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I have emailed CydeWeys to let him know that CydeBot is not deleting certain categories listed at WP:CFDW. – Fayenatic L ondon 20:44, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

But then user:The Bushranger deleted them [1] before we got an answer on why the bot was skipping them. – Fayenatic L ondon 22:04, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

The bot kept skipping them, after the initial run, because CydeBot has never (cannot?) delete a category that is being moved/merged to a bluelinked name; it only deletes categories that are being moved to a category that did not exist before the move. As for why they didn't orginally get deleted, I think it may be because of {{ Year by category}} - templates like that (especially if they add parent categories as part of the template itself) can confuse the bot. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:09, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Bushranger is correct. This behavior isn't an inherent limitation of the bot; it's simply a consensus we arrived at a long, long time ago (maybe in 2007 or so?) to help prevent errors. It'd be pretty easy to have the bot always delete the From categories in these cases once they are empty. Are we thinking that's the direction we want to go in now? Should we open it up to a wider discussion? I honestly forget the rationale behind why it is the way it is. -- Cyde Weys 15:27, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I think I remembered why it is the way it is. The reasoning is that we don't want to risk losing the content of the From category page itself. If both the From and the To category already exist, there's no guarantee that the content was moved to To, so deleting the From in these cases may not be the correct behavior. So it comes down to a human decision, deciding whether the To category is sufficient (and thus the From category can be deleted outright), or if the text should be copied over into the To category first before deletion. It's inherently an editorial decision, and thus not something a bot could handle without strong AI. -- Cyde Weys 15:30, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks, both, for replying. It probably is best to keep it the way it is. For mergers, it's useful to be able to see the old category page without having to preview versions from deleted history, which would take several extra clicks. I'll document it at WP:CFDAI.

Skipping deletion of the old year-categories because of templates does not seem so helpful, but once we know the reason then perhaps it might prompt us to check the template parameters on the new categories. Anyway, they don't come up very often. – Fayenatic L ondon 16:57, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to have come to the party late on this one, but it looks like speedy renaming was used for a whole bunch of categories relating to New Zealand's Otago Region after the region's article was moved from Otago Region to (the more ambiguous) Otago (e.g., here). Unfortunately, in doing so, it meant that those categories no longer conform to the standard naming for New Zealand regions. The Otago (Region) categories stick out like a sore thumb because they are now the only ones which do not have "Region" as part of their names. Grutness... wha? 08:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

It wasn't incorrect as it conformed to C2D. A formal WP:RM has held on the article here, and since the article was moved, the categories were moved to follow. You may disagree with a move, but that doesn't make it "incorrect" or somehow out-of-process. If you want to pursue the issue, I suggest you start another WP:RM to have the article moved. (As for it being out of conformity with the others—the articles about the NZ regions are being discussed one-by-one. This just happened to be the second of the lot, and we're still not half-way through the discussions, so it's a long-term process and we will not know the full results for some time.) Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:48, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

It was incorrect inasmuch as it doesn't conform to the official names of the regions. I certainly didn't claim it was out of process. It's simply the wrong name - that's all, and will cause confusion as a result. I won't follow this up with another WP:RM, though, for two reasons. Firstly, it's ridiculous to have RM after RM after RM, which this no doubt would turn into, and secondly I know full well that once a ridiculous decision is made on Wikipedia it instantly gets enshrined into law, and no matter what confusion results from it it stays sacrosanct. Grutness... wha? 23:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I've noticed that C2D seems to be more and more regarded as a "Thou Shalt" - it shouldn't be. There are good reasons sometimes why the category and article names should not match - one of them being when C2D and C2C would produce different results... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:59, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

@Bushranger: I don't think those concerns apply, because of what I said above: "the articles about the NZ regions are being discussed one-by-one. This just happened to be the second of the lot, and we're still not half-way through the discussions, so it's a long-term process and we will not know the full results for some time." So to cite C2C as an issue is premature, really. In any case, I don't see why C2C should hold precedence over C2D—it's just as plausible that it should be the other way around.

@Grutness: If there's a concern about an article name that you feel didn't get proper attention at an RM, I don't think there's anything wrong with another RM. It's certainly better than what has been past practice with the NZ region articles—editors have over and over again essentially unilaterally moved them around to what they feel is a nice naming format, or the debates have been limited to WikiProject pages. At least now they are being discussed using the formal process and the application of the naming guidelines debated. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:40, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

In any case, I don't see why C2C should hold precedence over C2D—it's just as plausible that it should be the other way around. - My point exactly. Which is why when they conflict a full discussion should probably be held in most cases. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:06, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree with that; I was just pointing out that in this case, I don't think C2C was a concern, simply because the names of the articles and their corresponding categories are in flux and will remain so for the foreseeable future as we have RMs about each of the article names. They are changing, but slowly, because we only start a new discussion when the last one has closed. After the articles RMs are completed, then it could be time to see if there is any overall naming scheme. (I think we're in general agreement on the principles, it's just that you're speaking broadly and I'm speaking more narrowly about this case.) Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:13, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Does anybody who watches this page want to help with the semi-backlog of closures? A lot of them are not hard closes, they are just ones that the currently active closers can't close for various reasons. And there are some hard ones too. :) Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:21, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

For the current backlog, see WP:CFDAC. – Fayenatic L ondon 21:39, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

When a category is to be renamed, why does Cydebot create a new cat page and delete the old, rather than use the "move page" feature? This has been possible on categories for some weeks now, and it preserves the history. The bot knows how to move pages, since it does that for the Category talk: page; it also has the admin bit, since it deletes the old cat redirect (and the old cat talk redir) once all the member pages are updated and the old cat is empty.

I left a similar message for Cyde ( talk · contribs) but it was archived without comment, see User talk:Cyde/Archive030#Category renames. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 13:20, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't think Cyde checks his talk page. But he's very good at responding to email inquiries: cydeweys(at)gmail.com. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:29, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Is there any update on this? I was surprised to see that categories are still being deleted and recreated rather than moved. — Martin ( MSGJ ·  talk) 11:55, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

PS, I've just seen User talk:Cyde/Archive031#Categories can be moved - please stop copy/pasting them. @ Cyde:, could you please implement the new system of category moves? — Martin ( MSGJ ·  talk) 12:12, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Mass_message_like_extension_to_help_renaming_or_deleting_categories. Cenarium ( talk) 15:30, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Didn't we have a bot that would do dual upmerges at one point? If so is it still available? Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:02, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

@ Armbrust: isn't this most easily done using WP:AWB? – Fayenatic L ondon 22:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

@ Fayenatic london: My is bot is approved to do dual upmerges, and I have done some of them with it. The original categories need to be deleted now. I could also do the remaining "Ice hockey people" tasks, if somebody collects the "Province/Territory" information. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 15:30, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Nevermind, working on them now. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 16:21, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

@ Armbrust: Thanks. I suggest that you do not use the bot for the Moscow sportsperson categories, as the cases that I have checked so far were mostly already in the "Russian xxxx-er" category or in many cases a more specific one, so only a single merge to Moscow sportspeople was needed after checking the contents. For the Canadian ones, and the saints, as far as I know it is good for you to go ahead. – Fayenatic L ondon 17:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah! My comment was too late. But as it turned out, those are all fine. It was the Moscow ice hockey players and some of the footballers (which I had checked individually) that were already in more specific categories. Those which you just processed had no more specific diffusing categories to go into. – Fayenatic L ondon 18:51, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

For info on the bots which normally do the heavy labour here: Cydebot is not working on this page, nor is AvicBot. I have emailed both their owners. Cyde said he would look into it shortly.

Armbrust is using his bot to transfer pages and empty old categories, but it is not authorised to do deletions. – Fayenatic L ondon 14:36, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Cydebot is working again. AvicBot did not work when it was wanted. – Fayenatic L ondon 11:11, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Coding... I hope to get this fixed soon-ish. There have been some updates that broke things while I was away. ^Avic _ennasis @ 08:47, 13 Av 5775 / 08:47, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

AvicBot is now waiting on T57032 before it'll be operational for this task again, it seems. ^Avic _ennasis @ 03:45, 15 Tishrei 5776 / 03:45, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Round 2

Just noting that Cydebot appears to be offline again. I left a note on Cyde's talk page. Alerting @ Fayenatic london, Marcocapelle, and Good Olfactory: ~ Rob ^Talk 03:06, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Cyde is pretty prompt in getting to it if you email him directly. Gmail account is "cydeweys". Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:07, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Please can Cydebot ( talk · contribs) be configured to not make edits like this, this or this, all of which put the category inside itself? -- Redrose64 ( talk) 19:25, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

@ Cyde: this is a regular occurrence when merging a category to a target that is currently its sub-cat. The problem is noted at WP:CFDAI, but it would be good if you could stop it happening. – Fayenatic L ondon 16:40, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

I just spotted that on 31 May 2016, the protection level of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working was reduced [2] from full protection to template protection, by User:Jc37. I can find no trace of any attempt by Jc37 to discuss this change or to notify other editors that it had been done ... so pending the consensus of a discussion here, I will restore full protection after posting this message, and notify Jc37 of this discussion.

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working had been fully protected since 2007, apart from a brief lifting of protection from Dec08 to March09. See the original 2007 discussion and the 2009 discussion. (Disclosure: in each case, I instigated the protection).

The ability to delete pages is otherwise restricted to WP:ADMINs. However, WP:CFD/W gives an editor the ability to send a bot off to delete, merge or move categories, at high speed on a big scale, which is like admin deletion powers on steroids. This page was first protected in 2007 when it was used by a non-admin for just such an act of vandalism, so it seems logical to allow only admins to instruct these bots.

Unlike articles, categories are very hard to restore if the damage is not spotted promptly. The bot-owners cannot be expected to manually cross-check every entry in CFD/W; the bots assume that the entries have been created in good faith, by competent editors ... and the community's long-established mechanism for deciding which editors should can be trusted to delete pages is by choosing admins.

Template protection is a newer level of protection, introduced in late 2013 after RFC:Template editor user right found a clear consensus to "give trusted template coders the ability to edit templates, modules, and edit notices that have been fully protected for precautionary reasons" (emphasis added by me). AFAIK, that has worked well ... but WP:CFD/W is not a place for template coding. It is a place for instructing bots.

WP:CFD/W is not a template, and -- contrary to Jc37's claim when changing the protection level -- is not transcluded anywhere. Part of it used to be trancluded on to the WP:CFD mainpage, but that practice ended in April 2014 when the transcluded section was split out to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Awaiting closure, after this discussion. Jc37 was a party to that discussion, so I am surprised that Jc37 still thinks that CFD/W is transcluded anywhere.

What do others think? Keep the full protection, or change to another level? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:08, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Full protection restored [3]; User:Jc37 notified [4]. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:30, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

• I'm guessing I'm the reason this protection level was lowered, since I'm the only non-admin template editor closing CfDs. I never asked for the protection level to be lowered and I even questioned whether it was a good idea at one point. It undoubtedly was a net positive for the time that it was there, since it allowed me to help clear the backlog from 200+ discussions to its current state. Still, I basically agree with your concerns, and hopefully it won't be an issue for me for long. ~ Rob ^Talk 01:33, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

• Comment. I think @ BU Rob13: is correct; the protection was lowered so that he would be able to edit the page while closing CfDs. I think that if Rob is going to continue closing CfDs prior to his RfA proceeding, we should have it at a level that he will be able to edit. He's been a great asset in cleaning out much of the backlog. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:33, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
  • @ Good Olfactory: On the other hand, if the protection level remains, it's one more aspect of demonstrated need for the tools which could be cited at RfA. I'm on vacation from the 25th to the 1st, and I'll be unavailable on the 2nd-3rd because I'm moving. By the time a discussion concludes here, I'll be gone until my RfA starts, and after that, it will hopefully be a moot point. In my opinion, this protection level shouldn't be lowered over someone's objections as a work-around for my lack of adminship. Even if it was a net positive, this use of template protection was not intended when the template editor user right was created, I'm sure. If my RfA fails, then we'd be in a trickier situation; at that point, I may recommend we set up a page at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Pending where non-admins can list things to be copy-pasted by admins. If you and Fayenatic london watchlisted such a page and we transcluded it on WP:CFD/W, it would be an effective work-around. ~ Rob ^Talk 04:42, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
    • Good points. I'd have no objection to the protection level remaining. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
      • As a general principle, I am not happy for non-admins to close XFDs as delete or merge, and while I share the general enthusiasm for the quality of Rob's closures, I'd prefer to treat that as a temporary crisis measure rather than to facilitate it long-term. So I still prefer full protection, and as a Rob notes this was not what template protection was ever intended for. It does demonstrate a need for Rob to have the admin tools, and I look fwd to supporting Rob's RFA whenever it happens (ASAP, I hope). -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 11:45, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
        • It was my understanding based on WP:CFD/AI that non-admins can close as delete at CfD, and that was the answer I received at WT:CFD before jumping in as well. This seems similar to WP:TFD, where an RfC was held to allow non-admins to close as delete and then CSD tag resulting templates. That's been the process over there for a year-ish now, and if it wasn't, we'd have a backlog of many months by now. Personally, I'm all for the aggressive expansion of the role of non-admins as competent closers. It's one of the low-hanging fruit in the wider struggle to correct the project-wide admin shortage. ~ Rob ^Talk 14:37, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
          • I agree and think it is essentially user dependent. If a non-admin closes CfDs as delete or merge, and they are quality closes, I have no problem with it happening, and I understand that's the general practice now throughout XfD. If there are issues with the closes, they are typically caught early and addressed. We certainly need all the help we can get. Marcocapelle ( talk · contribs) is another non-admin who has been closing lots of CfDs, and he has been doing a great job for a number of months now. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:46, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
            • I also agree with GO'f. A year ago I added a caveat to the prohibition stated at WP:CFDAI on non-admins doing merge/delete closures, on the understanding that this had in practice been permitted for years. It was Timrollpickering who encouraged me to close more CFDs, on the agreement that he would implement them for me, [1] before my RFA back in 2012. – Fayenatic L ondon 22:19, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

• I occasionally perform "delete" and "rename" CfD closures. I use Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot to empty categories or move articles to different categories, and therefore never saw the need for WP:CFDW. SST flyer 10:54, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Comment - Thanks for the note.

As I stated when I BOLDly changed protection, anyone was welcome to revert. So no worries on that count.

As for protection, I had forgotten about the page splitting nonsense, and so technically the page itself isn't transcluded (a sub portion of it which was transcluded, was moved to a subpage).

But that doesn't address why we protect a page. We do so to reduce disruption.

Is anyone present seriously suggesting that someone with template editor priviledges is going to disrupt the encyclopedia's processes? If such an editor does so, they'll lose that priviledge.

Whether non-admin closes are involved, is merely a red herring. If we don't want non-admins to close delete result CFD discussions, that is a SEPARATE discussion.

And no, this wasn't just about Rob. When I changed the protection I was thinking also more broadly, for example, bot users' bots also use that page, and it seems to me that bot owners (as coders) are probably more likely to have template editor as well. Again, if we don't trust those who have advanced privileges, then they'll lose those priviledges. (and what is done at CFD/W can be undone by a bot)

The whole idea behind Wikipedia is "many hands make light work".

Cfd is not a walled garden, let's not give others more excuses to call it such.

Short version: A.) Have a separate discussion about whether you want non-admins to close delete result discussions. B.) keeping the page fully protected would appear to be contrary to the policy laid out in WP:PROTECT. - jc37 15:24, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

As many of you are probably aware, Cydebot experienced an extended outage at the end of August through the beginning of September. Outages were unfortunately nothing new as regards to Cydebot, owing to the server running remotely at a location with flaky power. But unlike all those other outages, the server did not boot back up this time. Something more serious is wrong with it, and since I'm not physically near it I begin to debug and fix it. I've thus migrated all of Cydebot's tasks over to Wikimedia's Tool Labs, which has much better uptime and should drastically reduce Cydebot downtime problems, and have turned down the server permanently.

So I think a eulogy for Cydebot's server is warranted. It all started in early 2005, when I got a small grant of $600 from the University of Maryland to assemble a server to handle collaboration (specifically, source control and wiki hosting) for a four-year research project team I was a member of. Keep in mind this was before the existence of GitHub, Wikia, or almost all of the other cloud-hosted services, which might have obviated the need for the server. The server was named teamgamer, after the name of our team and the domain it hosted. It had middling hardware even for the time, which remained unchanged over the past eleven years.

I ran Teamgamer under my bed in the university dorms, taking advantage of the high speed on-campus network that residential broadband couldn't hold a candle to. This was also when I was starting to get pretty heavily into writing bots for Wikipedia, and naturally I hosted them on the Linux server that I already. In addition to Cydebot, teamgamer also ran AntiVandalBot ( talk · contribs) ( see article here), which scarfed up all edits to Wikipedia in real time, and reverted some of them. I was theoretically supposed to give teamgamer back to the university upon graduation, because it had been purchased with their money after all, but no one asked for it back, so I kept it. It ran in the basement of my parents' house for the next nine years until it finally died last month. My parents deserve thanks for the large number of times they've restarted the server over that period.

And now it's dead. Teamgamer, laughably out of date eleven years later but still perfectly capable of running bot tasks, has finally given up the ghost. In that time period it ran dozens of different tasks, including its most long-lived and high-impact task, processing WP:CFDW. It made over six million edits, which I suspect is some kind of record. Its OS was updated to the latest version of Ubuntu some twenty times, never once requiring a fresh reinstall — it ran the vast majority of Ubuntu releases that have ever existed. Given how important (if gnomish) its long reign was, I figured its passing deserved some mentioning. Good-by teamgamer. I'll miss you. -- Cyde Weys 16:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

(Sniff.) No more pain now where you are, boy ... Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:06, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

AvicBot *should* be back up and running for this task - please ping me if you encounter any errors with him. ^Avic _ennasis @ 12:18, 1 Shevat 5777 / 12:18, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello All, A BRFA has been opened for task approval for an adminbot to perform history merges related to cut-and-paste category renames performed by another bot. Please see the request here: Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Merge bot 2. Questions and comments for the operator are welcome. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:39, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

The distinction beween New York state and New York City is being ignored in tese edits. Please stop until this can be discussed~! Beyond My Ken ( talk) 06:42, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

The move was a bit short-sighted, as "New Mexico Scenic and Historic Byways" is a legal definition, yet there are other scenic byways in the state that got swept into the category in the move. I have restored Category:Scenic highways in New Mexico with the one extant list that does not apply. This is similar to how things are set up with Category:Scenic highways in Michigan where not all Pure Michigan Byways are classified scenic and not all roadways classified scenic are part of the Pure Michigan Byway System (again, that's a legal designation). Imzadi 1979  → 00:44, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Pinging User:The Bushranger and User:Ymblanter as the nominator and processing admin, respectively. -- Black Falcon ^{( talk)} 04:07, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Hm, I wondered about that, but the ones I checked all matched. Bah. @ Imzadi1979:, sorry for screwing that up - there should be a Two Category Solution here, yeah. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:08, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Does it also apply to other states? I mean, do categories need to be checked?-- Ymblanter ( talk) 06:30, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

I think the others should be good, but I'll try to look through them in detail tomorrow. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:45, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done They appear to be all good. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 08:31, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 17:21, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks to some cunning Lua programming by @ Pppery at Module:XfD old, I have created a template to dynamically display the current state of the backlog at WP:CFD and WP:TFD.

The template is {{ XFD backlog}}. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 03:01, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

As seen in this diff at Japanese spider crab. 9 ³ ( talk) 03:10, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@ 93: I believe its because the entry was format on this page with the link to [[WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 17#Category%3AIndo-Pacific_fauna]] instead of the ideal form [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 0]], but thats just a guess -- DannyS712 ( talk) 03:36, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Specifically, the use of "WP" instead of "Wikipedia" and trying to link to the section. -- DannyS712 ( talk) 03:36, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

-- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

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@ Ymblanter: I did a few more:

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 10#Category:México Indígena closed as delete Category:México Indígena
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 9#Category:Parties that campaigned for leave/remain during the United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016 closed as listify and delete Category:Parties that campaigned for leave during the United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016 and Category:Parties that campaigned for remain during the United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016. Both have already been listified, and should be ready for deletion.
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 23#Roman fortifications closed as:
  1. Split Category:Roman Limes - I will add to WP:CFD/W/M
  2. Rename Category:Roman Auxiliary Forts to Category:Roman auxiliary forts
  3. Rename Category:Roman Citadels to Category:Roman citadels
  4. Rename Category:Roman Vexillation forts to Category:Roman vexillation forts
  5. Rename Category:Roman Citadels in Italy to Category:Roman citadels in Italy

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:15, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Also, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 23#French First Republic closed as:

• Merge Category:1802 in the French First Republic to Category:1802 in France
• Delete Category:1800s in the French First Republic, Category:Decades in the French First Republic, Category:Years of the 19th century in the French First Republic, Category:19th century in the French First Republic, and Category:Centuries in the French First Republic

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 01:10, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done all, thank you.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:53, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Also, multiple CfDs at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 11 closed as delete: Category:Sarah Michelle Gellar, Category:Gary Cooper, Category:Kim Basinger, Category:John Ritter, and Category:Don Murray (actor). Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 02:10, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Or @ BrownHairedGirl? (I see that you are actively editing CfDs...) Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 06:17, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

@ DannyS712: done, I think. [5] But please check, and ping me if I missed any. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 06:29, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I was sleeping, we Europeans, have a strange custom of sleeping during different time periods than North Americans. Thanks, Danny and BHG.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:27, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter and BrownHairedGirl: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 2#Category:Health-related timelines by country closed as rename Category:Health-related timelines by country to Category:Healthcare-related timelines. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 07:22, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

And Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 7#Dubbed television programs closed as delete all 14 categories. -- DannyS712 ( talk) 07:26, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

All listed for processing at WP:CFDW: [6]

Thanks for the closes, @ DannyS712. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:04, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

@ BrownHairedGirl: Given that cydebot is not working, I've been emptying some categories using cat-a-lot. while ensuring that a link to the CfD is in the edit summary. Category:Recipients of the Order of Saint Peter of Cetinje and Category:Grand Masters of the Order of Saint Peter of Cetinje can be deleted. -- DannyS712 ( talk) 19:14, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

@ BrownHairedGirl: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 17#Category:Christchurch mosque shootings closed as delete Category:Christchurch mosque shootings. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 02:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Done. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 05:34, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@ BrownHairedGirl and Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 18#Category:Child sexual abuse in religious groups closed as option B: renaming

• Category:Child sexual abuse in religious groups to Category:Child sexual abuse scandals in religions
• Category:Christian sex abuse cases to Category:Child sexual abuse scandals in Christianity
• Category:Judaism sex abuse cases‎ to Category:Child sexual abuse scandals in Judaism
• Category:Mormon sex abuse cases‎ to Category:Child sexual abuse scandals in Mormonism

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:24, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thank you.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 06:49, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Closed as delete:

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 22#Category:Cory Lee songs
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 22#Category:Alexz Johnson songs
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 22#Category:Religion in Brazil by city (2 categories)

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:17, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:00, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 22#Category:ATP World Tour Masters 1000 closed as rename. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 16:37, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 17:02, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 5#Decade films by year closed as merge all. -- DannyS712 ( talk) 02:38, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:59, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: A few more:

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 24#Category:The Killing of Sister George closed as delete
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 24#Category:Utah Aviation Hall of Fame inductees closed as delete
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 24#Category:Recipients of the Order of Abdon Calderón closed as delete

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 01:08, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 24#Category:Wikipedia men closed as merge both Category:Wikipedia men and Category:Wikipedia women to Category:Wikipedia gender. -- DannyS712 ( talk) 05:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 06:30, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter and BrownHairedGirl: A couple more. Also, seeing Izno's comment below, would you be okay with moving it to /working, or even, since its mostly me pinging admins about my closes, User:DannyS712/CfD?

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 26#Category:Buildings and structures in Chleby closed as merge
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 26#Category:Terrorist incidents attributed to Islamic extremism closed as merge
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 26#Category:Education books closed as merge
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 26#Category:Conspicuous Service Cross (New York) recipients closed as delete

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:15, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 05:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 28#Mosques in India by district closed as merge all. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:10, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, doing, should be able to complete today-- Ymblanter ( talk) 05:42, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 28#Category:American "faithful slave" monuments and defenders closed as delete. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 18:31, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 18:34, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 29#Category:Danish Sports Hall of Fame inductees closed as delete both (with an option to listify 1, whose contents I recorded on the talk page) DannyS712 ( talk) 00:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Also, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 29#Category:Death customs in Latin America closed as delete. -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:22, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Both  Done, thanks.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:30, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 30#Karlskoga closed as option B. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:08, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 30#Category:The Growlers EPs closed as delete. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 02:16, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:56, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 21#Category:Tibet freedom artists closed as delete. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 02:13, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

And Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 3#Category:1657 in Estonia closed as merge all. -- DannyS712 ( talk) 03:07, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 05:39, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 20#Category:Pornographic film actors with HIV/AIDS closed as delete. -- DannyS712 ( talk) 07:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thank you. A couple of comments on this one. First, there were some opposes, and technically speaking this discussion can go to the deletion review, and then the non-admin closure could be an issue. I would say for me this is about the upper limit of what a non-admin can close without causing potantial issues even if the close is good. Second, it is a good style to have some motivation for closing, not just keep/delete/merge etc. As soon as there is only one viable alternative and consensus is obvious, it is fine. However, if consensus is less obvious, you should explain why you agreed with the arguments of one side and disagreed or gave less weight to the arguments of the other side. Again, this particular closure is fine, and you can always refer to me, but please have this in mind for the future.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:18, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: should I add a closing statement? My thinking was: If the category is deleted, the parent category is deleted per C1, meaning that DexDor's weak opposition can either be discounted or used as a weak support, since they clearly agreed to delete both. Looking at the use of relevant policies and guidelines, I felt that there was consensus for the deletion. Do you want to me add that there? Or even re-open the discussion? -- DannyS712 ( talk) 07:35, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

I would say it is good to either add a statement or just to refer here. There is no need to reopen the discussion.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:37, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

And Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 22#Category:People from the canton of Vaud closed as a reverse merge. You should probably take a look at that close though, given the little discussion. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 07:15, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, I do not have any issues with this one.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:22, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Thanks for your response above (I don't want to make this too threaded). Also, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 29#St. Gallen closed as rename per option B. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 07:39, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 2#Category:Aspen-Rodel Fellows, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 2#Category:People with bulimia nervosa, and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 2#Category:United States Show Jumping Hall of Fame inductees all closed as delete. -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:11, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 05:46, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 3#Category:Kokomo Mantis FC players and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 3#Category:Union Cycliste Internationale Hall of Fame inductees both closed as delete. Thanks so much for doing this each time! -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:36, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 05:31, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 4#Category:Apple Inc. ex-employees closed as merge -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:37, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 05:43, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 5#Category:Sinhalese script closed as rename -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:13, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 06:41, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 6#Category:Criminal comedy films closed as rename all. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:17, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Also, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 24#Category:Religion in Lithuania by city closed as upmerge, and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 24#Roman limes closed as delete and merge. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 05:28, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

All  Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:40, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 7#Centuries in Afghanistan closed as merge. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:24, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done by Ymblanter ( diff). Thanks -- DannyS712 ( talk) 05:39, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: A few more:

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 01:14, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 06:30, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Also, can someone remove the extra line break after ** [[:Category:International eSports competitions by host]] to [[:Category:International esports competitions by host]]? I think its messing up the bot. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 23:23, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 9#Category:WikiProject Mount Juliet, Tennessee closed as delete. Also, can you see my note above? Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 05:57, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Sorry, I should have done this in one comment, but also:

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 06:08, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks. I am pretty sure linebreaks do not affect the bot, I inserted them many times to structure the list better.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 06:48, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Good to know. Also:

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:21, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

And Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 14#Category:Mosques in Kazakhstan by city closed as merge -- DannyS712 ( talk) 07:17, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 14:28, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Some more:

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:37, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:32, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Some more:

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:48, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 08:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: A few more:

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 11:44, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 12:14, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: A bunch more:

Thanks so much, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:11, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 08:23, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Also, this wasn't my close, but I don't think Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 8#Category:European disability organisations was ever actioned or added to the /working page. -- DannyS712 ( talk) 08:28, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, listed this one as well.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 08:31, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: A few more:

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 11#Category:Legal drama video games closed as delete
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 9#Category:Decibel Magazine Hall of Fame inductees closed as delete 2
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 6#Category:American Hockey League Hall of Fame members closed as delete

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 22:22, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Also,

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:10, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 08:13, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: A few more

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:18, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 06:59, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Thanks. A few more:

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:29, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 06:33, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Some more:

I did not close Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 17#Category:Wake Forest University presidents, since I was the nominator, but I proposed it for merging, and it has 2 speedy merge and 1 merge !votes, so I think the closure is fairly straightforward if you (or someone else) is willing to do it.

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 04:37, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I am pretty busy in the coming days, so that it will take some time, but I will eventually process all of them.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 06:58, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Okay. I'll keep a list, and (maybe) see if any other admins (@ BrownHairedGirl?) are willing to help. Thanks so much for all that you do. -- DannyS712 ( talk) 07:00, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done-- Ymblanter ( talk) 18:06, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: A few more:

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 06:01, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 06:59, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Arbitrary break

@ JJMC89 and Ymblanter: A couple more:

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 15#Category:Finnish supercentenarians - upmerge  Done
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 18#Category:People who were rejected for the Victoria Cross - delete  Done
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 20#Category:Animation festivals - merge  Done
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 20#Category:Video games based on films by studio and subcategories - upmerge  Done
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 20#Category:Video games based on Comcast properties - delete  Done
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 20#Category:Video games based on WarnerMedia properties - delete  Done
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 20#Video games based on (channel) shows - upmerge  Done
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 21#Category:War of 1812 forts in Alabama - merge  Done
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 22#Category:Irish supercentenarians - dual merge  Done
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 22#Category:Ave Maria University alumni - rename  Done
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 22#Category:Fictional Argentinian people - merge  Done

Thanks for helping out with this, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 07:20, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Also,

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 23#Category:Honorary citizen of Munich - delete  Done
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 23#Category:Backstreet Boys portal - delete  Done
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 23#Category:Laicized LGBT Roman Catholic priests - delete
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 16#Category:Apple original programming - rename to Category:Apple TV+
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 14#Category:Religion in Slovenia by city - delete

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 02:50, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

@ JJMC89 and Ymblanter: the pings didn't work -- DannyS712 ( talk) 02:51, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Finally all  Done, thanks.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 21:20, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Thanks. Here are some more, hopefully in an easier format:

-Move/merge, then delete

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 24

• Category:Referendums by cause to Category:Referendums by issue

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 26

• Category:Hungarian engineers by specialty to Category:Hungarian engineers
• Category:Greenland people by occupation to Category:Greenlandic people by occupation

-Empty then delete

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 25

• Category:Places related to the Holy Spirit in religious history

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 26

• Category:13th-century Latvian people
• Category:A letter articles
• Category:Mountain Bike Hall of Fame inductees
• Category:Texas Gospel Music Hall of Fame
• Category:Southern Gospel Museum and Hall of Fame inductees
• Category:Gospel Music Hall of Fame inductees

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:36, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 03:50, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Also:

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 29:
  • Category:People's Republic of China articles missing geocoordinate data to Category:China articles missing geocoordinate data

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 03:36, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

That one requires editing the parameter passed to {{ coord missing}} in each article. The bots won't process it. —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 03:50, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@ JJMC89: in that case, I'll do an AWB run to change it over -- DannyS712 ( talk) 03:51, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@ JJMC89: I've done all the pages - should the bot edit the categories? -- DannyS712 ( talk) 03:57, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Added for subcat processing. —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 04:00, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

This discussion thread goes back to March 17th. Is there any way you could make these requests for category changes on a daily basis rather than have one thread that goes on for 6 weeks? Just for the sake of archiving old talk threads. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:19, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@ Liz: Sure - I'll make a new section for the next set. Sorry, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 04:52, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

No problem, DannyS712. It's just hard to tell what's been done. How about a new "to do" list once a week? It doesn't need to be daily. That would limit the length of the thread. Thank for all of your work, by the way. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:08, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

@ Liz: Okay, that sounds fine. Also, if you have a second, can you check out the new thread below? -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:10, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

5 May

@ Ymblanter, JJMC89, and BrownHairedGirl: I've closed Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 27#Category:Descendants of Cyrus the Great with consensus to merge Category:Descendants of Cyrus the Great to Category:Achaemenid dynasty - would one of you be willing to transfer this? Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:07, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 02:21, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

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7 May

At Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 30, I've closed:

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 30#Category:Child prodigies as delete Category:Child prodigies
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 30#Category:Films featuring Howard the Duck as delete Category:Films featuring Howard the Duck
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 30#Category:Legal categories of people as renamed Category:Legal categories of people to Category:People by legal status

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:11, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 05:16, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Also, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 3#Palaces by city closed as dual merge 11, keep 1. I already dealt with the keep. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 01:42, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Dual merges need to be done manually. You can post it to WP:CFD/W/M. —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 05:16, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

@ JJMC89: Added, thanks -- DannyS712 ( talk) 05:20, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

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Some more

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 7
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 7#Educational organizations: Rename 77
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 7#Category:Festivals named after magazines: Rename 1
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 9
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 9#Trade unions: Rename 12
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 9#Associations: Rename 33
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 11
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 11#Roman Gaul: Rename 5
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 11#Category:People with honorary American citizenship: Delete

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:24, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

@ JJMC89, Ymblanter, and BrownHairedGirl: should have pinged you. I've closed a few more - can someone list them? -- DannyS712 ( talk) 06:19, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thank you-- Ymblanter ( talk) 08:36, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: Also, I realized - is there anything I can do to help with the category once its empty? Like is there / could there be a (unprotected) page for categories that have been emptied/moved/merged and still need backlinks checked? Something similar to WP:TFDH comes to mind. -- DannyS712 ( talk) 08:40, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, but I think this is too complicated. Whatever shows up at CFDW we should be able to check themselves and also decide whether the category needs to be deleted.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 08:47, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

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@ JJMC89, Ymblanter, and BrownHairedGirl: Some more. Thanks so much!

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 13
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 13#Category:Butlers in fiction closed as merge to Category:Fictional butlers
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 12
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 12#Category:Memorials to Fatima Jinnah closed as delete
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 12#Category:Monuments and memorials to David Garrick closed as delete
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 11
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 11#Category:Thai people by rank closed as delete
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 8
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 8#Category:Prison governors closed as merge to Category:Prison administrators

Thanks so much, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 04:06, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 05:20, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia non-empty soft redirected categories has filled up with loads of categories of "Years in..." due to template entries on a recent set of moves. Can somebody have a look and see if they can find an easy way to recategorise them? Timrollpickering ( Talk) 12:28, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Last time I did it by hand. If someone could run a bot it would be great.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 15:44, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter and Timrollpickering: sure, I can do it. Give me a bit to perfect a regex with AWB manually, and I'll file a BRFA -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:46, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/DannyS712 bot 36 -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:59, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Great, thanks.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 05:31, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter: I finished the bot run - it only took ~9k edits, but the non-empty soft redirected categories category is empty -- DannyS712 ( talk) 05:40, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. There's a couple of others that haven't cached into the main category yet:

• Category:Years in women's sport by country
• Category:Years in men's sport

Timrollpickering ( Talk) 08:57, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

This redirect category has a bunch of incoming links which are automatically produced by a template. Could somebody please have a look at the template and correct the links? I tried but I do not see where this is generated. Thanks.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 18:58, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@ Ymblanter:  Done - just waiting for the job queue -- DannyS712 ( talk) 19:15, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 19:17, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@ JJMC89, BrownHairedGirl, and Ymblanter: can you take a look at these? Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 03:24, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 16
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 16#Category:Stingray Digital radio stations closed as rename
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 17
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 17#Category:Ring of Honor stables and teams closed as rename
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 18
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 18#Category:Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao geography stubs closed as rename
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 19
  • Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 19#Category:Red Dead Redemption closed as merge

 Done, thanks.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 05:54, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

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@ Ymblanter, JJMC89, and BrownHairedGirl: I closed a bunch of discussions as "delete" at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 20. The categories to be deleted are:

• Category:Jabbar family
• Category:SuperPower
• Category:Stuntman (series)
• Category:Summoner (series)
• Category:Safecracker (series)
• Category:Slapshdown (series)
• Category:The Book of Unwritten Tales
• Category:Nintendogs
• Category:Ashita no Joe
• Category:Vietcong
• Category:Tap Tap
• Category:Prototype (series)

Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 16:46, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done, thanks-- Ymblanter ( talk) 20:14, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

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@ Ymblanter, JJMC89, and BrownHairedGirl: I closed a few more.

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 5
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 5#People by nationality and status closed as merge 6
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 5#Category:Alabama Academy of Honor members closed as delete
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 4
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 4#Category:History of food closed as merge
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 3
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 3#U.S. presidential primaries closed as rename 5
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 1
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 1#Category:Games Workshop Worldwide Campaigns closed as merge

Thanks so much, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 07:20, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

• Done June 5, will try to complete the rest today. Thanks.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 08:13, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
• The rest appear to have been  Done -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:22, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

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@ Ymblanter, JJMC89, and BrownHairedGirl: I closed a few more discussion. Can you add them:

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 15#Category:Alien abduction phenomenon closed as rename
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 13#Category:Meneses Monroy closed as delete
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 12#Category:Intersex actresses closed as merge
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 11#Category:First Ladies and Gentlemen of California closed as merge

Thanks so much, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:22, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 05:46, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

24 June 2019

@ JJMC89, BrownHairedGirl, and Ymblanter: can you take a look at these? I tried to format them the way they are listed for the bot, to make it easier. 1 will require manual work, and I will list it at WP:CFDWM, but am noting it here for the record. Another closed as consensus to undelete and repopulate - I am willing to repopulate it manually (its just 19 pages) once its restored. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 01:20, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

25 June 2019

@ JJMC89, BrownHairedGirl, and Ymblanter: can you take a look at these? I tried to format them the way they are listed for the bot, to make it easier. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 01:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

15 July 2019

@ JJMC89, BrownHairedGirl, and Ymblanter: can you take a look at these? Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 15:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

17 July 2019

@ JJMC89, BrownHairedGirl, and Ymblanter: can you take a look at these? Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 01:24, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

2 August 2019

@ JJMC89, BrownHairedGirl, and Ymblanter: can you take a look at these? Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:40, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

7 August 2019

@ JJMC89, BrownHairedGirl, and Ymblanter: can you take a look at these? Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:17, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

10 August 2019

@ JJMC89, BrownHairedGirl, and Ymblanter: can you take a look at these? Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:13, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

11 August 2019

@ JJMC89, BrownHairedGirl, and Ymblanter: can you take a look at these? Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:16, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

27 August 2019

@ JJMC89, BrownHairedGirl, and Ymblanter: can you take a look at these? Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:12, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

28 August 2019

@ JJMC89, BrownHairedGirl, and Ymblanter: can you take a look at these? Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 00:17, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

1 September 2019

@ JJMC89, BrownHairedGirl, and Ymblanter: can you take a look at these? All are renamings from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 August 22, where the rename aligns the category with the main article. There wasn't any discussion on the proposals, but given that they were open for the full week and could qualify for WP:C2D I closed them as consensus to rename. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 01:41, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I would like to gauge consensus for requesting a new bot to take over Cydebot's functions. My main concerns with Cydebot right now are:

1. Cyde is no longer very active. I pinged him several months ago but he has made just ~10 edits in the last 2 years.
2. Cydebot's default is to create a category redirect in most (though, oddly, not all) cases of renaming or merging. While this is good in some cases (e.g. Swaziland → Eswatini), it problematic or downright wrong in many others (see just a few recent examples below) and promotes future miscategorization. More generally, I don't think a bot should be creating thousands of pages without either more specific parameters or direct human guidance.
   • Category:ABL templates → Category:Australian Baseball League templates – ABL is highly ambiguous
   • Category:Chicken hybrids → Category:Chicken crossbreeds – hybrid (biology) ≠ crossbreed
   • Category:Former populated places in Palestine (region) → Category:Former populated places in the State of Palestine – Palestine (region) is geographically distinct from the State of Palestine
   • Category:Kamarupa → Category:Kamrup region – Kamarupa (medieval kingdom) ≠ Kamrup region (region of modern India)
   • Category:Ministers of Information Technologies and Communications → Category:Ministers of Information Technologies and Communications (Colombia) – this is ambiguous with a similarly named Indian ministry
   • Category:Nagano in fiction → Category:Nagano (city) in fiction – Nagano is ambiguous
   • Category:Organisations based in the European Union → Category:Organisations related to the European Union – different scope, one tied to location and the other tied to organizational scope/focus
   • Category:Pandion → Category:Pandion (bird) – Pandion is ambiguous
   • Category:Pici → Category:Pici (taxon) – Pici is about an altogether different topic

My preference would be for the new bot to accept manual input when a category redirect should be created—for example, by adding leading text when a redirect is wanted, such as * REDIRECT [[:Category:Foo]] to [[:Category:Bar]].

Any thoughts? I would like to make sure we discuss here before going off to WP:BOTREQ. (FYI: I pinged Armbrust to see if ArmbrustBot could do it, but he prefers to keep his bot as a back-up bot.) Thanks, -- Black Falcon ^{( talk)} 18:43, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

It would be good for a new bot to delete the old category unless required. Cydebot also seems to have a few oddities; for example, during the recent mass moves of election categories, it stalled on moving any category containing a pre-1914 Massachutsetts election. Number 5 7 23:55, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

A couple of others - Cydebot used to process listings on the Working/Long page in parallel to regular entries but hasn't done for a while and this has at times led to big category moves clogging up the system. It used to process entries on the retain page and remove the notices soon after the listings. Timrollpickering ( Talk) 23:57, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for flagging these, too. I didn't realize Cydebot was no longer processing WP:CFD/W/L and WP:CFD/W/R as I've used them only very sparingly. -- Black Falcon ^{( talk)} 03:02, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

A few further ones, though whether we could get a bot to fix them isn't clear:

• When merging categories in the old category doesn't actually get deleted and waits for an admin to do this when going through the backlinks. If the bot could delete the category with appropriate messages it would help. (An alternative would be to not have oodles of blue linked redirects on the working page so surviving categories would stand out. Another would be to modify the notice template to include a direct link to deletion with all the notices included - this already exists on the Speedy notice - so that it's easy for an admin to do the deletion without the tediousness of copy & pasting multiple elements or someone moaning about the detail of how it was done.)
• Backlink checking & adjustment is a major problem. Is it possible to get a bot that can make changes in main article and template space, either as part of the main process or in a dedicated working area?
• There's a real problem with templates, with the bot struggling with them. It's especially annoying when the category is needlessly an entry in a pro-forma rather than basic text at the foot of the page and also when template categories are populated via documentation subpages instead of as a noinclude within the template itself. In both cases the bot doesn't handle them, but I don't know if it's technically feasible to cut through these knots.

Timrollpickering ( Talk) 19:06, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

All valid issues, the last two are especially tedious for user categories... -- Black Falcon ^{( talk)} 20:24, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

I think a user script for merging / moving categories should be pretty easy. I already have User:DannyS712 test/DNC bot.js for going through the pages in a category (in the selected namespace(s)) and applying a regex, so for category moving it would be replace category:A with category:B, and for merging it would be replace with category:B unless category:B is already present, in which case just remove category:A. The script would probably need to be manually triggered until I move to toolforge, but if there is interest I could try to work on one. Thoughts? -- DannyS712 ( talk) 02:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

The biggest issue right now is not so much the actual merging/moving but instead the subsequent cleanup (deleting the old category, fixing incoming links, etc.). I don't think a user script could do those, could it? -- Black Falcon ^{( talk)} 20:24, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

I've posted a request at Wikipedia:Bot requests#Categories for Discussion bot. -- Black Falcon ^{( talk)} 20:49, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

​ ​ ​ ​ JJMC89 bot III is now approved to replace Cydebot. It currently functions the same as Cydebot. For any functionality changes, please start a discussion on this page to establish consensus. —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 23:42, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

@ JJMC89: great news! And thanks for all your work to put this in place.

First issue: Cydebot seems to be still active as of a few minutes ago. It seems to me to be a bad idea to have bots jostling over the same workload. Is Cydebot going to be deactivated? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

I would hope so. That was the whole point of creating a replacement. Cyde never responded when I posted on his talk page, so hopefully someone can contact him to turn it off. —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 02:58, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

It just became apparent that until now Cydebot has not been flagged as a bot at Wikidata. Its category moves should automatically update the linked Wikidata items, but if a bot appears to Wikidata to be a regular user, then it is subject to edit limits in Wikidata.

This resulted in some category changes not being updated at Wikidata when Cydebot was moving a large number of categories that contained relatively few immediate members (hence, Cydebot was making category page moves at an unusually high rate).

For more info see Wikidata Project chat.

Any other bots that move category pages will also need the bot flag at Wikidata. @ Armbrust, DannyS712, Avicennasis, and BU Rob13: please note. – Fayenatic London 20:01, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

@ Fayenatic london: I have no such bot tasks, but thanks for the note. -- DannyS712 ( talk) 20:08, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I think JJMC89 should have been included in that list of pings. * Pppery * _{has returned} 20:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Does anyone know how to get the contents moved over? They seem to be populated by entries on templates on each of the contents but it's extremely difficult to identify just what needs adjusting without creating a sea of red links.

More generally categories populated by template entries need to be strong resisted. They are an utter pain to rename, often requiring either deep indepth switches or substituting the template, and offer very little advantage over manual entry. Timrollpickering ( Talk) 13:16, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

@ Timrollpickering: The category is created from {{ Article history}}'s |ftname=. For Talk:The Office (American season 1), it should be |ftname=The Office (American season 1) to link to Wikipedia:Featured topics/The Office (American season 1). This puts the category at Category:Wikipedia featured topics The Office (American season 1) featured content, but the category was moved to Category:Wikipedia featured topics The Office (American TV series) season 1 featured content. Someone needs to get the categories and featured topics pages aligned. —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 01:35, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

On this day, there was a proposal to rename Category:Lists of userboxes to Category:Userbox galleries for Wikipedia-wide userboxes, and Category:Userbox galleries to Category:Personal userbox galleries for personal userboxes. As an example of a textbook programming mistake, the bot first moved everything from Category:Lists of userboxes to Category:Userbox galleries, and then of course everything from Category:Userbox galleries to Category:Personal userbox galleries, so that Category:Userbox galleries became a redirect, and all userboxes, personal or not, made it to Category:Personal userbox galleries. Does anybody know an easy way to repair the damage, except for crwaling manually through the bot move logs? Thanks.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 11:00, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

No, but I think this has already been fixed. MER-C 20:52, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

It would be unrealistic to ask bots to handle all cases of categories generated by templates, but @ JJMC89: could your bot cover cases like Category:Elections in the United States by year and state to Category:Elections in the United States by year and location, where the member pages have the following line?

parent=Elections in the United States by year and state

The subcat= parameter might also be one to update in other cases. – Fayenatic London 07:05, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Currently, it cannot. I'd like to rewrite the code that I got from Cydebot, so I'll take it as a feature request. Now would be a good time to discuss any other feature requests or changes that the regulars would like implemented. —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 04:15, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh, how I've longed to read those words! :) I have a few ideas/requests if you wouldn't mind waiting until Saturday (31 August). Thanks, -- Black Falcon ^{( talk)} 05:23, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

You've got plenty of time. I don't have time to start on it right away, and I want the regulars to have time to discuss. —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 05:27, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Much appreciated! -- Black Falcon ^{( talk)} 05:30, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

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I propose deprecating Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Large. While the page may or may not have served a purpose at one point, currently it seems to just fragment /Working, and force us to watch and maintain an extra page. There is no particular need to keep the /Working page "clean" of large category changes—category changes in general are not urgent, and so there is no particular need to be concerned about a large change delaying smaller ones. Thoughts? -- Black Falcon ^{( talk)} 00:50, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

But if this list of categories to work on (at least to check backlinks, often to delete) is kept at Categories for discussion/Working, then the page would be flooded by hundreds or even thousands of items all the time, and would be difficult to work with. I though this was exactly the motivation of having a dedicated /Large page.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 16:33, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Large was set up because some huge categories were taking up the bots' time for hours if not days on end and it could lead to confusion when other categories sat in a queue for an excessive long time - I've had a few times when people started trying to take down the speedy notices because the category wasn't listed there then get surprised when it got processed or where follow-up nominations have confused because the categories aren't there yet. Having the big tasks run on a separate track has kept the regular ones ticking over well. Timrollpickering ( Talk) 17:27, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

I see your point, but it is rare for anything to be added to /Large (just 3 instances in the last 4 months), so I think we could deal with these infrequent issues. What ends up happening now is that categories listed at /Large are processed by Cydebot, and then languish for weeks/months because we forget to check/process and delete them. And, if we transfer the categories from /Large to the 'Empty then delete' section of /Working, then they are deleted without an appropriate deletion summary (one that references the new category name).

If we are to keep it, which I still do not think is the best option, then... @ JJMC89: could your bot take over maintenance of the /Large subpage? -- Black Falcon ^{( talk)} 02:17, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

 Already done It has been handling CFD/W/L since it started handling CFD/W. —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 01:27, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Does anybody know how to fix this move? It must be written by {{ pp}}, but there is no code there, and I am not sure where the code comes from (not in the \doc either).-- Ymblanter ( talk) 16:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Ymblanter, done, theproblem was with Module:Protection banner/config. -- Trialpears ( talk) 16:13, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Great, thanks.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 16:15, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Also, please make sure to check backlinks for these meta templates, some of them should be updated. This one was linked to from WP:CAT and WP:PERM/EC for example. -- Trialpears ( talk) 16:51, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

All current backlinks have been updated; the remaining links are from archived/obsolete discussions. – Fayenatic London 19:44, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

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