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Hello EZ1234 just a point about your inclusion of flags in airline infoboxes, the project consensus is not to include them, you are welcome to comment at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines.
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Flags 2
Thanks for the question I dont think the project actually came to a consensus on infobox flags although the feeling was that they were not necessary in infoboxes. The only concensus was not to include them in destination lists. I will bring it up again at the project but it is not always easy to get a clear consensus.
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I noticed that you are working on this, and I'd like to say that the whole list thing is in bad need of rethinking.
For a start it seems to me that while the terms such as campaigns, operations, battles and engagements remain undefined, it is absolutely pointless compiling such lists. If you have a look a the
article I'm working through, you will see that I can add hundreds of "engagements" even at operational and strategic level, and these are only named for ground ops. Each one comes with an air op, and many with naval ops...and then I can go down to the thousands of lower-level "engagements". In fact there were thousands of cities fought over on the Eastern Front also, and since people think nothing of adding battalion actions, and even companies...
I had sometime last year proposed a more structured approach which was discussed and abandoned. I had also added a sort of an essay in the MilHist project pages. I have not had anyone comment yet, so please feel free...
I would suggest that there need to be Lists organised as follows (regardless of what the article title calls them)
Grand strategy
List of covert operations during the Second World War (continuous operation (including planning) that lasted more then a year)
List of land campaigns during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two seasons)
List of naval campaigns during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two seasons)
List of air campaigns during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two seasons)
Strategy
List of covert missions during the Second World War (continuous operative deployment for at least six months)
List of land strategic operations during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two months)
List of naval strategic operations during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two months)
List of air strategic operations during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two months)
Operational level
List of covert tasks during the Second World War (continuous operative deployment for as least six weeks)
List of land operations during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two weeks)
List of naval operations during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two weeks)
List of air operations during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two weeks)
Tactical level
List of covert actions during the Second World War (continuous operative deployment for as least six days)
List of land battles during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two days)
List of naval battles during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two days)
List of air battles during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two days)
Minor tactics
List of covert direct actions during the Second World War (continuous operative deployment for as least six hours)
List of land engagements during the Second World War(any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then nine hours)
List of naval engagements during the Second World War(any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then nine hours)
List of air engagements during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then nine hours)
Note 1: I think that the use of "of" is bad English even if it has been used for centuries. Aside from the confusion with "off", "of" does not convey any meaning such as "in", or "near", of "for", etc. Most combat takes place over a period of time, and that period in this case is limited to the Second World War, i.e. during it, and not "of" it.
Note 2: As an Australian I prefer to use the more logical Second World War as opposed to use of II which is easily mistyped as I, or Two, which is easily phonetically misunderstood as "too", never mind that the first World War was not One given there were at least two, but is followed by second ;o)
I would not have a list of combined ops at all. They may have been combined in planning, but the phases were necessarily restricted to operations in the environment of the troops' Service. Once those glider landed and the LCI beached, the operation was over for the pilots and the seamen, though of course many had to fight in ground roles. Cheers--
mrg3105 (
comms) ♠♥♦♣ 14:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)reply
G'day, I wasn't blaming you at all. Glad someone is working on it. I'm in Sydney. Cheers--
mrg3105 (
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Well, I am now trying to sort out the categories to see hat goes where because it proved to be extremely confusing to me when I tried to set up articles in my field of interest.
For a start I work from a sourced definition of what a military engagement is. It comes from a distinguished American military historian
Trevor N. Dupuy, and is limited to combat between two forces between a
division and a
company in size.(form his book Understanding War:History and theory of combat). If you would like to go through the list and weed out which articles match this description, we can categorise them as such. How does that sound? There is a problem however. This definition is allied to ground troops, so we need to figure out what the naval and air equivalents would be, because although the naval and air forces also have divisions, they perform much greater role in combat then their ground equivalents.--
mrg3105 (
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Example of a naval air arm engagement
Easter Sunday Raid. So, is this an air engagement or a naval one, or is there a need for a naval air arm engagements category?--
mrg3105 (
comms) ♠♥♦♣ 12:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I think there is a need for a naval air arm engagements category because there are numerous naval air arm engagements.
EZ1234 (
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Here is a good source for the USAAF 1941-1945
[1]--
mrg3105 (
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Flags again (infobox)
Last time it was brought up the discussion did not come to a conclusion so I have started the conversation again. Not a big fan of flags myself but I am more concerned that all the articles have the same look and feel. We will have to wait and see what happens.
MilborneOne (
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Discussion of changes to Aircraft Infobox
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Askari Mark(Talk) 18:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Re: Question
I'm sorry, but your question isn't actually clear. Could you please rephrase it?
Askari Mark(Talk) 18:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)reply
My apologies, but I didn't notice that I had two new messages on the 26th. For the purposes of the infobox, the final user's retirement of the aircraft should be used, and I would note the year, with the final user in parentheses, instead of vice versa. For a handy reference, check the
Infobox Aircraft template description page.
Askari Mark(Talk) 17:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
National origin
Please stop removing "National origin" information from the
Infobox Aircraft on aircraft pages, as you did on the
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Mikoyan MiG-29M pages. This field was discussed and accepted in discussion at
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Iranian aircraft inventories
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I'm still experimenting; Please don't add those flag icons back - they really contribute nothing and just add visual clutter. I'm also not sure about separating historic and current types; I think the combined lists like the
Israeli list are more useful - no switching between lists or having to guess whether a particular type is still in service. --
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naval arm air engagements
It seems to me an air engagement can be either air-to-air or air-to-surface in nature, so for example attacks on enemy shore installations is also an engagement because the anti-aircraft fire would be encountered from aid-fence units--
mrg3105 (
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Iranian Air Force - table colour
Hi EZ1234. Very strange! I'm not sure what you're looking at the article in, but there very definitely is colour. The cells describing out-of-service aircraft were a pale grey, and those describing in-service aircraft were a pale lilac.
Tell me if you can see colour now; and if so, what colour? --
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Iraqi Air Force
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Missle Infobox
I've noticed that you have are great at creating infoboxes in SAM articles. Can you help fill in the infobx in
9K35 Strela-10?--
EZ1234 (
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Ay mate! But it appears there is something
fishy with the user reviewing it; not only he/she started reviewing it relatively fast in comparison to the time the request was made in, but also there is no evident lack of experience as a consequent of the user being so "new" to WP.
Hi! I have completed the GA review of
Iraqi Air Force, with the full review being located at
Talk:Iraqi Air Force/GA1. I have some serious concerns about the referencing in the article, and have put the article on hold until these concerns have been addressed. If you have any questions, you can ask on the review page or on my talk page.
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I'll just keep the conversation on my page; just
watch my talk page and keep and keep an eye on it in your
Watchlist. -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 04:24, 6 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Don't be too intimidated; those are there just to show you what you need to source. If you could find a book on the history of the Iraqi Air Force at your library, most of those fact tags could probably be fixed by that! Cheers, -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 16:24, 6 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Cheers for that! I will attempt to find some books on the Iraqi Air Force soon.--
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MILHIST Military Aviation Questionaire
Hi EZ1234! As your MILHIST Military Avation Task Force coordinator, I'd like to conduct a short questionaire to give me an idea of what you would the task force to achieve and the capabilities of yours that might contribute positively to the task force. The four questions of this questionaire are:
What are your strengths on Wikipedia?
Which four military aviation articles would you like to see be promoted to at least GA?
What detailed resources (books, journals, etc) about military aviation do you have access to? Please provide the publications' authors, titles and ISSNs/ISBNs.
Which three military aviation articles are you wiling to provide assistance? This can be expansion, copyediting, reference formatting, etc.
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