The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Consensus after the relist and the list's improvement indicates clearly that it now meets
WP:NLIST.
(non-admin closure)ansh.
666 01:51, 26 March 2022 (UTC)reply
I know this was created in good-faith by a productive editor, but jesus there have been so many shitty articles created about this war, and this is one of them.
Curbon7 (
talk) 08:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment as nominator I'm more or less fine with the article at this point, mostly thanks to the excellent work by
Neutrality. It's probable that we will re-visit this and many other of the war articles later down the line, but for now it's in acceptable state in my opinion. For the record,
this is what the article looked like when I nominated it, so I fully stand by my decision to nominate it at the time. (n.b. This is not a withdrawal (per
WP:WITHDRAWN), and the other arguments should still be taken into consideration by the closer. I'm just stepping back from the discussion and throwing my hat into the reluctantly keep crowd.)
Curbon7 (
talk) 01:38, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete fails
WP:NLIST. As far as I'm aware we don't have lists of generals killed in any other conflict and so see no need to make an exception here. All 3 are already covered on
Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War and there is a lack of reliably sourced analysis of what a high number of generals being killed indicates. I share
Curbon7's concerns that far too many pages are being created about this war with scant regard for notability or sourcing.
WP:NOTNEWS applies here, we are a lagging indicator and should not be trying to cover every new aspect of this war as it happens.
Mztourist (
talk) 08:21, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
The lack of such lists for other conflicts can be explained by the fact that generals are not normally killed in conflicts. The fact that three Russian generals have already been killed makes this even more notable.
Strebo7 (
talk) 15:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep The list satisfies
WP:NLIST. This policy states: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". Many reliable sources identify the deaths of generals as a notable feature of this war.[1][2][3][4][5][6]. Another source, the BBC, that gives notability to the article by discussing the dead Russian generals as a group: Analysts believe that around 20 generals are leading Russian operations in Ukraine, meaning that if all the reported deaths are confirmed, one fifth of Russia's generals have been killed in action.. [7] I'm editing to continue to add sources which discuss dead Russian generals as a group or set as per
WP:NLIST. These sources and the ones above are not sources for individual dead Russian generals but sources about the group or set.[8][9]“Three generals already — that’s a shocking number,” Michael McFaul, the former United States ambassador to Russia, said in an interview. On Wednesday, Ukrainian officials reported that a fourth general, Maj. Gen. Oleg Mityaev, the commander of the 150th motorized rifle division, had been killed in fighting.[10]. In addition, the category "Lists of generals" offers prima facie evidence of the feasibility of the article. Contrary to the assertion above, there is another list article of generals killed.[11]. That "too many" articles are being made is not a valid argument for deletion. On CNN
David Petraeus's comments add additional legitimacy to this article as per
WP:NLIST, stating is "Very very uncommon" for so many generals to be killed and that the Ukrainians "have been picking them off left and right."[12]. I disagree with suggestions that this article be merged with the casualties articles. Reliable sources specifically identify dead Russian generals in Ukraine as a notable group and therefore this merits a standalone article as per
WP:NLiST. There is the report today that the Ukrainians killed a flag officer. If this is confirmed then the title could be changed to 'List of Russian generals and flag officers killed...'.
AugusteBlanqui (
talk) 09:13, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
"Newsweek has not been able to independently verify the claims."
Mztourist (
talk) 10:50, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
The Newsweek article contributes to the notability of the list. As I quoted from the policy, if reliable sources discuss a group or set then a List article of that group or set is appropriate; the deaths are verified in other sources (but some of the above too, e.g. WSJ).
AugusteBlanqui (
talk) 16:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete as unverified crap and
WP:NOTNEWS. The second death is inferred from intercepted phone conversations, the third a tweet from the Ukrainian military.Clarityfiend (
talk) 11:05, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete as too soon. At this stage, there will inevitably be much doubt about casualties. There will be claims and denials, and no easy way to verify anything. It is impossible to judge the value of lists like this, or ensure they are accurate, until we have the perspective of some historical distance.
Elemimele (
talk) 11:17, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete With all due respect, this is barely even a list, with only 3 people. It looks like
WP:TOOSOON.
ArsenalGhanaPartey (
talk) 12:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep - 3 generals kicking the bucket during two weeks of war, is notable for a modern war (and feel free to show us that there are other modern wars with comparable numbers for one of the sides). The title is okay and notable. The list is notable and short - but not too short.
89.8.146.21 (
talk) 13:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep - I am not aware of any other conflict where three or more "flag officers" of such rank from a world or regional power were killed in combat. This is quite remarkable and provides a high level of notability.
Strebo7 (
talk) 17:16, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
The American Civil War, the various Napoleonic wars, and more recently the Vietnam War had general officers killed in combat or as a result of hostile fire. Claiming this conflict is somehow unique when it is not isn't a basis for keeping the list.
Intothatdarkness 14:13, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
In modern war this is much less common
[1]Cloudjpk (
talk) 23:12, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
In Vietnam,
at least 4 of the 7 U.S. major generals who died 1967-1970, died in helicopters or other aircraft.--It seems like the Russians are loosing major generals at approximately seventy-five times the rate that the U.S. was loosing theirs.
89.8.146.21 (
talk) 03:21, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
WP:OR, irrelevant to the article’s notability.
Dronebogus (
talk) 04:28, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Changing to keep now the article has been expanded and has more than 2 names on the list too. LugnutsFire Walk with Me 20:54, 18 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep. The continued death toll amongst Russian generals is making it a unique event.
Bommbass (
talk) 21:25, 18 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment: I'd also like to add that it is doubtful any of these generals are actually notable, as the only
WP:SIGCOV they have received is about their deaths (
WP:BIO1E), and there seems to be little other notability.
Curbon7 (
talk) 18:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Unless and until the three biographical articles are deleted, we can assume they are notable. —MichaelZ. 00:17, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete we are now officially seeing “Ukraine invasion cruft”, and this is an example. Three entries is not a list. If the fact that they are all generals is notable (which it probably is) then just add that somewhere else. It’s one sentence worth of information. Most of the keep arguments seem rather
WP:OR,
WP:SYNTH, and
WP:ITSINTERESTING and one of the “sources” provided is a circular cite to WP based on
WP:OTHERSTUFFDronebogus (
talk) 23:21, 14 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete There should simply be a page listing causalities of military commanders of both the Ukrainian and Russian, this page is tiny and irrelevant. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
177.127.98.166 (
talk) 00:23, 15 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War. This is really just
too soon. So far, only three Russian generals have been killed (only one of which has actually been confirmed) and there are just not enough people to justify a stand-alone list. If Russian generals continue to be killed, then a list article may be appropriate but until then I think the Casualties page is the best place for the contents of this article.
Spirit of Eagle (
talk) 03:30, 15 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep Since my initial vote, the article has been greatly cleaned up and its plain that there has been substantial media coverage on the deaths of Russian generals during the 2022 Invasion of Ukraine. I believe that special attention still needs to be paid to verifiability, but I think this meets NLIST. Also, I think
WP:RAPID can be reasonably applied to this list.
Spirit of Eagle (
talk) 00:03, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete far too short for a standalone list and already covered in
Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War. At least one of the entries is referenced to a claim by Ukrainian intelligence and may not be accurate. Hut 8.5 08:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete It fails
WP:NOTNEWS and
WP:NLIST. I mean who puts this shit on Wikipedia? I mean five generals, that is scant information for a list.
Felicia(talk) 17:31, 15 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep. Changing my vote. Russian generals are being killed on a weekly basis and the war has no end in sight. --
KoberTalk 17:27, 25 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment Even if the article is kept, the source you provide cant be used totally since is ONCE AGAIN claiming the death of Magomed Tushaev (a proven claim/fake), citing The Daily Mail, a deprecetad source, the first ever "unreliable source" for use as a reference on the English Wikipedia.[13].
Mr.User200 (
talk) 13:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete too soon, wait until more generals are killed
Taiwanesetoast888 (
talk) 22:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment"The best way to contribute is if people continue to add names to the list" I can think of
one way to add names…
Dronebogus (
talk) 23:16, 15 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep and expand to include all senior officer ranks from unit commander and up. It is a perfectly valid topic for a list, but the definition is unnecessarily restrictive. —MichaelZ. 00:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
That would just add even more non-notable people to the list. The only real way to make a list like this is to not make it at all by just making the category if there are enough entries to surpass
WP:SMALLCAT.
Curbon7 (
talk) 00:20, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
As WP:NLIST explains, "The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable." It appears that most Delete voters and indeed the nominator have a poor understanding of
WP:NLIST. As regards
WP:Smallcat, neither
list of generals nor
Russian generals are small categories.
AugusteBlanqui (
talk) 10:07, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
In short, a list can contain subjects without their own article. —MichaelZ. 15:43, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
It seems to narrow of a topic. A list of notable people who were killed is probably a meaningful topic. A list specifically of Russian generals seems too narrow. --
B (
talk) 11:55, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete Too soon at the very least. Wikipedia seems to be getting ahead of itself.
Intothatdarkness 14:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep. We are now up to four generals killed. Clearly a notable topic. At a minimum this discussion could wait until the end of hostilities.
331dot (
talk) 14:57, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
This is becoming increasingly notable due to media coverage, so I'd now suggest keeping the article.
Tol (
talk |
contribs) @ 16:36, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep agree with Strebo7, satisfies
WP:NLIST because unusual, notable
Cloudjpk (
talk) 22:19, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep. There are no problems with such list whatsoever. The criteria for inclusion are obvious, and it has 5 items already.
My very best wishes (
talk) 01:14, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete . Too soon, too short. Redirect to the Casualties list, as others have suggested.
Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (
talk) 02:37, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Merge or Redirect. Contains useful information not easily seen elsewhere. Should be Keep if expanded.
KingAntenor (
talk) 07:35, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
With a sixth Russian general on the list - would that be an acceptable expansion, in your view?
89.8.146.21 (
talk) 09:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
89.8.146.21 (
talk) 10:10, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep for Now. Topic is of current interest and significant to the on-going war, as well as to future combat. Once war is over, then merge into a larger article about the war, along with the Casualties article mentioned by Brandmeister. Please note that there are unique aspects to the deaths of generals that make them much more important than just causalities.
70.121.218.235 (
talk) 09:56, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment - Any user-account can copy this article and call it "
List of generals killed during the 2022 invasion of Ukraine". Technically that might not be a merge - that would be the start of a "new" article with a broader scope. That would include generals that are citizens of any country.
89.8.146.21 (
talk) 10:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep There is plenty of media attention to the number of Russian major generals who have been killed in the invasion. The number increased by 33% since the AfD was posted. There is a significant problem of
geographical bias in Wikipedia, but this is supposed to be an encyclopedia about the world written in English, not an encyclopedia about the English-speaking world. We have
List of active duty United States Marine Corps major generals and
List of active duty United States Air Force major generals. It seems that US major generals haven't died as much in the last few decades as Russian ones have in the last few weeks, so in the Russian case, it seems that the dead ones are more notable than the live ones. An alternative would be to broaden the scope to List of Russian major generals, including both live and dead ones. Apparently there are 20 Russian major generals in Ukraine right now (or 16 after subtracting the four deceased): why should they be
less notable than US ones?
Boud (
talk) 10:24, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Boud: A
Russian major general is not equivalent to USMC or USAF major generals; the Russian ones are one star and the US ones are two-star ranks. See how the
Wall Street Journal covered the last major general's death, by not even calling him a major general presumably as it causes some confusion. Four Russian brigadier generals have died in three weeks on the battlefield in Ukraine, Kyiv officials said, showing faults in Moscow’s ability to lead troops into battle.[2]Solipsism 101 (
talk) 13:28, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep. I have improved the article and I think it now comfortably meets the
WP:HEYMANN standard.
Neutralitytalk 14:25, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks for your work improving the article!
AugusteBlanqui (
talk) 09:23, 18 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep: article has been significantly expanded. The list is useful in organising the unusually high number of general kills in one place and the unusual story behind why it is happening.
Solipsism 101 (
talk) 15:17, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
The new sources really strengthen the notability of the 'group or set' as per WP:NLIST. Thanks.
AugusteBlanqui (
talk) 09:25, 18 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep. Notable subject, has enough media attention, and has been improved upon recently.
Hey man im josh (
talk) 15:29, 17 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete Unverified and biased.
BobNesh (
talk) 03:20, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep The sheer number of such high-ranking officers killed in such a short period of time is, AFAIK, unprecedented in modern warfare, and has by itself become a notable topic. Numerous articles have been written by various news agencies around the world noting it as being extremely unusual. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
203.211.73.68 (
talk) 05:09, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep The war has been the top global news for more than 3 weeks, and the astonishing number of high ranked Russian generals killed is one of the most notable outcome of the ongoing war. Also, it is possible that the list will be further expanded in the future, becoming an even more notable page.
182.239.85.232 (
talk) 09:43, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep or merge. It's five people if not more by now. Anyway, this meets
WP:NLIST, there are numerous newsmedia making lists of notable Russian military casualties, a sort of trophy for the Ukrainians. Here's a Polish list from a RS newsoutlet:
[3]. That said, I'd not object to a merge and redirec to a section in
Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 11:00, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep - besides that it seems to be within guidelines, I think it's also good to have this info expanded in one article as here. One note regarding the editor that put this list up for deletion, not a language and tone that would be accepted in Wikipedia in Norwegian Bokmål, which I mainly contribute to. It should be possible to discuss keeping or deleting an article without resorting to language such as "What garbage", and this one: "I know this was created in good-faith by a productive editor, but jesus there have been so many shitty articles created about this war, and this is one of them." Kind regards,
Ulflarsen (
talk) 19:02, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep - ... and rename after the XXth entry.
☆☆☆—PietadèTalk 21:15, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
and, 2nd thoughts, anyway, in 50 or so yrs it becomes a compendium of lists of servicemen buried on some side of the sides (whatever this means, there was
the 1st German War, the
2nd German War, and, now, so, why not to call/name it the 1st Russian war?),... looking/listening live via BBC World News (+ ~50
FTA channels) interviewees on the subject of “
Nuremberg trial 2.0”
☆☆☆—PietadèTalk 21:40, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
and, for the sake of «neutrality»/„objectivity“, or whatever one likes to title/name it, there are at least two sides in every conflict, so, there should be at least one list for the UA side in this conflict too...
☆☆☆—PietadèTalk 00:50, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Pietadè, mate what are you talking about lol.
Curbon7 (
talk) 01:20, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep - list appears relevant and useful, especially in light of this topic becoming somewhat mainstream. Allows for sources to be corroborated without cluttering the main article. --BLKFTR (
tlk2meh) 08:40, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete Remember Saddam's weapons of mass destruction? Media love to parrot back official propaganda; we shouldn't turn into an article every unverified story that pops up in the news. These "deaths" haven't been confirmed by Russian military sources, it won't be too late to create the article when and if it happens.
Yurizuki (
talk) 15:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
The Russians will never officially verify them. If they have got evidence that the news are fake they will immediately deny it. It is very likely that those 5 generals are really killed, as Russians did not deny the death of them, which probably means that the Russians know well they are killed just they don't want to further discourage the soldiers from invading.
182.239.90.135 (
talk) 16:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
This is pure
WP:CRYSTAL, your own speculation about what will or will not happen. Crystalballing has no place in Wiki. Also, Russian military has acknowledged the death of many leading officers (and honored them), the most recent being Navy commander Andrey Paliy. And your "never" is nonsense: of course everything will be known, verified or debunked, as the conflict ends. Thus
WP:NOTNEWS,
WP:SYNTH,
WP:TOOSOON.
Yurizuki (
talk) 04:49, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep - per nominator: " I'm more or less fine with the article at this point".
Tiny Particle (
talk) 18:24, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep This page helps to keep things in order.
131.228.2.21 (
talk) 21:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep, let this ongoing topic develop before assessing a delete vote.
Yug(talk) 🐲 10:23, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep I also changed my mind just like the nominator User:Curbon7.
Tradediatalk 12:14, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep The list of generals killed in this combat are well noted by several verified sources. In many cases these generals or admiral deaths have been confirmed by both sides, though exact dates and locations may not be as precise. Given other list pages like
List of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the Iraq War follow a similar vein and I believe this page should remain. Words in the Wind(
talk) 21:06, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Given the fact that this article relates to a developing event or series of events, additional time may be useful to evaluate whether these developments impact determinations of those who have previously participated in this discussion.
BD2412T 22:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
BD2412T 22:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)reply
I think that if their is strong and proven evidence that a senior russian general has been killed will of course i think that it should be reported if it is of course confirmed by the strongest type of standards that the americian and other respectible news sources use but at the same time i think that it needs to be made clear to all parties involved in the tragic violence that is currently going in that sector of the world that before anything will put in print it will be proven to be proven true in fact and frankly i think it should be told to any source that after a fair and clear look into the information that they have given to the press it is shown that the information proves to be a lie from either russia or ukraine it doesn't matter which side it comes from that person or source that gave out information that they will lose their right to post or talk about anything of value about the war between the two sides in this matter and honestly if the ukraines can prove with solid evidence that they took out a russian general then of course it is yet another sad thing that happens when war takes place between two opposing sides and frankly if russia wants to stop having generals killed in it's attack on ukraine then it should demand that the system in russia end this war in an orderly fashion and begin good peace talks that hopefully will bring about a clear end to the sad violence between the two parties that are taking part in this sad affair that yes at the end of the day lies at the feet of the russian military and russia because it threw the first punch and in closing i say to russia it's simple if you want to stop having your generals taken out in this war then get your tails back to russia and out of ukraine thank you greg hiley irvine california those our my thoughts on this matter thank you.
2600:6C52:6F00:1048:969:D94:5793:4C7D (
talk) 12:34, 23 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep - it demonstrates military capabilities and weaknesses. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
64.229.68.20 (
talk) 04:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep - Page has been improved since nomination, and now as the situation has progressed, there has been more media coverage discussing the issue of Russian general deaths, rather than just one-off death reports for individual generals. Thus, there is ample evidence that this has now become a topic of its own, at least within the coverage of the war. --
benlisquareT•
C•
E 00:30, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep and move per
WP:HEY. Fairly and squarely meets
WP:NLIST, and has constantly been improved, which ought to give confidence of further improvement continuing. Move to cover commanders of equivalent rank a bit lower than general.
Hyperbolick (
talk) 09:56, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete A combination of listcruft,
WP:NOTNEWS and
WP:OR in light of people's obsession with this war. Notice how there are no similar lists for much bigger conflicts?--
Catlemur (
talk) 11:47, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment to briefly reply to your last point. The main reason why there are so few similar lists is generals tend not to be killed in such a significant number and certainly not in such a time frame (there is
this list article and it looks like less than half died from hostile fire!); the number of Russian generals killed in such a short span is truly unprecedented--"shocking" according to a source quoted above. This is why we see the group/set as per
WP:NLIST being talked about in so many sources.
AugusteBlanqui (
talk) 12:35, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep Meets WP:NLIST, was nominated when it was weak, has since been improved, even the nominator changed their vote to keep, so I think they should have withdrawn it. People are saying it's TOO SOON, but it's not, as the list meets the criteria as it stands, so I disregard that argument. I think a lot of people voted delete before the article reached it's current quality
CT55555 (
talk) 13:12, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep: the rapid loss of Russian (and affiliated) leadership has been extremely notable compared to other conflicts, especially in the limited breadth of time. The conflict will be studied by historians and various media for a longtime to come from many perspectives, and the loss of so many flag officers will be first mentioned in the opening pages/minutes of most.--
LeyteWolfer (
talk) 13:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep: agreeing with the general sentiment that the absence of such list for other modern conflicts is indication that losing that many that fast is notable
JidGom (
talk) 13:17, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
I change my vote to Keep. Stuff has changed since I voted for delete. Now that notabilty is established, it now passes the notabilty guidelines.
Felicia(talk) 14:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep: Clearly notable. The topic is now being widely covered in the media, and by its nature will remain notable when the war recedes into history. See
User:AugusteBlanqui's comment in particular.
Gildir (
talk) 07:48, 23 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep: The topic is discussed in the (Western) media a lot these days, precisely because the high death toll of senior commanders is unusual. I'd be in favor of also expanding the lede to explain this in more detail, and also expanding/renaming the scope to all high-ranking commanders vs just generals.
Timbouctou (
talk) 09:23, 23 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep The topic itself has been covered substantially and in detail by many reliable sources from different countries
See example from El Pais in Spain. It clearly meets
WP:GNG. Since the topic is covered directly the
WP:OR concerns are invalid and I disagree that it violates
WP:NOTNEWS. The amount of coverage and the historic relevance of the invasion make very likely the lasting notability of the event, as it has been deemed relevant in the development of the conflict by multiple reliable sources worldwide. --
Crystallizedcarbon (
talk) 17:29, 23 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep per the revised comment of the nominator. In its current state, it's encyclopaedic enough and has sufficient RS.
Nederlandse Leeuw (
talk) 13:46, 25 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep: There is a considerable coverage by WP:RS and notability of Russian commanders having high mortality rate in Ukraine. --
Mindaur (
talk) 13:52, 25 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep: Considering that this is a very high rate of general officers killed in a conflict
Josey WalesParley 14:27, 25 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep: There's a lot of coverage on this by the media and academia, it's notable and I suspect the list will get larger as the war drags on.
LordLoko (
talk) 21:34, 25 March 2022 (UTC)reply
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