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Speedy delete Looking through the article's history, there was never a point where it had any acceptable sources. Unsourced content needs to be removed, regardless of notability, and the entire page is unsourced.
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Delete - My first searches found nothing in the least good to suggest considerable coverage.
SwisterTwistertalk 04:48, 1 July 2015 (UTC)reply
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Does not meet guidelines for notability under
WP:NMUSIC217IP (
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The subject of the article has claimed that he is notable under item #1 of
WP:NMUSIC due to a local radio station having a 2.5 minute long segment that covered him and another musician, but I believe this publicity fails to be notable due to it being trivial, and more importantly, it being coverage due to their new album (release information). Release information does not count as notability. There are a couple other cited mentions of him, but they are all trivial. The article itself is also very lacking in neutrality and seems to be a platform for self promotion. For instance, until I removed it recently, it included a reference to a travel pillow he is attempting to manufacture and sell. It also includes multiple paragraphs discussing the history of reggae that seems to have nothing to do with the musician.
217IP (
talk) 22:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Hey Hello everyone :) MC Zulu here just speaking up for myself again.
Because of the fact that I myself did not post the article I am not going to take responsibility for what's there. I can answer claims of non-notability with several more examples of press coverage which are not listed. There are certain tour dates like headlining Sydney Fest in 2010 and being 'the face' on all the promotionals and city buses. My tracks have been used in national (USA) commercial campaigns and even a television series in Israel (called New York). My album releases have charted on CMJ repeatedly and one of them (Electro Track Therapy) even made it to the provisional rounds of 2012-13 Grammy nominations... Not bad for a guy who has self released the majority of his material. I still have not mentioned my collaborations with several high profile, "Notable" artists from all over the world.
Now I did come off the road to make sure my youth were raised right, and I don't regret it. As compared to a mainstream artist, these are not notable accomplishments. However the article infers that I was an influential figure on certain mainstream artists. It shows a timeline of events and coverage to support that. My release dates even support that. These are the points that User: 217IP deleted and contested, almost word for word, under another login (as User: 71.96.93.217). Said user focused solely on the Zulu Musician page during that time, and was even cited for engaging in an edit war. User then performed a revision to hide the citation from the 71.96.93.217 talk page. If you look that IP was even considered for a permanent block due to vandalism. This all happened in the past week.
I do not disagree that the MC Zulu article needs to be fleshed out, but as I received a great deal of scrutiny for simply adding my own picture last week, I am unwilling to make the changes. I have fans who follow me on social media and maybe they can help, I suppose. So I won't touch the article, but I will be here to answer any defamation against my character.... namely that I have attempted to use this site as a vehicle for self promotion. That is an incorrect assumption coming from one user who has been vigorously pursuing deletion as a first course of action.
Love and Blessings to you all...!
Mczulu (
talk) 04:26, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete and draft/userfy if wished - The article has some notable sources but I'm not seeing much for solid independent notability and my searches found nothing good aside from a passing mention (thebanginbeats.com) at News.
SwisterTwistertalk 05:21, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
This will be my last entry on the matter because I have wasted 9 days on it, and curiously enough my website was hacked during the same time. According to your guidelines, notability does not expire, nor should an article be an indicator of such. I made (the right) decision not to tour perpetually a few years ago, so you should not be checking "News". Check "The Web" and go 20-30 pages out if you wish. Those results are definitely not related to JUST ONE event (again, part of your guidelines). In the end though, you are going to do whatever you want to do. It may not be what I'd hoped, but there's always a silver lining :) There's also perspective. Acknowledgement here is great, but a 10th day is far too big a price.
All The Best...!!!
Mczulu (
talk) 13:51, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete: Sorry, but NMUSIC's even soggier than PORNBIO used to be, and it's still subordinate to the GNG. I'm seeing a lot of blog posts about the guy, but a serious lack of significant coverage in
reliable sources. Nha TrangAllons! 17:41, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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The result was delete.
JohnCD (
talk) 18:10, 3 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Fails
WP:GNG and
WP:NMMA. All of the article's references are just links to his fight record and he has only two top tier fights.
Jakejr (
talk) 20:15, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete - With the two fights he does have with Bellator, both were preliminary fights so it seems less likely that coverage was generated and he meets
WP:GNG. In addition, for his second fight it lists him as being on an unaired fight for the event when 11 of the 13 fights were aired in some capacity on that event. Makes me think even the promotion didn't find him very notable - otherwise they would have featured him higher. Therefore, I say delete.
RonSigPi (
talk) 03:00, 27 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete He lacks the significant coverage required to meet
WP:GNG and the top tier pro fights required to meet
WP:NMMA.
Papaursa (
talk) 03:01, 29 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Conflicting Guidelines I believe this biography both meets
WP:MMABIO which reads "Fought at least three (3) fights for top tier MMA organizations" while at the same time fails
WP:NMMA which reads "Have fought at least three (3) professional fights for a top-tier MMA organization, such as the UFC". I have brought this to the attention of
talk:MMABIO.
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The result was delete.
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The core case is an ongoing trial between
Norwegian Police Security Service and the student/researcher Kaffash. NPSS fears that Kaffash and other Iranian students might acquire "knowledge potentially usable in development of mass destruction weapons". One might discuss whether this is a good case, but it is an ongoing trial. It is therefore highly inappropriate to present the case in Wikipedia as a matter of "discrimination in education", since this is the position of one of the parties in the trial.
The article
Discrimination in education should also be considered for deletion. This is a relevant subject for an article, but the current content is highly biased with its overweight on iranian students.
Orland (
talk) 19:10, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Orland:This is not accurate. The discrimination in education in Norway is not limited to the trial between Kaffash and NPSS. It is a bigger picture including university admission denial, visa issuance and resident permit renewal refusal over the fear of sensitive technology transfer. Are you aware that the
Norwegian Equality and Anti-Discrimination OmbudCONFIRMED one of the cases of admission refusal as unlawful discrimination? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Sedai2014 (
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contribs) 20:18, 25 June 2015
Being part or not being part of the campaign is not a good reason for deleting an article in my view. As I discussed in talk one concrete example of education discrimination in Norway is referenced in the article where one student is not permitted to HBV due to her nationality according to the Norwegian Anti-discriminatory Ombud. At this stage I suggest modifying the title rather than deleting the whole article.
Hkhaledi (
talk) 19:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Orland:Being a Norwegian I would understand that you do not like to see this article in Wikipedia. But deleting this article will not remove the dirt. It is not only the view of Iranian students but many Norwegian organization also protested the practice and spoke out against that.
WorldPeaceLove (
talk) 20:41, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
There are some very predictable responses to this deletion proposal. The first one is that
WorldPeaceLove (
talk·contribs),
Educationinpeace (
talk·contribs) and
Hkhaledi (
talk·contribs) supports the article. These three, together with
Sedai2014 (
talk·contribs) are all new accounts, that seem to have been established to work with this/these articles. See also
Sockpuppet investigations/Sedai2014. The second one is the allegation that is a case of pronorwegian patriotism from my side. It is not. As i said in my opening, one might discuss whether or not NPSS has a good case, but this article (and
the structure of the other articles) is based on the viewpoints of one side in a trial, that is as far from
Neutral point of view as it is possible to get. --
Orland (
talk) 06:47, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I strongly support the article. It should be kept. Few improvements can enrich the existing content.
WorldPeaceLove (
talk) 21:52, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Norwegian organizations protesting the discriminatory practice
Yes, it is possible that Kaffash's case has got support. It is good for her, and interesting for the public debate on this question. But the support is still supporting one side in an ongoing trial. Bw --
Orland (
talk) 06:47, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I support keeping the article as it can simply be reworked to be NPOV.
Weegeerunner chat it up 21:16, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I also support keeping the article, although it needs substantial revision. A key problem is that the opposing viewpoint isn't public, the case rests entirely on secret evidence, as none of the publically discussable facts of the matter point to anything other than it being a discrimination case. The mere fact that the case rests on secret evidence makes the existence of the article warranted. Those are just facts, whether we like them or not. Also note that the Iranians side of the case is verifiable, PST's side of the case is not. Now, the weak part of the present article is that it emphasizes the ongoing trail, which makes the article less encyclopedic. However, Wikipedia has always had unfinished content, and sometimes, one side the case must be brought forward so that opposing viewpoints are tickled into improving NPOV. This happens all over Wikipedia every day. I say, let the edit wars erupt, but deletion is inappropriate! ;-) BTW, I'm Norwegian, and I've been editing a bit on Wikipedia since it was founded, and I was an editor of the predecessor Nupedia too.
Kjetil Kjernsmo (
talk) 07:43, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I also support keeping the article.
Orland (
talk·contribs)'s biased approach to this article is very clear due to her/his nationality. The biased approach resulted in deleting
Norwegian version of the article without discussion. As can be seen,
Orland (
talk·contribs)'s reasoning has nothing to do with the content of the article and references mentioned here. As said before deleting the article is inappropriate and it should be improved by editing.
Educationinpeace (
talk) 08:33, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
As
Educationinpeace says, I havn't discussed the content, because this time it's the scope and concept of the article that is the problem. Anyone can contest my deletion on no:wp; so far noone has done it. --
Orland (
talk) 11:22, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
:@
Orland: I just noticed that you have reported some accounts active in this discussion to be closed. Your reason is that these accounts are quite new and have only shown interest in this debate. I can understand your frustration on pushing your personal opinion and all your endeavors deleting this article from Wikipedia, but the accounts reported by you have not violated any Wikipedia rules. Please respect the rules and regulations as it is expected from an old user like you. More than that, please be aware that there are at least three old users who have supported keeping the article with major or minor revision. Having known that the Norwegian translation of this article was immediately deleted by you without any further discussion or TALK shows a lot about your attitude and pushing your personal opinion on this topic.
Hkhaledi (
talk) 13:17, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Hkhaledi:. I don't think that I have suggested any accounts to be closed. Are you confusing me with Nicky mathew? But I am not impressed by new accounts advocating their own article and campaign. Bw --
Orland (
talk) 19:23, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I cannot see that the majority of this article has anything to do with discrimination, and therefor it should be drastically cut down or simply deleted. There is a section about the attempt to introduce tuition fees for foreign students. Higher education in Norway is paid for by the taxpayers of Norway. Most universities of the world require some kind of tuition fee, why should introduction of such a feed in Norway be considered discrimination? There are a lot of grants which a worthy student can apply to for help with the tuition, or take up a loan - which many have to do - to cover tuition and other expenses related to his/her education. No person have a right to be educated in Norway. If Norway consider the person a security risk because of country of origin, then that is a security issue, not discrimination. Norway as a sovereign nation has the right to allow and refuse people access to the Kingdom of Norway. --
J. P. Fagerback (
talk) 14:46, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
For a sudden introduction of a tuition fee for foreign students in a society that "free education" is a principle I agree that it is debatable if it is discriminatory or not.
But for the case of Iranian students (and few other nationals) there is no doubt that some students are discriminated, it is just a question if the discrimination is "legal" or "illegal". It is not only about visa, for the case of
Mahtab Emami who already migrated to Norway, she was refused to an admission from HBV university college due to her national origin. Equality and Anti-discrimination Ombud (LDO) announced it as
"illegal ethnic discrimination":
Sunniva Ørstavik from the Equality and Anti-Discrimination Ombudsman believes that the rejection case is an ethnic discrimination, and thus unlawful
So as you see it is not only for those who want to enter Norway, it is also for those who have already been to Norway. Hamideh Kaffash and many other students were also working in Norway for a year or so, so it is not a question of sovereignty of Norway to accept/deny visa application, it is about the responsibility to have a justification for a country while depriving people from education and-or expelling them from the country.
Sedai2014 (
talk) 18:25, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Tuition fee for foreign students is obligatory in many countries (Sweden and Denmark also recently did the same, and usually Scandinavian countries follow the similar rules). This is not a discrimination but only a tax policy in different countries. On the other hand, there are many Iranian students in Norway who study in different fields, then there is no systematic discrimination against Iranian in Norway. This article and
Hamideh Kaffash should be deleted.
Arne-Barack (
talk) 16:58, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
The way the Norwegian government wanted to introduce tuition fee was severely criticized and disliked by many in Norway and you know that the plan was withdrawn by the government under the public pressure at the end. This is the difference between US or UK and Norway where free education is considered statutory. But as I said earlier, it is debatable if skolepenger stuff is discriminatory or not.
For the case of Iranians students, it is true that not all the Iranian students are yet expelled from Norway and deprived from education. But those who underwent these conditions, were treated differently due to their nationality. I refer you to
this article again where LDO clearly stated unlawful ethnic discrimination.
Sedai2014 (
talk) 18:25, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I have been watching the systematic education discrimination, not only against Iranians but also against Chinese and Syrians, in Norway in the couple of past months. The right hand government of Norway, in an attempt to reduce the number of foreigners in Norway, has used security police to stop getting students from abroad. And perhaps Iran with its long list of sanctions is the easiest target. The attempt by the Norwegian government to put tuition fee for foreign students in 2014 does bring no doubt that the discrimination has happened in Norway at least in the past 2 years. Perhaps it is worthy to mention that the Samii minorities in Norway has also been suffering from discrimination since long time. After Iranian and Chinese, it seems like it is Russian's turn. Discrimination shall be condemned and I support keeping this article in Wikipedia as there is no doubt about the credibility of this article.
Mikhail.bulgakov (
talk) 23:03, 27 June 2015 (UTC)reply
delete the article is a hopeless POV
WP:COATRACK.
WP:TNT. Can be re-created by non-activitsts.
Jytdog (
talk) 00:58, 29 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete - Wikipedia is not a
WP:SOAPBOX. The article is an indiscriminate mix of grievances which the author tries to promote.
Kraxler (
talk) 18:18, 4 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete: Per SOAPBOX, COATRACK, TNT and IAR. We don't need any more manufactured battlegrounds on Wikipedia. Nha TrangAllons! 12:06, 6 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Look at the content instead of "a major contributor"
I know that you didn't like campaigning type of edit here, but the article itself is purely truth and very well-referenced. amiri don't delete the whole thing, just improve the tone as you wish.
PenLover (
talk) 20:50, 2 July 2015 (UTC)reply
PenLover the article fails almost every content policy we have. People who talk about
The TruthTM are generally
not here to build an encyclopedia and generally don't give a rat's ass about Wikipedia and its policies - it is the completely wrong "head". Please read everything I wrote on your Talk page.
Jytdog (
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Fails
Wikipedia:MUSIC, specifically they have not been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. Additionally, they have only produced two albums neither of which have received significant national coverage, been certified gold, or been released by a major record label.
Tiptoetytalk 19:02, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep Thank you for your input, but the albums released by this artist have received coverage by many significant national sources such as
DownBeat Magazine, which is considered "The Bible of American Jazz." Other sources listed are
All About Jazz and
Vintage Guitar Magazine, both of which are national publications. Also, this artist has received coverage by
New Hampshire Public Radio, a station with over 200,000 listeners.
yallamanoozadazactoosh
Keep The reviews from Downbeat, All About Jazz, and Icon all look to be reliable sources from experienced journalists. A college newspaper, even one as august as The Dartmouth, doesn't carry the same weight, but there's still enough to meet
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Delete likely promotional page plus no refs. ~EDDY(
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Possible
WP:COI. Fails
WP:GNG as of now. Article is also available in
Draft:Reza Shariffi which maybe accepted later if notability could be established.
JAaron95 (
Talk) 17:36, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep The article requires cleanup, yes, because it is not written in encyclopedic tone, contains some unsourced statements, and has some other general issues; but that is not a valid reason for deletion. The nominator's main concern seems to be notability, but notability is established by significant coverage in
reliable sources which are independent of the subject. As nominated (prior to any cleanup) this article cites two such sources:
I have taken the liberty of providing full citations rather than the bare urls which the article uses. Moreover, the subject of the article has won several major awards for his costume design work, including an
IIFAA, which appears to be roughly equivalent to the
Oscars in the U.S.
The nominator also mentions that it is a possible
conflict of interest, but (1) that's not a reason to delete the article if the person is notable and (2) I'm not sure what gives the nominator that impression. The article reads like it was written by a fan, but not the subject himself or an employee. In short; no reason to delete, keep and cleanup. ~ ONUnicorn(
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Contribs)problem solving 18:04, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep per meeting
inclusion criteria through awards and nominations notable to his industry. Also a bit of
WP:BEFORE appears to show meeting
WP:GNG as well.
[1][2][3][4][5] Pardon me
Jaaron95, but did you look at
WP:ANYBIO before declaring a lack of notability?
Costume designers can and have been found notable, and we have no need to delete what can be further expanded and sourced.
Kudos to
ONUnicorn for his efforts serving Wikipedia and its readers. Schmidt, Michael Q. 13:58, 27 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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Doesn't meet
general notability guideline, doesn't meet
WP:COMPANY requirements. No hits at Google Books, no hits at Google News. No significant coverage by anybody, really. Looks like a startup, so it's far too early for an article.
Cyphoidbomb (
talk) 17:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete - non-notable startup label. No notable signed artists (all links point to irrelevant articles). No length of operation, or release of culturally significant material. No reliable, independent sources found, so additionally fails GNG.
78.26(
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Delete. Using WP as PR tool for year-old business venture of zero note whatsoever.
WP:NOTPROMO. --
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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails
WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason.
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Delete – Not notable per
WP:NFOOTBALL as player has not played in any
WP:FPL and also fails
WP:GNG. If the player should play for Arsenal in the Premier League or Champions League he will be notable, but that will probably not happen and he will play with the youths and at the moment this article should not exist. Qed237(talk) 12:51, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete With regret, I have to agree with Qed here. While he has been included in Lega I matchday squads, he didn't come off the bench in any of the matches according to
Soccerway. We'll have to wait until he plays for Arsenal before this article (and the regular Skyrim related vandalism) can be recreated. The C of E God Save the Queen! (
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Delete - Fails
WP:NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a
fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy
GNG. The move to Arsenal is not notable in itself, he has merely joined the academy along with a host of other non-notable prospects.
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Strong Keep as newly overhauled version of article (updated with addition of many reliable sources and improved prose from the version that existed at time of nomination) easily crosses the verifiability and notability thresholds. Subject has already won a national title,
National Sweetheart, in addition to the
Miss Idaho 2015 state title. -
Dravecky (
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Keep as a
WP:GNG pass, per Dravecky's sources and improvements to the article.
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Non-notable political party, fails
WP:ORG.
ukexpat (
talk) 16:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete as
A7. In my opinion, the article makes no claim of notability whatsoever. I initially nominated this for speedy deletion under A7, but someone disagreed with me.
Gparyani (
talk) 18:45, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep The user has shown notability by the evidence described in the newspaper article. A new political party also is notable due to changes in the UK main political parties, where some of the major ones have lost much support. Sherald01
Sherald01 (
talk) 19:36, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment The above comment was added by the creator of the article.
Gparyani (
talk) 20:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete Just being a party isn't enough to be notable enough, and 1 source doesn't show significant, independent coverage, as required by
WP:GNG. A party founded a few weeks ago isn't going to satisfy this, I can't find anything about them.
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Non-notable local politician. Saul holds a position as a county councillor, with no evidence of ever having held any more significant office. He is the current chairperson (Irish: Cathaoirleach) of the council, but this is a year long ceremonial office with no extra powers. Saul is a standard county councillor doing standard county councillor things, and has not received any national coverage relating to him, which would make him notable.
Snappy (
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Comment Saul is the elected political head of a county council with a population of 206,261, the office has statutory powers which are dealt with in
| Section 31, of the Local Government Act, 2001. He presides over an organisation with a budget of over €100m and employs over 500 staff. The authority holds tax raising powers over 80,000 households. His office is not insignificant.
Quirinus X (
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You are incorrect, its the Chief executive (or county manager) Owen Keegan who presides over the administration of the DLR county council. The chairperson of the council chairs the monthly council meetings, attends various openings and events, and wears the ceremonial chain of office for a year. He/she has no extra powers than an ordinary councillor, and certainly has no statutory powers. It has been established on wikipedia that city or county councillors are not inherently notable by virtue of their office and that includes chairs, they must meet additional criteria, which is not evident here.
Snappy (
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Owen Keegan is actually chief executive of Dublin City Council and the position of county manager has been abolished
Snappy. DLR actually has a budget of upwards of €160m
Quirinus X. Recent changes to local government empower the Chairperson (Irish: Cathaoirleach) to preside over all meetings during their term of office and have enhanced their agenda setting powers, I'm not sure
Snappy is fully up to speed on latest arrangements. However size does matter, I would argue the chair of smaller councils might not warrant an article, but Dun Laoghaire is one of the largest in Ireland by population and revenue on that basis KeepReggiegal (
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I'm quite up to speed on recent developments in local government. I mentioned "county manager" as this was what the head of the council administration was known as until last year. The chairperson always presided over meetings so that's not a new power, and as far the "agenda setting powers", that's mere political window dressing. Saul is just taking "Buggins turn" as chair until some one else takes over next year, and so on.
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Delete Local politician lacking the amount of sources needed to demonstate notability.
John Pack Lambert (
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Delete. County councillor is not an office that gives a person an automatic
WP:NPOL pass just because they exist — and the sourcing here is entirely of the
primary variety, with none of the
reliable and independent kind to get him over
WP:GNG instead.
Bearcat (
talk) 18:03, 22 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment Saul isn't just a county councillor, he is Chairperson of Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County County Council the office is notable, just like
Mayor of Dublin City CouncilReggiegal (
talk) 02:01, 23 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment: Nope. Chairperson of a county council counts for nothing more than any other county council seat does — the only possible path to getting him an article on Wikipedia is to source it well enough to get him past
WP:GNG on the basis of the volume of media coverage present in the article as written, because the office itself cannot pass any NPOL criterion except #3 (which is entirely conditional on the quality of sourcing, and never gives anybody a "just because they exist" freebie.) But this article, as written, contains no valid reliable sourcing — it's entirely
primary — and thus it's sitting exactly nowhere on the GNG scale.
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Delete - For some unknown reason I actually thought this was related to
Better Call Saul but obviously not
, Well unlike that Saul this Saul has no evidence of notability at all so will have to say Delete. –
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delete fails WP:ORG. Only awards diplomas, we only grant inherent notability to degree awarding institutions.
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The result was delete. –
czar 22:48, 4 July 2015 (UTC)reply
This person is a blogger for the Huffington Post, and the only thing written about him is the short bio that all bloggers for that site get. Everything else is written by him. Other sources give his recommendations, but all result from interviews and just repeat his advice uncritically, so are also primary.
Sammy1339 (
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Delete for now (maybe draft to userspace) with no possible target for moving elsewhere. My searches found several results but nothing significant
here (fades by page 5),
here and
here. These call him "nationally known" and such but there doesn't seem to much in-depth coverage about him also.
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Delete just another nutritionist trying to sell another miraculous diet, no coverage, just the ordinary struggle to reach an audience. Self-published books, blog posts, social media, nothing else...
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The result was keep (nomination retracted, non-admin closure)
Pichpich (
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There are rumours that this Pakistani news network will soon be launched but until it is, it's just a website consisting of a single page
[6] and suspect Facebook announcements (see
[7]).
Pichpich (
talk) 13:48, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
It appears I was wrong and this news network has now launched (though the website has changed names). I'm therefore retracting my nomination.
Pichpich (
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Fitrak News is a pakistan's leading news network. It have more than 1200 employes and going to launch soon. In
Pakistan it has already become a brand. On June 4 an international recognized senior journalist and analyst
Hamid Mir conform his launching in Live Tv show
Capital Talk on
Geo News.(see
[8])
HaXanraZaa (
talk) 6:47, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
This is increasingly looking like a complete hoax. Now even the official website is gone...
Pichpich (
talk) 14:59, 23 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Fitrak News is prominent from other media houses of
Pakistan due to several reasons. It build largest media infrastructure in short time and select most experienced news team accourding to
Dunya News. (see coverage of Axact, Fitrak and Bol
[9])
EDU756b (
talk) 5:46, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Please show me a credible report that this network will exist. How do you reconcile your claim that it will be "the largest media infrastructure" in Pakistan yet is unable to keep its home page open?
Pichpich (
talk) 19:17, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Dear Here is website of
Fitrak News. Now it is under construction and going to launch soon. (see website
[10])
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non notable dermatologist, with multiple unverified claims. The only verified material here that might indicate notability is joint authorship of a single textbook. DGG (
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Delete. Lacks indicia of notability.
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Delete per above - no evidence of notability, Fails GNG. –
Davey2010Talk 22:42, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete. The Jerusalem Post cites her
here, her book only has 1 customer review
here (not an official test but an indication of a lack of notability for me). Overall, thinking the sources and references are not there, although it is possible there are more sources in (1) Israeli media or (2) dermatology journals. These I have not checked so I could change my view here.--
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WP:POVFORK of
Female infanticide in China. Sex-selective abortions cannot be considered femicide as these are not performed on legal persons, same way as in the relation of abortion to foeticide.
92slim (
talk) 23:52, 13 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete: The neologism is barbarous as well. "Femicide" would not mean killing of females. "Gynocide" would be closer, but then it would include killing all the females of a place. Sex-selective abortion is a serious problem, and it raises all sorts of concerns, but it's not "femicide." Per nomination: POV.
Hithladaeus (
talk) 01:42, 14 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Actually
Hithladaeus this is the term.
Gendercide is the general term: femicide is for women and androcide for men. But I agree it sounds odd. See my suggestion below.
—МандичкаYO 😜 09:01, 14 June 2015 (UTC)reply
There are notable cases of mixing Latin and Greek (or arguably doing so), but it seems, now that I see the debate behind the debate, that this one is drawing in sources from all sorts of places, including American legislators who have never met a Classical root. This word's value is aggravated by the debate over gender/sex, where "female" is biological, but "feminine" is gendered. Because that's also linguistically hot.... Oh, well. It doesn't seem like the article shows sufficient RS for the usage, either.
Hithladaeus (
talk) 14:05, 14 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep - I see an admin declined speedy and I took another look. Maybe could use a different name but I see how this should not be deleted. :-)
—МандичкаYO 😜 04:23, 14 June 2015 (UTC)reply
So who is POV pushing now? --
92slim (
talk) 04:30, 14 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Merge/Rename - Most of the article is about infanticide and sex-selective abortion. Since we already have
Female infanticide in China, it seems like it makes the most sense to reframe/trim this to be
Sex-selective abortion in China, also using the material from
sex-selective abortion#China. I think the question of "foeticide" vs. "sex-selective abortion" does need to be visited, but that can happen outside of AfD. — Rhododendritestalk \\ 16:48, 14 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I think it should go to
Female feticide in China (since it's only females), and abortion (implying a medical procedure) is only one method of feticide; ie women who are beaten to force miscarriages is also feticide
[11]—МандичкаYO 😜 10:01, 16 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Honest question
Wikimandia: Would that be forced miscarriage or forced abortion? If you think this isn't the best place to answer in order to keep the delete discussion uncluttered, we can move to our talk pages. PaxVerbum 03:12, 17 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Though the lead is a typical POV ("Femicide is considered..." - weasel; ""gendericide" is inaccurate..." - POV) the subsections look ok or cleanable. However, this article is still a patchwork of three different issues (sex-selective abortion, sex-selective infanticide and discrimination), and there ought to be RS to (1) discuss those issues together and (2) give it the term "femicide".
On a side note, I have an unpleasant feeling of stepping in the midst of an ongoing feud between Wikimandia and 92slim. Methinks both ought to stay away from issues related to abortion of their own will, before they end topic-banned.
Tigraan (
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Huh? Please review
the related ANI regarding 92slim's behavior. Not a single person suggested I be topic banned (especially considering I have only a few edits in this area) or that I've done anything wrong.
—МандичкаYO 😜 11:15, 16 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I don't think Tigraan was suggesting you be topic banned, or that someone else had said you be topic banned. I think Tigraan was just looking out for you and trying to provide a helpful comment based on what has been seen, nothing more or nothing less. PaxVerbum 02:48, 17 June 2015 (UTC)reply
FYI, User:Wikimandia is banned for a week. So much for his behaviour. --
92slim (
talk) 15:22, 17 June 2015 (UTC)reply
My comment was more in line of "calm down everybody" and "I commented on this AfD but I do not want to be dragged in the feud it takes part in".
I am not saying the wrongs are coming from both sides, either.
Tigraan (
talk) 15:30, 17 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep This could be touched on in
Female infanticide in China, but the article itself should stand. While there definitely seems to be POV issues, the two subjects are separate and notable; I think that the content of the article is salvageable. PaxVerbum 02:48, 17 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Per above, I agree that content is salvageable, but there are two big issues (related to each other).
"Femicide" may be an unnotable neologism (not likely) or have unclear meaning (likely), see comment by Hithladaeus above. Having an unclear title is awkward.
The scope of "femicide" could be quite different from the article's "systematic killing of females" which includes abortion (saying it is "killing" is POV), infanticide, and higher death rates due to discrimination (not really "killing", either). The scope of the article is not clear.
While I could see an article "Women discrimination in China" (not a good title but you get the idea) that deals with all of this, the current title is incorrect. If, on the other hand, the scope is "crimes aimed specifically at women in China" we are looking at a different article.
Tigraan (
talk) 15:30, 17 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete and merge its contents to a newly created
Sex-selective abortion in China article just like it is stated above, because the word "femicide" is indeed a neologism. --
31.4.238.181 (
talk) 12:24, 19 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment - There are many well-documented and reliable sources employing the use of the word femicide, indluding Time and the BBC. Also, this article is not just about the word, but about femicide in China, so it's scope is much more encyclopedic. I would also like to point out that this !vote by an IP is the only edit made thus far from from that address... PaxVerbum 01:56, 20 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep. This is a well-referenced article on an extremely important topic. Anyone who doubts that sex-selection in China, whether accomplished by abortion, infanticide, or other means, is significant, need only look at
this and note the large excess of Chinese males under 20. Given the far-reaching political and social impacts of this phenomenon, breaking the article up into abortion, infanticide, and whatever else just makes no sense. --
Sammy1339 (
talk) 22:41, 19 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I do not think anyone disputes the importance of sex discrimination in China. I do not dispute the relevance of an article on such a topic, though others might. But I disagree with the current title and (unclear) scope, see above; in particular, I would very much like to know what is covered by the "whatever else" you mentioned.
Tigraan (
talk) 09:22, 22 June 2015 (UTC)reply
"The info is already out there" is not an argument, since redundancy can be accepted if it leads to better content organization (
Felidae exists along with
Felinae and
Pantherinae, even though all the info could be gathered in one or two articles). In that case, if there is consensus that the larger topic is notable, there ought to be an article, even if there are POV issues with the current one.
Tigraan (
talk) 09:22, 22 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Felinae and
Pantherinae are subfamilies of
Felidae, which means that they are different encyclopedic topics, as considered in
Zoology. The article here nominated for deletion and the other two articles mentioned by me are about the same thing, only this one is looking from a biased POV at it, and exists to make a
WP:POINT. Hence the need to delete it.
Kraxler (
talk) 14:51, 23 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Just noticed this deletion page again, actually there is an article (another WP:POVFORK unfortunately) covering the topic throughly:
Missing women of China. --
92slim (
talk) 23:51, 22 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Merge. Tigraan has this right - the article could be made to be encyclopedic, but the title ensures confusion. Femicide is a neologism, albeit a notable one, and like many neologisms it lacks consensus for its meaning. The broadest reading of the term would support an article that covers systematic killing of females for reasons relating primarily to gender whether as sex selection prior to birth or by spouse/family/domestic partners or what have you. A more restrictive reading would have it duplicate
Female infanticide in China. Absent reliable sourcing that conflates the topics together, a merge is the best way to organize the content.
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Keep - This article is not just about infanticide but includes info on the deaths of Chinese women after they are born. An interesting topic. Referenced accurately, except I wish the Chinese references were in English. I would suggest even more recent references since so many are from <2010. Notable. Needs some 'wikifying'. Is the article's author participating in this discussion? Bfpage |
leave a message 22:00, 1 July 2015 (UTC)reply
While I personally advocate against keeping I do not think that the sources being "old" is a problem (I mean, the problem was pretty much the same in the 1990s; the sources are not so old). Pinging
Luke100102 per your remark (I thought AfD pinged the page creator but apparently not).
Tigraan (
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Delete. I have been asked to give my opinion and this article deserves deletion per
WP:POVFORK policy. There are indeed at least 3 other articles that contain the exact same content with a different wording/structure. --
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Does not appear to meet the criteria set forth in
WP:ACADEMIC. Publications alone, though perhaps extensive and interesting, do not constitute notability. KDS4444Talk 15:30, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
He writes, and has lots of opinions, but unfortunately no-one seems to write about him. As a result, fails
WP:GNG and
WP:NPROF, so Delete.
Joseph2302 (
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Keep Looking at the criteria established for academics, Dr. Maranto seems to satisfy the requirements. For example, 4. The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions. Dr. Maranto has been a professor at ten institutions, and he also holds the Endowed Chair of Leadership at the University of Arkansas.
Additionally, another criterion mentioned is 7. The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity. Dr. Maranto served in the Clinton administration. He has also published 11 books and two are awaiting publication. — Preceding
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Article has no sources and some unsourced statements. Does not meet notability, in my opinion.
StewdioMACK (
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Delete not really seeing anything that raises it above a [[WP:DICDEF] - possibly could be reused at Wikitionary?
Artw (
talk) 18:18, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong keep: A very commonly used term in tens of thousands of items and almost in all languages particularly in music albums. There was an earlier deletion request on this and the consensus was to keep it.
werldwayd (
talk) 17:46, 27 June 2015 (UTC)reply
"A very commonly used term" no matter its usage is not a justification of
WP:Notability for a Wikipedia article. And the actual result of the previous AfD was
soft redirect to
Wikt:various artists, which might have happened, but the Wiktionary page has since been deleted.
Mnnlaxer (
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Delete It's a commonly used term to credit albums (primarily compilations and soundtracks) with contributions by different artists, yet the contributors are the artist's themselves. The concept itself is not discussed in reliable sources. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:21, 27 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Compilation album. This does not need to be kept as an article, as there are no sources and Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary. However, I don't think outright deletion is the answer, and this is a likely search term. –Chase (
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I've done some digging -
Various artists ended up at RFD and was deleted and retargeted to Compilation Album because the Wiktionary article was deleted so it's probably not a wise idea to redirect back to Wiktionary... Just thought I should point that out... –
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Completing nomination for 149.68.7.120, rationale is as follows: Article does not meet notability guidelines. I have no opinion. Hut 8.5 20:18, 2 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Leaning towards delete - All my searches found nothing significant and notable aside from the following results
here and
here. Unless other sources are found, there's not much.
SwisterTwistertalk 19:42, 4 June 2015 (UTC)reply
You don't explain why we should ignore the results that you did find. Obviously, if you're going to put search results aside, you're not going to be successful in establishing notability.
Andrew D. (
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Because the results didn't seem significant enough.
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Speedy Keep The nominator states that he has no opinion and so clearly has not done
due diligence on this while the opinion of a passing IP does not seem reliable when it only takes a moment to find a source for the topic such as Software Quality.
AFD is not cleanup.
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I'm not the nominator, 149.68.7.120 is. The reason the nomination process has to be completed by a registered user is purely technical. I would in fact have refused to complete the nomination if it was obviously flawed, but it isn't - the article does not contain any indication that the subject is notable. Hut 8.5 20:30, 10 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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The result was delete. (soft)
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Keep: I've cleaned it up, removed the timetable, linked the locations, and we should wait for someone to find sources. If it's a distinct railway line (as opposed to just a timetabled service), then it should have an article.
PamD 07:25, 10 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Looking further: as Clarityfiend points out it's a train service not a railway line, but it appears that in coverage of Indian railways it's the services, not the lines, which get articles - see
Tiruchirappalli_Junction_railway_station#Services etc, compared to the UK coverage of lines (eg
Category:Railway lines in North West England ). I've added Clarity's two refs to the article.
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Delete. According to these The Hindu articles,
[12][13] it appears to be just a train service on the Karur-Namakkal-Salem line.
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A couple of sources about the train, yes, but probably not enough to meet
WP:GNG here. However there's a lot more coverage of the line it runs on (examples:
[14],
[15]) - surely it would be more useful to refocus the article on that and make the passenger train a section? — Preceding
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Each of the three founders, myself included, have been featured as 'Rising Stars' of the publishing industry by The Bookseller, the prominent trade magazine
(link to this year's list). The company's Publishing Director was invited to give the keynote address at this year's International Digital Publishing Forum at BookExpo America, the largest book fair in the US, and in the
Publishers Forum, Berlin demonstrating international interest
(link). The company is notable as it is a digital-only publisher put together by prominent figures from the traditional publishing industry, for its ambition to become Europe's best digital publisher, and for the higher royalty rates it offers its authors. Our first books are released over the summer of 2015 and will include titles from notable authors, such as
Martin Davies. Hope this helps. Happy to discuss further, as only want to enhance the site, and am not an experienced wikipedia editor.
iainmillar18 (
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Delete Some new publishing ventures excite the industry and get news coverage. This one hasn't.E.M.Gregory (
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Delete for now with no possible target for moving elsewhere - The non-notability is obvious considering the 2015 foundation but I searched and the best I found were
various links (nothing significant though).
SwisterTwistertalk 04:37, 11 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep Changing my !Vote because I was wrong. Canelo has exactly the sort of news coverage and buzz that a promising new publisher hopes for. That was some of the worst source-hunting I have ever done. As pointed out above, sources are there to support a page (which needs expansion) on a new company generating coverage because the 3 principals are established professionals and the industry is taking them seriously.
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Delete as
WP:TOOSOON. Let's let this promising publishing house prove itself before we add it to WP. If it survives and makes an impact, then an article makes sense. Unfortunately (and I hope this isn't their fate) many new businesses with great ideas fizzle early in their days. A WP article should be reserved for a company that has already made a difference, not one that might in the future.
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Editor in Chief of The Memo. Alex is also a regular contributor to The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph, CNN, CNBC and is a visiting lecturer at City University London.
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Does not meet
WP:GNG. References are either directory entries (1,2), corporate website (2,4) or do not mention subject at all (4-8,10). I could not access ref # 9, but the title doesn't suggest that it provides deep coverage of Softqube. I tagged this for speedy but creator removed it, and then I decided that the sheer number of references, though irrelevant, would deter a speedy, so I am here.
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Delete, not notable.
Bazj (
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Delete and comment:
Gartner Magic Quadrants are very reliable (they are the most trusted of the IT analyst firms) and they typically include a substantitve amount of detail. However, given that the firm only has 54 employees, no other quality sources are provided, and we have no way of verifying the source includes them (the mis-use of other sources suggests it cannot be trusted), I vote delete.
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Not notable, does not meet
WP:GNG. Sole reference is a press release.
ubiquity (
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Delete: I hate to break it to her, but that $1,000 won't buy her more than a couple of t-shirts at the Duke book store. Triangle Pest Control is a regional exterminator serving the Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill area. It advertises during basketball and football games for all three universities (UNC, NC State, and the other one). This article is a press release for a small scholarship.
Hithladaeus (
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Delete, nonnotable small scholarship.
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Delete per nom. This could have been nominated for speedy deletion as a non-notable event.
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BLP for wife of
Alan Menken. Was the subject of a documentary when she was an 18 year old ballet student, but I didn't find any significant coverage of her independent of her husband. Article author also wrote her IMDb bio. --
Finngalltalk 18:01, 18 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete: Checking out the citations. The cites provided do not back up the claim that she won a Tony award (though her husband Alan was nominated in 1994).
NY Times 1994: not mentioned in this article at all (2-page article)
NY Times 1986: Brief mention that she's married to Alan, the subject of the article
People: Brief mention that she's married to Alan, the subject of the article.
There's nothing further to be found via Google search under either last name (Roswick or Menken). To sum up, there's not the in-depth coverage we need to establish notability for this person. --
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Delete per above and as the product of long-time-banned and New Rochelle-obsessed
User:Jvolkblum. Wknight94talk 16:08, 22 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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Wknight94: I opened
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Emma 1984 based on this article and others surrounding the Menken family. Article author was blocked for sockpuppetry, but the group of socks was determined to be unrelated to Jvolkblum. --
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Fails WP:CORP, Notability claims are a stretch and only two sources are basically directories. Major contributor seems biased and closely related to the subject.
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Delete. I've previously deleted a number of spammy pages by the creator of this article. While I
assumed good faith and declined the speedy deletion request on this article in light of
this request from the page creator, I agree that unless there's radical improvement this shouldn't be on Wikipedia and the sources don't appear to exist to allow said improvement. –
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Delete, the given references don't come close to proving notability; the Bloomberg link is just a profile, I'm sure they have profiles on everything. —
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The result was delete and transwiki to WikiSource. (I take it it's been moved to WikiSource, but I'm happy to provide a copy of the deleted article on request if that hasn't been done.)
j⚛e deckertalk 14:42, 3 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Contested PROD; allegedly "valuable information" in the form of a
guide or manual but does not belong in Wikipedia. Perhaps Wikisource. §
FreeRangeFrogcroak 18:04, 18 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment: Moved To WikiSource
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Reformatted and indented.
APerson (
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Delete. Belongs on Wikisource - maybe. Certainly doesn't belong here. Fails
WP:NOTGUIDE.
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Delete: belongs at Wikisource; adopt @APerson rationale.
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Delete Fails
notability. Article created by an associate of the subject, and was completely unreferenced until April of this year. The majority of edits to it have been made by an account identified as the organization, associates, and the subject of the article. See diff
[16] The references provided are primary, including Linked In and Facebook. Neither the subject nor the organization are notable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Scr★pIronIV 17:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I am at a loss to understand why you would delete my entry after ten years. Yes, it was submitted by a (now deceased) business associate and yes I have updated it and added references when it was brought to my attention that the original entry was deficient. I have also asked a number of times for advice on how to provide appropriate information to substantiate the contents. Apart from the activities outlined that I have undertaken over the past 20 years or so I am now the CEO of the not-for-profit peak Australian organization representing everyone who uses the Internet and the Australian chapter of the global Internet Society. I was brought in to increase the organization's profile and effectiveness. I have rebranded the Internet Society of Australia as Internet Australia, appeared before parliamentary inquiries and have had numerous references in newspapers outlining the work of the organization under my leadership. Please let me know if there I anything more that I can do. Respectfully, thanks
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Since you probably have access to Australian sources that would support this article, please provide third-party, neutral sources that can be used to support notability. Use of the sources like linkedin and the organization's own web site are not suitable because they are created by and closely related to the subject of the article. There are specific policies on what sources can be used. You can start with
WP:BIO, but there are others that you can follow up on.
LaMona (
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Hello. Please don't take it personally. Wikipedia has notability guidelines and requires independent reliable verifications also - see WP:Policies and guidelines. Please ask yourself, are you really notable or is the company you work for notable? Have a lot of independent reliable sources written about your life details? If the answer is no then please understand, you warrant a mention in your company article but you don't warrant a wikipedia biography about your life. Regards - Govindaharihari (talk) 05:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Govindaharihari| Nothing personal taken, but to answer your questions. Yes, there is ample material on the world wide web about me stretching back twenty years. I don't currently represent a company I run an not-for-profit organization that represents everyone in Australia who uses the Internet. I have appeared before parliamentary reviews and been written about in that context. I was brought in to head up the Internet Society of Australia on the basis of my notoriety; specifically for having undertaken a major review of Indigenous broadcasting for the Australian Government and brokering a significant deal that avoided the certain demise for the National Indigenous Television channel (NITV). I also created and headed up the Australian Community Television Alliance and on behalf of all the community TV stations in Australia I lobbied the Australian Government and against many people's expectation secured access to a digital channel without which community TV would have ceased to exist. At one point someone unknown to me added me to the list of notable Australian television executives. When I look at some of the others on that list and more generally at some of the other people who have entries on Wikipedia I respectfully and as humbly as possible suggest that I am not out of place on Wikipedia in comparison. I hope this helps avoid my being deleted after ten years and would be happy to help substantiate what is on my site. If necessary I can certainly get others to do so too. Thanks InternetAU (talk) 07:06, 20 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding
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strong delete many of the sources are pure padding and even the use of LinkedIn. The swarming here of single purpose editors with long winded text is a dead giveaway of conflict of interest and in my own experience in years of AfDs a clear indicator of lack of notability.
LibStar (
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Delete as clearly promotional, The cites are beyond ridiculous - Since when has LinkedIN became a source? .... There's plenty of sites to advertise but WP isn't one of 'em!. –
Davey2010Talk 02:15, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep per
Tomwsulcer's rewrite & others improvements - The article's much much better than it was when nominated. –
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Keep Agree article is in sad shape but there are
many references here in Australian media indicating he easily meets the
WP:GNG. Contributors, reading this, who wish to keep the article, suggest strongly that all the poorly referenced stuff is trimmed out, and only referenced content included.--
Tomwsulcer (
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Those are about his company position, not about a notable life in regards to notability for a
wp:BLP , a redirect and a mention at the company article
Internet Society of Australia is sufficient to report those details.
Govindaharihari (
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For me, the sources suggest he is not simply a "company position" but a major player in Australian business and Internet governance, his views are quoted widely, what he says affects what happens. He's at the confluence of important industries (Internet, business) in a nation of growing international importance.--
Tomwsulcer (
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He is not the subject most of the coverage, it's like a company or police spokesman being notable because he gets quoted a lot in the media.
LibStar (
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Here is
in-depth coverage and
here too showing Patton easily meets the
WP:GNG. He is clearly a major player in Australian Internet media and politics, with numerous references; he is not simply quoted a lot, but he impacts what happens to a considerable extent.--
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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator
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Doesn't meet
WP:AUTHOR or
WP:GNG. There is another notable writer called John Dunning, which made results difficult to obtain.
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Keep. According to the Wikipedia article, his books sold more than 15 million copies and he became "by far, Luxembourg's most prolific author", so there is assertion of importance. He was an author primarily, so the parenthetical disambiguation in the article title should not be "journalist"; article should be moved to "John Dunning (True Crime author)" (or perhaps "(Luxembourg author)" or "(law and order writer)" or "(true crime writer)").
He appears in Dictionnaire des Autours Luxembourgeois: see
his bio in Dictionnaire des Autours Luxembourgeois. (source not yet used in article; I notice it lists at least one more work by him: "Truly Murderous. Horrific modern European murders reconstructed").
There is what appears to be a feature article about him. It was published March 22, 1990 while the author died November 1990. "Un éminent sinologue et citoyen du monde. À la mémoire de John Dunning, écrivain luxembourgeois de langue anglaise". In: Die Warte-Perspectives 22.03.1990, by Fernand Hoffmann. It is categorized in genre: "Divers > Compte-rendu, portrait d'auteur, interview". Google translates title as "An eminent sinologist and global citizen. In memory of John Dunning, Luxembourg writer of English. In: Die - Warte Outlook 22.03.1990".
Per
this, Dunning is apparently also covered in Hoffman's "Geschichte der Luxemburger Mundartdichtung" which Google translates to "History of Luxembourg dialect poetry" or maybe that is "History of Luxembourg writing" or something more general than "poetry". Dunning is one of the 123 authors mentioned. Hoffman's work includes "First volume : From the beginnings to Michel Rodange . Second volume : From Aendréi Duchscher to the present. With a bibliography of Carlo Hury and a preface by Prof. Dr Hugo Moser" (also translated by Google)
Interestingly, in a critique of true crime: "Sometimes bad things happen but it isn’t the writer’s fault. The late John Dunning, for example, used to legitimately buy the basis of his crime stories from an agency. One day he received a letter from another crime writer pointing out that his dates were often wrong. John checked with the agency– and they admitted that they’d thought modern crime stories sold better than older ones, so were adding twenty years to each date!" That is in "Shots", an e-zine:
"True Crime: The Good, the Bad & The Ugly" by Carol Anne Davis.
Wikipedia coverage of
True crime genre is not great...impossible to tell if Dunning was an important leader, but possible. More sources likely, say in books about the genre.
Article was
tagged by the deletion nominator in March for COI, for the wikipedia article creator appearing to be a SPA. But that was harsh, seems unfounded, looking at
Johnnychips' contributions, a beginning wikipedia writer not showing specific knowledge (unsure if British is right or wrong nation) back in 2008. Everyone is an SPA in their first edits! I am removing that tag about COI now.
It seems to me to be a good service to distinguish between this John Dunning vs. the one who wrote detective novels. Amazon and other places mix them up together. It's not required but it is nice when Wikipedia provides definitive clarification on something not understood properly in the world.
Keep. ".. results difficult to obtain." Oh dear, very sorry. But that's hardly a good reason to delete. A dozen books? All quite popular, I would imagine. And all in a
Random House imprint? Hardly self-published, is he?
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CommentMartinevans123, there is never any need to be rude and sarcastic to other editors here. I mentioned that there was another writer of the same name so others would be warned that there would be some false positives; not as a reason that this article should be deleted. You could have made the same points in a neutral or collegiate manner. Withdrawing nom per
Doncram. Thanks for your hard work,
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The context of your comment made your intentions rather unclear. That seemed (and still seems) to be a reason for your nomination. You think this is "rude" by typical Wikipedia standards? I'm sorry if you really find a little sarcasm so hurtful. But my comment was directed at only one editor, not editors in general.
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I couldn't establish that she meets
WP:BIO or
WP:GNG. I was somewhat hampered by only being able to read English, so didn't consider a prod. Has been tagged for notability for over 7 years; hopefully we can now resolve this.
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Delete I couldn't find any sources besides listings of her teaching assignments in various schools. She's obviously an active dancer to gets hired to teach, but all of the information in the article is unsourced. Unless someone has access to Dutch sources, this one doens't meet the criteria.
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Delete My sweeps of international and
Dutch media did not reveal anything substantial. Plus the article does not address the issue of what this person is notable for (usually a sign to me that the article doesn't belong here).--
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Strong Keep Similar level of politicians such as
Teresa Tomlinson, have articles on Wikipedia.--
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Comment - Hardly the same,
Teresa Tomlinson is the mayor of a major city (pop. 202,000+). Marino was a mayor of a city of only 5,000. Regardless, this article needs to stand on its own merits. Just because Tomlinson exists does not mean this article is
notable.
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Delete per
WP:GNG a small town, and just very little information Shad in Net 01:46, 19 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding
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Delete: Mayor of a very small place, and the article makes no claims for notability. It says that he "worked on" some projects and that he accused "the chief" (of police?) of "verbal harassment." Is that a BLP issue? So, the article makes no claims as a biographical subject or as an office holder.
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Delete. Wikipedia does not extend an automatic notability freebie to all mayors just because they were mayors — mayors of major cities who can be sourced to major market media are certainly deemed to pass
WP:NPOL, but mayors of small towns must pass
WP:GNG on their own steam and do not get an automatic right to have a Wikipedia article just because they exist(ed). But this doesn't even approach the volume necessary to claim GNG — the sourcing pretty much just
WP:REFBOMBs one single fact about his life with practically every single text hit that can be found on his name at all, including Blogspot blogs,
primary sources, directory listings, news blurbs and smalltown newspapers which aren't distributed widely enough to demonstrate that he merits coverage in an international encyclopedia. That's not the type of sourcing that gets a person over the Wikipedia inclusion bar — nothing here constitutes or sources any reason why he should be considered more notable than any other smalltown mayor.
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Delete. Mayor of a very small town. No other apparent notability. --
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Delete #1 - a newspaper sponsored award where employees vote for their employer (not an RS) #2 dead link #3 dead link #4 individual articles based on #1. A news search gets some routine biz news, all from the Houston area, none that could confer notability.
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Delete - Unfortunately, there are no good sources to suggest this is notable with my searches (News, Books, highbeam and thefreelibrary) only finding
this (News).
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Delete as no evidence of notability - I haven't found anything that's even worth adding so will have to say Delete. –
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Delete I can't find any coverage in RS, only a multitude of press releases.
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Delete: They may have a novel assay, and it could be that searches would show that the particular assay will be notable at some point, but the company has not generated enough discussion to pass GNG yet.
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The result was delete. (soft)
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Maybe delete - Shad Innet's comments are vague about clarifying its notability so my extensive searches found results and I'm not sure if it is enough for notability;
here,
here,
here and
here. I'm voting more delete unless other people think this is in fact notable.
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Delete for now and draft to a willing user's userspace as my searches found several results but nothing that appears solid
here (News, results fade page 3),
here,
here ("leading multi-channel communications and customer services company") and
here.
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Delete - this is nothing more than an advert for a privately-held, non-publicly-traded corporation.
We are not a free webhost.
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Comment actually Bearian, that's not correct, the company is public traded on the ASX.
[18]Adpete (
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Keep, poor article content is not a valid deletion reason. This company clearly meets
WP:GNG as is evidenced by
numerous articles in the Fairfax Media publications. There are over 8,000 mentions of the company in Factiva over 30 years. A search of EBSCOhost's Australia/New Zealand Reference Centre yields over 400 results. Obviously not all of these results are significant coverage but there are many many examples.
Hack (
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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
Australia's largest direct mailer and call centre operator, Salmat, capped-off its first nine months as a listed company yesterday by beating its prospectus targets in all departments.
Keep - I support what northamerican1000 writes
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Keep - Per the sources Cunard has found, good job.
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The result was delete. I see no reason why this should have been relisted. The discussion shows very clearly that the consensus was to delete. DGG (
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It seems that delete by GNG Shad in Net 01:18, 19 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding
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Delete for now and draft - I'm very familiar with this company as I'm a yogurt eater and this is a well-known soy manufacturer but unfortunately it has not received considerable coverage with my searches finding the best
here,
here and
here.
SwisterTwistertalk 18:40, 19 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete – The notable topic is more likely to be the
So Delicious brand, but even that doesn't have significant coverage.
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The result was delete.
Soft deletion equivalent to an uncontested PROD. ☺ ·
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No reliable sources, no independent significant coverage found (looking for "Praise the Lord" and "Crouch"). The title is misspelled - "Praise the Lord" and "Praise the Lord (TV program)" with the correct spelling already redirect to the network article.
GermanJoe (
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Delete - it says it's an award-winning program (what award?) that's been on for 41 years, but there's no sources?
—МандичкаYO 😜 13:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep if the programme has been running continuously for 41 years, I would have thought that was notable in itself. Rename to
Praise the Lord (TV program) with correct capitalisation. A previous article (now redirected) was moved to
Praise the Lord (also redirected) as having an unnecessary disanmbguator, but the plain phrase ought to redirect to an article on Christian praise.
Peterkingiron (
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Keep or maybe simply redirect to
Trinity Broadcasting Network if the article can't be improved - I'm very familiar with both TBN and this program (very well-known in the Christian TV community) and a few searches finds results
here and
here. Unfortunately, I can't find much to clarify the awards and IMDb has nothing either but surely these sources along with TBN being notable are acceptable.
SwisterTwistertalk 05:58, 27 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Change to Weak keep (as nom) - no idea, why my first Google search for "Crouch" didn't work (searches on google.com work just fine for me usually), but the additional sources show some notability and possible additional content for an article. The current article is underdeveloped and doesn't really present a complete picture of the program and its background, and could use the attention from a neutral topic expert.
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I came across this as an A7, but the article does have two sources- enough to where there is enough of an assertion of notability for speedy deletion criteria. I wasn't able to find much else via a search on Google or on the
Indian English Newspapers Search, so I'm bringing this to AfD. Even if his claims of being the first charisma coach are correct (a dubious claim considering that this sort of coach has existed in various formats throughout the years) that isn't automatically something that would make him notable and the coverage just doesn't seem to be there.
Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 08:13, 18 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Reply to Tokyogirl79 Hi, charisma coach is a relatively new profession similar to a life coach. Going by your comment, Life coaching has existed in various formats for centuries too but we still have noted life coaches like
Tony Robbins today. Similarly, Charisma Coach is legitimate new profession. A coach who teaches people how to become more charismatic on the basis of various psychological and scientific studies done by behavioural scientists and research institutions across the world. For example: Olivia Fox Cabane is considered the most famous coach in USA. You may google her. Olivia has also written a book called "Charisma Myth". [1] Similarly, Eric Feng is another popular charisma coach based out of Singapore. In India, Danish Sheikh has been attributed to start the trend of charisma coaching. No other coach in India has offered anything like this to date. If his work wouldn't have been noteworthy, why would two reputed media publications
Yahoo! and
Outlook magazine chose to do a dedicated feature and interview with him? Hence I feel Danish fulfils the notability criteria. I will add more notable references from
rediff.com soon. --
Sharafat143 (
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The issue here is whether or not there has been a depth of coverage. Making a claim of being the only one or one of the few to do something can make it more likely that someone will be notable but this is not a guarantee and it does not mean that someone will be automatically notable. So far there are only two sources which at this point is not going to be enough to show notability since they were published fairly recently and at about the same time- in other words, there's not a true depth of coverage which is what is going to be necessary to show notability.
Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 06:31, 19 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I see your point. So what do you suggest? Do you think we can wait for a few days to find and add more reputed sources or shall I go ahead and delete it myself?
By the way in the Yahoo! interview the claim is made by the Yahoo! editor Khristina Jacob, that he is the only man in India who teaches charisma. he didnt claim it explicitly himself. I am sure Yahoo! News must have done their own research on him before featuring him on their home page with such a tall claim. Your thoughts?
There's no harm in letting the AfD run its course. If he does end up getting more coverage before the week is up to where it'd show a good depth of coverage (fair warning, it'd have to be a lot) then I'm willing to withdraw the nomination. However something to take into consideration with the Yahoo source is that in many instances these articles will pull off of claims that the person themselves state and/or put in their press kit. Lifestyle and human interest pieces are under less scrutiny than an article on say, a politician or more critical event, so they don't really do a huge amount of research. This doesn't mean that these articles couldn't be reliable sources but it does mean that claims of being the first to do something should be taken with a huge grain of salt. A great example is that many people will frequently try to claim that someone is the youngest director ever. Some will have newspaper coverage that cites this claim, only for others to quickly disprove this with other newspaper articles or other people who have claimed the same thing. Basically the whole point is that these claims are rarely ever directly challenged by the newspapers unless it's something incredibly obvious and/or something that could come back to haunt them if it posed a huge legal issue.
Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 07:20, 19 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete I do not think the Yahoo interview counts as a true source about him. Also I don't feel he really meets the underlying definition of notability.
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Delete for now - Even my first basic searches found nothing and there's simply not much in the slightest for improvement.
SwisterTwistertalk 05:45, 27 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment: I do want to say that I'm not opposed to this being userfied, if anyone's interested.
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Contested PROD. Donegan made his first-team debut for Fulham in the Europa League 2nd round qualifying against a semi-pro team and made no other appearances. Fails
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Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails
WP:NSPORT and
WP:GNG. His Europa League cap does not confer notability either as it was in qualifying.
Sir Sputnik (
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Keep - Donegan played for the
Fulham first team in a "Tier 1 International Match" in the UEFA Europa League, even if it was as as an 86th minute substitute, therefore he passes
WP:NFOOTY unless I have misunderstood the definition of it. Isn't the Europa League a Tier 1 league according to FIFA? It is the international competition for European football clubs after the Champions League, so I think his appearance would cause Donegan to qualify for a Wikipedia article under WP:NFOOTY
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Delete - Believe the Tier 1 match refers to international games and not club games. The qualifying games in Europe, especially against semi-pro teams, are just not enough to satisfy WP:NFOOTY. The fact he went on to make no further games for Fulham reinforces his lack of notability.--
Egghead06 (
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Delete - Fails
WP:NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a
fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy
GNG. The one appearance in a qualifying round of the Europa League against a team not from a FPL is not sufficient to pass NFOOTY, particularly since his career has been on a downward trend in terms of the quality of league he is playing in.
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Unclear claims of
notability, no references to assert. Awards do not seem significant, being a school principal is not usually notable
CutOffTies (
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Delete, not notable.
Bazj (
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Delete - Even the most basic searches at News, Books and browser finds nothing and therefore this can't be improved or even changed for the better (at least, not at this time).
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Not played in a
fully professional league, fails
WP:FOOTY and
WP:GNG. Also possible autobiography, previous identical version was deleted as a G11, but the speedy got declined on this.
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I agree with an A7, however footballers very infrequently get deleted under this. They have played in a Tier 2 or 3 league match, which means an A7 might not succeed (as that's a sort of claim of notability).
Joseph2302 (
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Speedy delete salt and block author. Blatant vanity. —
RHaworth (
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Delete - non-notable, fails
WP:NFOOTY. Ref #2 is a circular self-reference, posted on the same day, without any evidence for independent or reliable.
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Delete - Fails
WP:NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a
fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy
GNG.
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The result was keep. Consensus is for article retention. North America1000 00:25, 3 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete/merge Only 8 universities (
other colleges with such lists) have this kind of list among all the tens of thousands of universites on Wikipedia. Almost all of the names listed on
List of Hofstra University faculty don't have Wikipedia articles, sources, contains honorifics and puffery such as Dr. Ruth Prigozy, eminent Fitzgerald scholar and founder of the Fitzgerald Society.
List of Hofstra University alumni is not very large, and unlike all other colleges, Hofstra has "List of Hofstra University honorary degree recipients" article. Totally overcoverage.
Notable Sweety (
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Speedy keep, no argument for deletion of this list advanced; the rationale is instead copied and pasted from the nominator's
AFD of the faculty list. There also are, in fact,
other colleges with such lists (though it's by no means widespread). I'm always suspicious when someone with only a handful of edits decides to go on a deletion spree right off the bat. postdlf (talk) 00:07, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Most large colleges, such as state universities, have 1000s of alumni, yet they have in most cases, only one article usually titled "List of notable people" where they cover notable alumni, faculty and sometimes honorary degree recipients. Hofstra doesn't have many alumni with Wikipedia articles yet, and it has very few notable faculty. I don't think there's any justification for three articles. And no, my rationale for deletion is not copied and pasted from
AFD of the faculty list, which also I think be deleted/merged for same reason. — Preceding
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Your rationale was identical when you started this AFD, and still is largely so even now that you've expanded it. Your new reason that's applicable to this list (not the others, which you discuss together even though you did not make a group nomination) appears to be "most universities don't have this list", but
WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST is not a valid deletion rationale (nor is "overcoverage" btw, whatever that even means). It may be that every university with enough notable recipients should have such a list and they just haven't been made yet, or it may be that most universities have their lists incorporated into a larger list. Which brings us to the merger issue. Per
WP:ATD and
WP:SK, that's not a proper issue for AFD, except maybe after normal editing has already been attempted but failed to achieve what should be a clear cut case for merger. We certainly don't have that here, as you've made no attempt to combine these lists or even to propose it before starting these AFDs. And this list and the others are clearly of sufficient size to make keeping them separate a reasonable decision and thus not one that AFD should forcibly resolve. postdlf (talk) 15:52, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep As postdlf already stated nominator just copied and pasted from another deletion post. The honoary doctorate list adds information that's interesting and other colleges/universities have it too.
AlaskanNativeRU (
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Speedy keep. The nominator fails to put forth a rationale for deletion that is based on established policies or guidelines. --Kinut/c 05:35, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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The result was keep. Consensus is for article retention. North America1000 00:27, 3 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete/merge All of the entries are unsourced and contains puffery such as Dr. Ruth Prigozy, eminent Fitzgerald scholar and founder of the Fitzgerald Society. This list can easily be merged to either the main article or the "list of alumni article". Similar universities such as
Category:Syracuse University faculty have 159 articles,
Category:Fordham University faculty has 105 articles etc yet those universities have only one article "list of people" where they list all alumni, faculty and honorary degree recipients.
Notable Sweety (
talk) 05:50, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep, "almost all" ≠ "all", and there are obviously enough notable entries to justify a list as
Category:Hofstra University faculty has 38 articles apart from this list. postdlf (talk) 00:03, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
There's only six faculty listed here that have Wikipedia articles, and 32 more in the
Category:Hofstra University faculty. This list can easily be merged to either the main article or the "list of alumni article".
Category:Syracuse University faculty have 159 articles,
Category:Fordham University faculty has 105 articles etc yet those universities have only one article "list of people" where they list all alumni, faculty and honorary degree recipients. And no, the nomination is not copied and pasted, but the rationale for deletion/merged is the same.--
Notable Sweety (
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You posted identical rationales and only expanded them later (and expanded them with largely the same content). Whether you copied and pasted or manually retyped the same words is uninteresting. At any rate, merging ≠ deletion, and it's up to editor discretion as to whether it makes more sense to keep one master list of all notable people associated with this university or separate lists for faculty and alumni. "Puffery" and present unsourcing are completely irrelevant to either the question of deletion or merger, because AFD is
WP:NOTCLEANUP. postdlf (talk) 14:12, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep Agree with postdlf. Seems valuable. There's a lot of entries and just because it's not notable to you doesn't mean it's not actually notable.
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Speedy keep. The nominator fails to put forth a rationale for deletion that is based on established policies or guidelines. --Kinut/c 05:35, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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The result was delete. Reliable sources are king. They're missing here, so fails notability. --
RoySmith(talk) 13:01, 30 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Lack of reliable, independent sources. This article was nominated for deletion over a year ago and the close stated a lack of consensus. No productive edits have occurred since that time so I am renominating it.
LizRead!Talk! 00:30, 17 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Maybe delete - This would seem like it could be notable but I'm not finding many sources good aside from
here,
here and
here (and I searched, News, Books, browser, highbeam and thefreelibrary). Most of the results are self-authored and not much third-party or overall good coverage.
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Keep. It is always hard to find independent sources for people who work on the commercial side of computing rather than the academic side. While he is not as well known as
Steve McConnell or
Steve Maguire (there's an article that needs work), Pugh was a columnist in the 1990s for C User's Journal and C++ Journal. More recently his 2006 book Interface Oriented Design was reviewed in IEEE Micro. His other 2006 book, Prefactoring, won the Jolt award. His 2010 book, Lean-Agile Acceptance Test-Driven-Development, reviewed in SIGSOFT Software Engineering Notes, is cited in articles on Google Scholar even though it's a practitioners book.
StarryGrandma (
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That's because commercial computing people are less notable in general. Are there any secondary RS that talk about his column or the reviews of his books? Citations are not proof of notability. Significant coverage in independent secondary RS is.
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Delete — Fails
WP:AUTHOR; at best, the allegedly award-winning book, if the award is even notable, would be the candidate for an article. Some of the reviews cited are just one-offs of a particular book. Most of the others are blogs or promoting the release of a book. It's also a borderline
WP:G11 resume / CV. Otherwise, it's just a guy writing books about an otherwise-notable concept (
Agile or
Test-driven development), but he doesn't otherwise appear to be a widely-recognized, widely-cited expert, nor did he apparently originate any of the concepts he writes about. --
slakr\
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Keep As StarryGrandma. But Selected Reviews, Selected Conference Talks, Selected Citations and Selected Interviews should go as that what makes it borderline cv. --
Averater (
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Delete CV of a non-notable authour, fails
WP:GNG and [{WP:NAUTHOUR]].
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Delete From Swister Twister: "I searched, News, Books, browser, highbeam and thefreelibrary). Most of the results are self-authored and not much third-party or overall good coverage." the definition of non-notable. Fails GNG and AUTHOR.
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The result was no consensus.
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Keep: I think that this CBS article
[19] constitutes more than a passing mention, as the article's topic is a video made by this website (Rebel Pundit). This The Hill
[20] article is also more than a passing mention. These two secondary sources, coupled with the others in the article, lead me to think the website meets
WP:GNG.
Tucsontammy (
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These two sources discuss the video posted by the website, but hardly mention the website itself.
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Delete - only trivial mentions after the release of a single video, no more coverage of this website anywhere else before or after.
Kraxler (
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Delete - fails
WP:WEBCRIT: "The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works". This criteria excludes trivial mention, such as the current sources.
Mnnlaxer (
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How can one paragraph from one article be even remotely near the threshold of WEBCRIT?
Mnnlaxer (
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The whole article, not just one paragraph, is about Rebel Pundit's video.
Safehaven86 (
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Even granting that as true for the sake of argument, the Wikipedia article is about Rebel Pundit, not the video.
Mnnlaxer (
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Then I guess I'd say the coverage that the website's video received helped establish the notability of the website itself. FWIW, I added another source to the article as well
[22]. Like I said, IMO the coverage I've found squeaks this article past
WP:WEBCRIT.
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The article reads like a CV. Notability is not established. Citation sources are not notable (his university and related websites). The only links from other articles come from their Further Reading sections, all for the same book.
Labalius (
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Speedy keep. Nominator has clearly not paid any attention to
WP:PROF and has provided a faulty nomination statement — Incoming links and quality of sourcing are not notability criteria. Subject passes crieteria #C1 (highly cited publications
[23] in a low-citation field), #C3 (fellow of INFORMS), and #C5 (named chair at an R1 university). Any one of these would be enough. —
David Eppstein (
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Keep. Holder of a named chair at a major university. --
Necrothesp (
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Speedy Keep. Yes, I think it would be good form for the nom to withdraw. This one is just wasting editors' valuable time.
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Article about an unmade film that would have released in 1999. —
JJMC89 (
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According to
this, this article has been repeatedly recreated and deleted at AfD and if so, could be speedied. I'll ping @
Tokyogirl79:.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk) 02:03, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete and salt This article about a non-notable film project canceled 16 years ago. The article is packed full of rumors, poorly referenced and terribly written.
Cullen328Let's discuss it 04:43, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:PAGEDECIDE because Batman Triumphant is more known as part of the long development history of attempted Batman films between Schumacher and Nolan. It fits better in the context of
Batman in film#Proposals for fifth film than as a stand-alone article that unnecessarily mimics a film-article structure. There may be some attempted films with extensive and focused coverage that would warrant a stand-alone article, but I don't find this to be one of them.
Erik II (
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ping me) 19:37, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete and salt. Sometimes unmade films can become notable, but it's fairly rare. The coverage for this was pretty light and remains pretty light. That's why I'd deleted and salted
X-ManJoshua's first attempt to make this at
Batman Triumphant. This looks like it's actually somewhat of an attempt to avoid detection since X-ManJoshua didn't contact me about this and he also chose to list this at
Batman in film, rather than
Batman (1989 film series). (In other words, he used the "Main article: Batman Triumphant (Film)" template" at a different page than the one he originally listed, which shows me that he likely figured I'd have seen it and deleted it, so he went with another page.) X-ManJoshua, this is not the right way to go about creating this and I gave you a fairly good explanation of why I deleted this at
Talk:Batman_Triumphant. To sum it up here, ultimately it's that this unmade film lacks the coverage necessary to show that it merits its own article. Even
Superman Lives! doesn't have its own article and that has received far more coverage than this one did. (Although with the creation of the recent documentary, I think that SL might warrant its own page now.) Even the upcoming comic adaptation isn't really enough to warrant a page since the comic based upon Schumacher's vision for the entire series - it's not going to be a comic based on the unmade film per se. From the impression I've gotten it looks like it's going to be an entirely different beast entirely. When/if the comic comes out, that can have its own article (assuming it gains enough coverage) or at the very least, at the main page for the 1989 film series. This unmade film? This just doesn't have the coverage.
Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 04:03, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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The result was delete.
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Original research, paraphrased close to
[24], and containing lots of original research. Fails
WP:GNG,
WP:NOTESSAY,
WP:OR.
Joseph2302 (
talk) 00:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply Delete Mostly Original Research, a COI between the author and some sources cited, close paraphrase of the source. I would support the A11 tag that's been applied as well, as it sure seems to be discovered by the author and little RS to back it up. The sources that are there support things like how evap cooling works, architectural considerations, and the like.
CrowCaw 00:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete For reasons given above. Also, author also seems to be here to
advocate for this technology, instead of merely describing it (
[25][26]).
Ian.thomson (
talk) 01:15, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I agree, I'd support a delete and salt. I'd also support an A11, my AfD nomination edit-conflicted with the A11 nomination. They're clearly just here to promote their technology/industry, because it helps them as a leader in that industry.
Joseph2302 (
talk) 01:21, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
User talk:RHaworth is telling too, where he gets indignant and confirms that he wrote 80% of the Air2O paper which is then used as a source here.
CrowCaw 01:45, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
So they are here with just their own research then? Seems like an A11 to me then. Also, watch for socks- they are suspected of using socks to hinder the deletion of a previous version of this article.
Joseph2302 (
talk) 01:47, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep it I did not source the other article those 3 guys that i am sure they know each other said i copy it .. i didn't invent this technology I am expert on it — Preceding
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i would like you to See some expert on the subject matter not those 3 guys , 1st they try to say its copy righted , and when this didn't work they claim i invented , they are just doing whatever they can to delete me .. regardless if its right or wrong .. they just don't want any one but them
i am speaking about a well known technology that has been in the books since 1962 i have posted 2 articles about it ONE in USA 2004 and one in Hong kong 2014 ,
the article don't mention no company and yet they are trying COI , if the supject matter expert dont talk about what they know , who will some people has no idea about what they are saying Wikipedia is Free Encyclopedia it should have information about every thing that was the main reason for all this ... but i believe now it is being hijacked with some group of people that they are bias and they only want thier own stuff and no one else ....
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Comment This is the article creator, and on
User talk:RHaworth they said "80% of the paper of air2o was my work". Clearly they're lying somewhere, either here or there.
Joseph2302 (
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Comment the article is my work yes i wrote the article but its not my technology i didn't invented you just mad because some of admin remove your tag that you but at my page for speedy deletion and they clearly understand that its not my invention — Preceding
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No, if you'd read the first comment I made, it's a non-notable technology, and this article is an essay containing original research, which is true since you've admitted lots of the sources are your research (regardless of whether or not you created the technology).
Joseph2302 (
talk) 11:43, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment are you an engineer , I mean how do you know it non notable , i can tell you how many project in the world using this , how it is original research this technology in the
ASHRAE hand book since 1962 , before i was born and who said what Wikipedia only talking about popular things, this technology is valid vetted documented , so what is the problem for writing about it .. you are no expert in the subject and that's is very clear why you even tal;king about .. of course you are mad because they remove your crazy claim that I invented this technology or some one I know... did because i brought prove you guys don't like me that's all you and the other 2 guys ..
MoeSalem (
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Comment may i ask why you want it to be delted it , give your self chance to read , am iItalking about something doesn't exist?
MoeSalem (
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Seems like obvious sockpuppetry to me, I've opened an SPI.
Joseph2302 (
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wow that's just speak of who you are you just bias person and ..you just hate people can do any thing but i am sure there will be sensible admin who can really understand the value of this ..
MoeSalem (
talk) 13:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Nope, it's pretty common for people to create an article, and then when it's up for deletion to create multiple accounts to try and save it. And yes, ultimately it is an admin's decision, but no I'm not biased.
Joseph2302 (
talk) 13:20, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I think its very easy to prove that if i create this account of not , thats why i am not worry .. i think the technology allow us know now . and yes you are bias , 1st you accuse me that i violate copyright and when this didn't work you accuse me that its original research and when this didn't work you accuse i create different account ... look at you .. you are bias you just want the article to be deleted regardless ,, you have no logic you have no reason you just bias.. and if i am wrong why are you changing your reasons, why don't you stick with one .. why don't you give your self chance and read it to be fair but you don't know how to be
MoeSalem (
talk) 13:33, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
*keep itReally good article, its something we actually apply out here in the GCC & becoming more of a trend due to its high enthalpy efficiency & the its cost effectiveness in this region. Good article to create better awareness towards more sustainable & environment friendly approach to recovery.
AlenChrist (
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How has it been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent from the topic itself? Regardless of how useful it may be, or how good the article is,
That is the standard that must be met by any article to be included here.
CrowCaw 18:57, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
yes it has the problem is you and the other 2 guys , you are not an engineer you have no idea what this whole article is talking about your only and single goal is to delete it .. for your info yes it has been in the
ASHRAE hand book since 1962 before i was born, energy star website have a whole
article about water side cooling , again the problem is you and the other 2 guys . who doesn't understand any thing about our industry and they just try to impose what they think..... clearly you are bias .. give your self chance and read and may be you will learn something
MoeSalem (
talk) 20:16, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I've told you what is needed to keep the article. If you do that, then it may be kept. Do you wish to discuss the policies where this article is lacking, or would you rather persist in
ad hominem attacks against myself and others, whose backgrounds you know nothing of?
CrowCaw 21:25, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
°1st it is not your call it will be kept or not , and try to say something that really make sense , i might listen to you.. 1st you have to admit you are not an expert on the subject matter. this technology is well documented way before i was born , i brought sources what eles i need to do . and if you think you can help.. please do rather than trying to shut me down .. tell me what is the problem
MoeSalem (
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Keepit— Preceding
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Note to closing administrator. Please see
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Askandrany1. As I stated there, based on a CU, my strong belief is that all of the new accounts who have voted are meat puppets and affiliated with Air20.--
Bbb23 (
talk) 22:27, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
For all of guys you want to delet it have you bother reading the article ..why can't you try to help rather than destroy what he did wrong ..
Askandrany1 (
talk) 23:50, 25 June 2015 (UTC)reply
For you and your co-workers, why don't you try following any of the suggestions we've given? Such as finding independent sources about this topic -- not just sources for specific claims, but regarding the broader topic in general.
Ian.thomson (
talk) 00:00, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
See you mad becuse people starting to say no to you.. You didn't bother read the source it's been givin non by witch any one know any one but its all in you bais mind that's all people trying to cheat .. That's only tell one thing about you and your couple of guys .. Is it coincidence that all of you living in the same part of the world and the people you claim they know each other don't .. Wow ..
Askandrany1 (
talk) 01:44, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Actually, you seem to be
psychologically projecting because you're upset. People tell us "no" all the time, and we delete their articles anyway and block their accounts. Do you want to join their ranks, or do you want to do things the proper way? We require independent sources to prevent bias -- you and your co-workers insisting on using your own sources is biased.
As for accusations of "cheating," we've repeatedly linked to and explained the site's standards. The site's standards have existed long before you got here and will continue to exist long after you've given up. You are the one going against them, so you really are in no position to accuse anyone of cheating.
I live in
South Carolina,
User:RHaworth lives in London, and
User:Bbb23 lives in
California -- to claim that we're living in the same part of the world sounds desperate and foolish. Seriously, the distance between me, RHaworth, and Bbb23 is almost comparable to three people who live in Iran, Japan, and Alaska.
Now, do you want to do this like a grown-up professional, or do you want to be dismissed as yet another crank whose work we'll delete?
Ian.thomson (
talk) 02:09, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Can I add myself to this? I live in
Dorset,
England, which is about 100 miles from London and nowhere near America. Put simply, this isn't a co-ordination of users against you.
Joseph2302 (
talk) 11:28, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete Not an appropriate topic for an encyclopedia; essentially an essay. The close paraphrasing is also worrying, as are the various single-purpose accounts here. Wikipedia is not a publisher of papers or original thought. §
FreeRangeFrogcroak 16:58, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment. i brought 4 different sources talking and explaining the same technology and there is no way they could have known each other unless you accusing energy star be in this Global conspiracy you are clamming the fact of the matter that you guys know where you exactley lives it just mean you are buddies and one told other come lets try to delete that guy ...
see the proplem is not in the article or the source or the technology that I present in a very fair way the problem is your ignorance and your buddies by the subject matter but i have news flash for you . 1st its not up to you to delete it or not and i am not giving up , and i am sure like some sensible admin remove your malicious speedy deletion i am sure that some sensible admin who will read and will know that i am not bais and i am presenting a technology in very fair way listing its advantage and disadvantage and i am pining independent source to it
MoeSalem (
talk) 16:58, 27 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Four sources isn't enough to pass
WP:GNG necessarily, as 4 sources don't show "significant, independent coverage", as required by
WP:GNG. Also, this is written as an essay, not an encyclopedic article, see
WP:NOTESSAY. Lastly, stop calling people biased, it's a
personal attack, and is likely to get you blocked. Also, an admin, @
FreeRangeFrog: has already said it should be deleted, so I doubt you're going to find an admin wanting to keep it. Ignoring the meat/sockpuppetry, there's 1 keep vote from a single-purpose account, and lots of delete votes from established editors.
Joseph2302 (
talk) 17:04, 27 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment Cant you count i listed 7 and , and you are saying that United stats environmental protection agency e
nergy star program is not independent and
Texas Am university is not independent that just tell you how ignorant you are for the subject matter
MoeSalem (
talk) 17:16, 27 June 2015 (UTC)reply
The specific words "Water Side Evaporative Heat Recovery" appear nowhere in the Energy Star source, the Tamu.edu source, the cberd.org source, nor the Research gate source -- and those are the reliable ones. Even the unreliable ones fail to include the exact phrase. As
has been repeatedly explained for you, the source needs to be specifically about this topic, without interpretation or original research.
Ian.thomson (
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