotland, the fact that the number of people interested is this close is an interesting fact in itself. The game is worth archiving on its own but is especially worth inclusion within the context of a team page that is so important in university ice hockey as they won the championship just 2 years ago.
Point #4: There is still significantly more content to go through. All of the sources I have posted have been from "official" newspapers and sources online, but I have not gone through the years of articles on the experience and history written by the St Andrews student newspaper "The Saint". Even right now on their front page is a new article about the experience at Jonny Wookey this year where they lost. I'm pretty busy right now (I fit in the edits and this piece in a bit of free time) but by Friday I should have a complete page with all secondary sources out there - and a pretty perfect page for Wikipedia if you allow it to stay up.
With all of this, I feel there is plenty of evidence that this article is suitable for conclusion and meets the general notability guideline. Please check out the original article with the new additions. I hope these changes (and new sources) will convince you that this article is worth inclusion. As for me, I'm going to keep working on this page when I have time and I'll be voting Keep for this page. Fastfads ( talk) 20:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect. Sources are exclusively non-independent (websites of BUIHA, Phoons, St Andrews, and St Andrews student newspapers) or fail NOTNEWS (news reports on a missing student). JoelleJay ( talk) 01:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Findlay Warriors

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No evidence of notability, no indepth references about the team, apparently unknown whether they even played a full season, and claims about becoming the Dayton Jets unsourced and unverifiable [39]. Fram ( talk) 11:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I've added references to the page. The claim of them becoming the Dayton Jets comes from the main page Continental Hockey League (1972–1986) though where that was sourced from, or if its even accurate, I don't know. PensRule11385 ( talk) 12:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect: The added references don't support the notability of the subject, and it is very hard even to argue in favor of notability if there aren't even sources verifying the team's record. This should be redirected to the main Continental league article. Ravenswing 12:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - team record was in the Decatur paper. Received decent amount of coverage in it. I’ve looked at it before, but can’t now as newspapers.com is temporarily inaccessible through the Wikipedia Library. -- Hockeyben  (talk -  contribs) 22:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I would be happy to shift my view to keeping if actual sources providing significant coverage are cited. Ravenswing 18:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment: While newspapers.com brings up many fairly WP:Routine mentions: ( [40], [41], [42], [43], [44], [45], [46]), I think it is worth noting that these are all out of town newspapers, and unlikely to report anything in depth on a one year team that was a bottom dweller of the league. I am unable to find a good archive of The Courier (Findlay), which leads me to believe that WP:SIGCOV is likely to exist, but is not easily accessible. But obviously, that assertion on its own doesn't hold much weight, and I'm not willing to definitively say it does. IceBergYYC ( talk) 21:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Martial arts

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List of NX Files characters

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There are no sources covering these characters, let alone as a group. I think its parent article NX Files isn't notable either, so redirecting should not be considered. Neocorelight ( Talk) 14:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Patrik Kincl

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I am renominating this article for a better debate. I think the 1st nomination was not discussed thoroughly enough. The subject is not meeting requirements of English WP notability for MMA fighters ( WP:NMMA). Somehow with low participation on last nomination, the article was kept under the pretext that WP:GNG was met. I disagree. Here's why:

The sources on the article mainly consist of database entries, interviews, subject's personal website and routine fight results. Article about signing his autobiography at a book store and breakdown in negotiations about an OKTAGON promotion title fight. It appears subject authored a self-published autobiography, which does not help the claim of notability. Biography in a Czech sports site, which doesn't appear to be very neutral based on the section titled "Patrik Kincl - the birth of an MMA god”. It seems to be Czech MMA website that has lots of MMA bios, with lack of independent fact checking.

A good faith search on the web also shows these articles not currently on the wiki page (mentioned in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrik Kincl

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The sources do not appear to be reliable and independent sources. No indication of independent fact checking. 

No indication that we have the type of coverage required to meet WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO.

 WP:MMA is definitely off the table which should be reason why the article would be there in the first place. The subject is supposed to be notable for his sporting accolades, but they fail to meet notability guidelines.

As user Papaursa, mentioned in the first nomination, all coverage is very typical sports reporting that can be found for any fighters, which is nothing that shows particular notability. In addition, the use of the subject personal website biography twice and the tone used, in my opinion indicates potential PROMO.
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Tiger Reth

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Not yet notable per WP:NACTOR or WP:NSPORT, all film roles appear to have been minor roles so far. He's been in teams of several performers at the openings of national sports events, but this doesn't bring him over the line for WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Couldn't find any significant secondary coverage of him in English or Khmer, just passing mentions and social media. Declined three times at draft. Wikishovel ( talk) 15:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

hello sir Tiger Reth he is an actor, martial artist he play his role around more than 10 film the international film has 2 ( First they kill my father and jailbreak ) and now he is filming upcoming international film in cambodia( Phnom Penh Ground Zero ), You can check film list in tiger reth page wikipedia.
Thank You. Songha Mao ( talk) 07:05, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete There is no indication of WP notability. He has no major acting roles that would meet WP:NACTOR, no martial arts accomplishments that would meet WP:MANOTE, and lacks the coverage to meet WP:GNG. Database entries, passing mentions, and being part of large performances at Cambodian athletic events (although not a competitor), fail to show significant independent coverage. Papaursa ( talk) 01:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Robert McGee

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I'm usually sympathetic to pages on perpetual students but I couldn't find enough reliable sources for this person besides that he got a bunch of degrees and is a professor. HadesTTW (he/him •  talk) 18:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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2023–24 Porsche Carrera Cup Middle East

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Reviewed during NPP. Stats-only article for a season with no sources other than themselves about a series which doesn't have an article. GNG sourcing of the season per se is unfindable and unlikely to exist. The series itself would probably be a good topic for an article. But there is nothing here to move to it. North8000 ( talk) 13:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

First to reinforce, this article is not about the series, it's stats for 1 season of the series. There is no article for the series. On your question, I'm never sure that something doesn't exist but I looked and couldn't find any real coverage of the season, much less GNG coverage. North8000 ( talk) 00:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Kenji Tohira

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A Japanese racing driver. Page fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Doesn't have much beyond when he was born and died, and some scores. BlakeIsHereStudios ( talk | contributions) 18:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment: The page on Japanese Wikipedia appears to be more in depth and has more sources than the page here currently has. I was initially going to withdraw this nomination but I think even with those sources the page still doesn't qualify for WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:GNG. Duke of New Gwynedd ( talk | contrib.) 18:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Is dailysportscar a good source? If you take his name in Japanese and search for it in Google Books and Google News a bunch of results pop up. Dude was born in 1941 so there is probably more coverage of him on paper than digitally. as-web.jp is also a good in-depth source. Polygnotus ( talk) 19:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep good sources on the Japanese article as noted above. Also [47] Odd that this was nominated the day after his death, but from his obituary in Chunichi Shimbun: "1960年代後半から高橋国光さんらとビッグレースに参戦。スカイライン2000GT－Rで通算4勝を挙げ、フェアレディ240Zで日本グランプリを連覇（71、72年）。90年代にはN1耐久シリーズや全日本GT選手権にも参戦した。" Lots of other obituaries in outlets in Japan (from what I can dig up on noticeboards, it appears obituaries in national publications count towards notability?) including this particularly indepth one. Here's a piece from 芸文社 [ ja discussing his car in the 80s. It appears there's a feature on him in the 2022 issue of RacingOn magazine. Another piece from 2019. Agree with Polygnotus that there's likely a lot of coverage that has not been digitized since Japan is only now partially undergoing digital transformation. DCsansei ( talk) 10:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Katsunori Iketani

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fails general notability guideline. current sources in article are databases. search only finds other databases and this, which spells his name 2 different ways...? ltb d l ( talk) 07:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Weak keep Weak because article creator or editors could've done more such as add results rather than leave it a single sentence stub article. Japanese Wikipedia hints that he may was a driver of a national level but like this, does not provide context too. Digging further, looking at his result database on JAF ( source), he may as well pass criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT as he had some sucesses in top level national racing. A selection of highlights in his career as below.
SpacedFarmer ( talk) 10:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Yet the Japanese article has the same sources as the English one – the article can't be kept on race results alone, there needs to be some independent, substantive coverage. 5225C ( talk •  contributions) 02:28, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The whole point of having subject-specific guidelines is that verifying that a subject meets that criteria means that their article is kept. In this case, I agree with SpacedFarmer that he meets criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. He also meets criteria 2 since he completed the 1988 season of the World Sportscar Championship (by which point the series was a professional racing series). Therefore, I also !vote keep on this article. DCsansei ( talk) 11:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
No, that is absolutely not the purpose of SNGs ( WP:SNG). SNGs are indicators of when a subject is likely to be notable. Articles still need to meet the GNG: if there are no usable sources, there cannot be an article. 5225C ( talk •  contributions) 11:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
From the guideline you cite: "topics which pass an SNG are presumed to merit an article". Unless you've done a review of Japanese motorsports print coverage from the 80s and 90s, I don't think we've established that "adequate sourcing or significant coverage cannot be found" to overrule the SNG. DCsansei ( talk) 11:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
You don't prove a negative. We're at AfD, it's on the keep !voters to present sources. 5225C ( talk •  contributions) 11:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
We seem to have a different definition of presumed. I define it as meaning that we assume something to be true, meaning that if a subject verifiably passes an SNG, we assume that they merit an article. Per WP:SNG: "The subject-specific notability guidelines generally include verifiable criteria about a topic which show that appropriate sourcing likely exists for that topic" and "topics which pass an SNG are presumed to merit an article, though articles which pass an SNG or the GNG may still be deleted or merged into another article, especially if adequate sourcing or significant coverage cannot be found."
Generally, in a AfD, the onus would be on keep !voters. Given the presumption of notability if a subject passes an SNG, that onus is reversed when that becomes the case per WP:SNG. DCsansei ( talk) 12:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Ok. I can't find any sources whatsoever. Feel free to present evidence to the contrary, but as I cannot be reasonably expected to provide evidence of an absence, we will have to presume that is a fact for now. 5225C ( talk •  contributions) 12:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
On the contrary, unless you're stating you've comprehensively reviewed print sources from the 80s/90s and were unable to find significant coverage, we'll have to presume that the subject is notable per WP:SNG. DCsansei ( talk) 13:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Indeed I have. What a tragedy, Iketani's article deleted because nobody could find a source... how could we allow this to happen to somebody so unquestionably notable? 5225C ( talk •  contributions) 13:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per my comment above that he meets criteria 2 and 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. DCsansei ( talk) 11:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete until non-database sources with significant coverage can be presented. While I am sympathetic to the potential of there being offline, likely Japanese-language sources existing, those of us on enwiki who do not speak Japanese should not be burdened with having to find those sources. Until evidence of those sources existing can be found, what exists is purely database in nature. Nothing exists with which to write encyclopedic content in English or Japanese. The subject does not, with the sources available, meet the WP:GNG. The SNG section also says "Therefore, topics which pass an SNG are presumed to merit an article, though articles which pass an SNG ... may still be deleted ..., especially if adequate sourcing or significant coverage cannot be found...." Wikipedia is not a database. ―  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Andre Loader

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 21:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Andre Olwagen

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 21:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Owen Buckley

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an English rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found were transactional announcements ( 1, 2) with a combined five-ish sentences of independent coverage. JTtheOG ( talk) 16:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Shaun Squires

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG. I am unable to find much of anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. Best thing that came up was three sentences here. JTtheOG ( talk) 23:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Jonathan Soares

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Ineligible for PROD. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Harry Bardle

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP; subject made one pro appearance. All I really found was this transactional announcement. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Franco Vermeulen

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Aidan Burrell

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP; subject made one pro appearance. I found a couple sentences of coverage here and not much else. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Challenge Cup semi final

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Apparently I have to use AfD for this: I think this article should be moved to draftspace as it as the potential to be a good article similar to FA Cup semi-finals. However it is currently incomplete, unreferenced, and is not fit for the mainspace. Mn1548 ( talk) 15:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment: This page has been unreferenced since its creation in 2016. It's more likely that, if sent to draft space, it ends up being G13 deleted in 6 months time anyways. I'd prefer the matter of this get addressed here instead of being draftified and deleted in 6 months. Hey man im josh ( talk) 18:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    That is a fair point. Another user has suggested deletion in a previous discussion. My preference is to move article to draft but I'm also not opposed to deletion as article can always be remade at a later date. My main issue with the article currently is not that it is unreferenced but rather is is incomplete in the sense that the list is missing everything from 1898 to 1979. Mn1548 ( talk) 11:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Semi finals are not notable enough for a stand-alone article. I PROD'd this a while ago, but it was contested with an WP:OSE argument (i.e. FA Cup semi-finals exists, so this article should too). Even if the article were improved, I'm not convinced it is notable enough to pass WP:LISTN. J Mo 101 ( talk) 21:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Agree with this point. While I think this article could be made to the standard of the FA Cup article, the reality is football will always have more coverage than rugby league, so finding enough secondary sources might be problematic for it to pass as a stand alone list. Mn1548 ( talk) 18:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Siviwe Mpondo

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. Article was previously nominated in a WP:BUNDLE, which was closed as a procedural keep. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Khalil Rahme

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG. Participation-based SNGs were deprecated in 2022 and BLPs require strong sourcing. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC) I am changing my recommendation to a redirect to 2021 Men's Rugby League World Cup squads#Lebanon. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Mitchell Mamary

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG. Participation-based SNGs were deprecated in 2022 and BLPs require strong sourcing. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Though he his semi pro with international caps, references given don't appear to suggest his career is notable, thus finding refs is unlikely. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • The zealous moves to purge sportspeople whilst other more civilized pursuits skate by with achievement based criteria. Nom fails to explain why deletion is necessary when alternatives exist such as a Redirect to the appropriate section of 2017 Rugby League World Cup squads. duffbeerforme ( talk) 23:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Sourcing does not establish notability. Nothing found on Google either. GMH Melbourne ( talk) 14:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Christo Joubert

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am having a hard time finding anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Stevie Meyer

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Johan Fritz

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a South African rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 21:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Karl Filiga

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His first grade career was a mere 11 minutes in total. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar ( talk) 05:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: Article has several secondary sources, and by the looks of what is written, he went on to have a career in Australia's second tier. Don't think failing in the NRL is sounds to be classEd as not notable. Article could probably be expanded. Mn1548 ( talk) 13:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Mike Parenti

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a French rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The best I could find was this from Treize Mondial, which is only a couple of sentences. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep - pro footballer who played in the Super League, sourced. Fleets ( talk) 07:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Undecided: Playes for Catalans and there should be more written about him. Should be expanded, but currently not sufficient coverage. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Robin Brochon

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a French rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. It's possible I missed something, as Google had a good amount of hits, but really all that came up were interviews ( 1, 2) and post-match quotes ( 1, 2). JTtheOG ( talk) 19:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - Professional footballer who made his Super League debut in 2018, and has made dozens of appearances for another professional club in France. Fleets ( talk) 09:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Fleets, this !vote rationale is invalid, as participation-based athlete criteria were deprecated 2 years ago and the existing requirement that athletes meet GNG was strengthened to require at least one SIGCOV IRS source be cited in the article from the start. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete—Per JT, news items would be the very least to qualify as RSs. Tony (talk) 11:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Coverage is routine or primary/nonindependent in addition to being trivial. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Undecided: Played for Catalans and Toulouse and there should be more written about him. Should be expanded, but currently not sufficient coverage. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Rugby League XIII

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Page has a single reference which is an error 404, context is minimal, and the article is missing anything the team actually did, fails WP:GNG Mn1548 ( talk) 15:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Maxime Jobe

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of the subject, a French rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. No evidence of IRS SIGCOV, which is required to be cited in the article for all sportspeople. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Undecided (leaning keep/move to draft): Young Catalans player and will likely have more coverage later in his career. Should be expanded, but currently not sufficient coverage. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    So you agree that there is not sufficient coverage? JTtheOG ( talk) 22:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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McKenzie Buckley

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an English rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I am also nominating the folllowing article as he is a member of the same team ( St Helens R.F.C.) who also fails to meet WP:SPORTBASIC:

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  • Delete: Doesn't appear as if he is currently playing, one pro aperance isn't sufficient. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete - Only routine coverage aka signings and game reports, WP:SPORTBASIC. Other keep votes here should be discounted for making no mention of source depth. BrigadierG ( talk) 01:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep - Five sources, even if none of them are specific to the subject, and the fact that most other team members have their own articles as well. Flemmish Nietzsche ( talk) 01:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • GNG requires in-depth coverage. Mere mentions in sources do not suffice. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm well aware, but if you want to be strict with that an AFD should be made for George Delaney, Ben Lane (rugby league), and other members of the St. Helens team as many only have passing or list mentions.
    Buckley and others have their only specific mention on the rugby league project website, which isn't very in-depth as you said. Flemmish Nietzsche ( talk) 01:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Yes, yes they should. If you fling 100 non-notable stubs onto Wikipedia, you can't then also defend them from deletion by pointing out that the other 99 still exist. BrigadierG ( talk) 01:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Bundled the two others I mentioned who fall under the same deletion criteria with this AFD. Flemmish Nietzsche ( talk) 01:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Did you do a WP:BEFORE search? Articles should probably be nominated individually anyways, which I was reminded of two days ago. JTtheOG ( talk) 02:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    Yes, though looking at that previous AFD I'll retract the nomination for Delaney for now as he seems to have slightly more content than the other two, though still nothing in-depth. Flemmish Nietzsche ( talk) 02:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    You need to use the additional nominations template or else it messes up the closure process. BrigadierG ( talk) 02:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    It's there right below the initial nomination. Flemmish Nietzsche ( talk) 02:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • For what it's worth, I was also unable to find any coverage of Ben Lane. JTtheOG ( talk) 03:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Procedural Keep for Ben Lane per WP:BUNDLE. Nominating another article after several editors have already commented in this AfD is not appropriate. J Mo 101 ( talk) 12:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. No evidence of meeting SPORTCRIT. The Ben Lane AfD should occur separately but I'd !vote delete there too. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Bastien Scimone

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a French rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. I found plenty of trivial mentions, both in English ( The Yorkshire Post, Sky Sports, Warrington Guardian) and French ( Le Petit Journal, L'Indépendant, La Dépêche), but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - French international rugby league footballer who has played as a professional in the Super League for the Catalans Dragons on a number of occasions. Additionally as per the cited sources has played as a professional for Toulouse Olympique and at international level for France B, as well as the full national side. Fleets ( talk) 14:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply
Have you got any WP:SIGCOV? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep/Move to draft: Young Catalans player, will likely have more written about him in the future. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Josh Maree

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • The quality of the sources has to be addressed. Geschichte ( talk) 06:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirecting to 2021 Men's Rugby League World Cup squads is an WP:ATD. On that page, one will find his club and cap count at the time (I don't know why rugby doesn't put DoB as well, like football squads). @ JTtheOG, note that several other of the Lebanese 2021 World Cup pages are of the exact same build as Josh Maree. Geschichte ( talk) 06:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Played in a team that got to a WC QF, nothing is written about his club career, needs expansion. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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Redirect per above. No evidence of the requisite GNG coverage, merely playing in some league does not meet any notability criterion. JoelleJay ( talk) 01:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an English rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Draftification would be an option, but this is a re-creation of an existing draft. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - Professional rugby league footballer who made his professional debut in 2023, played the other day against fellow top level side Warrington in the Challenge Cup. Multiple sources within the article. Fleets ( talk) 19:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Sources 1 and 2 are stats databases, while the next four are trivial mentions of the subject. BLPs require strong sourcing, which is why I draftified it the first time. JTtheOG ( talk) 20:41, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Currently playing in the top tier with five appearances and will likely gain more. Currently borderline on notability for me but will likely be recreated if deleated. Mn1548 ( talk) 16:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. He might be notable in the future but that would be speculating. Re-create if and when he plays a few more games and more sources are likely to exist. J Mo 101 ( talk) 17:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Sources are exclusively namedrops, zero coverage here. Arguments to keep based only on his appearing in a particular league are strictly invalid per SPORTSBASIC. JoelleJay ( talk) 23:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to List of London Broncos players. Fails GNG as there is no SIGCOV. References are routine coverage and stats databases. Frank Anchor 01:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment - two further news sources added referencing academy days, move into first team, and first appearance of the 2024 season. Fleets ( talk) 11:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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