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2022 Liga 1 U-16

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Same reason as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 Liga 1 U-14. Quoting from there: "Football tournament for children supported by a couple of primary sources. Utterly insignificant within the football world, fails WP:SIGCOV". Geschichte ( talk) 22:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Myong Song-chol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 03:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Jo Hye-hyok

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 03:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Jin In-chol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 03:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Gasper Crasto

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. Apart from a lot of trivial mentions, I found a few promotional pieces about his book ( 1, 2, 3), all of which let us know that the book "is available on Flipkart, and on Amazon for a price of Rs 650 in India, €14.23 in UK, and $14.90 in USA." JTtheOG ( talk) 17:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Page seems like advertisement and WP:PROMO on the subject, likely for the sale of books he has written. The sources do not have any significant coverage on the subject as footballer or even as an author. None of his achievements have any great coverage worthy of notice in the media. This page fails WP:GNG. RangersRus ( talk) 12:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Played football at the highest level in Goa, is that significant? Atlantic306 ( talk) 20:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I read through that, and half way through it blatantly felt PROMO, I would go as far to say as I feel this should be WP:G11. Govvy ( talk) 09:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Yeah, I had that inclination as well but chose to err on the safe side. The article turned six years old yesterday, if you could believe it. JTtheOG ( talk) 16:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment – @ User:Rejoy2003 made a considerable amount of contributions to the article, I would like to see your arguments. Svartner ( talk) 22:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Josue Danny Ortiz Trophy

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Award fails WP:GNG and WP:NAWARD. Extremely limited sources that even mention the award; the two in the story include WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS in discussion of Danny Ortiz. Additional sources not included are also trivial mentions that do not provide significant coverage. Propose to redirect to Danny Ortiz. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 15:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Valmir Nafiu

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Does not appear to pass WP:GNG or any of the WP:SPORTS criteria. None of the other language wikis have sources that are either a)independent or b) provide significant coverage of the subject. Doing WP:BEFORE reveals only a few pieces of routine coverage. Out of the sources here: [1] and [2] go in depth, and seem to be independent. No clue about reliability.

[5],[6],[7],[9] aren't independent, due to being published by his former club.

[8] does not mention him.

[3]&[4] are just routine coverage mentioning that he played in a certain match.

[10] is a data base entry, which isn't in-depth.

This leaves us with two sources, both of which were published the last time this article was deleted.

(Disclaimer: found this page through a CCI, and I've deleted a paragraph over copyright concerns. The only source I deleted, however, also did not mention the subject.) GreenLipstickLesbian ( talk) 08:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep Yes the article has weak sources which are pretty much primary sources, but that doesn't negate the article, it needs a clean up. Besides you have other sources at de:Valmir Nafiu, [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], lots more with stuff on him, poor nomination, WP:BEFORE clearly not done correctly in my opinion.. Govvy ( talk) 08:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment The German wiki has 9 sources, 7 of which are not independent. Of the other 2, one is stats and the other contains little info on him. Your sources are interviews, non independent websites and match reports which isn't sigcov. Dougal18 ( talk) 09:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • ...Did you actually read those sources? They clearly do not amount to GNG coverage. 1: interview by his football club Red XN. 2: interview in Telegrafi with 1 independent sentence on him Red XN. 3: his football club Red XN. 4: part of 1 sentence in a routine transaction announcement Red XN. 5: part of 1 sentence in a routine match recap Red XN. 6: 1 sentence in a routine match recap Red XN. If you're going to accuse others of being lazy with their BEFOREs maybe don't use such obviously garbage sources as examples of what they missed. JoelleJay ( talk) 17:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Alexander Frank

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I'm unsure if this footballer is notable. Most of the cited sources seem to be interviews ( primary sources) and I'm not finding much else in Google search results, though it may be possible that significant coverage exists in additional foreign-language sources.

This article was PRODded and deleted in 2020, albeit with less substantial content. However, I believe the notability concerns raised then apply to the current version as well. Complex/ Rational 18:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment My foremost concern would be the reliability of the sources. What are these news outlets? Geschichte ( talk) 19:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I found [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], among many more sources. The news outlets are Tajik media outlets and he has been covered by various Tajikistani news outlets. Cleary was significant figure in Tajik football who played for three Tajik teams and helped Istiklol win AFC President's Cup. Defintiyl also has offline sources, having played in pre internet era also. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 23:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep – Per sources above. Svartner ( talk) 02:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Tajikistan doesn't have freedom of the press. This is a serious concern regarding the sources. Geschichte ( talk) 08:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
That probably does not apply much to football news and even then the recent tightening of media occurred after most of these sources were published. He has been covered by various Tajikistani news outlets. Cleary was significant figure in Tajik football who played for three Tajik teams and helped Istiklol win AFC President's Cup. Defintiyl also has offline sources, having played in pre internet era also. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 10:05, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Bivesh Gurung

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Footballer that does not appear to have played a full professional game. Sources are mostly local papers and match reports. Black Kite (talk) 21:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect. Mostly the references were about match reports which doesn't indicate notability. But with this reference, I would prefer to redirect to Maidstone. Fade258 ( talk) 08:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. Nowhere useful to redirect to, the 'current club' will be out of date in due course. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete – Per @ User:GiantSnowman. As he is a professional player in England, if more sources are located, I will change the vote. The problem seems to be about WP:SIGCOV. Svartner ( talk) 22:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Arya Igami Tarhani

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This footballer does not appear to have played a professional senior game, only junior ones. Black Kite (talk) 21:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • I missed that. However a player that has played one professional game doesn't seem at all notable to me, coverage seems routine. Black Kite (talk) 07:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Yes but that game was a couple weeks ago and his new professional career just started so an odd time to delete when he's likely to get coverage over the upcoming season. I agree with draftify for now. DCsansei ( talk) 19:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Damián van der Vaart

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This 17-year-old footballer doesn't appear to have even played a full professional game for any club. It seems that most of the news stories about him are due to him being the son of Rafael van der Vaart. Black Kite (talk) 21:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect to Rafael van der Vaart#Personal life, where he is already mentioned extensively, per ATD and CHEAP. This is a youth player in all his clubs. gidonb ( talk) 22:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. We should probably shift to write articles about footballers that have accomplished something within the sport, so as to avoid newspaper articles based on pure speculation. The latter sources come naturally with young players, especially children of former players. Geschichte ( talk) 05:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per gidonb. Clara A. Djalim ( talk) 09:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Draft 17 year-old footballer who has yet to start his career. Best served in draft space, if he does play, then he plays and has his own coverage. Redirecting would just hide him, draft is a better of the choice. Also if people goto the article, they can then see there is an article to work on in draft space. Can't be worked on if it's a redirect! :/ Govvy ( talk) 09:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Redirect as above. Due to famous father, likely to be searched and then re-created when a redlink comes up. A redirect removes that risk to some degree. Giant Snowman 19:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

FK Kozara (Sweden)

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Expanding on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Srbija FF and several others, I don't see this low-level Swedish football club meeting GNG. Modest history peaking on the 6th tier. Geschichte ( talk) 20:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

FC Giffarna

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Expanding on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Srbija FF and several others, I don't see this low-level Swedish football club meeting GNG. Modest history peaking on the 6th tier. Geschichte ( talk) 20:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

BK Skottfint

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Expanding on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Srbija FF and several others, I don't see this low-level Swedish football club meeting GNG. Modest history peaking on the 6th tier. Geschichte ( talk) 20:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

2022 Liga 1 U-14

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Football tournament for children supported by a couple of primary sources. Utterly insignificant within the football world, fails WP:SIGCOV. Geschichte ( talk) 19:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Ally Ridgers

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Non-notable footballer who has been attached to clubs at a higher level, but has never appeared above the (part-time) Scottish fourth tier. No evidence of significant coverage - the two references are to an article about his brother, in which he gets a passing mention, and a match report of a Highland League game. I have been unable to find much else other than this BBC article [ [12]] about him joining Inverness Caledonian Thistle as loan back-up; he was a substitute for them in the SPL, but made no appearances. Jellyman ( talk) 19:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Lukáš Jánošík

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I can't find any in-depth coverage for this Slovak men's football player to meet WP:GNG. The only news website I found regarding him is an injury, but something tells me that it's more of a trivial mention. Using the keyword "Lukáš Janošík" on Google, even with "site:.sk", my search results only came up with database, club websites, passing mentions, and *facepalm* random namesakes. Clara A. Djalim ( talk) 09:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. Over 130 first-tier games over a 9-year period, 2016–17 league champion as well as one stint playing abroad - usually doesn't look like a deletion candidate. I haven't had the time to look for sources yet. Geschichte ( talk) 16:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. Some quick links, assessment later. [13] [14] [15] [16] Geschichte ( talk) 19:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. I added two references and expanded the page past stub status. If nominator @ CuteDolphin712: agrees these count as "in-depth coverage to meet GNG" I would request an early close here. C 679 11:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    • The only possible GNG material is Mladá fronta Dnes, which you added on "MSK Žilina" sub-heading (first and second paragraph). The rest of additional sources are routine announcements. Clara A. Djalim ( talk) 12:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Logan Cousins

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Young footballer played a few minutes in a cup game. Does not yet meet GNG, only gets passing mentions and routine coverage. The article in a club magazine isn't independent. Could also be draftified as an ATD. MarchOfThe Greyhounds 08:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Vann Tailamey

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Footballer bio fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORTS. The only available sources are WP:ROUTINE game coverage, which does not convey notability, and reference/database sites. No evidence of the minimum one piece of WP:SIGCOV required for athletes. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 23:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Abdulellah Jerman

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Played 6 games at professional level about 10 years ago and then disappeared. The article is a stats stub and doesn't demonstrate a passing of WP:GNG. The only sources that I could find were trivial mentions in Hihi and a forum post in Al Iraq. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Ziyad Al-Mutairi

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Stats stub on a footballer that played 30 mins of professional league football 10 years ago and then disappeared. My Arabic searches failed to yield anything about a footballer of this name and only gave me some coverage on a fencer of the same name. No evidence of meeting WP:GNG or even WP:SPORTBASIC #5. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Mohammed Al-Abdooli

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Made 6 appearances at professional level before disappearing. This article is completely lacking in decent sourcing for a BLP and WP:GNG doesn't seem to be met. The best source that I could find was UAE FA, which only mentions him once in passing. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Abdullah Majrashi (footballer, born 1990)

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I can't find any decent coverage for this footballer that only played one professional match. My Arabic searches are yielding coverage about Abdullah Majrashi (footballer, born 1997) and Ali Majrashi but nothing about the one born in 1990. No evidence that this footballer complies with WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC #5. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Tomáš Chovanec

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Long-unsourced article of a Slovak men's footballer who mostly played in small football clubs before disappearing in 2019. I could only find a story of his transfer to MFK OKD Karviná, which is routine and not significant coverage. Under the keyword "Tomáš Chovanec", Google searches mostly find other men of the same name than this footballer, failing WP:V too. Clara A. Djalim ( talk) 10:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

List of MLS Cup broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:INDISCRIMINATE WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS; one is a Twitter post, one is a now a dead link and the other is an announcment; neither doing anything to establish notability and the rest is unsourced. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 06:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete – Per nom. Svartner ( talk) 09:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Over 120 different sources have just been added, bumping the current total to about 123 references. If that doesn't establish the notability, then I really don't know what else there is that could do it. Also, Major League Soccer, is one of the big five North American professional sports leagues alongside the NFL, NBA, Major League Baseball, and NHL. It's also the official #1 professional soccer organization in North America, and has been since it launched in 1996. Broadcasting information about the MLS Cup is further detailed in the individual articles for each MLS Cup event. So it isn't like there is little remote interest about this particular subject overall. BornonJune8 ( talk) 10:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    This will definitely pass in 2009 but c'mon, this is 2024. Sourcing guidelines has changed since. First of all, Twitter does not count as a WP:RS, neither do YouTube. Bornon, Have you ever voted delete in any of my nominations? SpacedFarmer ( talk) 12:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Big 5? LOL No such thing. Of course, there's the big 4. Back to the subject; these all consists of announcment posts, WP:PRIMARY, two are Twitter posts, most others are about the game and less the broadcasting. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 12:15, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per failing WP:LISTN. I reviewed the sources and I can chalk it up to this: TV announcements ( WP:NOTTVGUIDE), WP:PRIMARY from mlssoccer.com, and of course WP:ROUTINE announcements about the schedule/broadcasting team. None of which provide justifiability for this article's existence. Conyo14 ( talk) 15:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply

@ SpacedFarmer: First of, why do you insist on replying to virtually single counterargument that somebody makes when you make an AFD? That's if you ask me, bordering on WP:BLUDGEONING? Also, like I said, there's broadcasting info in the individual MLS Cup articles themselves, such as the very first one in 1996. They're sourced or as good as the sources could possibly or remotely be. Here's some further articles about the MLS Cup broadcasting coverage, after the fact. BornonJune8 ( talk) 7:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Furthermore, Major League Soccer actually is considered part of the "Big 5" among North American professional sports franchises. Los Angeles Football Club, according to this article, was in the year 2023, valued at over $900 million. That's more than the Pittsburgh Penguins, Seattle Kraken, and Calgary Flames of the NHL. BornonJune8 ( talk) 7:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Further information that includes details about radio coverage, television ratings (including local markets), and international television coverage (such as the networks and commentators) have now been added to hopefully provide some better context. BornonJune8 ( talk) 05:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    • As of now, there are over 200, almost 300 references in the article. BornonJune8 ( talk) 05:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
      Argue how you like but I don't understand why is it necessary for have this list? Why not merge it to the one about the league instead? As it being the 'big 5', ask an American how popular it is there, they laugh at you. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 10:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep this clearly passes WP:GNG, and the nomination statement is clearly flawed. NOTTVGUIDE specifically allows historically important television information, and this is looks at the history of broadcasting. The other WP:NOTs outlined in the deletion rationale - I've been at AfD enough to know that they're a grab bag of WP:IDONTLIKEITs - this isn't a database, the sources aren't routine, and now we're wasting time on this here. SportingFlyer T· C 16:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Also since a couple people have used WP:ROUTINE - that clearly doesn't apply as even though not every source qualifies for GNG, there's plenty of national coverage of the broadcasters and game ratings, including from Canada's National Post. WP:NOTDATABASE is also clearly wrong - this article is mostly prose. SportingFlyer T· C 23:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete WP:LISTN is not met as this grouping isn't discussed in secondary sources. Let'srun ( talk) 22:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. This seems clearly true? There are many, many references and the broadcast every cup is compared to all of the previous cups, making a list a properly notable topic. SportingFlyer T· C 22:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I understand that, but what WP:THREE would you say do this? Let'srun ( talk) 13:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Leaning Keep per BornonJune8 and SportingFlyer. There's nearly 300 references and much well-sourced text describing the history of MLS Cup broadcasters; I don't think it could be merged anywhere. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 22:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    300 sources, I'd advise BornonJune8 of WP:REFBOMBING. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 07:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Furthermore, according to this article on MLS' attendance, Major League Soccer in the year 2022 had a higher average attendance than the NBA and NHL in 2022–23. MLS that year had an average attendance of 21,033 whereas the NBA had an 18,077 average attendance and the NHL had an 17,101 average attendance in that same time frame. In 2023, MLS set a new season long attendance record. BornonJune8 ( talk) 08:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Pretty idiotic comparing leagues taking place to a stadium vs one in an arena. Like comparing apples to oranges. Still, doesn't make it any bigger considering the size of those stadiums.
I cannot give the figures now as NHL is in a playoff, so cost of tickets will be higher but the average ticket for an NHL game costs $94. according to [17]. A ticket to see DC United will cost $21 according to Ticketmaster. Again, this list is not about how big MLS is to Americans. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 08:44, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
For the record, the average seating capacity of a Major League Soccer stadium is said to be between 18,000 and 30,000. PayPal Park, which is home of the San Jose Earthquakes, is currently the smallest MLS stadium at about 18,000 seats. Meanwhile, the average NBA arena has a capacity of 18,790. And the average capacity of an NHL arena is around 16,000–20,000. This is not like comparing an NBA or NHL arena to an NFL stadium, which has an average seating capacity of 60,000–80,000. The current smallest NBA arena in terms of capacity is the State Farm Arena in Atlanta, which has a 16,600 maximum capacity BornonJune8 ( talk) 09:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
What does this have to do with the broadcasting teams? Conyo14 ( talk) 16:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Comment: I'm open to a redirect to MLS Cup Playoffs as a WP:ATD. I do think as presently structured that this fails WP:LISTN. Let'srun ( talk) 03:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: Per SportingFlyer. This is extensively referenced and shows clear WP:SIGCOV, while appearing to meet WP:LISTN. ...to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans – What kind of opinionated and completed irrelevant nomination rationale is that? Hey man im josh ( talk) 16:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Francis Mensah

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Another poorly sourced BLP with no WP:SIGCOV demonstrated. The best that I can find are Abidjan 1 and Abidjan 2, both passing mentions in Ivorian media. The Feyenoord mentioned is the one in Ghana, not the Dutch team. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks for restoring it. I'm not going to withdraw this AfD yet as I don't think that it's enough on its own for a GNG pass. The coverage is Fifteen-year-old Francis Joe Mensah is one of the academy's best players, a lightning-quick, technically solid, left back, who can also play left wing. He predicts he will make it in Europe. He says he has no fear of failure. followed by a quote from the subject. I also think WP:YOUNGATH might apply given the age of the subject at the time (the coverage does not seem to be substantial and prolonged). I'd be interested to know what others think. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - no evidence of notability. One source on its own not enough. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Ibrahim Babangida (footballer)

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I've been unable to find if this Nigerian footballer who recently died in a car crash passes WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Duke of New Gwynedd ( talk | contrib.) 10:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

He won the 1993 FIFA U-17 World Championship. Don't delete the article. 186.176.235.73 ( talk) 11:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
That has no relevance to SPORTCRIT or GNG Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • An ATD is to merge/redirect to Tijani Babangida where he is currently mentioned, not least since Tijani was in the same car crash. Another alternative to deletion would of course be to find sigcov in the Netherlands. Geschichte ( talk) 14:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    He play at the Eredivisie and won the Nigerian Premier League in 1992. 201.206.42.68 ( talk) 01:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I think there's enough coverage of his death, including pieces like this, which show notability. He had 50+ games in the Dutch professional leagues, the issue is searching is skewed to just reports of his death. Giant Snowman 12:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - Per GiantSnowman. Player with sources and pro career including 50+ appearances in fully pro Dutch league and definitly has more offline sources. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 01:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Christian Nanetti

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This footballer, who seems to have never played in the top 3 tiers in Italy or top 4 tiers in England, was deemed non-notable in an AfD discussion in 2020. I can't find signicant coverage in reliable sources published since then that would suggest he is now notable – per WP:GNG, as WP:NFOOTBALL is obsolete. The article content is not the same as the version deleted in 2020, so WP:CSD#G4 does not apply. Complex/ Rational 17:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • 1. seems okay, but not sure it's WP:SIGCOV, 2. per WP:THESUN, The Sun is deprecated and its articles do not contribute to notability, 3. very short, mostly quotes 4. short, mostly quotes, 5. a Wordpress blog – is the author a "subject-matter expert"?, 6. very short, mostly quotes, 7. short, mostly quotes, 8. one sentence mentions him, 9. per WP:DAILYMAIL, The Daily Mail is deprecated and its articles do not contribute to notability. So, of the nine sources you listed, one might be SIGCOV. Based on these sources alone, I don't see that Nannetti's a clearly significiant figure in English lower league football. Robby.is.on ( talk) 20:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply
All the sources show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 20:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ GiantSnowman:, All many the sources from a variety of newspapers/news portals above are about him and go into his background and show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources about him show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article fail WP:SIRS, and the sources listed above none are independent significal coverage addressing the subject directly and indepth. Found listings, name mentions, nothing that meets WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing.  //  Timothy ::  talk  15:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
All the sources are about him and go into his background and show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources about him show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 23:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete. I don't think the heavily-interview-based sources noted above are enough for GNG. Tabloids and other deprecated sources obviously are unacceptable in BLPs and should be removed on-sight. JoelleJay ( talk) 00:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
All the sources are about him and go into his background and show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources about him show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Isaac Álvarez (footballer)

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Has only two datbase entry / stats sources. Main statement is that he was on the team for a South American championship but didn't play. North8000 ( talk) 14:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC) reply

 Comment: From the DICCIONARIO BIOGRAFICO DEL FUTBOL BOLIVIANO (1930-2000):

"Nombre completo: Isaac Álvarez Moscoso. Apodo: La “Araña negra”. Nacimiento: Cochabamba, 6 de julio de 1933. Posición: Guardameta, No 1. Padres: ..... Esposa: ..... Hijos: Jorge Isaac, Jenny Carmiña, Martín Erick. Estudios: Primaria Escuela Carrillo, Secundaria Colegio Carrillo de Cochabamba. Otros Estudios: INSEF. Profesor de Educación Física. Cursos de Dirección Técnica. Clubes: En el Club 31 de Octubre (1963), de La Paz. Participación en la selección: Es Campeón Sudamericano de 1963. Jugó por la selección boliviana dos partidos oficiales (1963-1965) y fue batido en tres oportunidades. Es Campeón Sudamericano Invicto 1963. No tuvo participación oficial en dicho campeonato figurando en la banca. Dirección Técnica: Fue Preparador Físico en The 16 Strongest (1990). Otros Datos: Practicó el Atletismo, el Básquetbol, el Voleibol y el Fútbol. Distinciones: El gobierno mediante la repartición respectiva condecoró con la Medalla al Mérito Deportivo en el Grado de Caballero del Deporte, al cumplirse los 40 años de la conquista del XXI Campeonato Sudamericano. Además de ser acreedor a la pensión vitalicia de 4 sueldos mínimos mensuales."

There is also a bit of coverage here, which although not published in a reliable source, is definitely more evidence of notability. JTtheOG ( talk) 17:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    • @ GiantSnowman: What's wrong with the ~170 word encyclopedia entry listed above? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply
      Based on Google Translate, it covers the names of his children and the schools he went to in brief list form, and then briefly covers his playing career and then his pension... it's not enough on its own. Giant Snowman 15:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply
      It gives a decent enough bit of coverage for SIGCOV I think:

Full name: Isaac Álvarez Moscoso. Nickname: The “Black Spider”. Birth: Cochabamba, July 6, 1933. Position: Goalkeeper, No 1. Parents: ..... Wife: ..... Children: Jorge Isaac, Jenny Carmiña, Martín Erick. Studies: Primary School Carrillo, Secondary School Carrillo de Cochabamba. Other Studies: INSEF. Physical Education Teacher. Technical Management Courses. Clubs: At the 31 de Octubre Club (1963), in La Paz. Participation in the national team: He is the 1963 South American Champion. He played for the Bolivian team in two official matches (1963-1965) and was beaten three times. He is the 1963 Undefeated South American Champion. He had no official participation in said championship, appearing on the bench. Technical Direction: He was a Physical Trainer on The 16 Strongest (1990). Other Information: He played Athletics, Basketball, Volleyball and Soccer. Distinctions: The government, through the respective distribution, awarded the Medal of Sports Merit in the Degree of Knight of Sports, on the 40th anniversary of the conquest of the XXI South American Championship. In addition to being a creditor of the lifetime pension of 4 minimum monthly salaries

  • Keep - The above source is pretty comprehensive and he definetly has more offline sources, having won the 1963 South American Championship with the Bolivia national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 07:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Sirimongkol Rattanapoom

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Nothing has been written that suggests notability, and any argument like there being sources that are full-length can shake the elephant in the room, the Catch-22 if you will: if this player is so notable, why isn't he playing? He's played zero minutes this season in Belgium's amateur third division. He has no international appearances, and in all due respect it's easier to be chosen for Thailand than for Brazil or Spain. He's 22 this month, so if he's some special player who passes WP:GNG without any professional appearances, when are they going to come? I know people like to make articles about teenagers at big clubs, based on hype press, but a 22-year-old at an amateur Belgian club is clearly a different kettle of fish. While I disagree with the old WP:NFOOTY regulation that a player was notable as soon as they made one professional appearance, it's a good measure at least. Also bear in mind that [27] this source comes from King Power, the Thai company that owns his Belgian club, so it is not independent anyway. Additionally, the creator made this article as an incomprehensible quote farm from Google Translate, suggesting an unfamiliarity with Thai sources. [28] Unknown Temptation ( talk) 09:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - @ GiantSnowman:, I found [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], among manu more Thai sources. Clearly sigifficant young player in Thailand with ongoing career. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 19:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Based on Google Translate: source 1 is brief coverage about 4 Thai players playing in Belgium; source 2 is not independent as per the nom; source 3 is paywalled; source 4 is routine transfer coverage; and source 5 is brief coverage about him playing for Thailand under-23. Where is the significant coverage? Giant Snowman 20:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I do not know how you interpreted the first source to be "brief coverage about 4 Thai players playing in Belgium", it is about him and most of the text is solely about his background alone. The third source is also not paywalled. The fourth source is sedifnityl not "routine transfer coverage" since he joined the team much earlier and it goes into his background as well. Clearly sigifficant young player in Thailand with ongoing career who has played for the Thaialnd olympic team and is one of few players abroad. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 21:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply
An Olympic team is an under-23 team. Footballers at the Olympics get some coverage, but per Football at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament, the only Thai going there at all is a VAR. As I said before, it's not hard to play senior football for Thailand, so if this guy is so great, why isn't he? Why are we treating someone as an exceptional promise for the future if he can't play for Thailand or for a third-division Belgian club when he's 22? Is that really an "ongoing career"? Unknown Temptation ( talk) 23:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC) reply
As I said before, the sources are good. Your other argument doesnt make sense because there are lots of notable footballers with good sources with Wikipedia pages who have not played for Thailand and saying its "not hard to play for Thailand" is completely dismissive. On the contrary, he is considered skilled enough to play abroad, which few Thai players do. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 20:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: I know people like to make articles about teenagers at big clubs, based on hype press – that may be the case, but I'm not sure there's any policy-based guidance that defines "hype press" or categorises them as unreliable for the GNG's purposes. That said, the Ballthai article appears to be the only in-depth piece of independent coverage. The others are brief updates and short interviews. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 09:14, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Besides the Ballthai one, the other sources contain secondary coverage like "showed impressive form... is a versatile player in Midfield position Able to play both offense and defense. His highlight is his sharp reading of the game. And the interception is quite accurate. He is the third generation product of the Fox Hunt program" etc. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 11:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC) reply
As I said, they're brief. Maybe they could be considered significant taken together, but that's up to interpretation; I'm not yet convinced either way. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 15:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Albert Tjåland

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This succumbed to an AFD before, but since then it has been recreated due to "coverage in international media". It happened at a time when the player was looking to be moving up in the football hierarchy, but with all due respect to the player, the career has stagnated, which I think allows us to see the subject in a clearer light. In an encyclopedic sence, Albert Tjåland fails WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:SUSTAINED, WP:TOOSOON, WP:SIRS and as a consequence WP:SPORTCRIT.

  • ABT was a child whom international media took a novelty interest to.
  • His football career has not panned out. He plays on the fourth tier, has never played a league game for a first team, only reaching as far as appearing 6 times on Bryne's bench - as well as playing a cup game for Molde, which for WP:PEACOCK reasons is called "a professional debut". Nothing he has done remotely resembles a significant accomplishment within sport.
  • While there was coverage in many countries, there reports about various accomplishments in children's games lack significance, and was all the more packed with speculation and hot air. A big breakthrough is not currently looming on the horizon, and while it might of course happen one day, we have the too soon guideline for a reason.
  • The press coverage was exclusively motivated by him having a famous relative. Albert and Erling have similar names and likenesses, and joined the same club (Molde) as a youth player. Take the relative out of the equation, and what are you left with? Notability is not inherited from relatives. Geschichte ( talk) 09:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, passes GNG with significant coverage.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 12:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • There is no significant coverage, just churnalism. As I took the time to explain why I think so above, I think you should explain your view as well. Geschichte ( talk) 07:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - Per Ortizesp. Young player with ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team and many good sources already. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 07:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment. My further thoughts are that the keep opinions are annulled by their lack of explanation and non-existing response as to the nomination statement, which detailed a failure of several policies. "significant coverage" and "many good sources" are unfounded opinions; "ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team" is false, Tjåland has an ongoing career with a semi-pro B team on the fourth tier. Geschichte ( talk) 07:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Each of the keep assertions in this process make claims of notability. Let's examine those claims: 1) Passes WP:GNG with WP:Significant coverage? The burden is on those wanting to keep, and this page is wanting sourcing which directly details, as WP:SPORTSPERSON requires. 2) Young player with ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team and many good sources? So what? None of those adjectives or sources directly details the subject in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. We have stats and routine sportsnews mostly linked to a relative. This is a biography for a living person. Delete. BusterD ( talk) 14:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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