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The result was delete. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:12, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Major League Baseball All-Star Games in Pittsburgh

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If Major League Baseball All-Star Games in the Los Angeles Area violates WP:NOTDIR, then so does Major League Baseball All-Star Games in Pittsburgh. I say if one stays, they both stay . . . if one is deleted, they both should be deleted. -- Andyhi18 ( talk) 01:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Weak keep. This is not WP:LISTCRUFT; see my explanation on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Major League Baseball All-Star Games in the Los Angeles Area. Change to delete. There are individual articles on those games already. Pointless to have this. — Timneu22 · talk 13:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. — Muboshgu ( talk) 15:00, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete If the explanation for why this isn't listcruft is that it's Pittsburgh rather than the Los Angeles area, I'm not convinced. In both this and the other article, there not much information imparted other than that we have links to articles about the All-Star games that were hosted in those areas. Short version-- the game was played in Pittsburgh in '44, '59, '74, '94 and '06. There is some trivia that's relevant to Pittsburgh itself, some mildly interesting a bicentennial celebration in 1959, and Pittsburghers singing along to O Canada, and some not (the Pirates are "the first team that has not moved to have hosted the game in three different stadiums"). Mandsford 16:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete At first I was thinking of a "weak keep" vote, but I just don't see anything so special about having an ASG in Pittsburgh that necessitates a page that simply lists the links with a brief description of each game. -- Muboshgu ( talk) 20:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Was just about to AFD this. Staxringold talk contribs 19:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete It's superfluous at best. Not to knock Pittsburgh or anything, but I never understood what was so special about the games being in Pittsburgh that it necessitated a separate article. What about the games played in New York or Chicago or St. Louis? A similar article with Los Angeles as the focus was also recently deleted. Bottom line: I don't see anything this article (or any article about ASGs in a particular area) could contain that could differentiate it from the individual game articles. -- Highway99 ( talk) 03:50, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Per reasons stated above. Darwin's Bulldog ( talk) 03:57, 14 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I agree with everyone else. I don't see what is so special about Pittsburgh that they deserve a special article. This article seems to elevate Pittsburgh and/or the Pirates above all other baseball teams and markets/cities. It was probably made by someone who loves the Pirates or Pittsburgh and has no special reason for people outside of that area. Crd721 ( talk) 22:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Jayjg (talk) 20:40, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

NBC logos

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Trivial fan-cruft. Not a single section is referenced, none of it is notable, none of it is verifiable, all of it original research. Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:59, 11 July 2010 (UTC) 23:59, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. It was created to keep NBC from being long. Georgia guy ( talk) 00:03, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Sub-page of main NBC page. Well done article which contains information apt to be of interest to Wikipedia users, thereby improving the Wikipedia experience. Whatever sourcing problems exist lie well within the principle of "correct-not-kill." Carrite ( talk) 05:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Does not look like a valid excuse to use 9 non-free images. Since none of it is source, how do we know any of it is valid and verifiable critical commentary? Mike  Allen 05:44, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: This article's been in existence for 5 years and the best sourcing we can come up with is five sources, two of which are primary sources, a fan site, and another encyclopedia? Umm, no. No justification for this overuse of fair use images, and it all smacks of original research. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 16:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
    • The "other encyclopaedia" is written by Les Brown, erstwhile television editor for Variety and media critic for the New York Times. You don't have much of a leg to stand on in questioning its reliability. And what's your justification for using "we" here? Where and how did you look for sources? You haven't mentioned doing that at all. Uncle G ( talk) 17:03, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
      • So I have to have actually worked on an article in order to vote on whether it should be deleted it or not? I didn't know that rule. I strike my vote. Thanks for the heads up, -- Hammersoft ( talk) 18:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
        • No, you don't have to have worked on the article to vote on it. Whether you work on it or not, !vote. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
          • Thank you. Then my point stands; if we (the community) haven't been able to find any more sources in five years than what is shown in this article, then this article is very unlikely to ever have significant sources to support it. And Uncle G, the one cite to an encyclopedia supports one sentence only, and that to support a release date of a particular logo. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 18:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment We should salvage this article and in order to do that we will need less original research and more verifiable sources. Otherwise, I can see why this article could be deleted. Bossanueva ( talk) 22:35, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - There were five references in the article when it was nominated, including a television encyclopedia, so the nominator's claim that "not a single section is referenced" is quite dubious. I've also discovered that there are plenty of contemporary sources, such as the periodicals Broadcasting and Variety, which are not freely available on the web, which cover network advertising campaigns, trademarks, and logos. I am confident that many sources are out there, but I am not confident they will all be found by someone just sitting behind a computer screen, at least not without access to Lexis/Nexis and/or various magazine archives. And information about NBC logos is quite verifiable, at the very least by primary sources such as video recordings and printed advertising materials, as well as numerous independent sources. "NBC peacock" alone gets thousands of book search results to look through, and one can find a few book and magazine sources about the twin trapezoids as well. DHowell ( talk)
  • Keep. Reasons are popular culture, verifiable and factual. This type of content is what distinguishes Wikipedia. AWHS ( talk) 11:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Nomination rationale is completely incorrect - there are several sources listed, including a print encyclopedia. Edward321 ( talk) 15:42, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. no arguments for deletion MINUS the nom JForget 01:11, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

American Broadcasting Company logos

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Trivial fan-cruft. Not a single section is referenced, none of it is notable, none of it is verifiable, all of it original research. Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC) 23:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Keep - As with the NBC logos above, this is a useful addition to the history of a very important American company. Separation from main page helps keep things short enough to be read, presence on Wikipedia adds interest and information. Any sourcing issues seem clearly a "correct-not-kill" matter... Carrite ( talk) 05:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I've made a modest start at finding some news and book sources for this article, by just from a few things I've found from a couple of Google searches. I've also discovered that there are plenty of contemporary sources, such as the periodicals Broadcasting and Variety, which are not freely available on the web, which cover network advertising campaigns, trademarks, and logos. I am confident that many sources are out there, but I am not confident they will be found by someone just sitting behind a computer screen, at least not without access to Lexis/Nexis and/or various magazine archives. And by the way there were references in the article when it was nominated, even if they were just websites. And information about ABC logos is quite verifiable, at the very least by primary sources such as video recordings and printed advertising materials. DHowell ( talk) 05:27, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The same comment applies to the 9 other slogans listed for WP:AfD on this log WP:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2010_July_11. This is WP:POPCULTURE. This type of content is what distinguishes Wikipedia from more traditional encyclopedias and there is general consensus (I believe) to encourage this type of content. The slogans are verifiable and factual - and of genuine interest (to some). The logo and slogan/ tagline can be verified at the Internet archive. Finding refs and citations for these slogans is something that can be fixed. WP:GNG states If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. Notability for this type of material can be verified by non-trivial mentions in secondary sources. AWHS ( talk) 12:11, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. JForget 01:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

List of television news music packages

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Trivial fan-cruft. Not a single section is referenced, none of it is notable, none of it is verifiable, all of it original research. Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC) 23:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  06:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply

List of Apple Inc. slogans

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Trivial fan-cruft. Not a single section is referenced, none of it is notable, none of it is verifiable, all of it original research. Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:56, 11 July 2010 (UTC) 23:56, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • No, there are many thousands of sources out there. I cited just the first entry because it was the first, not because that was all that is possible. I specifically stated that there were many sources and you have misrepresented my statement. To confirm the truth of my statement, I have added some more sources - easy work which you could have done yourself if you had performed the due diligence required by our deletion process. In your nomination, you stated that the article had no sources. This was also a misrepresentation as the article had two sources at that time, both of which stand up when checked. It seems that you are making false claims due to lack of proper care. This is disruption. Colonel Warden ( talk) 09:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • I would be happy to argue from evidence if you would supply some. If you have thousands of sources at your fingertips, certainly it would be easier to provide a few rather than continuing to argue and avoid the issue. In particular, I think we need some sources that discuss these slogans as a group, not a thousand sources that mention each slogan individually. SnottyWong yak 16:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • The sources you have provided each discuss 2 or 3 slogans, at best. I have not seen any sources which discuss and analyze "Apple slogans" as a group, where "Apple slogans" is the main subject of the source, or is at least significantly discussed and not just mentioned in passing. You are attempting to substantiate the notability of the slogans by piecing together multiple sources which mention them separately, which is a kind of synthesis. I am not making demands of you, I am simply suggesting that your argument is lacking evidence to back it up, and that if you'd like your argument to make more sense you should probably prove that such sources exist. SnottyWong verbalize 17:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • You are abusing our synthesis policy by making a false claim that the article is constructing a synthetic conclusion from multiple sources. The article does nothing of the kind - it just lists the stated slogans in a matter-of-fact way and there is no conclusion or theory stated. Colonel Warden ( talk) 19:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • A title change such as you suggest would be performed using the move function, not by deletion. Our deletion policy is that If the article can be fixed through normal editing, then it is not a good candidate for AfD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colonel Warden ( talk • contribs) 10:06, 13 July 2010
  • This is a common argument of yours, and it is unhelpful in most cases, including this one. The article is already at AfD, and attempting to invalidate the discussion every time someone suggests that the article be moved, merged, or redirected (basically anything other than keep or delete) is not going to accomplish anything. The opinion of SharkxFanSJ is that the article should be deleted, but he is offering an alternate solution to the problem and a possible option of keeping all or part of the article under a different title. Perhaps you should review the AfD Guide to Deletion more thoroughly, particularly the part which shows that !votes other than Keep or Delete are perfectly valid. SnottyWong converse 15:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • The point of AFD is to control the use of the delete function which is specially restricted. This is a simple binary decision which becomes quite confused if it is muddled with content-editing considerations which have infinite variety. In this case, User:SharkxFanSJ seems to suggest that we should move some or all of the content to the new title, History of Apple advertising. This is a reasonable suggestion but would not require use of the delete function. The point of the policy cited is that, when we are are able to improve the article by ordinary editing then we do not delete it. If we delete the article then it is gone and resurrection is complicated by the loss of the edit history and the resulting lack of attribution per our licence. Please see WP:MAD for a fuller explanation. So, I comment on this in detail lest the closing admin misunderstand the headline !vote of Delete and not realise that the user is, in fact, suggesting that we retain some or all of the material, which would be a variety of Keep. Misunderstandings of this sort are sadly common here and so you can expect to see this explained repeatedly. Colonel Warden ( talk) 17:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • If the point of AfD is a binary decision, then you should probably gain consensus to change the instructions at Wikipedia:Guide to deletion#Recommendations and outcomes, which offers quite a few different decisions than keep or delete. For the record, this editor's !vote was to Delete, first and foremost, with a suggestion that it might be possible to salvage some of the content by moving it to an article with a different scope. I don't see why this is so confusing for you. SnottyWong gossip 17:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Given that every entry that I've looked at has been easy to verify, your vote seems absurdly counterfactual. Please provide some examples of unverifiable content and explain why we can't just remove that and leave the verified material. Our editing policy, states clearly that we should try to preserve what we can. Colonel Warden ( talk) 18:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Since you have only added 9 referenced to the 100+ (but probably more) slogans on the page, it seems like you are doing alot of hand waving then actually adding these references you have claimed to have found. If you have references, add them already...otherwise, you are just putting up alot of smoke and mirrors to cover up a really bad excuse for an article. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Is there some particular slogan that you would like sourcing? Sources are not required for everything in Wikipedia - only for disputed or extraordinary statements. Many or most articles in Wikipedia have fewer sources than this one and we don't delete them all - we retain them for improvement in accordance with our editing policy. Colonel Warden ( talk) 19:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • I'd actually be satisfied if you produced a source or two which establish the notability of Apple advertising slogans in general, rather than producing a thousand sources which prove the existence of each individual slogan. Such sources would prove that this article is not in violation of WP:NOTDIR, and therefore should be kept. Sourcing every last entry, however, is not a necessary prerequisite for keeping an article at AfD, Neutralhomer. The only sources we need are those that prove the notability of the subject per WP:GNG. SnottyWong yak 20:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • No, it just means there limit to how much time I'm prepared to waste on this volunteer effort - please see WP:BATTLE and WP:INSPECTOR. But I have added yet another source which, as part of a general history of Apple, lists a bunch of slogans in much the same style that we do here. It's Alex Brooks (2006), Happy 30th Birthday, 1996 – 2006, World of Apple — Q.E.D. Colonel Warden ( talk) 08:29, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per lack of verifiable sources. If we were to remove all the unsourced ones (which we should immediately do if this does get kept anyways), we wouldn't have much of anything. Anything remotely useable (and just listing slogans isn't actually a narrative that's useful) can be incorporated into Apple Inc. advertising or even Apple design motifs if it fits. Some slogans can be notable (" Think Different" as we can see) but that's better here that done this way. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 01:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • The point is that the articles should be considered as a set. If some consolidation or restructuring seems appropriate then this can be performed by ordinary editing - merger and the like. It is our editing policy to keep the good bits such as the sourcing which the list contains. Colonel Warden ( talk) 10:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • delete: wikipedia is not a directory. No sources to establish the notability of this list topic. And even then, the entries are inappropriate, borderlining on promotional material for the company covered. 24.114.232.33 ( talk) 16:03, 16 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Type almost any one of these slogans into a Google News Archive search and I'll bet you come up with a few reliable sources for each one. Especially the iPod and iPhone ones. Colonel Warden only came up with 9 sources because he probably only had time to source the first 9 entries. And the notability of Apple's slogans as a whole should be as plainly obvious as is the notability of the advertising campaigns of any large company. DHowell ( talk) 05:55, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Our core policy states "Editors might object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references. It has always been good practice to make reasonable efforts to find sources oneself that support such material, and cite them." Please tell us of the reasonable efforts which you have made in accordance with this and our other policies. Colonel Warden ( talk) 08:32, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Sources are trivially findable. Neutralhomer, this is not it works. If you can't be bothered to {{ sofixit}}, then tag it {{ cn}}. "Afd is not for cleanup". You don't challlenge people to "provide me with those 87 sources or else I demand this article should be deleted", this is considered disruptive. Your reasons are WP:VAGUEWAVE, at least think different and get a mac are notable to the point or having their own article, several others could, it is not unverifiable and it is not wp:original research, I refer to the in a nutshell.

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  • Comment. One of the references [3] for this page is a book (written by a university professor) with a central theme being the analysis of one of these slogans. Therefore WP:Notability is beyond doubt. They almost certainly all pass the WP:V criteria. There are undoubtedly other references, many of these are famous. AWHS ( talk) 09:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Merge to Apple Inc. advertising. I note that we do have several other articles like this - Coca-Cola slogans, for example - but I don't think any of them are really encyclopaedic content. All this is is what the name says - a list of slogans. This content would be better covered as part of the general article on Apple advertising, which could mention the most notable and influential slogans without indiscriminately listing every single one. Robofish ( talk) 15:06, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Apple advertising slogans are a notable part of pop culture and a list of then fully comports with the WP:LIST policy. Admittedly, the article lacks sourcing, but that's a separate issue. Wikipedia's verifiability policy allows (if not encourages) the deletion of most of the article pending proper sourcing, but the topic is notable and a list should be kept even if it has to be stubbed for the time being.-- Pink Bull 23:12, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Spartaz Humbug! 07:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply

List of Network Ten slogans

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Trivial fan-cruft. Not a single section is referenced, none of it is notable, none of it is verifiable, all of it original research. Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC) 23:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • I picked one entry at random and checked it, the "Keep Your Eye On The 0" and had no difficulty verifying it at [5], so I will add a "Cite web". WP:AFD states that "When nominating due to sourcing or notability concerns, make a good-faith attempt to confirm that such sources don't exist.". Clearly this article is lacking refs but WP:SOFIXIT please instead of nominating for AfD. AWHS ( talk) 09:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. JForget 00:23, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

St. Anger II

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Hoax. Although it is true that there was a lot of material left over from St. Anger, there is no evidence that a release of any of this material is pending. -- Bongwarrior ( talk) 23:40, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Could it be possible? Maybe, but I think someone got overly excited and made this article. 24.226.60.46 ( talk) 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. JForget 01:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

NetDog

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Fails WP:N. Zilkane ( talk) 23:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. no arguments for deletion MINUS the nom JForget 01:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Ashlee Baracy

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Fails WP:GNG as well as WP:BLP1E. Nymf hideliho! 22:29, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Keep Beauty pageant contestants are notable, there are groups, templates, categories, and WikiProjects related to their use. There are hundreds of biography articles for beauty pageant contestants and this one is no less notable than any of the others. Unless you are going to delete every single article about a beauty pageant contestant, leave it alone. Ejgreen77 talk 19:20, 11 July 2010

Keep Major beauty pageant winners at the state level are commonly considered notable; nearly half the competitors listed at Miss America 2009 have wikilinks to their own articles. I have added references to this article to demonstrate notability. -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:06, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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Laique Rehman

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The result was delete. JForget 01:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

China Hong Kong Society for Trenchless Technology

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notable? i dunno, kinda doubt it. discussion is nice, what's your opinion? SchmuckyTheCat ( talk) 22:15, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. Appears to fail [WP:CORP]] with no significant third-party coverage that I can find. They organize a conference every couple of years. It's not enough. An article on ISTT (the International Society for Trenchless Technology) mught be in order. Herostratus ( talk) 06:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. JForget 01:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

United kingdom radio

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Non-notable internet radio station; contested prod. You would think a name like this would at least come up in Gnews, but it doesn't. Erpert (let's talk about it) 22:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete on WP:BLP grounds. The timing of this is just blatant. Mosaheed ( talk · contribs) creates a puff piece in November 2009. The fraud trial hits the news on 2009-12-12. One day later, Mosaheedvictim ( talk · contribs) is here turning this into a request for Wikipedia readers to telephone the police. Then the two of them edit war about it. The reports of the trial, on CBC News, the Globe and Mail, and elsewhere, say nothing useful for a biography. Obviously, given the accusations, no content supplied by Mosaheed ( talk · contribs) can be considered to be even remotely trustworthy. The content supplied by Mosaheedvictim ( talk · contribs) is no better, either and is wholly unencyclopaedic. There is zero content and zero edit history here from anyone that can be remotely trusted or that is worth preserving. Uncle G ( talk) 21:00, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Mo Saheed

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Unsourced BLP with conflicts of interest running amok in the history. It was recently cleaned up, but as a result has been chopped down to zero independent sources (the only sources are not only not independent, but are also just "coming soon" pages). Additionally, I don't feel this person meets WP:GNG (and appears to have some indications of a WP:BLP1E). Shirik ( Questions or Comments?) 18:47, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was Already deleted by speedy G7. Some Wiki Editor ( talk) 19:33, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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Contested PROD. Non-notable sport. Can find only two google hits on this subject, one of which is Wikipedia. When challenged the creator of the article responded on the talk page that the reason why there are so few google hits is because the sport has only just been invented. role player 18:22, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy deleted; no reason for discussion to continue. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz ( talk) 14:45, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Drafted 3

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Appears to be non-notable gay porn film. Article has no sources except for own website and IMD. Doesn't appear notable enough for article. Also contains

Most think of Mason as a piggy, hungry bottom boy. But he's also one hell of a top with a big thick uncut cock. Mason's proven himself to be a hot recruit, and we close out his Drafted series with one of the hottest scenes he's ever done yet!

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Delete, should be speedied as both spam and copyvio. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz ( talk) 02:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. JForget 01:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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WP:N, WP:V. Can't find reliable secondary sources for the editor or the tabloid itself, a few wikis, a few mirrors. Looked through Gweb, Gnewsarchives, Gbooks. Unsourced for 2+ years. j⚛e decker talk 17:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep and move to Vardevaq. Withdrawn, given evidence from cab. Thank you. Jujutacular  T ·  C 02:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Vardough

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Article on a village with no references. I was unable to find any verification of its existence. Of course, if verification of it arises, it can be speedy kept. Otherwise it should be deleted. Jujutacular  T ·  C 17:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Delete. I'd guess that this is Vardevaq (or Vardūq, as the GEOnet Names Server calls it) based on the location, but unless there's a source, that can't really be proven. Since practically everything in the article is unsourced/unverifiable anyway, nothing will be lost by deleting this article and creating one for Vardevaq. (If anyone finds a source for the name Vardough, the article should just be moved.) TheCatalyst31 Reaction• Creation 23:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Keep and rename Place with this name seems to exist, there's a Persian Wikipedia page on it [8] and a reasonable number of "natural" GHits mentioning it in Persian(e.g. not just endless lists of placenames copied and recopied from geographic databases, like in the English hits). "Vardough" is a slightly odd but certainly reasonable transcription of that (transcribing "و" as "ou" instead of "u", and "ق" as "gh" instead of "q"). cab ( talk) 00:30, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. JForget 01:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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Evening. I am concerned that this does not meet the criteria for notability. There is no information provided by anything other than the beliefof notability of the subject himself, who appears to have created the article. "International" is not expanded upon and only work in native country is listed. Zero google or google news hits of relevance that I can see, no third party information to comment on or confirm notability or nature of the mentioned seminars and workshops. I believe borderline failure of GNG, and seek consensus. S.G.(GH) ping! 16:42, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. JForget 01:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Vaishnavar

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Article is unreferenced and does not meet WP:FILMNOT. I had also previously tagged the article with a PROD but the author deleted it, so I'm listing it here. elektrik SHOOS 16:29, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. Seems like a hoax to me. — fetch · comms 20:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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This actor's main accomplishment is an appearance in a film which hasn't been released. She may well become notable when her film comes out... or she might not... or maybe the movie will never come out. In any case, I think we should wait until after she is notable to write an article about her. FisherQueen ( talk · contribs) 16:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. Seems like a hoax to me. — fetch · comms 20:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

The cursed library

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This movie does not exist yet; if and when it does, we'll be better able to determine whether it meets Wikipedia's notability criteria. FisherQueen ( talk · contribs) 16:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete ( G3, hoax) by Anthony Appleyard. Non-admin closure. -- Pgallert ( talk) 13:57, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Charles Anaghwilliam

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Sending this to AfD rather than speedy or prop'd because if I'm seeing this correctly I'd like to recommend not just deletion but salting. Not only can I find no references myself via Google News/Books/Web for teh person (other than WP mirrors, etc.) but of the sources shown, the ones I can search via Google Books also do not include the name of the author. Looking at the article history, it was created and largely maintained by two accounts that have edited only this article and articles linking to it, at least a COI, but quite possibly part of the hoax I believe this to be. Looking at the talk page for the original author, I see an indication that it was marked for speedy deletion because of G4 (prior deletion), I don't know if that was AfD or what. Looking at the article on the company that the article claims the subject was an investor in, I see that George Martin's partner in building that company was someone with an entirely different name.

Anyway, I think it's not just an unsourcable article, but an unsourcable and likely hoax article that to all appearences has been deleted at least twice in the past. j⚛e decker talk 16:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Delete and salt. Clearly a hoax. The "sources" listed in the article have nothing to do with its purported subject, and none of the google searches turn out anything relevant and verifiable. Nsk92 ( talk) 06:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • The last claimed reference (which is an URL and not a book) nowhere mentions "Charles Anaghwilliam". That alone is enough for me: Speedy delete as a hoax and re-creation of a deleted article, and protect. - Mike Rosoft ( talk) 08:56, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. JForget 01:04, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Dana Levenson

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Subject appears to be non-notable ordinary news presenter at CFTO-TV. Only reference is her page at the news company. Cannot find substantial coverage of her alone. SPA creator. Christopher Connor ( talk) 15:25, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Courcelles ( talk) 09:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply

DXDM

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Appears to be non-notable radio station in Phillipines. Article has no sources. Hard to find info on it but few Google hits. Created by possible sockpuppet (says so on their page). Many other articles like this and unsure of their notability. Christopher Connor ( talk) 15:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Keep - per 2 comments. Maybe it's off the air same as DWDM-FM. - Gabby 14:16, 14 June 2010 (PST)

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The result was keep. no arguments for deletion MINUS the nom JForget 01:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Likhterman

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Contested prod. Subject is Russian doctor (1902 - 1967). Not wholly convinced of notability so bringing to afd. Could not find any reliable sources but that may be because subject died a long time ago. Article mentions a book about subject but could find mention of it. Obscure mention in the book World directory of physical medicine specialists. SPA. Christopher Connor ( talk) 14:56, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

The editor who has launched the article has been in touch with me and I will be making a couple changes, including the title. Please give this article a little time, new editor from Russia. Carrite ( talk) 02:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Now that I'm working on the piece, I see that Likhterman is the subject of a book published in Moscow in 2002: A Man of Light. The Centennial of Professor Boleslav V. Likhterman. This would seem to strongly bolster the case for notability. I'll see if I can accentuate his importance in the rewrite. Carrite ( talk) 03:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I ran a Google search for "B.V. Likhterman" this morning and it does indeed seem that there is enough material in the ether to constitute notability. GOOGLE QUERY. Carrite ( talk) 14:33, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep. The article certainly needs some clean-up but the subject does appear notable. There was a detailed biographical article about him [14] (in Russian) in 2003 in a webmagazine 'Notes on Jewish History'. I have added it to the list of refs. That article also mentions that in 2002 a book of memoirs (recollections by various other medical researchers about his life and work) about him was published in Russia, dedicated to his 100th anniversary. The book was already listed in the References section (A Man of Light: For the Centennial of Professor Boleslav V. Likhterman). Ordinarily, a book like that would certainly justify a solid keep, but it was edited by his son, Leonid Likhterman (apparently also a notable medical researcher), which somewhat depreciates its value as an independent source. Still, according to this library catalog [15], the book is 495 pages long, so I assume it includes chapters by quite a few people who are independent of the subject. Also, I added a ref [16] to a 1967 obituary about him in a Russian medical journal (of which, however, he was an editor, which again somewhat deprecates the value of this ref). Still, all in all, I think there is enough here to pass WP:BIO, even if the case is not strong. Nsk92 ( talk) 06:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 01:50, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Michael McDonald (fighter)

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Not to be confused with Michael McDonald (kickboxer), this McDonald is not notable, IMO: fails WP:MMANOT, very little coverage on Google (most is about the kickboxer), only a handful of fights in non-notable local/regional promotions against non-notable opponents. -- TreyGeek ( talk) 14:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Article has no independent sources and subject fails WP:GNG and WP:MMANOT. The article describes him as fighting in local promotions. Non-notable at this time. Papaursa ( talk) 17:16, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Granted I got a little lazy creating the article, only because I started not feeling well. The article will be improved in a matter of a week. Now reasons to keep: McDonald is a huge named prospect and will likely sign with the WEC in a matter of months. He has defeated two very notable fighters, has a great grappling pedigree, a brown belt in BJJ, a ton of MMA and kickboxing experience, and currently holds a title in a mid sized organization. You can delete it, but it's gonna get brought back within a few months when a huge promotions scoops him up. RapidSpin33 ( talk) 17:56, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
You'll notice I said "at this time". You may well be right, but WP:CRYSTAL says we can't assume that. His title is from a non-notable local promotion. Papaursa ( talk) 23:52, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Move to Creme Puff (cat). King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:40, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Creme Puff

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Biography of dead cat which was, at one time, the oldest cat in the world. Half the article is currently about a different cat. This will likely never be more than a stub, unless Creme Puff is re-animated and does something notable. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 13:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Keep (but move to Creme Puff (cat)). Anyone who has ever owned a cat or known someone who did would consider it remarkable that a cat lived 38 years, and the fact that it was written about by Guinness and profiled on CNN essentially meets the requirement for significant coverage in reliable and verifiable sources. It appears that the reason for deletion isn't that the cat is non-notable, but rather that "this will likely never be more than a stub". Sorry, that's not a reason to delete. Mandsford 15:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Merge or Delete - Information about "oldest cat ever recorded" to cat. It is asinine having a biography of a cat written under the cat's name. Wikipedia is not a memorial, etc. Carrite ( talk) 16:16, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, as Mandsford suggests. It's the oldest cat ever, after all - notable by anyone's standard - and if someone (probably not me) had the inclination, this article could be fleshed out with a little research. As for Carrite's assertion that it is "asinine" to have a biography of a cat under a cat's name, well, I think Hodge, Scarlett, and Saliega, among dozens of others, would surely disagree. -- Seduisant ( talk) 00:55, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep Short articles are quite acceptable in any encyclopedia and are preferable to the wall-of-text style. The topic is notable and no policy-based reason to delete has been provided. Colonel Warden ( talk) 05:16, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I hope the good deletionist clan will get their axes sharpened... Carrite ( talk) 05:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Keep No doubt oldest cat should have article, verifiable reliable sources exist walk victor falk talk 10:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. JForget 01:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

The Greatest Loser

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Article does not state what 'the greatest loser' is. There is no lead, categories, reference, or anything that would tell the reader what on earth it's talking about. Kayau Voting IS evil 12:56, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Comment: I think this is about some ghastly TV show where contestants have to see who can lose the most weight. I think I have seen some (derisive) coverage of this somewhere. I don't know if it is notable, but I guess it might be, so I have taken the speedy deletion tag off. I will see what I can find out. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 14:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Hmmm. It seems that there are multiple weight loss competitions which use this name although shows called " The Biggest Loser" are a much more notable TV franchise (which is probably what I was thinking of when I mentioned remembering it getting coverage). I am not sure which competition this article refers to, it might not even be a televised one. The currency of the prize is listed as B$, which would suggest either Bahamian dollars or Brunei dollars. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 14:56, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete if no reliable references or context are apparent by the close. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 14:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I'm gathering that The Greatest Loser may be the British version of The Biggest Loser (A weight of 140 is great if you're talking about lbs. and not go great if you're talking kg). Still, this is apparently someone's scorecard for this season's contestants, and few reality shows merit that type of coverage. Mandsford 15:12, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
The British version of The Biggest Loser is The Biggest Loser (UK TV series) so it must be somewhere else where both metric measurements and bad TV are prevalent. That could be most of the rest of the world. The currency on the prize being B$ is the closest thing we have to a clue. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 17:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Sorry. That was my fault. I took speedy deletion off it because I confused it with the more notable franchise. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 17:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
i understand. we are all human. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 05:51, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy Delete. Not only is this page completely unsourced, it also lacks a lot of important details that are needed to establish sufficient context for readers. Furthermore, I ran several Google queries and was unable to find sufficient reliable coverage of this subject. -- SoCalSuperEagle ( talk) 19:12, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. This isn't even an article; all it is is a chart. Erpert (let's talk about it) 22:01, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Snow Delete I assume this refers to some version of the "Biggest Loser" television series, but a Google search using "loser" and some of the names did not succeed in finding out which one. As it stands, both unverified and incomprehensible. -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. no arguments for deletion MINUS the nom JForget 00:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

List of neighborhoods in Harlem

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Consists, at present, only redlinks, and the scope may be too narrow. Kayau Voting IS evil 12:53, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

to clarify, even if the redlinked neighborhoods never have references, and get deleted, the remaining ones are still notable, so i think this should stand even if the content of the original article is removed. and thanks for acknowledging what i did (not too hard of course). Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 21:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. JForget 00:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Kalyan Group

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Contested prod. Textile and jewelry company in India. Slightly promotional, all references are primary except for one in Malayalam which looks like a press release. Delete unless someone can come up with adequate sources, even if they are not in English.  Blanchardb - Me• MyEars• MyMouth- timed 12:52, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Kerala dailies have less news on business. So even yoy exclude banks, so have less news articles publised in Malyalam dailes. Textile and jewelry companies are same like Tata and Ambani. Only change is that these people sell oil, polyster, car etc. It may have less prominence beacuse Kerala is not a business society but a remitance society. So you can't find less news in newspapers and websites.

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The result was delete. JForget 00:46, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Guardians of Ga'Hoole Book 1: The Capture

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The references supplied do not add significant coverage of the individual books. The series is notable but not the individual instalments. I am nominating the remaining individual articles as per WP:Articles for deletion/Guardians of Ga'Hoole Book 11: To Be a King –– Jezhotwells ( talk) 11:53, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

These articles consist of a short plot summary with little else. All of this could be succinctly summarized in the article on the series. –– Jezhotwells ( talk) 12:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. A lot of WP:ATA on the keep side. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:38, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Health Libraries Wiki of Canada - HLWiki Canada

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Non-notable website, no reliable sources cited. A little bit spammy. J Milburn ( talk) 10:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

We don't actually focus on "importance" so much as notability, verifiability and neutral point of view. Orderinchaos 10:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
That said, article needs to be retitled to one name or the other, with the second name being established as a redirect page to the first. This is, of course, a very easy and quick fix. Carrite ( talk) 05:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
On what are you basing your assertion that this is important? I'm not seeing any decent sourced cited. J Milburn ( talk) 09:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Is basically a corporate statement of purpose mixed with a press release (it's not strictly speaking advertising, but falls within the same ambit for our purposes) - fails WP:ORG and therefore WP:N, and is almost entirely sourced to primary sources. Orderinchaos 10:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Fails WP:WEB. Sure the site may be comprehensive and academic and many other sites link to it, but where's the sources that are about the site itself? where's the reviews from popular magazines and newspapers? where's all the awards it's won? -- œ ™ 19:27, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. JForget 00:45, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Ronald Romanovsky

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No significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Reads like self-promotion. Sole Soul ( talk) 10:40, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Delete. Could not find secondary sources; can't establish notability. Piano tech 12:22, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. JForget 00:44, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

William G. Wells

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Unable to find any sources establishing notability Hallucegenia ( talk) 09:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy deleted. The article has been speedy deleted per CSD G12. (Non-admin closure) -- SoCalSuperEagle ( talk) 22:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Hybrid Offshore-wind and Tidal Turbine Generation System

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This appears to be an abstract for an paper which is not on Wikipedia. Bringing it here for discussion. (The author has also made several near-identical articles about similar topics. I'll list them all here after I've found them all and tagged them with Afds.) elektrik SHOOS 09:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy deleted. The article has been speedy deleted per CSD G12. (Non-admin closure) -- SoCalSuperEagle ( talk) 22:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Hybrid offshore wind energy

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This appears to be an abstract for an paper which is not on Wikipedia. Bringing it here for discussion. (The author is also creating several near-identical articles about similar topics. I will list them all here once I've rounded them all up and tagged them all with Afd.) elektrik SHOOS 09:12, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy deleted. The article has been speedy deleted per CSD G12. (Non-admin closure) -- SoCalSuperEagle ( talk) 22:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Hybrid tidal energy

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This appears to be an abstract for an paper which is not on Wikipedia. Bringing it here for discussion. elektrik SHOOS 09:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy deleted. The article has been speedy deleted per CSD G12. (Non-admin closure) -- SoCalSuperEagle ( talk) 22:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Hybrid tidal

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This appears to be an abstract for an paper which is not on Wikipedia. Bringing it here for discussion. (This also appears to be a near-exact duplicate of several other similar articles which I will list here and on the other Afds after I've rounded them all up.) elektrik SHOOS 09:10, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy deleted. The article has been speedy deleted per CSD G12. (Non-admin closure) -- SoCalSuperEagle ( talk) 22:35, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Hybrid offshore wind

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This appears to be an abstract for an paper which is not on Wikipedia. Bringing it here for discussion. elektrik SHOOS 09:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Include in this discussion clone articles
Hybrid tidal
Hybrid tidal energy -- mboverload @ 09:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. JForget 00:40, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Fabia (Ugly Betty)

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No reliable sources attest to the independent notability of this minor fictional character. Fails WP:GNG and WP:PLOT. Character is already covered in appropriate detail in the character list article, there is no sourced information and the article's name is a highly implausible search term, so no redirect or merge is needed. Are You The Cow Of Pain? ( talk) 04:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. no arguments for deletion MINUS the nom JForget 00:40, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Fontana Amorosa

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Non-notable, nearly contextless, few reliable source avalible that give any more information, contested PROD Ronk01 talk, 03:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

My concern is that there is little or no opportunity for expansion, the geographical feature is non-notable and the creator has a history of creating these ultra stubs (take a look at his talkpage) There is no Featured Article potential, or even article potential here. Ronk01 talk, 14:04, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

*Delete Per my comments above. Ronk01 talk, 14:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC) Duplicate !vote (!voter is the nominator) -- Cyclopia talk 14:48, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. no arguments for deletion MINUS the nom JForget 00:39, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Ceremony (punk band)

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Fails WP:BAND as no significant reliable sources can be found for this band. Notability is not established as only unsourced trivial claims are made in the article. And while an eventual editor may try to claim it meets one of the criteria for WP:BAND, the first criteria ([the article has been ] "the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable") is not met and should be used to judge this debate. -- moreno oso ( talk) 03:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

See also Billboard - #18 in 'Top Internet' albums chart, #49 in 'Top Heatseekers', Sputnik Music staff review, Allmusic review, Exclaim! article.-- Michig ( talk) 06:54, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. no arguments for deletion MINUS the nom JForget 00:11, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Answer (comics)

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Fictional characters who fail WP:GNG - no significant coverage in reliable independent sources. Google finds nothing adequate for either of them - [39], [40]. Furthermore per WP:MOSFICTION and WP:PLOT, this sort of excessive in-universe description is inappropriate. Claritas § 23:08, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

There needs to be significant coverage in multiple reliable independent sources to substantiate notability. Claritas § 18:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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  • Neutral - if there are sources, great, if not, delete, but the notion that every single character in the Marvel Universe is automatically notable because Spider-Man and the FF are notable is patently wrong and not a valid justification for keeping. Are You The Cow Of Pain? ( talk) 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Clans (BattleTech). King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Clan Jade Falcon

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Disputed prod. Prod was "No independent sources indicating notability", removed because "external links prove notability." Only source is the company's website, for what I can tell. Ricky81682 ( talk) 18:50, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Clans (BattleTech). King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:35, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Clan Wolf

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Disputed prod. Prod was "No independent sources indicating notability", removed because "external links prove notability." I still don't see any independent reliable sources but reviewing the links,

  • 1 cannot load but because Tierranet looks like a typical domain provider, I'm not sure that's going to be a WP:RS.
  • 2 is a just a personal website, not a RS.
  • 3 seems to be a sort of unauthorized fan page about designing the figures.
  • 4 is a dead link now, so ignored.
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The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:22, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Mr. B The Gentleman Rhymer

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I speedied this and then restored it in response to doubts raised on my talk page. It's unclear to me whether this meets our notability guideline for musicians, as I can't find more than passing mentions in reliable sources. Without that, weak delete. With evidence of significant coverage, I'll reverse my position.-- Chaser ( talk) 17:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Weak Keep Thanks Chaser for giving this one a chance! There's mentions here in the Sunday Times and also the Telegraph. Also an interview from a festival he played. I still think he could possibly come under section 7 of WP:MUSIC, or being a musical comic, section 2 and/or 3 of WP:ENTERTAINER, but this is my first experiance interacting with wikipedia so I'm not 100% on all the rules here. All the best. -- Piperazine ( talk) 19:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as it stands "Also playing was Mr B the self-styled gentleman rhymer who combines "beats, rhymes and manners" into a charming whole he has dubbed "chap hop" rather than hip hop." That is the 'featuring' in the BBC article. I feel that he might be trying to introduce the Queen's English to hip-hop, not the way stated. Good luck to him - I hop he succeeds. (yes, that was deliberate) Given better referencing, I would be prepared to change my mind - as always. Peridon ( talk) 20:13, 5 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Switching to Neutral till I feel up to investigating new refs. It is nice to find someone who will listen when referencing is in question. So many just repeat guff... (Probably means they can't find any. Coverage is appearing here.) Peridon ( talk) 20:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Switching again to Keep. Looks OK now. Peridon ( talk) 15:23, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Point taken Peridon, that BBC article is a little lame to say the least. I will be trying to improve the article over the next week or so, but this is my first ever go at editing a wiki page, and I'm struggling with the wiki markup language a little (especially referencing), so I hope you can all bear with me. -- Piperazine ( talk) 21:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • I've managed to make a few edits after I figured out how to reference (many thanks Peridon). I've got to read up on adding photo's now.. eek, but as it stands I would like to switch to Keep -- Piperazine ( talk) 18:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I've struck through your weak keep above to keep things straight. Peridon ( talk) 21:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply


I know it has absolutely no standing in terms of the rules, but I'm really glad I found this wikipedia article to explain about one of the acts who played at the Frank Sidebottom commemoration event in Manchester. So I was really glad it was here.

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The result was delete. Black Kite (t) (c) 12:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

List of ecchi anime

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The list fails WP:SALT as it contains an overly vague inclusion criteria with little not no bases on reliable sources. Ecchi is a Japanese term derived from the letter "H" in the word hentai and can mean anything from "sexy", "lewd", to near pornographic; but it is generally used as a synonymy for "perverted". Because of this broadness, very few reliable sources actually uses the term, and will almost ever use the term to describe a particular anime. Thus every series listed is based on the personal view point and interpretations of the term by editors who added the series to the list and are therefore unverifiable. — Farix ( t |  c) 16:59, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Comment - But I do see the term used in reliable-source reviews, though admittedly more often in reviews of manga than anime, and its most common use is "this is more ecchi than hentai." Reliable sources also do try to pick out the distinguishing features of the two terms, making the subject of notable interest. It is certainly not over-broad in itself, given the term's use -- the main issue is sourcing and original research, which it seems to me can be solved by insisting that nothing be on the list without a source calling the anime that. Also, I note that we have the long-standing category Category:Ecchi anime and manga. — Quasirandom ( talk) 17:16, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply
The category has the exact same problems as the list. I'm about to go through the cat and remove any articles that are not supported by reliable sources. I expect the category to be nearly empty after the sweep. — Farix ( t |  c) 11:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I agree, Category:Ecchi anime and manga has the same problem as this list and the previous cat. Unless "ecchi" is used by japanese anime/manga producers in a precise fashion, like part of a rating system, or is used by reviewers to describe it accurately, its like having a "list of kinky movies", which wouldnt stand. I can see the value of such a list for people searching for anime with sexual content, but thats not what WP is for. If the list can be cleaned of subjects without sources indicating "ecchi" content, and if there are any left, then i guess it can stay, but i dont like it. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 16:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment from what seems to be used on the net... "hentai" would be pornographic, while "ecchi" is erotic, which means use of both of these terms are jargon, and should be replaced by "pornographic" and "erotic" respectively. 76.66.195.196 ( talk) 04:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - I'm not an expert on anime, but as I understand it, this term is too vague and contestable to serve as the inclusion criteria for a list or category. List of anime with sexual content would be acceptable, but I don't think there's a clear way of determining whether a given anime is 'ecchi' or not. Robofish ( talk) 14:17, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
The question with that is how much "sexual content" must an anime have before it can be added to the list. Pany shots? Nudity of any kind? Skimpy bathing suits? A bath scene? What about a long running anime series with only one sex seen but no other sexual content. What about a series like The Slayers which makes frequent jokes about the lead character's breast size and another character with an outfit so revealing, she would get arrested for indecent exposure. — Farix ( t |  c) 15:06, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment What about official sites like tokyopop and funimation that label the anime ecchi as a genre? Can they be used as sources to label something ecchi? - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 17:13, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep If the product is advertised with that term, or those that review it put it in that category, then stick it on the list. We already have a Wikipedia category for that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ecchi_anime_and_manga And the article ecchi gives a clear definition of the defining characteristics. Going to nominate those too? Does anyone doubt this is a real genre? Dream Focus 04:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete while Ecchi is likely a notable topic (if its article can ever be expanded beyond its current WP:DICDEF state), trying to maintain a list of series that fit the label would be overly broad and beyond the scope of a list. There isn't a finite number of ecchi series, nor is the current number of known ecchi series what I would consider small. As with any genre topic, the main article should highlight well-sourced examples to draw on, rather than creating an overly broad list of all "possible" examples that tend to be rife more with WP:OR and personal opinions than actual facts. Such a list is in the end difficult to maintain. It is for the very broad topics such as these that categories are the more ideal solution. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 13:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Okay, AnmaFinotera convinces me -- coupled with the fact that reliable sources often can be found disagreeing over whether a given work is ecchi, both on the tamer and more hentai edges of this hard-to-define concept. Better would be putting effort into beefing up Ecchi, and in the meantime delete this. — Quasirandom ( talk) 14:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Here is an example of how much original research is going on with the entries on this list. There has been several attempts by IPs to add Highschool of the Dead. However, none of the reviews from reliable sources have labeled the series "ecchi" or even mention the term in relations to the series. — Farix ( t |  c) 20:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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nevertheless this discussion is just plain shit

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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

International Forum on Urbanism

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Contested PROD, WP:NOTDIR, cannot find references to show notability per WP:GNG.  Chzz   ►  13:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Delete - non-notable initiative with little coverage in reliable sources. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whpq ( talk • contribs)
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  • Delete Article is short, choppy and in the end, you still wonder exactly what this group actually does aside from "studying urban design." What does that mean, anyway? Are they studying buildings, housing, streets, everything on the earth made my man, what? Very little information aside from participating institutions and a basic opening sentence. Nineteen Nightmares ( talk) 01:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)Nineteen Nightmares reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Karma: A Very Twisted Love Story

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Contested PROD. Yes, it was shortlisted for an award; however, apart from that single reference, I can find nothing in Google News. Thus, I do not see how it is possible to present encyclopaedic information on this topic; it does not have the requisite significant coverage in independent, reliable sources ( WP:GNG) - at least, I cannot find any.  Chzz   ►  13:31, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. The "keep" votes do not specifically address the issue of notability. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:18, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:BIO. Page created by single page editor, possibly the subject himself. Farhikht ( talk) 13:24, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete Jclemens ( talk) 23:16, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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Contested proposed deletion; resume-like, and has only a single reference, which is a passing mention. I cannot see any particular aspect of the career history that will definitively establish notability, per WP:GNG, WP:BIO.  Chzz   ►  13:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Nobuyuki Anzai. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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Contested prod. Does not demonstrate notably by WP:N or WP:BK. A search for reliable sources has come up with illegal scanlation or retail websites. Article is mostly a plot summary with no real-world context. — Farix ( t |  c) 11:09, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect to Nobuyuki Anzai. I don't read manga, but if they care enough to read the book, they just want info on the author. Old Al ( Talk) 00:52, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep or redirect. Given the author and current length of serialization, I find it quite unlikely that the series is indeed non-notable. However, I'm not opposed to redirecting it to Anzai's page in the interrim, since there's not much to say about it right now and can't find any good English sources off-hand. -- erachima talk 22:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 07:56, 19 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Deon Taylor

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Non notable bio. No claim to notability. Can find little in terms of reliable publications to constitute having this article. Obviously a COI too. Worthless self-promotion. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:25, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Why are you deleting the director if his movies are on wikipedia? I noticed his name was in the movie articles and tagged but he did not have his own page. I am not Deon Taylor, I am not the photographer of Deon Tayler, etc. I am not a shameless self promoter, I am adding the director up of a small indie horror following. There are links to his name on the official list for NBAEL, his own personal interview in this own words for citation purposes, his bio at IMDB.com. Why is that not official enough? Does he need to have a book published on him first? His birth certificate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CenobiteCreepe ( talk • contribs) 16:52, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Comment. CenobiteCreepe ( talk · contribs) is the original editor of the article; this is the editor's first article. — C.Fred ( talk) 18:43, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply
"small indie horror". My point exactly. Shitty low budget film directors with only a handful of credits should not have encyclopedia articles. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply
So is Oren Peli, the director of the low budget Paranormal Activity. Still a good movie/director despite being low budget. Chain Letter is being released in theatres August. CenobiteCreepe ( talk) 16:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Allow me to contest the article in that I can find secondary sources. I will add them up Tuesday. CenobiteCreepe ( talk) 16:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by CenobiteCreepe ( talk • contribs) 17:42, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I don't know what SPA is. I know that COI means that people assume I know Deon Taylor because I uploaded the photo and clicked I had rights to it so it wouldn't be deleted in 7 days. I deleted it and re-uploaded hopefully under proper terms but it says it will still be deleted. I won't put a photo up anymore but I am not the photographer and am not affiliated with the director. I had no idea it would cause that much confusion. Sorry. CenobiteCreepe ( talk) 16:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by CenobiteCreepe ( talk • contribs) 17:42, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply
SPA refers to a single-purpose account. I've removed the note labeling your account as single purpose and instead noted that you're a new user and that this is your first article. — C.Fred ( talk) 18:43, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep (or worst case, incubate), due to the presentation of new sources. There is a Sac Bee story on the impending national release of Chain Letter. It's eight paragraphs about Taylor, his film, and his company, so I'd say that's significant coverage. The film is due for an August release, so I'd say to err on the side of caution now and keep the article; we can always revisit in November 2010 or February 2011 if we find we've mis-assessed. — C.Fred ( talk) 18:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Much appreciated. I'll work on getting more sources up. Thanks to those helping me with my first article. CenobiteCreepe ( talk) 19:17, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete Notability is borderline, but refs are a mess. Hard to verify. It is also written like a 10-year-old was asked to write an autobiography disguised as a biography. Delete unless drastic improvements to refs and notability can be corrected. Nineteen Nightmares ( talk) 00:53, 11 July 2010 (UTC)Nineteen Nightmares reply
There are more atrociously written articles on Wikipedia you could focus on. Like ones with actual spelling errors by 10 year olds. On a lighter note, could you be more specific as to how the references constitute a mess? And are hard to verify? CenobiteCreepe ( talk) 02:01, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:16, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Rosgeologiya

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I proposed deletion of this back in March, and the prod was removed with the article is virtually unsourced; but the entity is most certainly notable. I do understand the logic, but sadly, it was not improved. It has a single source, and I am unable to find others - of course, it is possible/likely that there are sources in another language, and per Wikipedia:Systemic bias, it would be great if others could add such. However, as it stands, I do not feel we can accurately present information on the company, without references to show notability, per WP:GNG, WP:V, WP:ONESOURCE. I also note that it is a holding company, and according to the only source we have, it is intended to incorporate others in the future - so there is an element of WP:CRYSTAL here, too.  Chzz   ►  10:16, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

ProcessLab

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A previous version of this was deleted via a proposed deletion (proposed by myself) with the reasoning " No reliable sources; all primary-sourced; no claim to notability". This replacement version may be re-creation; it might also be considered CSD as being overtly advert-like, and needing a 'fundamental rewrite' to become encyclopaedic, but as it has been recreated, I feel that AfD is necesary to document conclusions. I therefore suggest deletion because;

  • It depends entirely on the primary source
  • It is not neutral, and contains claims that cannot be referenced through reliable sources
  • It would require a fundamental rewrite to become encyclopaedic

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The result was speedy delete. Speedy deleted per G4 recreation of previously deleted article. Davewild ( talk) 09:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Logos used in Logorama

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I don't think this list is necessary, per WP:IINFO. elektrik SHOOS 00:44, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Shane Bettenhausen

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The page was nominated a year ago with the consensus of keeping the article as long as it gets fleshed out. A year has passed since then and the article is even more of a stub now than it was year ago. Right now it reads more like a résumé for the person than an actual biography and personally I've seen no convincing reason to keep this page since it fails to assert notability. Jonny2x4 ( talk) 05:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. per nomination withdrawl JForget 00:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Sol survivor

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Article about an unremarkable game that may not meet WP:Notability. elektrik SHOOS 00:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. JForget 00:37, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Major League Baseball All-Star Game Uniform Errors

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I'm not sure a list like this is really needed, per WP:IINFO, but I figured I'd list it here for discussion. (It also doesn't help at all that nearly all of the 'references' are links to a Flickr album.) elektrik SHOOS 00:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. JForget 00:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

FireScope, Inc.

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Although I was able to find FireScope mentioned on many pages in Google, this page reads like an ad. Additionally, the references link to the company website, a reader poll on informationweek, and a blog. Without third party reliable sources establishing notability, I think this is a easy delete. -- Gnowor T C 01:00, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. JForget 00:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Sacred Heart School, Launceston

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A Primary school, so without inherent notability; meets no other notability criteria. Shirt58 ( talk) 12:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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It's currently a primary school, but previously was a secondary school, on the same campus but under different names. A quandary: keep as a former secondary school? redirect to the school that - through a somewhat convoluted path - has inherited its secondary school functions? -- Shirt58 ( talk) 10:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • I would vote to keep the article, because of the historical interest. (See this ref: [44]. It is one of only two dozen or so educational establishments to make it into this database compiled by Centre for Tasmanian Historical Studies, University of Tasmania, and with an apparently rigourous inclusion process. See [45]). Hallucegenia ( talk) 17:09, 14 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I've added the reference and external link to the article. Hallucegenia ( talk) 17:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. JForget 00:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Jhanvieh

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Was tagged {{ db-band}}, as a non-notable music group. I could find less than 100 hits on Google and none of them looked substantial. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 00:18, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

nevermind, it seems to be the persian word for January, so amount of hits is not useful. We need someone who speaks persian.-- Ancient Anomaly ( talk) 00:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I speak Persian, and I believe SPADA 2 (who expressed an opinion below) does as well. Neither of us could find anything. cab ( talk) 03:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC) reply
That's right I speak Persian. Spada II ♪♫ ( talk) 17:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy Keep - I think that band is quite good, and so they deserve in every way of the article. Besides, there is more than 100 hits on google, there's just over 3,000. Know your facts! Mysteryman19 ( talk) 00:34, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Whoops, I found out there was 100 hits, must have misread it. Oh well. Mysteryman19 ( talk) 00:49, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. JForget 00:34, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Lord's Witnesses

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No third-party sources; no indication of notability, no indication of 'international' status. Suspect that article creator User:Rchristian may be the religion's 'founder' 'Gordon Ritchie'. Jeffro77 ( talk) 00:15, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Thomas Peters (blogger)

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This page needs to be revamped from scratch, beginning with its name, if it should exist at all. As several users have expressed, Thomas Peters does not meet the notability criteria for a living person. One of the sources ("The Catholic Club) only mention Peters and his blog in order to discredit Peters for having petty debates on his blog. This is a strike against his notability, not a credit towards it. Other sources are lesser known blogs with one comment or less on average (such as St. Michael Society), not showing significant coverage. Still others are not independent but are affiliates promoting Peters' blog (such as the Catholic Vote Action link, St. Michael Society link, etc.). This issue leads to a greater problem. If the page is to be rewritten -- and I'm not sure it should -- the page should be about Peters' blog itself (American Papist) with Peters maybe meriting a subsection and his name redirecting to the blog Wikipedia entry. Alternatively, the page could be deleted outright and recreated on a sister Wiki rather than Wikipedia. Darthoutis ( talk) 14:33, 27 June 2010 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - The persons notability is doubtful, and in any case the article name is wrong. -- OpenFuture ( talk) 07:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, Rename, Rewrite A significant topic, but an article that should be about the blog, not the blogger. Carrite ( talk) 15:58, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep . the references are enough to support the importance of the blog, but as he has done a few more things than the blog, the article should be on him. This is always a dilemma, and I think we should always incline to the person, about whom there is more likely to be additional importance in the future & so the opportunity to develop the article. 17:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I think this discussion would benefit from an evaluation of specific sources. I've already identified examples of the problematic sources, which either don't show significant coverage or are not independent sources but affiliates promoting Peters and his blog. Darthoutis ( talk) 16:02, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I also think that Peters' isolated appearances on a couple of cable news interviews are insufficient to meet Wikipedia's allowance for people likely to remain high profile. Although Wikipedia does grant notability to people with a short history of coverage, that liberty only applies under condition that the subject already has a high profile. Peters himself, nor his blog, has ever been the subject of any major news stories, and I'm not sure Peters' appearances as a consultant for a couple of cable TV interviews count as high profile. The more I think about this, the more I believe this page (whether about Peters or his blog) better belongs on a sister Wiki, which is more conducive to specialized subjects. If Peters or his blog ever does become notable for a general encyclopedia like Wikipedia, we can always recreate his page. That is what deletion review is for when "new significant information comes to light and the information in the deleted article would be useful to write a new article." (see criterion #3 under "Principal purpose"). Darthoutis ( talk) 16:02, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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I'm not sure if this guy is notable, but some bloggers certainly are: see Category:Bloggers. -- Radagast 3 ( talk) 13:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Agreed, a few TV appearances as a minor pundit do not constitute coverage of Peters, and therefore are not evidence of notability. I doubt the blog is notable either. -- Chonak ( talk) 03:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. JForget 00:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Lowell Mick White

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Non-notable author lacking GHits and GNEWS of substance. Appears to fail WP:BIO. ttonyb ( talk) 20:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC) reply

Keep. He's published two critically well-received books by reputable publishers, has won an important fellowship, has strong history of performance and teaching. He canine ( talk) 23:09, 2 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Comment – I see nothing in the article that points to the notability of the books. Even if that were the case, the books might be notable, but I see nothing that supports the writer's notability per Wikipedia guidelines. There is nothing in the article supports the assertion that he won a significant award. ttonyb ( talk) 23:24, 2 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Keep He's published fiction in several leading journals (Callaloo, Concho River, Antietam); some of the other publications are puff, but that shouldn't take away from the significance of the more notable work. Gival is also a well-respected independent publisher, not some second-rate pamphleteer or self-pub mill, which also strongly suggests notability in the field. Vartanza ( talk) 14:16, 3 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak Keep as required by the GNG guideline--there are 2 acceptable 3rd party articles at least about him and his work. The keep is only a weak one because I think he is not yet notable. One of the two books is just a collection of previously published stories, and he has not actually won any awards. I think we should stop using the GNG and insist on actual notability in some objective fashion according to the field. Neither of his two books are in any way notable, being held by only a few libraries (<10).The author of a notable book is notable, though,because what fundamentally makes an author notable is having published notable works--what else could he be notable for as an author? The references used to support the notability of the books will always support the author also. Even authors who have not written a notable book can be notable as an author on other bases, as he would be if his work were included in major anthologies. DGG ( talk ) 17:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. JForget 00:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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Contested PROD - the prod reasoning was, " I cannot find any significant coverage in reliable source to show notability for this unreferenced biography of a living person". Some sources have indeed been added, but I see nothing to show significant coverage; only one looks to be a true independent reliable source (a passing mention in a newspaper), so the same rationale still applies here.  Chzz   ►  13:54, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - Agreed per above that maintenance of an archive of manuscripts in Special Collections of a major university implies notability. The article is a stub which needs expansion, not deletion. Carrite ( talk) 16:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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Unreferenced BLP, lacks evidence of notability, prod removed by User:Calliopejen1 –– Jezhotwells ( talk) 16:36, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was Nomination withdrawn. Non-admin closure. walk victor falk talk 11:44, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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Unreferenced BLP, no evidence of notability, prod removed by User:Calliopejen1 –– Jezhotwells ( talk) 16:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Can only find facebook, wiki mirrors and personal home page. –– Jezhotwells ( talk) 18:36, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. JForget 00:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Michael Irving

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Unreferenced BLP, no evidence of notability, prod removed by User:Calliopejen1 –– Jezhotwells ( talk) 16:47, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

All that I can find is wiki mirrors. –– Jezhotwells ( talk) 18:28, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Weak keep I think his credits including the Bill and How to Be as well as his theatre contribution makes him just about worthy of inclusion. Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:58, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • I do see where Jezhotwells is coming from in the comment above. One could argue that the two refs regarding Half Moon are more about the institution than the man. And although he has a wide range of acting credits, they don't seem to be lead roles (at least those found online, which obviously tend to "recentism" and fail to take account of a long career). That's why I just noted the refs rather than expressing an opinion one way or the other. However, I too am tending to Weak keep as the article adds a bit of depth and cross-linking. AllyD ( talk) 21:25, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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Amateur rugby league that doesn't meet the basic team criteria as a professional club, and I don't see anything other than primary sources that would indicate GNG status. Shadowjams ( talk) 20:50, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per nom - You have a point of this being an amateur club. It also doesn't have much information. Not related to the article, but the logo actually creeps me out a little. Mysteryman19 ( talk) 00:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

List of american animated feature films

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Delete - redundant to several existing lists and categories. PROD removed without comment by article's creator. Are You The Cow Of Pain? ( talk) 21:35, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • keep - This list have never been created before is list is meant to document only American Animated feature films and be free of thos forgain features that plagues the Animated feature list. Also get rid of stop-motion film as calling them animated films I personally think is misleading. The other list that deals with American Animated features deels only with them in partal such as the Disney Animated feature list My main basis for this list is Jerry Beck is book and "my" list is correct up too 1970. The year 1971 and beyhound will be more pain in neck as we will run into films that were relesed to theaters, shown on TV or released strigt to Video/DVD. Everything currently inside the taple is correct but every thing that is not still need a cleanup. DoctorHver ( talk) 22:19, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • AS I said this is fair from redundant list, only thing that is strange (redundant) about this delete nominee is that it is only your fourth overall edit from your 2 day old account ( contributions), so admin should take that into account when he makes the verdit. I would say that American Animated films diverse better than having no article on their own since they have been the bechmark of Animated films around the world. The list could also solve the problem over at the Disney Animated feature list as people that don't have clue comes in there often and add films that don't belong such as Anastasia. The problem over at Animated feature films list, is bigger than I can handle of my own as there lots of forgain features that don't have any vaild socurce that exist so it is actually better to make seprate list for American (USA) films only, also there buncy of morons like ( Esn), that dont agree with any improvement sugestion, Im just dumfonded that he dont seems ot see that list is very unreaderfreindly mislinding and confusing. on side note I know that Jerry Beck is book include forgain films but those are only document that makes American theaters. BUt THink is only fair that it exist on the internet list that makes up for Jerry's "Error" and focus only on American Animated Feture films (Films produced by USA citizen). DoctorHver ( talk) 00:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete List of animated feature-length films covers this content, and the separating out of US films seems redundant to this list, as the films there show their national origin (thats a good addition to the list to distinguish it from a category). I would suggest that the article creator and anyone else (including myself) be sure that all the films which are on our debated list which arent categorized as "american animated films" are put in Category:American animated films, as some are not. I can also see the value of a further category of American animated feature films, to distinguish from shorts. the various studios have such categories. I think userfying and then checking the films for their categorization would be nice. also, the aforementioned list needs extensive work anyway, so lets get that list cleaned up before considering sub lists that dont add content. I understand if the article creator wants american films highlighted in some way, and maybe they could petition someone to make the list sortable if they dont have that skill (i wouldnt know how or have the time to do it). Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 06:53, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Mercenaries (BattleTech)#Gray Death Legion. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:14, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Gray Death Legion

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It's been over two years since the last AFD was closed to cleanup and nothing much has improved. It still (quoting the original nominator) "covers a fictional mercenary organization with no out-of-universe information and no real-world notability." Ricky81682 ( talk) 22:39, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Mia McKenna Bruce

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Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katie Anderson

Contested PROD, child actor; does not appear notable, lacking significant coverage in independent reliable sources. WP:BIO, I have particular concern over the WP:BLP issues regarding this 12-year-old non-public figure.  Chzz   ►  13:13, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:13, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Scarlet Records

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Non notable record company - fails WP:CORP ONLY claim to any form of notability is one of inheritance through bands. Codf1977 ( talk) 12:28, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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  • Strong Keep Subject of article is the record label for numerous notable entities. Nominator has been going through these articles like a scourge and refuses to look for sources before seeking deletion or to consider deletion alternatives like merges. his activity is highly disruptive and damaging to the encyclopedia. Many of his speedy deletion noms and AfDs have already been noted as being out of line. He needs to slow down and collaborate on improving the encyclopedia instead of flooding other editors with the work load he refuses to engage in. Freakshownerd ( talk) 19:09, 14 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Asif Azerelli

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Non-notable painter Prove you wrong ( talk) 12:18, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Yusif Alizadeh

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Unnotable painter. Prove you wrong ( talk) 12:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete This article is supposed to be about an artist. In Russian I can find coverage of a failed political candidate [51], an agricultural businessman [52], the head of a society for Iranian Azeris in Baku [53], etc. by the same name, but no mentions of an artist. Similarly in Azeri, most of the mentions appear to be for a film director, and I see no coverage of an artist (though I read Azeri quite poorly). cab ( talk) 02:51, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Vandalism. Somebody made up a name and a story to go with it, inserting cues (anachronism) that it's fake. -- Werewolf Bar Mitzvah ( talk) 13:32, 12 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. No sources have been provided in support of notability claims. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:13, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Geico spa

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I don't think this company meets the level of notability required. That the article is adverty in tone doesn't help, although this isn't a reason for deletion on its own. I would have nominated it for a speedy delete but it makes (unsourced) claims of notability, so brought here for more input. Dylanfromthenorth ( talk) 11:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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Right on the first page of the website of the company. [54]. Also in the history part -- Sulmues Let's talk 03:31, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Actually, that says Carrier started in 1905, not Geico spa. Erpert (let's talk about it) 06:47, 11 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:12, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Augusto Barcia

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Primary-sourced contested BLP PROD, does not assert notability through significant coverage in independent reliable sources; not neutral, advert-like.  Chzz   ►  10:58, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Weak delete with reservations The article is a mess. It is in need of dire neutral editing, however, one of the links at PicassoMio gives us this as a portion of an artist biography on the site:

The artist's many SOLO EXHIBITIONS include: 2001 - Retrospective, Museo Nacional de Bellas Artes, Santiago, Chile. - Galeria de Talca, Talca, Chile. 1998 - Commenoz Gallery, Key Biscane, USA. 1995 - Talca University, Talca. - Municipal Gallery, Osorno, Chile. 1990 - Providencia Cultural Institute, Santiago. 1987 - Museo Lyon, Valparaiso, Chile. 1985 - Galeria Praxis, Santiago. 1984 Galeria La Pluma, Bogota, Colombia. 1983 - Museo de Medellin, Colombia. - "Barcia en el Paisaje" (?Barcia in the Landscape?), Museo Nacional de Bellas Artes, Santiago. 1981 - Museo Luis Angel Arango, Bogota. 1980 - Banco de Fomento, Valparaiso. - Galeria de Pintores Andinos, Bogota. - Salon del Banco de la Republica, Bogota. 1977 - Gallery Classic, Beverly Hills, USA. 1975 - Galeria Fidel Angulo, Santiago. 1974 - Museo Municipal de Bellas Artes, Valparaiso. 1970 - Galeria Michelena, Caracas, Venezuela. 1969 - Casa de la Cultura, Ministerio de Educacion, Santiago. 1966 - Sala Calicanto, Santiago. - Sala Nahuel, Santiago. 1965 -North American Institute of Chile, Santiago. 1962 - Sala del Banco de Chile, Santiago.

The following MUSEUMS have examples of Barcia's work - Museo Nacional de Bellas Artes, Santiago, Chile. - Concepcion University, Chile. - Museo Nacional de Caracas. - Museo de Medellin, Colombia. - Denver Museum, Colorado, USA. - Museo Nacional de Rio de Janeiro, Brasil. - Museo Luis Angel Arango, Bogota. - Museo de Arte Moderno de Bogota.

Throughout his career, Barcia received numerous AWARDS including: 1990 First Prize, Pintando Valparaiso 1989 First Prize, Salon Entel, Santiago 1976 First Prize, National Competition, Museo de Arte Contemporaneo, Santiago 1975 National Critic's Prize 1975 Honorary mention. Salon Colocadora de Valores. Museo Nacional de Bellas Artes, Santiago 1970 Diploma, Federico Santa Maria University, Museo de Bellas Artes, Viña del Mar 1969 First Prize, Salon del Mar, Valparaiso 1968 Honorary prize, Offical Autumn Salon, Valparaiso 1966 Gold medal, Oficial Winter Salon, Valparaiso 1964 Honorary mention, Spring Salon. Casa de la Cultura, Ã?uñoa, Santiago 1962 Honorary mention, Nacional Salon, Santia

Conclusion: Notability seems well established, however without serious cleanup, the article obviously does not adhere to Wikipedia style standards in the least. I thought I was reading something written by Salvadore Dali for a minute there. Very heady. Nineteen Nightmares ( talk) 11:56, 4 July 2010 (UTC)Nineteen Nightmares reply

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The result was keep - or at least no consensus for deletion. JForget 00:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Panic (company)

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From speedy. Does not appear to be notable as it lacks second-party refs. However... there is a category Category:Panic software which has seven bluelinked articles. So I think a company that has seven products with articles might itself be notable. Hard to find refs, but "panic" is a fairly common term so this makes it hard. I do believe that the company is probably not notable, but it does deserve an AfD. Herostratus ( talk) 04:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:11, 18 July 2010 (UTC) reply

List of programmes broadcast by RTÉ

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A mostly unreferenced list of supposed programming broadcast by RTÉ. Half of the articles are red-linked and some out of date. It would be impossible to find references for all of these programmes. —   Cargoking   talk  09:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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Keep Serves as navigational aid per WP:LISTPURP for linked articles (that many are redlinked is irrelevant, they should be either bluelinked or blacklinked if not notable enough for own article) that cannot be satisfied by a cat. In the same vein, additional information can be provided, such as production years, short description , budget, et cetera. Compare with List of BBC programs or List of television programmes broadcast by the BBC, for instance walk victor falk talk 12:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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