You unjustifiably warned me because of I added a link to the page Turkish Air Force.I added that link because the updated numbers of the numbers in Turkish Air Force were taken from this page ( http://warriorsoul.4t.com/airforce.html). That site keeps count of the exact flyable units.(I.E. when a F-16 crashes they change the current number). Warrior Soul(owner of that webpage) also warned this in the discussion page with no real feedback.
If I am wrong and those current aircraft numbers of TAF aircraft are taken from another site listed in the external links section please show me which one. Wikipedia shouldn't do plagirism. N.T. 13.44 7.11.2006
1.If the site mentioned above is an unreliable site then the info taken from there and shown no citation should be removed as there is no source for them. At least citation required should be added to the page
2. There are other unofficial self-published fansites in the sources as http://www.turkishfighter.com/ or http://www.turkavi.net/
3.The link you sent me is a disputed issue
4.Even if it weren't, it says." However, it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception".How many completely reliable sources can you find on Turkish Air Force inventory? Does Turkish goverment or air force itself gave out the exact numbers.
5.The writer is also not anonymous.It joined wiki with warriorsoul nickname and asked for his link to be added in the talk page.
6.The Turkish Airforces page has a serious citation problem. For example 30 new F-16s were recently ordered. If the page were following guidelines it would give a source like this." http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2006/Turkey_06-71.pdf" Official U.S. goverment release.
There are numerical numbers on the topic taken from a the web site mentioned above. If the fansite is not reliable enough to be on the sources list then the numbers taken from it are not reliable enough to be on the webpage.You cannot just take the numbers and decide the website is not reliable to be a source.(Check Wikipedia:Citing sources "Say where you got it")If the information is not taken from the website mentioned above then please show me where were they taken from. 19.05 8.11.2006
I've asked this in the copyrights forum and I am told it is best to give reference to the website.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Copyright_problems#Can_wikipedia_use_information_but_find_the_source_unreliable.3F
Please, check the messages there and restore the references.
Hi, do you think the consensus on the requested move of Etymology of Istanbul to Names of Istanbul was clear enough for you to perform it now? I think it's time to go ahead with it but I'm too lazy to write it up on WP:RM... The target has an edit history, otherwise I'd do it boldly myself. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Why does does my addition to the John Hunyadi page keep getting deleted? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shield2 ( talk • contribs) 03:03, 24 October 2006.
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hi Khoikhoi thanks a lot for your advice. You people on Wiki are really helpful to us wet behind the ears newcomers! Spinach charm 10:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your support in my
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I have done and will continue to do the utmost to serve the community in this new capacity, wherever it may take me, and to set an example others might wish to follow in. With a little luck and a lot of advice, this may be enough. Maybe someday the enwiki admins of the future will look back and say, "Yeah, that guy was an admin." Hopefully then they don't start talking about the explosive ArbComm case I got tied into and oh what a drama that was, but we'll see, won't we? Surely some of you have seen me in action by now; with that in mind, I openly invite and welcome any feedback here or here -- help me become the best editor and sysop I can be.
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Hi. I saw this. I have already withdrawn the AfD (right above your comment), and filed for a merge in the article talk. Since you're an admin, maybe you could close the AfD and remove the template from the article. Then, you can express your opinion about that merge in the mother article Talk:Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922)#Proposed merge. Thanks. PS. Aside from the debate, do you like the way I styled that poll? Makes it evident which option prevails, and easy to follow up with the comments below, without special formatting techniques (e.g. '#::') needed to maintain automubering while commenting! •NikoSilver• 08:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
There are edit wars at Arabs of Khuzestan, Khaz'al Khan, and History of the name Azerbaijan. Anything you can do to help is good. Thanks! The Kurdish people article is also still a mess. Khorshid 17:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Also the anon on Arabs of Khuzestan and Khaz'al Khan is User:Ahwaz who has been banned several times. Khorshid 17:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey their bro, can you please keep an eye on Assyrian music? This user 'alonzo' keeps trying to promote artists by adding all these links. Please stop him from editing that page. Chaldean 23:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
For the sake of limiting the vandalism, can you semi-protect?-- MarshallBagramyan 23:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Please have a look. Some anonomous user's are tyring to use Bani Torof as a source, and he is very very unreliable. He is neither a historian nor an acadamian, he is an Iranian Arab writer and journalist. Bani Torof also claims that Arabs lived in Iran before the Aryans came, and that basically the Elamites were Arab. If this isnt historical revisionism and propaganda, then I dont know what is. Khosrow II 03:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Please accept my thanks for your support in my successful RfA, which I was gratified to learn passed without opposition on October 25, 2006. I am looking forward to serving as an administrator and hope that I prove worthy of your trust. With my best wishes, -- MCB 06:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC) |
Thank you for your appreciation of my humble contribution to the project. Don Alessandro 15:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Please check the log of new user names and this edit (as well as the previous ones on this page). -- Ghirla -трёп- 15:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, Do you know when we'll get an answer to our check-user request on Snle? It's been a while since we submitted it and it would be good to have this done before the weekend. Judging by his past behavior, he usually starts making a fuss on Saturday mornings...-- Niohe 15:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
So far use azakhs did only useful things. He even deleted correctly the map from Han Chinese: it was self-drawn poor quality and erroneous (or, say, non-verifiasble, since it differed from claimed source in some nontrivial detail). Azakhs added a CIA detailed map in some other place, so "assuming good faith" I guess here he wanted to replace bad by good one, but forgot. I replaced myself. `' mikkanarxi 18:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Khoikhoi,
I have placed an Npa3 tag at the user page [4], because, in addition to reverting and refusing to give any explanation, he threatens. It is very hard to contribute in a hostile environment.
I would like to add that I did and still have some disagrements with the user Irpen, who has also been reverting my edits. But with Irpen, I was able to work compromizes on about 50% of issues. Also Irpen has never used threats. So, although I disagree with some of Irpen's edits, and think they are biased, it is apparently possible to keep an "academic" dispute with him.
Cheers: Dc76 17:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Salut! Vei avea probleme cu Mikkalai din moment ce el crede ca tu esti User:Bonaparte, take care he will try to hount you and block you since he has a hatred towards romanians, that's why he was blocked for his anti-romanian attitudes..cheers :)
I will translate the parts in Romanian:
Hi! You will have problems with Mikkalai since he believes that you are User:Bonaparte...
I would like to state clearly that I am not user Bonaparte, and that I have never had an account on wikipedia before september 2006. I have editted other pages before, as I have told you, and they were signed by the system automatically with the 4 numbers. I needed an account when I wanted to upload a picture. I never engaged in any edit war.: Dc76 19:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Isn't that a bit like an ad hominem vendetta? Why do we have articles for Koreans in China and Italian Americans but not Kazakhs in China? Your fervor (and the constant lack of edit summaries or use of "discussion") just doesn't ring true to me. Badagnani 05:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
For example, why would you change the Yi people wikilink on the CEG template to Yi, which is a dab page? That just doesn't make sense, unless you are letting your emotions get to you and editing too quickly, without thinking and careful consideration. Sorry to bring up these points, but I feel I have to, because now I have to go there and clean up when I shouldn't have to do that. Badagnani 05:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my RfA that I have passed with 73/2/1.-- Jusjih 10:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed the article now. I also made some minor fixes. Hectorian 11:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
... this. •NikoSilver• 12:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
An anon IP is vandalizing the al-Farabi page. Please have a look at it. Tājik 14:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I cannot find link to Persian king, Faridoun. May be it is spelled differently. Siddiqui 16:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi. The info on his birthplace was found in his autobiography (see the references section). The search problems you encoutered were due to two different facts:
We have still not established a clear policy on what language Transylvanian names ought to be given in. If you think that, given his DOB, the Hungarian name is more appropriate, I suggest either "masking" the Romanian link ("Romanian name|Hungarian name" - since the article for the former is likely to appear before a Hun. redirect) or providing the Romanian name in parantheses after the Hun. name, and linking the former (as we did elsewhere). Your call, and thanks for taking an interest. Dahn 19:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Inconclusive, sorry. Jayjg (talk) 20:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I just want to alert your attention to the fact that 108059 ( talk · contribs) is editing the contents of several articles related to the Qing dynasty, changing a number of names to non-standard forms. See for instance this diff from Qianlong. I've tried to communicate with him/her about this, but he/she doesn't respond and I'm getting a bit fed up. Please advice.-- Niohe 20:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Could you give an eye at what is happening at the RM vote at Talk:Jogaila? A new Russian-Polish war appears to have erupted, and, what's worse, blatant vote spamming, like that done by the Polish editor User:Truthseeker 85.5. Ciao, -- Aldux 22:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Sure! -- Clevelander 23:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Khoikhoi, three Bonnysocks you blocked for one week appeares to be open proxies:
You may consider to block them permanently or report to the project "Open Proxy" Alex Bakharev 00:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks man for unblocking me i'll be ok. Cheers, Arthur 28 October 2006
See [5] It is a strange user. Has not even existed for a week. But appears skilled in administrative procedures. Votes for adminships. Wants to mediate. Especially see the first two (just 2) days of the activity of this user [6]. New users are usually not so combative. - Pernambuco 06:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Khoikoi, i would suggest rename and rewrite. The massacres seem notable and verifiable from the sources he has provided, but attributing it to a genocide seems like original research. Thanks, -- A.Garnet 12:49, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Appeal by Bonaparte. I am letting you know in case you wish to comment on this. Jesse Viviano 06:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
False. I'm sure 100% that is you coi that tries to impersonates Bonaparte. I don't care about that account. We are free to edit Wikipedia...
ok Mr. highschool Putnam, how many new articles have you made? or how many languages do you speak? you're waisting your time..get a new hobby..
take Mr. Bon as model for you, and stop using socks to attack him. it is you that you use socks. I know it.
Khoi,
Have you seen the March Days article? Without anyone's consent, User:Baku87 added POV information from sources such as Justin McCarthy and the Azerbaijani media then he reverted the article's name to "March Massacre," a name not used by any credible historian but only by the media of Azerbaijan. The name "March Days," however, has been used by several historians to describe these events. Although I reverted all of his recent edits to the article, I am unable revert the name so perhaps you could do that for me (since only admins have the ability to fix a situation like this). Also be sure to remove the redirect "March Massacre" after you've fixed the article's title and place the article on your watch list.
Thanks in advance! Kindest regards, Clevelander 12:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Please take a look at the latest in Baklava/ Talk:Baklava. Thanks, -s -- Macrakis 17:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks very much for keeping an eye on my page. A friend alerted me to lots of sometimes odd activity on the page about me. The person using Amoaveni as his/her username is not me, and I consider the use of this username for editing this page misleading and problematic, especially given the vandalism that has been involved. I would appreciate it if this username could be blocked or returned to me. Thanks again for any help you might be able to offer. You can leave messages for me on Shabdiz's talk page. Shabdiz 18:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I agree with your point on the spelling (although I do not know if the same criteria can be applied in every instance of pre-1918 mentions). Tell me if like the current form. Dahn 20:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Khoikhoi,
I think it's the best thing to protect the page for a while. User:NisarKand is flooding the page with nonsense, POV (claiming that all dynasties in history that lived in what is now "Afghanistan" are to be considered "Afghans", including the Ghaznavids or Seljuqs), Pashtun nationalism, and vandalism. He has several times deleted authoritative sources (i.e. the Encyclopaedia Iranica or the reliable Oxford University translation of the Baburnama).
I have reverted his most recent 20+ POV edits and vandalism: [7]. Please protect the page in this version. Thx.
Tājik 22:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
That explains why the information was turning up in all the wrong places. Thanks! Mattisse (talk) 00:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
VoABot II
What did just happened on the article Transnistria? Is there a limit on the number of dayly edits for this article? I just thought to clear it a bit, so that William and Alex can concentrate their "war" on more "serious" stuff. :):):) They fight about names (which is ridiculous to me, because it is possible to state all used names, and end the issue) and don't see that their sentances are alternatively in the present and past, making it very funny article, and consequently unserious.: Dc76 00:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
...that malakia here? •NikoSilver• 01:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
OK I won't make another edit to that article but why don't you alert Khosrow II as well? Is it because he's/she's a registered user? :). -- 24.211.184.243 04:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
...semi-protect Portal:Armenia/Armenia-related Wikipedia notice board. Someone (most likely User:Caligvla) is sockpuppeting there.-- Tekleni 08:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Of course. You may also want to reset Nixer's block.-- Tekleni 08:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
--- Saluton, Bogdan's house (Bogdan estas persona nomo), hungare Bogdánháza, germane Bogenhaus aux Bogeschdorf (bogesxdorf), la domo de Bogdan Stârc is a kind of bird with long beak. 12, 30 Okt. 2006 (UTC) Vikipediisto:Zetey
Hi, khoi khoi. I would be very happy if we could have your input / moderation to the discussion about the new Turkey location map started on Talk:Turkey. Please accept my congratulations with your adminship by the way. Atilim Gunes Baydin 15:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Please don't restore the changes I did on Turkish. see: [ [8]] is Historical —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.104.55.241 ( talk • contribs) 16:20, 30 October 2006.
Check out this gem. Dahn 21:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Khoikhoi. I learned that you're adminship was approved. Congratulations, I had your e-mail, and appreciated too much. I already commented on the page about this but unfortunately lately. Cheers E104421 21:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I am being accused of vandalizing Afghanistan's article....because the accusers are all jealous of me hahahahahahahaha. User:Tajik accuses me of vandalizing Afghanistan's article but in fact he or she is the one vandalizing the article. It wrote under the NAME section on Afghanistan's article that Afghanistan's first constitution was in 1964 and wants the world to believe this lie. Here is 1923 constitution of Afghanistan --------> link You know what?...since now I am convinced Wikipedia is all false information written by people who enjoys spreading false information to the world....I give up on editing Afghanistan's article. Afghanistan is ruled by the majority Pashtuns and the whole world is fully aware of this...so it doesn't matter what you write in the Wikipedia on Afghanistan. Wikipedia has nothing but low life losers who don't have nothing else in life but write false information...hahahahahahahaha. Shame on you all for writing false information. User:Tajik lies like an old Persian rug...nobody even bothers looking at it. User:Tajik is a racist Shia...I can easily tell by his actions...and so can everyone else. It refuses to acknowledge that Sunni population is about 90% while Shia is less than 10%. I came to make the article more proffesional and more easy to understand for people with reliable sources....but I am being prevented...so I just give up...it's not even worth doing it. I am now beginning to feel really ashamed of being someone from Afghanistan...because of people like User:Tajik. So go ahead write all the BULL you can write about Afghanistan...I give up on it...besides...not many people take Wikipedia serious and there is nothing interesting to write about Afghanistan. The fact remains that we Pashtuns rule the country with the help of Pakistan, which is equipped with 100s of nuclear bombs and very supportive of Pashtuns...hahahahahahaha NisarKand 09:32, 31 October 2006
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Congrat for yor adminship.. Please see my message; here, and here. Regards Mustafa Akalp TC 09:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Why you insist on keeping that reference at Orhei article? That reference is about the Hungarians in Moldova and it is not about the Hungarian at Orhei. And also it is a reference with a lot of mistakes about the presence of Hungarians in Moldova. For exemple it is incorrect to say that the Hungarians were subject to Hungarian kings. The historical documents say that they were subject (after 1360, of course) to the Moldavian princes (check the historical sources collectioan Documenta Romaniae Historica, series A, Moldova if you do not believe me). That is why I think that reference is not ok, beeing a partisan article (it is a propaganda problem between Romanians and Hungarians). Sorry for my English. Mihail ioniu 10:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I think you can block Heathzhao for spamming, if there is any room for that. He/she has spammed before and has not been particularly communicative about it... Niohe 12:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Dear Khoikhoi! My amendments - at all POV, they are based on documents and the facts. POV - that was earlier because article it has been written by Azerbaijanians. Unless not POV - to write, what Susha is in " Nagorno-karabakh region of Azerbaijan "? It is the most obvious to any. Further - Armenians are presented as recent immigrants in Karabakh, and Azerbaijanians - as aboriginals though all is on the contrary, at least concerning Mountain Karabakh. Reflect, why the author of previous clause writes about nomads in Karabakh and nothing writes about farmers lived in the same place, ремесленникх, dealers? Because nomads were Azeri. The statement that in 1920 was not massacre, and "counterattack", will not be coordinated to any sources - compare that Russian write, at me is resulted. The statement, that Armenians, having attacked the first, have started to set fire to houses of Azerbaijanians - an impudent invention. I not the Armenian - can not trust me - but i am revolted with the bald lie and falsification. I apologize for bad English.
Sfrandzi 16:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
It seems that our friends is appealing his/her case now. Have a look at this:
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#An_unfair_case
I think I will respond...-- Niohe 19:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the licensing info at commons:Image:IonAntonescu.jpg is not very helpful. Someone has pasted the Romanian version of publicity rights, which doesn't have anything to do with copyright. We'd need to know who took the photograph and when that person died in order to say that the photo is in the public domain. According to List of countries' copyright length, the author needs to be dead for seventy years (the EU standard, but no references at the list). It looks like photographs of twentieth century Romanians are going to be a challenge to get properly licensed. Jkelly 19:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. Jkelly 16:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. I think the SNLE sock puppet case is unfair. I've reported this case to the Administor Board and Jimbo Wale. Please stop deleting constructive comments or edits. User68732 21:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Is it ok for me to edit those controversies? People may share some similar opinions. User68732 21:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I see a lot of editors are bloked for editing controversial articles. It seems to me everyone will be considered a sock puppet who edit these contraversial articles. User68732 21:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, if the reason for you to decide whether SNLE has sockpuppeted is on a shared IP address. That will be wrong, because many of the accused editors don't share any similarities at all. User68732 21:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Would you be able to show me some examples? If it's an anon it's most likely Bonaparte, which would therefore give me the right to block him. Khoi khoi 06:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
How come Bitola doesn't have the Greek and Turkish names of the city in the head? Is it some sort of exception? Miskin 12:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
So how about adding a name section in Thessaloniki, Crete, Chios, Rhodes... and the literally countless of Greek articles which mention Turkish names right in the head? Unless of course, Bitola is some kind of exception to the rule, now is it? Miskin 15:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
With such helpful attitude you'll make me regret supporting your adminship much sooner than expected. Miskin 18:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I am sitting here with fire coming out of my ears. PLEASE put User:Dbachmann in check. Chaldean 14:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't think I got it; when did you send it? Or could you just re-send? Jayjg (talk) 14:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Just a second opinion, since you have been involved in this longer than me- how do we handle the Arab-persian edit war going on recently? Protecting the pages doesn't seem to help, as nobody is talking, and I know that if I unprotect they'll just keep on revert warring. Borisblue 21:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
LOL Take a look at this: [9] Tājik 21:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting vandalism from my user page. This guy is way out of line... I wonder why he/she doesn't take a break and then work on his/her cred on Wikipedia by writing some good article or sth...-- Niohe 01:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I've added a note on the question of Overseas Chinese at Talk:Zhonghua_minzu#Overseas_Chinese. Would appreciate it if you could have a look and maybe comment.
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Hey, Khoikhoi. Since you were a recipient of Cretanpride's lovely little email back in September, I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new proposed policy under discussion at Wikipedia:Death threats. I've put in my two quadrantes, but I thought you'd like to know as well. See you around! — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 06:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi. There are two articles about Yüksekova ( Yüksekova and Gawar) may I redirect Gawar to Yüksekova or should I use the merging procedures?.-- Hattusili 08:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I am a member of the AMA (Association of Members' Advocates) currently acting on behalf of User:Caligvla, who has named you as one of the participants in the dispute over whether Armenia is in Europe or Asia. Caligvla has listed a number of reference sources classifying Armenia as an Asian country. He claims that the only sources quoted by your side of the dispute are 1.) an obsecure Canadian website that places Armenia in Europe, and a BBC article that mistakenly places Armenia in Europe. Can you please respond to this and give your side of the argument (preferably on my userpage)? Under the AMA principle of audi alteram partem, you have the right to be heard. (NB Copies of this message have been placed on the talkpage of all those who Caligvla has named as participants in the dispute.) Walton monarchist89 09:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
most of my edits were straightforward cleanup of offtopic material and unsourced fanciful claims. There may of course be disputes about them, but such dispute must be firmly grounded in WP:CITE and WP:RS. dab (ᛏ) 11:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Khoikhoi, sorry for the late reply - I've been quite busy the past few weeks. I dug up whatever I could about those Hungarians in Turkey and posted what I found out on Talk:Karapinar. Happy editing, K issL 11:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your support in
my RfA, which passed with a final tally of (56/0/2). It was great to see so much kind support from such competent editors and administrators as commented on my RfA.
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Dear Kars/Khoikhoi, Please check the article, especially mitological Bakhus(What is the correct spelling for that Anatolian plentiful/wine god). Roots of Zeybeks are not Thracian(there is no any evidence for that), Anatolian people.Especially,they comes from yörük and turkmen villages and some Greek villagers.They acted against unjustable applications of legal authorities.(Except some a few bandit group which they were themself-not other people-also zeybek).Very smilar history/action like as Robin Hood. Please check and correct my English also. Regards. Mustafa Akalp TC 17:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Regards Mustafa Akalp TC 20:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Regards.
New acts of vandalism in Chile. new violation 3RR. please to block, to AL ANDALUS. thanks Antarcticwik 18:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Chileeuropide is an invention of Al Andalus, it investigates better, Al Andalus is to professional Vandal.- Antarcticwik 21:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Can you protect the article Sparta from being vandalised on a daily basis? Miskin 02:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Khoikhoi. I know that those changes will be reverted back immediately. I did not expect them to stay. But I hope you are not serious when you say that Armenian genocide is accepted by the majority of historians (said differently, questioning the Armenian claims is the minority view). If you say media coverage, I can agree with you. But when you say historians especially the ones who specialize on this subject, I really doubt that Armenian claims have any wide-scale acceptance. To this opposite, if you restrict yourself to top 20 US university, you'll have a quite difficult time coming up with a list of historians that support armenian claims. On the other hand, one can list many that are supporting Turkish claims. By the way, when I say real historians, this of course excludes people like Balakian, Charny etc. who have no proper training in history and who are not respected by historians. 69.134.220.50 03:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Inconclusive. Sorry. Jayjg (talk) 03:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Khoikhoi. I think Ahvaz article should be revert to my last edit, you know there's something which I can't say because of racism, but all of them are true anyway; just trust me ... p.s.: give them 1 and then they want 2, give them 2 then they wanna 3 ... so never give them anything. Sasanjan 05:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
B?? In WP:M?? Zuh!! •NikoSilver• 09:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
...for you support of my recent RfA. If I can ever be of service with my fancy new buttons or just as an impartial, disinterested reviewer of an article, do not hesitate to ask. Cheers. youngamerican ( ahoy hoy) 16:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello, user E104421 keeps taking out sourced information regarding the origin of the Hephthalites. First they complained that the source was wrongly represented in that section, so I formed it to match the source directly, and now they still take it out... Please have a look. Also, look how they kept that same sourec and added their own information. This is definetly POV, please have a look ASAP. Khosrow II 17:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Interesting edit: [10] Jayjg (talk) 18:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
After explaining that I believed the edits of User:Caligvla to be of a racist nature, the administator User:Inshaneee has accused me of trolling, on my own user talk page. Can you please request that he restrain his aggressive behavior while trying to chastise me for my frustration at Caligvula's vandalism and racist remarks? -- Augustgrahl 18:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I can't believe what a joke it has become at the article Chile. And by the way, I'd like to "thank you" (laugh) for your unjustafiably blocking me (yes, unjustafied according to wikipedia policy) for 31 hours for my having to revert Antarcticwik's vandalism. I'm still waiting for an apology, or maybe you could redeem that action by this time actually helping out appropriately.
I want to clearly express to you, that the problems at Chile, and Latin America, and Andalusia, and Quechua, and Southern Cone, and all the other articles Antarcticwik or any of his IP's and/or sockppuppets have eddited, are not content disputes, as you have suggested. As for the Chile article, Antarcticwik hasn't engaged in discussion nor is his actions based on a dispute, he merely deletes all sources and text, mainly in the demographics and economics section. And he has reverted yet again. When will it stop!
I just want you to see the vandalism that his edits do to the page:
From:
" ...fell from 46% in 1987 to around 18.8% as procclaimed by the then president Ricardo Lagos in 2005 [11] Critics in Chile, however, argue true poverty numbers are considerably higher than officially published figures. [12] In 2006, according to statistics released by Chile's CAS Informática, around 58% of Chileans lived near or below poverty levels; 20.6% in extreme poverty. [13] Despite enjoying a comparatively high GDP compared to most other countries of Latin America, Chile also suffers from one of the most uneven distributions of wealth [14] in the world, ahead only of Brazil in the Latin American region and lagging behind even of most developing sub-Saharan African nations. Chile's top 10 richest percentile possesses 90 percent of the country's wealth. On the national level, 6.2% of the population belonged to "Grupo ABC1" upper economic bracket, 15% belonged to "Grupo C2" middle economic bracket, 21% to "Grupo C3" lower middle economic bracket, 38% to "Grupo D" lower economic braket, and 20% to "Grupo E" extreme poor economic bracket. [15]"
To:
"...fell from 46% in 1987 to around 18.8% as procclaimed by the then president Ricardo Lagos"
From:
Demographics
The Spanish conquest of Chile and the subsequent intermarriages between colonial Spanish immigrants and indigenous Amerindian tribes "began a process of racial and cultural mix which gave birth to the Chilean people." [16] The country's population is thus relatively homogeneous, with most being of mestizo [17] [18] — mixed Spanish and Amerindian — descent, although in various degrees of admixture. See Population background below.
About 85% of the country's population lives in urban areas, with 40% living in Greater Santiago. Chile's population growth is among the lowest in Latin America, at around 0.97%, it comes third only to Uruguay and Cuba.
Population background
The ethnic composition of Chileans is marked by a socio-genetic gradient where Amerindian admixture typically correlates to social levels. [19] [20] Amerindian contribution tends to be strongest in the lower echelons of society, with the middle majority presenting a more balanced degree of both European and Amerindian ancestry, while the upper echelons of society tend to register the lowest degree of Amerindian contribution. Almost the entirety of the population, however, presents a racially mixed origin, and only a small minority can truly be said to be unmixed European or unmixed Amerindian. The unmixed Amerindian population is in fact said to be now extinct.
Nevertheless, based solely on physical appearance, between 5 and 10% of the current population would be classified as Amerindian, some 30% would be classified as white, and the remaining majority, between 60 and 65%, would be the discernably mestizo population that has a certain tendancy towards a slightly greater input on the European side and averages a racial mixture not much lower than the average ratio for Chile's overall population. [21] According to the Program of Human Genetics of the University of Chile, the average ratio of racial mixture for Chile's overall population, calculated by the use of nuclear markers, is approximately 60% European contribution and 40% Amerindian, depending on the socioeconomic level. [22] [23] According to Rothhammer (1987/2004), that average ratio stands at 57% European contribution and 43% Amerindian. [24]
Indigenous communities
Recognised indigenous community membership (2002) Alacalufe 2.622 0,02% Mapuche 604.349 4,00% Atacameño 21.015 0,14% Quechua 6.175 0,04% Aymara 48.501 0,32% Rapanui 4.647 0,03% Colla 3.198 0,02% Yámana 1.685 0,01% According to the 1992 Chilean census, a total of 10.5% of the total population declared themselves indigenous, irrespective of whether they currently practiced or spoke a native culture and language; almost one million people (9.7% of the total) declared themselves Mapuche, 0.6% declared to be Aymara, and a 0.2% reported as Rapanui.
At the 2002 census, only indigenous people that still practiced or spoke a native culture and language were surveyed: 4.6% of the population (692,192 people) fit that description; of these, 87.3% declared themselves Mapuche. [25].
Immigration
Relative to its overall population, Chile never experienced any large scale wave of immigrants. [26] Compared to neighbouring Argentina or Uruguay, where European immigration doubled to tripled their existing populations, the total number of immigrants to Chile, both originating from other Latin American countries and all other (mostly European) countries, never surpassed 4% of its total population. [27] [28] This is not to say that immigrants were not important to the evolution of Chilean society and the Chilean nation. Small numbers of non-Spanish European immigrants arrived in Chile - mainly to the northern and southern extremities of the country - during the XIX and XX centuries, including English, Irish, Italians, French, and Balkans. [29] In 1848 a small but noteworthy German immigration took place, sponsored by the Chilean government with aims of colonising the southern region. With time, and although undertaken by no more than 7,000 people, that German immigration influenced the cultural composition of the southern provinces of Valdivia, Llanquihue and Osorno. The prevalence of non-Hispanic European surnames among the governing body of modern Chile are a testament to their disproportionate contribution to Chile. Also worth mentioning are the Korean and especially Palestinian communities, the latter being the largest colony of that people outside of the Arab world. The volume of immigrants from neighboring countries to Chile during those same periods was of a similar value. [30]
Currently, immigration from neighboring countries to Chile is greatest, and during the last decade immigration to Chile has doubled to 184,464 people in 2002, originating primarily from Argentina, Bolivia and Peru.
Emigration of Chileans has decreased during the last decade: It is estimated that 857,781 Chileans live abroad, 50.1% of those being in Argentina, 13.3% in the United States, 4.9% in Sweden, and around 2% in Australia, with the rest being scattered in smaller numbers across the globe."
To:
"Demographics
Chile is a relatively homogenous country and most of its population is of predominantly Spanish origin, with varying degrees of native Amerindian admixture, the product of the racial mixture between colonial Spanish immigrants and the native Amerindian tribes. About 85% of its population lives in urban areas, with 40% living in Greater Santiago. Chile's population growth is among the lowest in Latin America, at around 0.97%, it comes third only to Uruguay and Cuba.
Indigenous communities
Those belonging to recognised indigenous communities ( 2002) Alacalufe 2.622 0,02% Mapuche 604.349 4,00% Atacameño 21.015 0,14% Quechua 6.175 0,04% Aymara 48.501 0,32% Rapanui 4.647 0,03% Colla 3.198 0,02% Yámana 1.685 0,01% According to the 1992 Chilean census, a total of 10.5% of the total population declared themselves indigenous, irrespective of whether they currently practiced or spoke a native culture and language; almost one million people (9.7% of the total) declared themselves Mapuche, 0.6% declared to be Aymara, and a 0.2% reported as Rapanui. [31]
At the 2002 census, only indigenous people that still practiced or spoke a native culture and language were surveyed: 4.6% of the population (692,192 people) fit that description; of these, 87.3% declared themselves Mapuche. [32]
Immigration
Non-Spanish European immigrants arrived in Chile - mainly to the northern and southern extremities of the country - during the XIX and XX centuries, including English, Irish, Italians, French, and the Balkans. Smaller waves of Danes, Dutch, Portugese, Romanians, and Greeks arrived as well. In 1848 a small but noteworthy German immigration took place, sponsored by the Chilean government with aims of colonising the southern region. The German/Swiss immigration influenced the cultural composition of the southern provinces of Valdivia, Llanquihue and Osorno. The prevalence of German, French, Italian, English and Yugoslavian surnames among the governing body of modern Chile are a testament to their contribution to Chile. Also worth mentioning are the Korean, Japanese, and especially Palestinian communities, the latter being the largest colony of that people outside of the Arab world. The volume of immigrants from neighboring countries to Chile during those same periods was of a similar value. Chilean ranchers and farmers settled vast expenses of Mexico in the early 1800's, while thousands of miners from Chile and Peru emigrated to California in the 1850's during the gold rush. citation needed Currently, immigration from neighboring countries to Chile is greatest, and during the last decade immigration to Chile has doubled to 184,464 people in 2002, originating primarily from Argentina, Bolivia and Peru.
Emigration of Chileans has decreased during the last decade: It is estimated that 857,781 Chileans live abroad, 50.1% of those being in Argentina, 13.3% in the United States, 4.9% in Sweden, and around 2% in Australia, with the rest being scattered in smaller numbers accross the globe."
Note that every single source and reference, all from Chilean sources, including the Chilean Census, Chilean Embassy, University of Chile, other Chilean university's website, Chilean science genetic magazine, Migration Statistics website, etc. etc. etc. have been deleted with text and all, including a whole subsectio, and whatever text he has kept, he changes the figures to his own unsourced ones. The format of the sections he vandalises are also un-wikified in the process, with all hyperlinks removed. And then he has the audacity to come to you and tell you to block ME again! I'm surprised that you didn't, seeing that you had already misued that admin privalege overme once before in spite of what was obviously going on at Chile and who the vandal was.
CieloEstrellado has countless times resotred the info box whose figures keep being affected by the reverts, including the deletion of the national motto. The entire layout of the article, positioning of pictures (one ontop of another, poking into sections and text, and horrendous paragraphing and punctuation horrors throughout, put simply, the overall structure of the article is destroyed by him. Just compare them; Antarcticwik and normal edit
I see that you have only now have had to deal with him/her, and apparently a sockpupet of his/hers, which he hilariously insinuated was mine. Please! By the way, have you noticed they both, not just one of them, edited each others pages? ( by Antarcticwiki at Chileuropride's, by Chileuropride at Antarcticwik's)
As I have said before, and will say again, this is blatant vandalism, and NOT a content dispute or edit war. Other users have tried to keep up with his constant reverts to his mutilated unwikified edition. He has refused to engage in dialog, and I have indeed posted to his user page but only to recieve no reply. As you are probably aware, the only pearls ( in Spanish in Spanish) I have recieved from him were three personal attacks full of racism to every human ethnic/racial group immaginable other than Europeans, even Spaniards were attacked as filthy african, arab, semites (ie, Jews). He even said whatever "minor" ( according to him) Amerindian admixture in Chileans is "compensated" (a word he used) with "real European" German blood (as he himself put it), or so he has made himself believe. Please, lets not even get into the proportion of non-Spanish immigrants that ever made it to Chile (never surpassing 4% of its population, only half of which were Europeans with the other half being other Latin Americans, and which all sources back up including every single Chilean source, and which btw is also text and sources that he deletes) or how "minor" the average Amerindian admixture in Chileans actually is (ie. between 40 and 43%) that is supposedly "compensated" with German blood. He has even tried to encourage others to join in his "MANO DURA" ("Heavy Hand") approach, as he so called it ( in Spanish). Will you now do something to resolve the problem with him and the situation he has created? I think more than enough has been perpetrated to justify all his IP's and main account to be permanently blocked.
Also, if you are trully intent on helping to stop vandalism and protect verifiable content, then you may want to check out Hispanic too. There's an IP there that is determined to take out sources and content that attest to the make up of Argnetina's colonial population. Al-Andalus 23:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
I saw your name in the list of active users in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Central_Asia. Could you please take a look at these pages and the corresponding talk pages? Jahangard 03:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Khoi, could you move Civil War of Tajikistan to Civil War in Tajikistan? I think the word "in" works better than "of." Thanks. -- Clevelander 04:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Khoi. I have a content dispute in the article Renewal (Transnistria) with Mr. Mauco. I don't agree with his position that this is an oposition party, as this is the main party (has the majority in parliament) and didn't put a candidature against president Smirnov. Can you please block this article until the dispute is solved? Thanks.-- MariusM 12:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Dear Khoikhoi, Please check the stuation. I confuse a little bit. A new user, was declared himself as admin and member of ArbCom. see and was making vandalism by putting a block tag to another user talk page. see . I posted him here Later an admin only cleared the user page, nothing else. I'm in confuse about wiki rules. Is it enough.No need any other steps. Since you know more about the rules,Please clarify/explain me. Regards. Mustafa Akalp TC 15:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
This is the second event; Now,again he put a Block tag at a user talk page. I reported him at here Mustafa Akalp TC 12:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello. Can you please watch this article? I added up the total number of all the Turkic peoples listed in order to come up with the 120-150 million number (which actually matches what the article has been saying for months), yet an anon user claims I "fabricated" the numbers and reinserted the exagerated POV number. Please keep an eye on that article, thanks. Khosrow II 16:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Regarding this [35], you should have read the talk page. The user user:Inahet went to the library and borrowed the book: E. J. Holmyard (ed.), The Arabic Works of Jabir ibn Hayyan. He also took the time to type it down on his user page for others to read (thank you Inahet!) [36]. Instead of being greatfull for the effort of this user, you automatically jump to the conclusion that he is a liar and that he forged the citations!! or as you put it diplomatically "This article or section may contain inappropriate or misinterpreted citations"... Cheers Jidan 17:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
From Holmyard:
"One of the tribes whose members were present at Kufa in sufficient numbers to be assigned a definite quarter was that known as Al-Azd, a celebrated tribe of South Arabia. From this tribe there sprang, towards the end of the seventh century A.D., a man named Hayyan, who carried on the business of a druggist"
The Al-Azd tribe home is yemen. The author used the term south arabia, a term used very often for ancient yemen. For example, Himyar is a south arabian kingdom, although they it was centered in todays yemen.
Whilst in Arabia, he studied the Koran, mathematics and other subjects under a scholar named Harbi al-Himyari, of whom unfortunately we have no record
Harbi al-Himyari comes from the
Himyar tribe as can be read from his name, which lived also in yemen.
Cheers.
Jidan 06:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, after all again the same issue. There is a consensus on the Talk:Altaic_languages that the Altaic is a proper name to label these languages. I changed the "disputed" as "see also Altaic controversy" because it was not clear what was disputed with the previous "disputed" notice. Furthermore, the Altaic Languages page contains enough information and sources about the issue (will be improved considerable in the near future). Regards. E104421 12:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
This user is requesting unblocking; their original 1-week 3RR block would have expired, what remains is the extension for evasion that you gave for the contributions of 203.187.235.106 ( talk · contribs). I think you made a mistake here: I'm not sure why 203.187.235.106 added Nixer's name to the WikiProject on Armenians, but [38] this edit (203.187's first) was a revert clearly perpetuated by User:Caligvla; Caligvla had reverted 3 times already in 24 hours. Up to you, though. Mango juice talk 12:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Can you please unprotect this article. This article has been scene of Indian writers rewriting the history of Pakistan and has been protected by an Indian admin with Indian version. Can you please also check why I cannot edit Babur page. Siddiqui 16:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello! Thank you for your warm welcome; also thanks for your 'interventions' at Aegean Sea and the article I just created (I realise it isn't much). I hope to stick around and to contribute much more in the near future ... particularly regarding (but not limited to) geography. Let me know if and how I can be of assistance. Thanks again! Psychlopaedist 18:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Can u provide any reliable sources for your rv? I mean, the Amnesty article was nice, but it did not say anything about the correct spelling. In addition, Amnesty article is not a source. For example I am a member of the Rotary club and I can just write anything I want and that does not mean that Wikipedia should follow my opinion. Sosomk 20:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I wonder where is the personal attack? Please see talk/discussion page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hephthalite-- Karcha 22:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I INSIST I AM NOT CHILEUROPIDE, PLEASE DO NOT OFFEND TO ME. CHILEEUROPIDE IS A INVENTION OF AL ANDALUS, TO ATTACK ME AND HARM ME. Antarcticwik 00:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC) YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE SPECULATIVE 1 ANDALUS WAS BLOCKED BY 31 HOURS 2.COINCIDE the AIM OF the BLOCKADE WITH the CHILEEUROPIDE BIRTH. 3. AL ANDALUS PRETENDS THEIR ENGLISH BADLY. 4. IN DEMOGRAPHY OF CHILE CHILEUROPIDE IT DENIES THE INDIGENOUS EXISTENCE OF CHILE I NO. I INSIST I AM NOT CHILEUROPIDE, PLEASE DO NOT OFFEND TO ME. CHILEEUROPIDE IS A INVENTION OF AL ANDALUS, TO ATTACK ME AND HARM Antarcticwik 00:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
It still sometimes reverts users with 25+ edits which (among other things) it should never do. It seems to do that sporatically, but I still cant figure out why. Voice-of-All 02:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I understand that you reverted Bonaparte, and it was good that you did so. However, Mikkalai is POV-pushing in this case, and I would like you to look into the matter: I have done a lot of work creating, expanding, managing, and styling that article to reflect the most neutral version one could come up with. It was not contested by anyone, and the relations between Moldova and Moldavia are made as clear as possible, without imposing a Romanian POV.
Primordially, the word "Moldavia" is used in reference to the present-day Romanian region - other regions are "Moldavian" only by way of being Bessarabian and Bukovinan - both of which [sub]regions have separate articles which [should] clarify the matter in specific areas; moreover, the references to them as "Moldavian" point to their political status as parts of the former principality (before the 1500s; before 1771; before 1812), and it is hard to discern whether there is real agreement over their belonging to the geographical entity. Such relations are, however, made clear in the second line of the text... (just how much does one have to cram in the first sentence?).
I think Mikkalai is doing this because he misinterpreted a comment I made a while back, when I told him that, no matter what POV to take on the matter, it would still have to be a paradox that the Moldavian/Moldovan identity was preserved not in Moldavia, but in a part of Bessarabia. Interestingly, his edits unwittingly reflect the POV of Romanian nationalism ("Bessarabia=Moldavia"), because he came to advocate them by way of wishful thinking and its consequences. Please tell me you note the uncomfortable position I'm stranded in: I have to quarell with some Romanian users over the "Romanian-speaking states" category, and, at the very same time, I have to answer to Mikkalai when he accuses me of being a nationalist and of supporting the incorporation of Bessarabia (I have already told him, several times, that I do not) when I am writing down the first accurate and neutral version of a long-neglected topic... Dahn 21:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I guess the reasons are many, but none other than the usual ones heard: it's not much fun any longer; yadda yadda yadda; dealing with this or that type of person; falan filan (Turkish for, roughly, "yadda yadda yadda"); real life; falan feşmekan (a slightly more, to my ear, euphonious alternative to falan filan); etc.
Basically, that's the reason I'm taking off. I'm not sure my leaving will be as entire as the Flann O'Brien quote now on my userpage suggests (I'll still try to "defend" at least the pages I nurtured from unreasonable and/or silly crap of the sort we are both aware of), but it should be pretty nearly so. It's just that I recently realized, while writing my latest minorpieces ( Layman Pang and Katsu (Zen)), that the energy and research spent on such work could be better directed than towards Wikipedia ... not that I have come to entirely doubt the value of the project, just that I have come to doubt the value of the project's influence on me (ooh, that sounds positively Pynchonian) and, more specifically, on other work that I feel I should be doing.
Nonetheless, it's hard giving up, ain't it? Post-leave, I made one content edit (anonymously) of a section that I had written myself for the Samuel Beckett article, and of a sentence that is with about 92% surety original research (if for no other reason than that I was in whiskey-soaked epiphany mode when writing the whole section so as to get the article up to speed for main page featured article day, 13 April, which the article wasn't otherwise ready for yet). Anyhow, the post-leave edit was promptly reverted, proving that the hawks are watching, and so I did as the hawks asked and simply tagged it as "citation needed" (under my own name). So, it's nice to see that the whole Wiki-process is still going strong.
In the meantime, I wish you all the best of luck in all your endeavors (and a belated congratulations on becoming an admin—you, as far as I can tell, certainly deserve it, since you were all but doing an admin's work anyhow). Cheers. — Saposcat 22:11, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I am not unable to edit this page. Is it possible that someone has changed some setting. Also please upprotect History of Pakistan page. This page is target of Indians writing history of Pakistan from their perspective. Siddiqui 22:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello Khoikhoi:). I noticed that new edit- revert-wars are about to break out concerning placenames in Greek-related articles. I added the Greek name in the top in Bitola again. I can't see why this article should be "excluded". if it's the 'Name section' that it has, tell me so, so i can create such a section in Thessaloniki as well... I honestly why some users see the placenames issue as "revence", "50-50" or supposed "equality". A place (town, city or area) has to have some basic characteristics in order to have a name in another language (establishment, first inhabitants, historic or modern importance, present minority, past or modern usage of that name in english, etc...). if we are about to say: well, greek placenames are in turkish or fyromian articles, so we "should" (huh?) add in those languages the greek articles, why not adding in all greek articles the name in arabic? greek names are already in Alexandria, Lattakia, etc. or maybe lets write Thessaloniki, Ioannina, Xanthi, Epirus in italian, for the greek name is in Naples, Sicily, Syracuse... This eye-for-an-eye attitude makes me sick! (but what i am talking about? the Italians do know history, as much as the Greeks do...). Regards Hectorian 23:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Khoi, you may want to stop using rollback against regular editors, or we all know that sooner or later, due to some user or other, you'll end up with an RFC up your rear end. Take care ;-) -- Tekleni 23:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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