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Statement by NomanPK44I removed the edit from here [1] because ThePrint is not a reliable source for Balochistan Liberation Army as it has been speculated that it has been supported by India so only third party sources are considered reliable after that I also added a reliable source on that page for the correct size of them [2]. Now if you look to Smuggling tunnel edit I removed the text because it was added using only INDIAN SOURCES no other media source was present there it clearly looks like to be against Pakistan. Because the section was about India-Pakistan so a third-party source should be reliable in this matter rather than all INDIAN SOURCES. Now if you look into the third one [3] I modified it by linking an closed WP:RFC Talk:Battle_of_Chawinda/Archive_1#DID_the_battle_lead_to_Major_Pakistani_victory? while the other discussion here is not closed yet. Now on the last edit [4] another user already told me to go to the talk page and also told me that it is a friendly warning and I already have opened a discussion on the talk page after that [5] NomanPK44 ( talk) 18:24, 12 February 2021 (UTC) Statement by El_CThe diff that I cite in the sanction notice as an example reads (in full): Not sure if other AE admins are with me on this (hopefully!), but I am at the point now of just not wanting to let IPA misconduct be overlooked any longer, for whatever reason, and generally am interested in setting a higher standard in this key topic area with respect to following up trouble with enforcement, firmly so. Noting also my pervious AE action against the appellant a month ago, involving a 2-week partial block from the Insurgency in Balochistan mainspace article due to a 1RR violation (see WP:AEL#India-Pakistan for my log entry). El_C 18:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Statement by Srijanx22As the filer of the report which resulted in topic ban, I would recommend declining because NomanPk44 sees nothing wrong with any of his edits and justifies his edits over what "has been speculated" and continued doubling downing with his poor understanding of what is WP:RS. Srijanx22 ( talk) 19:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC) Statement by (involved editor 2)Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by NomanPK44Result of the appeal by NomanPK44
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Rtr315
User continues to remove reliably sourced content and replace it with original research and poorly sourced content from Hindi Wikipedia, caste association websites, and other poor sources. Sanctions against this user must be placed in order to enforce the ruling of WP:GS/CASTE due to this user's disruptive edits in the topic area. User was warned several times but did not heed them, as seen on User talk:Rtr315.
Discussion concerning Rtr315Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500
words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Rtr315Statement by Chariotrider555User:Rtr315 continues to bear no heed to Wikipedia's policies of WP:RS, WP:OR, or WP:V, as stated above and seen here. [11] The user continues their disruptive and damaging behavior despite User:El C's stern warning on User:Rtr315's talk page. Sanctions must be placed and enforced on User:Rtr315, as they have shown they have absolutely no care for Wikipedia's policies and will continue their disruptive behavior even after all warnings. Chariotrider555 ( talk) 13:28, 24 February 2021 (UTC) Result concerning Rtr315
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I'm reporting 1.129.108.95 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) per the instructions in the outcome of the recent arbitration request. The IP made a number of edits in the same generale style and purpose of the edits of this user and edited the a group of articles they frequently edited. The IP also strems from the range they generally use. T v x1 23:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC) Update: The user has now directly reverted an edit of mine (in fact a blanket revert of a series of edits I had executed), which is another direct violation of the interaction ban. T v x1 03:59, 13 February 2021 (UTC) One remark to Robert McClenon's statement. I think requiring that the person simply limits themself to using the Mclarenfan17 account could also be an option. As far as I can understand it has been truly established that they cannot access that account anymore. T v x1 17:10, 13 February 2021 (UTC) @ Black Kite: what concerns me the most is that the first of the edits you referred to directly reverted a set of edits of mine, which is a clear violation of the interaction ban. T v x1 02:46, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Mclarenfan17Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500
words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Mclarenfan17I find Tvx1's claims to be made in bad faith. I am largely retired these days; I have been doing a bit of editing recently because of virus restrictions. When he first posted here, he could not cite a single edit that he believed that I had made. He even posted to this page a few days ago and was told that he needed something more concrete. Furthermore, Tvx1 made this edit at 22:31 GMT. It ignored a consensus which was established on the article talk page. Then at 23:01 GMT, Tvx1 posted here at arbitration enforcement claiming that I have been circumventing the terms of arbitration, even though he had no proof of it. Tvx1 is well aware that there is only a small handful of regular editors to that article. In effect, he has made an edit that ignored a consensus, them came here almost immediately to try and have sanctions imposed against me to shut me out of the editing process, if I was ever involved in it to begin with; I was, but given that he could not point to any edits that I had allegedly made, this has clearly been done in bad faith. He has not made any other contributions to that article except to circumvent a consensus, and his interest in the topic waned when I went into semi-retirement last year. Tvx1 has a history of ignoring consensus and of wikilawyering, both of which were acknowledged in the original arbitration discussion by the arbitration committee. I think he is trying to use arbitration enforcement to shut editors he disagrees with out of the editing process so that he can then ignore a consensus that he personally dislikes. Furthermore, the device that I edit from has a dynamic IP address. While I am aware of this, I do not know how to switch it off. So while I might appear to be hopping between IP addresses, everything that I have done has been done in good faith. I am not trying to circumvent the arbitration ruling and have generally avoided Tvx1 since I became active again. 1.129.108.95 ( talk) 05:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC) Statement by Robert McClenonI don't know exactly what is meant by an explicit one-account restriction, but I will either suggest or agree with the idea that unregistered editing should be disallowed in the motorsports area, at least in articles that User:Tvx1 has edited. I have tried in the past to be neutral in this dispute because I was previously trying to act as a neutral mediator, but McLarenfan17 has made it impossible for me to be neutral. As a scientist and a historian of science by education, I apply Occam's Razor, which is to use the simplest explanation. The simplest explanation of this motorsports dispute between two editors is that Prisonermonkeys / Mclarenfan17 is gaming the system by the use of IP addresses. It no longer matters whether they have lost their password a second time, or whether they lost it a first time. They know how to create a third account, and their failure to do so can only be explained by trying to game the system and evade the interaction ban. Their statements that Tvx1 is acting in bad faith are a handwave to distract attention from the way that they are acting in bad faith. The way that they can re-establish good faith would be to create a third account. I think that the human who has been User:Prisonermonkeys and User:Mclarenfan17 should be given a choice of two options. First, create a third account and edit only from it, and never from IP addresses. Second, completely retire from Wikipedia and make no edits in the motorsports area. In either case, motorsports articles should be semi-protected. If the human who has been Mclarenfan17 does not agree to one of the two choices, then either the admins at AE or the ArbCom or the community should ban the human, and treat all such edits as edits by a banned user. That's my opinion. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Unfortunately, it's a Whac-a-mole exercise. Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC) Comment by GoodDayClarification needed. Why is any editor being allowed to edit signed-out, when they have a registered account? GoodDay ( talk) 17:27, 13 February 2021 (UTC) His IP range should be blocked, as it appears as though the editor-in-question is giving the figurative 'middle finger' to the project. There comes a point, when the project has to acknowledge when an individual 'may be' -bleeping around- with them. GoodDay ( talk) 21:48, 13 February 2021 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Mclarenfan17
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Flushing Girl
This user came across my watchlist last year, making a series of POV edits related to Eastern Europe and particularly Kosovo. They were given a DS notice by Neutrality in January, [12] and I gave them a final warning earlier this month. [13] One of their main problematic behaviours (repeatedly on several pages) consists of removing Kosovo-related links from lists relating to Yugoslavia successor states, or removing Kosovo-related categories from articles that have categories of other Yugoslavia successor states.
They have been reverted by multiple editors, but continue to make the same type of edits, or repeat reverted ones. Cheers, Number 5 7 21:26, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
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words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Flushing GirlOkay I will leave any articles about Kosovo alone. Thanks. Guys I will not edit Kosovo anymore. I just thought that it was something good because I didn’t really approve of Kosovo in these articles and then I got carried away. I will be more careful next time. I also removed the controversial symbol above as well. Anyway thanks. Look people I just didn’t like the fact that Kosovo was used in the articles about Yugoslavia. I just removed some things about Kosovo but I did because of my opinion that Kosovo is not an independent state. I should have left the articles alone. Anyway I will not change anything at all about Yugoslavia soon. Statement by (username)Result concerning Flushing Girl
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Statement by NicoljausThe administrator who imposed the restrictions put forward two reasons. The first one, as he himself admitted during the discussion on my talk page [48], is irrelevant (he claimed that I admit my HOUNDING of the user and even justify it). In fact, the situation is completely reversed and El_C even warned the user that I "hounded" [49]. So, one of the reasons for the indefinite topic ban can be discarded and I think we should expect some easing of sanctions. The second situation is more complicated. I found in the contribution of Mhorg some features that seemed suspicious to me. When Mhorg submitted an AE request to another user they were "fighting" with, I shared my observations so that a non-involved administrator could evaluate them by making a decision on the request [50]. The administrator El_C in response made some claims that I may have misunderstood. Later, during the discussion on my talk page, he mentioned that the site I link to was in Italian. But there was no indication of this in his message [51] (actually, I don't read Italian either, but I didn't have any problems). I felt that it was necessary to specify more precisely which part of the rule WP:NOTHERE I refer to and specified the corresponding line, that's all. Reaction of administrator El_C seems excessive. I may have underestimated how serious the charge of violating the WP:NOTHERE rule is (my previous wiki experience doesn't give a reason for this). It is also possible that my observations do not provide sufficient grounds for such accusations, but I have not received direct explanation for this. As a result, I find the measures taken, on the one hand, unnecessarily harsh, and on the other hand, do not allow me to understand what is wrong. I write a lot on the subject of the Second World War and the history of Russia and usually had no problems with my fellow Wikipedians. My previous blocks is usually arose from the fact that I was constantly attacked by the sockpuppets of disruptive users such as Crovata or Umertan. (With Mikola22, there was a special story, and I admit that I was wrong). I'm asking for lifting, or, at least the modification of the topic ban) – guys, seriously, what are the problems if I write articles like Dmitry Krasny, Battle of Belyov, Izyum-Barvenkovo Offensive, Alexander Bubnov, 15th–16th century Moscow–Constantinople schism (except for my poor English, of course)?-- Nicoljaus ( talk) 10:34, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
I respectfully request for an extension of the 500 words limit to expand the collapsed part, as the user claims WP:NOTSILENCE: [56]. The new word counter will be about 850-- Nicoljaus ( talk) 08:32, 24 February 2021 (UTC) Statement by El_C
Statement by MhorgMy accuses of Following\Hounding come in relation to this AE
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#My_very_best_wishes.
User:Nicoljaus was trying to find something to discredit my work on Wikipedia (which is public, and I am still waiting for someone to tell me when I have acted maliciously) looking in my edits history... In fact, the user first made an edit
[57] to contest an old edit of mine of
25 May 2020, then accidentally removed all my edit
[58] (with the motivation that he was fighting with an anonymous user, I don't know...).
Statement by involved editor My very best wishesWe have had a discussion with El_C about it on the talk page of Nicoljaus. Yes, I know: admins have discretion. Sure, El_C had a reason for issuing the topic ban. But I do not think Nicoljaus behave so badly to deserve the topic ban. For example,
Statement by Mikola22As for our conflicts in the past is concerned I think they were unnecessary, childish and fight about irrelevant information's, but with violation of revert rules. These blocks are now counted in every possible report against me or editor Nicoljaus. We do not meet in the articles after these conflicts and even if we meet I think we would resolve possible problems in good faith. Current editing of editor Nicoljaus I don't follow so I can't say anything about it, but if our conflicts ie blocks are also counted in this procedure I can only ask the authorities not to take our blocks too seriously, if this can be asked at all (I say this from the present time perspective when these conflicts seem ridiculous to me). Thanks. Mikola22 ( talk) 12:40, 19 February 2021 (UTC) Statement by (involved editor 4)Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Nicoljaus
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Discussion concerning Mb 9702Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500
words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Mb 9702
But yet they removed my edits illegally though Inspite of my reference to genuine sources they are not letting me edit this page Love Jihad illegally by provoking me and trying to insult me. Mainly Gene83k,NarSakSasLee,Suneye1 these are the main conspirators and they are treating this page as if it's their monopoly. And they are complaining against my rightful edit though they are trying to insult another person's belief by saying that its "Islamophobic Conspiracy"in the first para itself and saying that it's taken from genuine and highly researched articles and sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mb 9702 ( talk • contribs) 06:32, 28 February 2021 (UTC) block <NarSakSasLee>,block <Newslinger>,block <Gene93k>,block <ClueBot NG> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mb 9702 ( talk • contribs) 06:44, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
<block> NarSakSasLee as he is repeatedly trying to vandalize the Love Jihad article by illegally trying to hurt others values and religious sentiments by mentioning "Islamophobia" and "Conspiracy theory" <report> <report NarSakSasLee>
On 27th February 2021 Newslinger is not letting me edit this article wrongfully misusing as Islamophobia, Conspiracy theory and trying to hurt ones religious sentiments. Please check. <report> <block> Newslinger — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mb 9702 ( talk • contribs) 07:09, 28 February 2021 (UTC) Statement by NarSakSasLeeI concur [with Bishonen]. Numerous editors have been involved in trying to get him to engage, including me, but nothing has come from it. The editor now seems to be edit warring on the actual Love Jihad page. He appears to be a believer in the conspiracy theory given his most recent edits where he attempts to use politicians as reliable sources on the matter instead of academic sources. I think an indefinite block might work better too. NarSakSasLee ( talk) 22:05, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Just to give you guys an update he is now reporting people individually on WP:ANI for "edit warring" when the entire purpose of his account is to engage in that pastime. Can we finally take some action? NarSakSasLee ( talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
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Statement by PaleoNeonateThe account seems to only have been created to edit that very article. Their user page was even created to only contain "Love Jihad". This indicates WP:RGW and WP:NOTHERE. — Paleo Neonate – 08:01, 28 February 2021 (UTC) Statement by 36.76.234.82The account seems to only used for vandalism, and any time Mb 9702 use the account, it is only use to replace it with wrong information. I believe the user already reported in AIV. IMO, this user should be blocked. 36.76.234.82 ( talk) 09:52, 28 February 2021 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Mb 9702
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning My very best wishes
The user removed with confidence a huge amount of data of the past of politician Alexei Navalny (approximately 7 years of documented pro-nationalist facts and political views from 2007-2013), mainly the controversial one (together with RS), justifying itself in the many (on purpose?) engulfed wall-text-discussions we had [81] [82] [83] [84] [85] mainly in this way: "the page is very big, and we should focus on facts of his biography", [86] abusing everywhere, in my opinion, of the magic word "Undue weight". Or "his views on various political events that had happen many years ago are unimportant", [87] confusing Wikipedia for LinkedIn.
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Discussion concerning My very best wishesStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500
words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by My very best wishes
Statement by NicoljausI think it's enough to look at the "Top edited pages" of Mhorg [160] and the VoxKomm main page [161] to see almost a complete intersection by topics. Obviously, the user here is just WP:NOTHERE.-- Nicoljaus ( talk) 09:05, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Statement by GizzyCatBellaIt looks like AE is being used to win content disputes to me. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 09:28, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Statement by Robert McClenonThe filing editor filed a request at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard on 10 February, which had to do with a survey that had been disrupted by sockpuppetry. The DRN request listed eight editors, the eight who had responded to the survey, which is more than DRN can normally work with effectively. I recommended that the survey, which was sort of an informal RFC, be converted to a formal RFC, with the assistance of a volunteer. Mhorg then requested to put the DRN on hold, which was done. Mhorg then said that there was a complex mix of content and conduct issues, and that they wished to withdraw the DRN in order to file a conduct report, which is this thread. They have now asked me a question on my talk page about the word limit. I can see that they are using a lot of words. I haven't researched the details of the conduct dispute, and have nothing more to add at this point. Robert McClenon ( talk) 19:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC) Statement by Bob not snobOver in the Western side of Eastern Europe, I encountered My Very Best Wishes in this recent edit in which he restored information sourced to Publicystyka Antysocjalistycznego Mazowsza. This is an "anti-socialist" webpage or blog, that is right-wing extremist, and is not a reliable source for anything. The extremist nature is quite obvious, on the archived source itself there is an image of Donald Tusk with a German and Polish flag, with text expressing opposition to the election of a "German candidate" to the Polish presidency. The about page describes how this website was initially the website of the Masovian district of the Real Politics Union, a small extremist political party. The site itself is mainly the work of one individual, Krzysztof Pawlak. When I pointed this out to My very best wishes, he first reverted my post and then later posted on my talk page: "Unfortunately, I do not know Polish, and I am not sufficiently familiar with Polish sources and politics to respond to your comment". Moments before placing this extremist source, he removed content from an academic source. If My Very Best Wishes is unable to assess Polish sources, why is he restoring content removed with the edit summary of "This is not a reliable source"? Bob not snob ( talk) 09:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC) Statement by AlaexisI participated in discussions with both users on the talkpage of Alexei Navalny article, from which most of the diffs in the request come from. It is a content dispute, primarily about what constitutes due weight, and should be dealt with as a content dispute. I don't think that either editor has displayed bad faith in those discussions. Alaexis ¿question? 06:37, 23 February 2021 (UTC) Statement by Paul Siebert
This commentary was made by MVBW on me at ANI: The post was made by MVBW on 19:00, 2 August 2019 (UTC) in this archived discussion)
Moreover, MVBW de facto ascribed his own sins to me. It is easy to see that during that discussion he was opposing to two editors, me and Assayer, and that discussion became "extremely long" not because of me, but because of MVBW's refusal to get a point. The Assayer's opinion on MVBW's behaviour can be found here. MVBW's false statements mislead good faith users at ANI, which negatively affected an outcome of the ANI discussion.
1. MVBW accused me of sockpuppetry 4. MVBW edited his previous post, secrfetly removed the direct accusation of sock/meat puppetry (instead of striking them through) and "summarized" that he didn't accuse me of sockpuppetry (as if that were his original statement). Comments: The MVBW's attempt to conceal the evidences of policy violation confirms he himself was perfectly aware of them. And, that was a double violation: baseless accusations of sockpuppetry, and editing his own comments after others commented on them. Incidentally, an accusation of sockpuppetry was thrown by a user who himself was involved in off-Wiki communication (see Incident #4). This case is very close to what we see here: this diff draws some hypothesis about similarity in Mhorg's and El C's political views. Is there any legitimate reason to post that information here?
MVBW is making some very questionable edits with misleading edit summaries. Thus, he removed ca 70% of the Icebreaker (Suvorov) article supplementing that with an innocent edit summary. Another user reverted it, his edit summary was partially inappropriate, but it was clear from it that MVBW (probably, unintentionally) restored some pro-Nazi vandalism by some IP (that IP was a real pro-Nazi vandal, because it vandalized the Holocaust article). Instead of taking this information into account, MVBW repeated the same vandalism, and, after having been reverted, continued to remove the article's content piecemeal. These edits were by no means innocent. They removed a criticism of some fringe theory that puts a major part of responsibility for WWII outbreak from Hitler to Stalin and makes Hitler looking better. This theory is being enthusiastically supported by many German right wing politicians, and neo-Nazi. (For the record. I already attempted to draw admins attention to repeated restoration of pro-Nazi vandal's contribution by MVBW, but I used not completely correct wording, which resulted in my topic ban for 3 months, and these MVBW's actions had never been analysed by admins.) This incident perfectly fits into Mhorg's description (" This seems to me is his strategy, first he removes everything, then in discussions he abuses everywhere the term "Undue weight" and engulfs them, always remaining vague ... etc").
MVBW was previously known as User:Biophys. This account is currently deleted, but his second account, User:Hodja Nasreddin is still active. Biophys was a member of WP:EEML, whereas Hodja was not used for that activity, and not mentioned in the WP:EEML case. However, a user Hodja Nasreddin made this post at my talk page, where he "friendly asked" me about the origin of my user name. I responded, but didn't pay attention to that until 2019, when MVBW posted a lie about me at ANI (let's be frank: it was a direct lie, and the above analysis perfectly demonstrates that). Before 2019, my attitude to the EEML story was pretty neutral (see this discussion for more details). However, since I was previously informed by a User:Viriditas that they privately discussed me, I decided to read the EEML archive (only those emails where my name was mentioned), to figure out why MVBW asked me about my username. That reading was by no means pleasant. I found that Biophys/Hodja Nasreddin, a.k.a My Very Best Wishes shared my response to his "friendly question" with other EEML members, and ... I do not know if I am allowed to disclose details of that private discussion, I can only say that they concluded that the information obtained by MVBW was insufficient for making anything to me (and probably that is why I was not among EEML's victims). Clearly, MVBW's "friendly" question was by no means friendly, and his edit summary was deeply deceptive (what a surprise). All said above confirms my previous feeling that that user cannot be trusted, and all his posts and edits must be carefully checked for factual accuracy. That means MVBW's contributions by no means improve Wikipedia. I believe the evidences presented here (and other evidences that I am ready to present upon a request) do allow me make that statement, because only those accusations that lack evidences are considered a personal attack, per our policy. In my opinion, this user should be permanently banned from the EE area, because the history of his disruptive activity is long, and it leaves no illusion that some temporary ban may have any positive effect.-- Paul Siebert ( talk) 21:12, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Result concerning My very best wishes
Paul, extension granted. Though, I can't guarantee I'll get to review your lengthy submission or otherwise follow up on this case. (Possibly, there's a misapprehension that I am to fully attend to every request at the AE noticeboard, but I wish to relieve anyone of that mistaken notion.)
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AFPchadking appears to be here solely to POV-push on the Nick Fuentes article and the related America First Political Action Conference. In fact, I suspect the "AFP" in their username refers to this. They have repeatedly cast aspersions against editors at Talk:Nick Fuentes and made what seem like vague threats ("This will no longer be tolerated" ×2; "this kind of stuff is done being tolerated here, we are going to be ameliorating this page imminently"); now they're edit warring despite my attempt to start a discussion at America First Political Action Conference. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:25, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Discussion concerning AFPchadkingStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500
words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by AFPchadkingThe user GorillaWarfare is part of a select group of people who are attempting to control the narrative around certain figures associated with dissident, Right-Wing politics in America. These users have reverted every change made to the above-mentioned pages, including minor grammatical changes. Moreover, the user has a demonstrable bias towards the people and topics in question. This can be observed on a number of pages the user has created, as well as her personal twitter and website. In addition, the user has refused to attempt to reach any sort of compromise on any of the issues above. They often resort to hiding behind or bending the rules to accommodate their biases. I have made no attempt to whitewash or change anything beyond what is fair and within the rules. Moreover, I did not intend to cast aspersions or anything of the sort. I simply meant to imply that I would be editing the page even if the user disagreed with my edits. I, of course, expected a healthy debate with the user, however, I was met with the opposite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AFPchadking ( talk • contribs)
I have no COI, though I appreciate your posting of the rules, as I was not fully aware of them. ( AFPchadking ( talk) 21:42, 5 March 2021 (UTC))
Statement by HipalI just ran across AFPchadking's editing while looking into comments at Talk:Jared Taylor and Talk:Nick Fuentes. I've asked AFPchadking to respond to the likely conflict of interest. I agree that this looks like a NOTHERE situation, likely driven by a COI. -- Hipal ( talk) 19:46, 5 March 2021 (UTC) Given AFP's statement that there's no COI [166], when there obviously is just by the username alone, a ban is needed. -- Hipal ( talk) 23:11, 5 March 2021 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning AFPchadking
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Request concerning Manasbose
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- ତୁମ୍ଭର ପିତା ଓ ରାଜା ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 09:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- Dilip Ghosh (politician) - 2 March 2021: Manasbose undo's without any clarification. 2 March 2021: Manasbose deletd content without any clarification again. 2 March 2021, 2 March 2021: Manasbose uses the same edit summary to edit-war time after time while the statements are connected to his corona-virus with no discussions. [167] [168] Manasbose had previously deleted this any evidence of criticism here slowly for months. 29 April 2020, 14 September 2020, 14 September 2020, 5 October 2020, 5 October 2020.
- At the same time Manasbose added criticsim and defaming news to his Political opponent Mamata Banerjee at regular gaps. 25 December 2020. [169]. [170], [171]. Manasbose edit-wars over it constantly without giving any clarification the edit summaries another Users. [172] [173] [174] [175] [176]. Manasbose deleted reliably sourced accomplishments of her claiming Removed unnecessary information [177]. Manasbose even created a segment called Allegations of Muslim appeasement in the article. [178]. Manasbose has filled this article with criticism and controversies with news while removing any criticism in the article of her opposition politician Dilip Ghosh (politician) [179] [180]
- Hindutva - Manasbose adds content 25 Aug 2020, User:Kautilya3 removed it claiming "Removing UNDUE history for the lead; the sources don't say Chandranath Basu founded a "principle"", Manasbose added it again without any discussion claiming Reverted removal of well sourced contents [181].
- Electoral history of Atal Bihari Vajpayee - Deletes huge content without any clarification on 7 February 2021. [182] [183] [184]
- Delhi Metropolitan Council - Deleted sourced content with no explanation. [185]
- Manasbose also openly supports Hindutva User:Manasbose/About, see the userbox. Nearly all his edits reflects it.
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
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@Manasbose:
1. You "trimmed or removed" content in Dilip Ghosh while adding the same WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTDIARY in Mamata Bannerjee. I informed you I was only including material that had a lot of press attention. [187]
2. 90% of the edit is optimistic about her, while you censored it claiming Removed unnecessary information
3. No decieving, you reincluded it [188] [189]
@ Johnuniq: Manasbose "trimmed" all controversies in Dilip Ghosh, a highly controversial man from 23 April 2020 to 21 October 2020 which he calls as WP:NOTDIARY simultaneously stuffing his opposition Mamata Bannerjee with criticism and NOTNEWS from 28 March 2020 to 3 March 2021. I included only content that received a lot of media attention. If I write everything about him, the page will be brimming with his controversies. [190]. Recently User:Adinew56 is also involved in both articles sugarcoating Dilip Ghosh and defaming Mamata Bannerjee. [191]. I did not include those on my own, I restored what Manasbose deleted slowly for months in the sandbox.
"I recommend that admins keep an eye on both pages in case political supporters decide to manipulate it again to their desires"
ତୁମ୍ଭର ପିତା ଓ ରାଜା ( talk) 07:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
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Discussion concerning Manasbose
Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500
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Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.
Statement by Manasbose
Lets go point by point.
1. In Dilip Ghosh article, I've trimmed or removed mostly some regular statements from his political rallies which falls under
WP:NOTNEWS and
WP:NOTDIARY. On the other hand user ତୁମ୍ଭର ପିତା ଓ ରାଜା (along with
User:Walrus Ji who is currently blocked from editing) continuously added political statements and lawsuits in "personal life" despite many other users in the past reverting their edits. Not to mention user ତୁମ୍ଭର ପିତା ଓ ରାଜା has only edited Dilip Ghosh page and most probably is a
WP:SPA. Also an admin
User:Johnuniq called these edits typical gotcha nonsense
(See:
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1049#User:Amkgp is falsely accusing me of vandalism threatens block)
2. User says I removed reliably sourced accomplishments
, I don't know but I removed "In a statement on 17 October 2012, Banerjee attributed the increasing incidence of rape in the country to "more free interaction between men and women". She said that "Earlier if men and women would hold hands, they would get caught by parents and reprimanded but now everything is so open. It’s like an open market with open options." She was criticised in the national media for these statements." in the same edit too, and it does not look like "accomplishment". As I said earlier, I mostly removed text which I thought falls under
WP:NOTNEWS.
3. In the next edit, I replaced the word "founded" with "first used" as per the sources.
4. I don't know why electoral history of Atal Bihari Vajpayee needs 20-30 more independent candidate who polled less than 1% of the votes? Also, if my memory serves me right, I was the one who mistakenly added them in the first place.
5. If you had so much time to go through my edit history, you should have also seen the talk page. Firstly the page itself was created by me, and User:Modussiccandi tagged the page for deletion on basis of copy paste, so I just removed the questionable part until the discussion was over.
5. I didn't know supporting any particular ideology was a crime in Wikipedia? Isn't Wikipedia supposed to be a website where everyone can edit in civilly order irrespective of their ideology. -- Manasbose ( talk | edits) 10:27, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Statement by Vanamonde93
Manasbose ought to be aware that copying withing Wikipedia [193] requires attribution, given that they received a warning about this from Diannaa 13 months ago, and another warning from me eight months ago. Also, as in the above section about ChandlerMinh, the lack of communication about some of these edits is concerning. Edit-summaries are recommended for most edits; for contentious material, they are an absolute necessity. Vanamonde ( Talk) 16:23, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Statement by Tayi Arajakate
I've encountered some of Manasbose's contributions from time to time and I would concur with the filer that they have an advocacy oriented editing. Many of the articles they have edited are likely going to require a lot of cleanup. For instance, I had to remove a large portion of their addition on 15:19, 24 April 2020, on the page of Mamata Banerjee. The sources made no mention of Banerjee whereas Manasbose attributed a number of riots to her.
Other than this, most of their edits seem to consist of editing pages on elections and state units of the Bharatiya Janata Party. While there is nothing wrong with that in of itself but many of them currently have a promotional tinge. I had also noticed their slow trimming on the page on Dilip Ghosh with smaller edits and over a period spanning months, followed by an edit war over it. This struck me as deceptive and so I reverted their edits on 18:57, 12 October 2020 with an edit summary suggesting the people in dispute to make use of the talk page. The edit warring since then seems to have continued unabated.
I don't think its possible to have a neutral articles in this topic area if this kind of editing goes unaddressed, and especially if it involves lack of communication. I would also state that the filer themselves are to blame for imitating some of this behavior during the dispute from what I can see. Tayi Arajakate Talk 11:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- I just received a weird message on my talk page from an IP user ( Special:Diff/1010385841), with a threat of getting me topic banned and accusing me of being a "paid editor of a political party". Seems more than coincidental that this comes right after I presented my statements here. Note that the IP address geolocates to the same state that Manasbose indicates they come from on their userpage. Tayi Arajakate Talk 07:00, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Statement by Amkgp
A CU has found some evidence of possible sockpuppeting by ତୁମ୍ଭର ପିତା ଓ ରାଜା. See details at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Walrus Ji. Thank you — Amkgp 💬 20:51, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Statement by Dennis Brown
Speaking only to the SPI listed above and not the merits of this case, it is unlikely a block will happen for sockpuppetry, as I've investigated the case and the "link" is between two accounts where one stopped editing before the other started, so there is no possible abuse, so the outcome of the SPI should have no effect on the rest of this case. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:48, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Result concerning Manasbose
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- While Manasbose should be strongly encouraged to use edit summaries, I don't see a clear need for a sanction at this time. The edits from April 2020 are a bit concerning, but the more recent diffs look like a content dispute where both editors involved should stop edit warring and seek outside input. signed, Rosguill talk 05:37, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- @ତୁମ୍ଭର ପିତା ଓ ରାଜା: You started at enwiki in October 2020 and have a total of 38 edits (and a dozen more in the deleted User:ତୁମ୍ଭର ପିତା ଓ ରାଜା/sandbox), all of them related to Dilip Ghosh (politician). Have any of your edits not been to add negativity about him? I looked at a couple of the provided diffs of edits by Manasbose and they seemed ok, or at least not warranting admin action. If you have a couple of diffs from 2021 which clearly show a problem, please post them. I agree that Manasbose should use edit summaries if they wish to continue editing in contentious areas. Johnuniq ( talk) 06:05, 4 March 2021 (UTC)