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Deleted File without chance to follow directions?

According to my talk page, /info/en/?search=User_talk:Eduncan911#Disputed_non-free_use_rationale_for_File%3ADell_XPS_730x_Software_AlienFX.jpg, you commented that a file may not meet the terms of fair use.

I differ and have a statement of facts to present. But before the stated 7 days window for me to come in and state the facts, the file has been deleted without any feedback allowed.

I will be restoring the file, if possible, and stating the facts of the dispute. Please contact me if you dispute my rational.

Eduncan911 ( talk) 13:49, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Eduncan911 The file has not been deleted yet. You can find it here: File:Dell XPS 730x Software AlienFX.jpg (The other file, File:Dell XPS 730x Stealth Blue.jpg, on the other hand, has). If this is about the former file, make your statement on its talk page here. If it's about the latter, you could explain your point of view here on my talk page and we'll take it from there (or re-upload it, as you've suggested). –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 13:59, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Finnusertop Thank you for the quick response. The former file is not a question, as that issue back in 2011 was because it was on my user's page and I tried to publish it and the photos were not allowed from user pages. I resolved those issues as I created and owned those files uploaded as well as publishing into public domain. The comments remain on my talk page for posterity.

The file File:Dell XPS 730x Stealth Blue.jpg is of the discussion here. The rational, as I explained multiple times when I was getting it published on that talk page and it was also flagged as copyrighted multiple times back in 2011, were: 1) it does not violate the first non-free content criterion because there is no free equivalent to available for use. 2) the image was already released of copyright holdings because it used as part of Dell's original Press Kit used for these products back in 2006, and therefore free to use for all media outlets. 3) I have reached out via email and phone call multiple times to contact Dell for permission of a discontinued product (I asked for several other files for permission as well). The only official response I have received was that Dell's marketing was unaware of these files for a "long discontinued product." 4) The product is not available to be professionally photographed as this product has long been discontinued since 2008. 5) Most images out in circulation are not available for use because of several reasons: they are photos of highly modified versions copyrighted by other users and do not match the original product images, copyrighted under a publishing company and that I did not want to violate their terms of (most just reused the same media kit mentioned in reason #2 above), copyrighted by Facebook's terms of service, or are of very very low quality or size.

I feel adding the aforementioned "Go to the file description page and add the text {{ Di-replaceable fair use disputed|<your reason>}} below the original replaceable fair use template, replacing <your reason> with a short explanation of why the file is not replaceable" action and the other "On the file discussion page, write a full explanation of why you believe the file is not replaceable" action are acceptable to explain the 1-6 reasons above.

Lastly, I feel I have already done this in 2011 when I justified the image to begin with. There may be history in those talk pages and description of the file uploaded already for exactly these purposes that must be reviewed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eduncan911 ( talk • contribs) 16:28, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Eduncan911, I'm sorry, I missed the discussion from 2011.

The issue with replaceability in this case boils down to number 4) on your list: is this product available for photography so that someone could snap a photo of it and release it under a free license. Unless you can prove ( WP:NFCCE) that all Dell XPS 730x computers have been destroyed, there are units available for photography. I find it highly likely that a mass produced item from a few years ago is still there: some people own these, others sell them, maybe some of them are located in public places or stores. The replaceability criteria does not mean that it should be easy for you to produce that photograph. The standard is that if it's not categorically impossible, it's replaceable.

The other points you make are inconsequential. Number 2) in particular is sounds like a flawed understanding of free licensing. A release, even for re-use, is almost never free licensing. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 20:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

TIP TIG

I agree with you that there is currently no copyright violation by this article of the company website. The Wikipedia article was not changed during the hour between me nominating the article for deletion and you finding there was no violation, however I believe the company website was changed in that time. I would not have nominated the article for deletion if Earwig's copyvio tool had not flagged it up as a large concern. I don't just take the information it provides but then compare the article and source carefully, and don't proceed unless I am sure it is a violation. Now Google search is not so nimble as the TIP TIG company, and if you search for TIP TIG as I have just done, you currently get what I have copied below, which is part of the exact copyright violating text. The creator of the Wikipedia article has since written on my talk page "I work for the AWS and the inventor/owner of this welding process allowed us to use every kind of content/pictures/videos about TIP TIG.", so the idea of text on the website being rewritten is not so far-fetched as it might appear. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 13:50, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

TIP TIG - Welding Equipment - TIG Welders & Automated Welding ...

https://www.tiptig.com/

TIP TIG is a subset of gas tungsten arc welding (GTAW), using a mechanism called filler wire agitation which enhances molten weld puddle dynamics and this agitation has been found to enhance the weld puddle fluidity and release evolving gases, reducing the chances of inclusions and porosity, and also separate .

Cwmhiraeth, if it's not a clear-cut (speedy deletion) case, you could try Wikipedia:Copyright problems. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 15:10, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree, and intend to take no further action. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 18:44, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Andy Cohen (television personality)

Hello! I know that you have helped me in the past and I am having trouble adding in new information into Andy Cohen's wikipedia page. I was wondering if you could help me add this information in? Or explain why I cant add some things in?

He does a tour with Anderson Cooper since March 21st, 2015 called AC2 Live: Deep Talk and Shallow Tales ^[1]They have done 34 cities and by the end of the year it will be 45 cities.

He launched his own book imprint, Andy Cohen Books ^[2]

He has played himself on Riverdale and Unbreakable Kimmie Schmidt ^{[3] [4]}

Please let me know if this is something you can help me with.

Carpedaryn ( talk) 20:59, 29 January 2018 (UTC)Daryn

It looks like you have figured it out by now. Good! –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 19:27, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

References

1. ^ http://www.ac2live.com/
2. ^ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/andy-cohen-launch-his-own-901112
3. ^ http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/17/riverdale-andy-cohen/
4. ^ https://www.bustle.com/p/kimmy-schmidt-finally-crosses-paths-with-andy-cohen-the-real-housewives-in-the-perfect-way-59205

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Another Daily Mail RfC

There is an RfC at Talk:Daily Mail#Request for comment: Other criticisms section. Your input would be most helpful. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 12:20, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

my script

hey, I saw you mention my script. I'm pretty much done working on it, which is not the same as saying that it's completed. But if you use it, and if you ever do see any systematic problem that needs to be addressed, or think of a really useful additional warning that could be added, or anything that could be tweaked, please do drop me a line. Tks.  Lingzhi ♦  (talk) 14:39, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

It's a great script, Lingzhi. I tested it for some time. But if I kept it on, harmonizing citations in random articles would be all I have time for. I've decided to use it only in articles I care about and of which I can determine what is the intended CITEVAR. I haven't noticed any problems with the script. The amount of errors is just overwhelming in articles that haven't gone through extensive cleanup. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 20:50, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

• I suppose the long-term dream is to add two buttons: one to publish all the errors to the relevant talk page under a standardized heaader (something like "Output of User:Lingzhi/reviewsourcecheck"), and a second to toggle the warnings display on or off. Or maybe not the second one; it's really not a big deal to edit your common.js ... meanwhile, I often just randomly look at WP:GAN articles for pop culture or anything that looks like its refs would have many web cites, then if I see a lot of red I just call IABot's Analyze a page on them as a quiet public service.. sometimes User:Citation bot/use for those that are not web-heavy... but yeah.. copy/pasting all those errors one by one to a review is a really huge pain.. ialso sometimes just just glance down and if I see a lot of red, suggest that people install the script... or whatever. But anyhow, if you ever do have any suggestions, drop me a line. And good luck in all things!  Lingzhi ♦  (talk) 01:20, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Untitled

Feminism should be called Gender Equalism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.144.105.235 ( talk) 00:59, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

You are perhaps posting this here because I edited the article Feminism (I fixed some references). Wikipedia is not interested in what things should be called. Wikipedia reports what things are called. If you have an issue with what feminism is called in the article, take it to Talk:Feminism. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 17:27, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

2017 Turku stabbing news photo of the year.jpg

Hey! Mind checking if the non-free rationale on File:2017 Turku stabbing news photo of the year.jpg as well as the article's commentary on the picture are per criteria and sufficient? Since you checked the Napue gin pic fair use... Thx! Manelolo ( talk) 12:56, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

@ Manelolo: I think you've made a great effort in writing the non-free use rationale and how the photo is incorporated in the article. That means that we can dismiss some of the immediate no-go items of non-free content policy. That being said, it's not one of the textbook cases of acceptable use either (ie. using the cover of a book in the infobox of the article about that book).

There are some uncertainties here about contextual significance: yes, the text of the article talks about this image and how it looks like. But on the other hand, the article is about the event, not the photograph. Then again, the photograph depicts the event (and we presumably have no free images of the event as it unfolded). But does anything about the event itself actually need a visual depiction to be understood?

If you want a definite answer backed by consensus, you could take it to (or ask me to take it to) WP:FFD. It's the kind use that is neither obviously acceptable nor unacceptable and needs to be reviewed on a case-by-case basis, although such a review at FFD is usually initiated by someone who thinks the image does not meet the criteria. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 16:33, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, yes, thank you! Took it FFD at Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2018_March_10#File:2017_Turku_stabbing_news_photo_of_the_year.jpg. I'm pretty certain it's not needed per se but as the rationale goes its inclusion in the article adds significantly to the it. Let's see how FFD goes! Manelolo ( talk) 16:49, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Elcor, Minnesota

Hello, Finnusertop!

Would you have any interest in translating the featured article Elcor, Minnesota for the Finnish Wikipedia? Since many of the immigrants who settled here were from Finland, I think having the article translated in this language is important, especially for any relatives of former residents who are looking for information about the town. Thanks! DrGregMN ( talk) 15:12, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

That sounds like a great idea, DrGregMN. I'll make an effort to create it at fi:Elcor. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 18:25, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! DrGregMN ( talk) 15:43, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Finnusertop. I know how very busy you are, but am curious to know if you have been working on a Finnish translation for this page? DrGregMN ( talk) 14:12, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, DrGregMN. Sorry for the delay (holidays). I have a rough, incomplete version, which I haven't submitted yet. I don't feel like it's up to standard at this point. I hope it will rekindle my interest somewhere in the near future, but right now I'm quite busy. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 20:55, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Merited Athlete of North Korea

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Your mass removal of links to "#Users" in infoboxes about military weapons etc

Hello. Please stop removing the links, they're common praxis in articles about military equipment, aircraft and weapons, exist in almost all such articles, and have done so for many years! Also please note that "avoid links" does not mean that such links aren't allowed, so if you intend to continue removing them you'll need to get support on the talk page of each article before doing so. - Tom |  Thomas.W ^talk 19:45, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Got it, Thomas.W! Thanks for letting me know. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 20:24, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

confirmation of an upload

hey, you had instructed on the subject of modification of images upladed to wikicommons. But I wanted to confirm what i did was appropriate to the terms, so i would request You to check and confirm the same Link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:President_Ram_Nath_Kovind_awards_the_President%E2%80%99s_Colour_to_the_Submarine_Arm_of_Indian_Navy_(4)_(cropped).jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adithya harish pergade ( talk • contribs) 13:03, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Adithya harish pergade. Thank you for uploading the cropped image! Everything seems correct. I've done some minor fixes (e.g. the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 Generic is probably basically the same as the original Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 India license, but I think it's safer to have the original). –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 13:06, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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Question about David Meade

Hi, I checked out the tool you told me and I liked it. However, I do need help with one of the issues on David Meade (author). It says that if "there is not a free use image to the top right corner of the article, please try to find and include one." I've been trying to look for a accurate image to go on the top of the article, but I'm not sure which one seems accurate. If you don't mind, could you please help find a image of him, or anything related to him or his Nibiru predictions I can put it in the article. Thanks! -- LovelyGirl7 talk 18:39, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

This is a very interesting and challenging case when it comes to images, LovelyGirl7. There seems to be different images circulating of Mead. The one you can see here is quite common. On the other hand, Newsweek thinks that this is him. His identity remains a bit of a mystery so it's difficult to pin down which images of him are accurate. But even if we did, there is no indication that the images are under a free license that we can accept; we can't use them.

One, though cumbersome, way would be to contact Mead himself and ask for a photo. I don't know how to contact him, but it seems that journalists have done so. There are quite specific instructions about how to do this though, and it's not very easy. Given the circumstances I think chances of it succeeding are pretty slim anyhow.

At any rate, the situation here is not that uncommon: many of our biographies of living people lack photos of the person. A person is not like a building or a sculpture that is easy to access and photograph. A person may no longer be professionally active, or there may be other special circumstances (such as uncertain identity like here). A photo would be nice to have here, but it's not going to be an obstacle in an FA nomination if there simply aren't any free photos available. I wouldn't put a related photo about the Nibiru phenomenon in the infobox since it's where people look for visual information about what the subject looks like, and in a biography it should be a portrait. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 14:42, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi @ Finnusertop: I think his email is mentioned on his own website [1]. I think that’s how you can contact him. Another issues I found are these:

• As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), dates shouldn't use th; for example, instead of (if such appeared in the article) using January 30th was a great day, use January 30 was a great day.[?]
• The script has spotted the following contractions: Isn't, Won't, didn't, if these are outside of quotations, they should be expanded.

Do you believe these other 2 issues were fixed? If not, could you provide me sentences/citations that I should fix to solve these issues. Thanks! — LovelyGirl7 talk 15:18, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

@ LovelyGirl7: I've harmonized the date numbers to use the dmy format that was originally decided for this article. I can't see an dates with th; it might be a false positive.

I did some other tweaks as well. There was a contraction – "that's" – that was actually part of a quote so I placed it inside of quotation marks. The other contractions are in titles of news articles, so they're okay.

I also unlinked the word Israel inside of a quote. Quotes shouldn't contain links to begin with and this was particularly misleading given the historical topic of ancient Israel. But don't worry, Israel is still properly linked to later in the same section.

I can't see any problems left with the article. Much of what I said about the article on Jim Bakker applies here; it's a bit short, and I find it likely that there is more information out there because the topic has received massive amounts of coverage. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 14:57, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

@ Finnusertop: I’m glad you fixed them. Anymore problems I need to solve in the article before taking it to FA? I still have time to solve problems with the article. — LovelyGirl7 talk 15:12, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Everything looks okay to me, LovelyGirl7. Good luck! –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 20:03, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@ Finnusertop: Hi, I need a little of help here with Meade. Another thing I found in the article is that "While additive terms like “also”, “in addition”, “additionally”, “moreover”, and “furthermore” may sometimes be useful, overusing them when they aren't necessary can instead detract from the brilliancy of the article. This article has 18 additive terms, a bit too much." I do need help fixing them. Also, I created the FA nomination page so feel free to vote there as well. -- LovelyGirl7 talk 22:54, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!

Thanks for helping on Winter Cherry complex.

Trish pt7 (talk) ( talk) 15:06, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Trish pt7, for recognizing my modest contribution! Have a great day! –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 15:34, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

partisanship and democracy

I can understand your lack of knowledge about Western Classical music, but the fact that "it's backed by strong consensus" doesn't mean that it's truthful. That's why Europe was monarchic: to avoid that the opinion of the last idiot was comparable to that of an intellectual. I repeat (maybe I wasn't clear): The composer's biography has nothing to do with the political landscape of that time. Otherwise we should change all the biographies of all the composers with "Germany" (Or any other country, except Finland) with "Germany at the time of". It's obvious, even to a loony, that those 4 lines are political motivated. Personally I'm not democratic (you are one more reason). Since this is a democratic "Encliclopedia" I'm entitled to change something I know more than you. If you change again, I'll write to the Wikimedia Foundation, quoting your name. Thanks, Kind Regards. Damiano Bartolomei — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.14.8 ( talk) 17:33, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

• It's simple. The political setup of the Italy at the time is relevant to Monteverdi's biography, and books about Monteverdi typically refer to it. There is no political motivation to these lines, they are a statement of historical fact. Mr. Bartolomei might find it useful to read WP:CIVILITY to understand how effectively and constructively to discuss issues on WP.-- Smerus ( talk) 18:21, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
• You can raise the issue at Talk:Claudio Monteverdi if you think you have persuasive arguments to overcome the previous consensus. Discussing on the talk page is how content disputes are resolved. The Wikimedia Foundation never gets involved in something like that. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 20:58, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thanks so much for the speedy reply at the Teahouse! ⇒ Lucie Person  (talk) 21:29, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the cookies, Lucie Person! And nice work with the signature, it looks great! –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 21:32, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Olly Olly Oxen Free

You really must not understand the meaning of "olly olly oxen free". You never miss a chance to delete any person who adds a reference they have found in current culture. You probably think the term is not worthy of an encyclopedic article. You always state the term was not properly cited or no citation at all. Why is it your job to police this article? The truth is that to most Americans the term brings back a childhood memory when used in a movie or at a corporate meeting. The fact that the list exceeded over 30 uses (when you deleted them all) proves the relevance of the term. You have removed 8 entries in the last 50 edits to the article. For movie stars they have a separate article for awards and nomination. Would you accept a separate list for all the "In the culture" paragraph? I don't understand my interest. I was surprised that Wikipedia covered the term and proved it's worth of documenting human knowledge. I will shut up. Eschoryii ( talk) 03:48, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Eschoryii, and thanks for dropping by. I absolutely think that the term warrants an encyclopedia article. But we seem to disagree on what that encyclopedia article should say about the topic. There is clear community consensus that only popular culture references that are discussed in reliable independent sources should be included: Wikipedia talk:Verifiability/Archive 63#popular-culture-RfC. If a collective memory of the phrase and its use in popular culture media exists, which probably does, then one would expect to find sources that discuss the phenomenon. I simply happen to have the article on my watchlist. I de-watchlist articles when I no longer see obvious problems with them, but this one keeps popping up with the same issue. Page protection might be in order here. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 19:20, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I understand. Eschoryii ( talk) 19:53, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Christian Manifesto

The article The Christian Manifesto you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:The Christian Manifesto for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Farang Rak Tham -- Farang Rak Tham ( talk) 21:01, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the List of most-viewed Asian music videos on YouTube

Well, I created this article with the mindset that every eager mind who wants to clarify the position of various countries of Asia on the platform of YouTube can have an access to the article created by me. It is true that there is not any official release of any article on the web stating this kind of list but it can be noted that there are several articles depicting the tops of individual countries like that of Korea (K-pop), Japan (J-pop), Vietnam (V-pop), Middle East (Arabic songs), India (Bollywood songs and others) and infact almost every region of Asia possess this kind of list. So, what do you say, are they all narrow minded? It is totally obivious that now the world is globalised. So, the music production by any country may seem the participation of other but that doesn't play with the very identity of the song (resembling the culture). Regarding the negligence of middle east, I tried my best to include each and every part of Asia in it, but I could not make it happen because not every part of Asia could make it to the list (means lowering the bar below 350 million would make the article a mess because there are a lot of many videos above 300 million views). For example, V-pop's best has around 336 million views, J-pop's best have 185 million, Arabic best is more than 600 million views, but it was from a Moroccan singer (and exclusively produced by a Moroccan company). So I could not include them in the list. Well, I am not saying that they will never make it to the list or I have the full editing rights on the article. Anyone can edit it and include others in the future and exactly that's how Wikipedia works. Regarding the breach of the very rights of Wikipedia, I have not made this article for using any propaganda or with wrong mindset or intention. If anybody feels so, then he has the full rights regarding molding the article in the way it suits an encyclopediac content and making it fruitful for others.

Thank you for your kind intention. Rishu Shukla ( talk) 00:07, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid I am not going to change my mind regarding the article, Rishu Shukla. My personal opinion of such topics is that they need to meet WP:LISTN. How many books have been written on the topic most-viewed Asian music videos on YouTube? Zero, I guess. Same goes for academic articles; there might be a few articles in news media, but this is probably WP:ROUTINE coverage (top 10 lists, not actual significant coverage). –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 00:11, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

• Defining precisely, the resemblence of culture and languages among different nations, population level of different countries determining the number of views, popularity of that music industry, penetration power of YouTube in different countries and alternatives for such videos etc. are those basic factors which are applied to all the sub-categories of YouTube articles across Wikipedia. Well, there are more people in this world who recognize English as either their first or second language as compared to either German or French. So, they are more likely to listen songs in english language and resemble with the english pop culture. Therefore contributing greater number of views for those videos (Although there are exceptions like Despacito, Gangnam Style, but they are just 1-2% of the whole music industry). Similarly, the population level of India is huge compared to the combined population level of many countries in Asia. But, even though, the views of Indic videos are not as much as K-pop, English songs, etc. As one can notice that YouTube is totally banned in China. That's why even having a humongous population, it does not feature in any of such lists on global arena. Therefore it may be noted that all the wikipedia articles are not representing the whole part of the globe, which means they are all incorrect in one way or other and if they are not, then my article is also right in each and every way as per the general notion followed by all such articles on Wikipedia. Representing more than, half of the human population, it is totally correct to mention list which represents the different countries of Asia on YouTube. So, please try to undetstand the credibility of the article and support its existence. [[User: Rishu Shukla|Rishu Shukla ( talk) 10:13, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Holy Leaven

The article Holy Leaven you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Holy Leaven for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of TonyBallioni -- TonyBallioni ( talk) 16:41, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Ichthus: May 2018

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May 2018

Project News
By Lionelt

Last month's auspicious relaunch of our newsletter precipitated something of an uproar in the Wikipedia community. What started as a localized edit war over censorship spilled over onto the Administrator's Noticeboard finally ending up at Wikipedia's supreme judicial body ArbCom. Their ruling resulted in the admonishment of administrator Future Perfect at Sunrise for his involvement in the dispute. The story was reported by Wikipedia's venerable flagship newspaper The Signpost.

The question of whether to delete all portals--including the 27 Christianity-related portals--was put to the Wikipedia community. Approximately 400 editors have participated in the protracted discussion. Going by !votes, Oppose deletion has a distinct majority. The original Christianity Portal was created on November 5, 2005 by Brisvegas and the following year he successfully nominated the portal for Featured Portal. The Transhumanist has revived WikiProject Portals with hopes of revitalizing Wikipedia's system of 1,515 portals.

Stay up-to-date on the latest happenings at the Project Watch

Achievements

Four articles in the Project were promoted to GA: Edict of Torda nom. by Borsoka, Jim Bakker nom. by LovelyGirl7, Ralph Abernathy nom. by Coffee and Psalm 84 nom. by Gerda_Arendt. The Psalm ends with "O Lord of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee." Words to live by. Please support our members and send some WikiLove to the nominators!

Featured article
Nominated by Spangineer

Operation Auca was an attempt by five Evangelical Christian missionaries from the United States to make contact with the Huaorani people of the rainforest of Ecuador. The Huaorani, also known as the Aucas, were an isolated tribe known for their violence, both against their own people and outsiders who entered their territory. With the intention of being the first Protestants to evangelize the Huaorani, the missionaries began making regular flights over Huaorani settlements in September 1955, dropping gifts. After several months of exchanging gifts, on January 2, 1956, the missionaries established a camp at "Palm Beach", a sandbar along the Curaray River, a few miles from Huaorani settlements. Their efforts culminated on January 8, 1956, when all five— Jim Elliot, Nate Saint, Ed McCully, Peter Fleming, and Roger Youderian—were attacked and speared by a group of Huaorani warriors. The news of their deaths was broadcast around the world, and Life magazine covered the event with a photo essay. The deaths of the men galvanized the missionary effort in the United States, sparking an outpouring of funding for evangelization efforts around the world. Their work is still frequently remembered in evangelical publications, and in 2006, was the subject of the film production End of the Spear. ( more...)

Did You Know
Nominated by Dahn

"... that, shortly after being sentenced to death for treason, Ioan C. Filitti became manager of the National Theatre Bucharest?"

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Hi, I would like to ask your help with an issue.

A few months ago you removed on the page of Tolstoy, rightfully, in this sentence,

Tolstoy's ideas on nonviolent resistance were to have a profound impact on such pivotal 20th-century figures as Mohandas Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr., and James Bevel.

the third name. You gave as justification: rmv unreferenced, nowhere to be found in the body of the article, and peripheral influence. This edit of you was reverted by the only user (Randy Kryn) who has re-added this name over the past few years. The explanation of this re-edit was: add information removed. Since then the sentence has been there.

I have also tried to remove the name James Bevel. Not only because he is a peripheral influence, but also because it would imply that a man convicted for being guilty of incest is of similar status as Gandhi and MLK. Four different users have tried to remove the name of James Bevel. But user Randy Kryn insists that it should be there. The contribution of Randy Kryn on the talk page makes me think that I won't be able to solve the issue with her/him.

On the other hand, I think that any other user will quickly agree on this issue. I therefore believe that what is needed right now is more attention to the page. I also mentioned this to you because you are the most experienced of those four users, and probably know very well how to act in such a situation.

If you can help, that would be very great.

Yuyuhunter ( talk) 07:00, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

I have now commented there. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 14:25, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

ok thanks it's sad that there's not enough info about her to put into an article and I have the same amount of info as I guess the other person does so I will not make one thanks again. hello i like vaporwave and cartoons AND YES I'M AN ADULT. 16:54, 4 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaporwaveman34 ( talk • contribs)

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Hello Finnusertop, shall I review another of your articles, National Christian Council of China, or do you prefer another reviewer for a change?-- Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 20:23, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Sure, Farang Rak Tham, go right ahead! There will be some duplicate content and duplicate issues with the last review. I hope that won't bore you. I certainly enjoyed the last review you did and would love to re-new that experience. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 04:02, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article National Christian Council of China you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Farang Rak Tham -- Farang Rak Tham ( talk) 07:41, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

( Pankaj verma 23 ( talk) 13:43, 14 May 2018 (UTC)) Thanks

Hi Bro,

I am not able to convey thanks to DES who greeted me. I am able to Talk with you and not DES.

One more question. I know its against the rules of Wikipedia to tell about our profession or websites. If someone as during the introduction so how to manage this or to avoid.

I am basically connected with marketing and in my spare time i do some work for Google places, facebook places correction. So i came across Wikipedia so though why not to devote some of my time to correct this wonderful place.

I thanks all from the deep of my heart for making this a wonderful place which will be of great value for generations to come.

Regards

( Pankaj verma 23 ( talk) 13:51, 14 May 2018 (UTC))

Hello, Pankaj verma 23, and thanks for dropping by. I'll say hi to DESiegel from you, but if you want to talk to him, you can do so on his talk page, here: User talk:DESiegel.

Telling about your profession comes in many flavors. Some are accepted and some are not. What you just did – tell other editors about your professional connections – is a good thing. It's good to be transparent so that others can make sure you don't do the things that are not allowed. What is not allowed is to write Wikipedia articles about your employee. This is called a conflict of interest. What is also not allowed is to write your user page (i.e. User:Pankaj verma 23) full of promotional details about your professional work and how to hire you. Your user page looks just fine.

I hope you find Wikipedia a place of enjoyment and learning and stay with us for many years to come. It's a great hobby, I can tell you! If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask, either here on my talk page or at the Teahouse. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 18:29, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! Thank you for changing cleanup tags to copy edit tags where it is appropriate. I sometimes make similar changes when the copy edit tag has been applied incorrectly.

The Guild of Copy Editors is very active, and our current backlog is only about eight months. Can you please either update the tag's date to the current month or remove the date entirely? A bot will add the current date. Thanks! – Jonesey95 ( talk) 13:52, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Alright, I will. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 17:59, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Brother Finnusertop What are these plus and negative points before our contributions. And what is the use of this. Can you explain.

Regards ( Pankaj verma 23 ( talk) 13:55, 14 May 2018 (UTC))

( talk page stalker) The +/- number after any contribution shows how many characters were added or removed as part of that edit. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 14:28, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. ~ GB fan 14:34, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

The article National Christian Council of China you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:National Christian Council of China for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Farang Rak Tham -- Farang Rak Tham ( talk) 11:21, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

The article National Christian Council of China you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:National Christian Council of China for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Farang Rak Tham -- Farang Rak Tham ( talk) 11:41, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, You recently undid my revision to the death date of Shirasangi Lingaraj Desai. However, I agree that death date is notable but as per the death date mentioned in one of the article he has lived upto the age of 145 years ; which is not true as longest lived person on the earth has lived to the age of 122 years. You might object the birth date . But I have found two reliable sources to support his birth date&year from one reference and another reference to support his birth year in Wikipedia article. So, please remove the death date of that person. Rishi Muni ( talk) 16:43, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Rishi Muni. I acted hastily; I didn't remember it was that article. At any rate, you have a point. Please feel free to revert me. Continue discussion with the other editors if there is disagreement about the dates. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 17:16, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello User:Finnusertop:

I appreciate you stepping in on my revert of the revert of the revert 😊…. To explain the situation, from my part, see my explanation at Talk:Damien Mantach….again, thanks for you help. ShoesssS ^Talk 23:13, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il badges you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of WPCW -- WPCW ( talk) 20:21, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Congratulation, I have awarded this a GA. It was an interesting article and a pleasure to read. -- WPCW ( talk) 22:36, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

The article Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il badges you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il badges for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of WPCW -- WPCW ( talk) 22:41, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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We have grown to 89 members.

This is the seventh issue of this newsletter. For previous issues, see our newsletter archive.

Welcome

A warm welcome to our nearly one dozen new members...

Our new members include:

• Evad37
• Checkingfax
• Grey Wanderer
• Voceditenore
• TestPAKISTAN
• Godsy
• Greatedits1
• Charlesdrakew
• Ww2censor
• Simon Burchell
• TheGridExe

Be sure to say "hi" and welcome them to the team.

The portal set has shrunk

There were 1515 portals, but now we have 1475, because we speedy deleted a bunch of incompleted portals that had been sitting around for ages, that were empty shells or had very little content. Because they were speedied, they can be rebuilt from scratch without acquiring approval from WP:DRV.

Maintenance runs on the portals set have begun

This is what we have been gearing up for: upgrading the portals en masse, using AWB.

More than half of the Associated Wikimedia sections have been converted to no longer use a subpage. This chore will probably be completed over the next week or two. Many thanks to the WikiGnome Squad, who have added an Associated Wikimedia section to the many geography-related portals that lacked one. The rest of the subjects await. :)

The next maintenance drive will be on the intro sections. Notices have gone out to the WikiProjects for which one or more portals fall within their subject scope. Once enough time has elapsed for them to respond (1 week), AWB processing of intro sections will begin.

Thank you, you

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you all for your part in the RfC. I went back and reread much of it. I believe your enthusiasm played a major part in turning the tide on there. I'm proud of all of you.

Why reread that mess, you ask?

To harvest ideas, and to keep the problems that need to be fixed firmly in mind. But, also to keep in touch. See below...

Thank yous all around

I've contacted all of the other opposers of the RfC proposal to delete portals, to thank them for their support, and to assure them that their decision was not made in vain. I updated them on our activities, provided the link to the interviews about this project in the Signpost, pointed out our newsletter archive so they can keep up-to-date with what we are doing, and I invited them all to come and have a look-see at our operations (on our talk page).

Sockpuppet, and reverting his work

It so happened that one of our members was a sockpuppet: JLJ001. According to the admin who blocked him, he was a particularly tricky long term abuser. This is a weird situation, since the user was quite helpful. He will be missed.

This has been somewhat disruptive, because admins are doing routine deletions of the pages (portals, templates, etc.) he created, and reversion of his edits (I don't know if they will be reverting all of them). Please bear with them, as they are only doing what is best in the long run.

The following pages have been deleted by the admins so far, that I know of:

• Portal:Plymouth
• Portal:Bedfordshire
• Portal:Suffolk
• Portal:Norfolk
• User:JLJ001/tag
• Template:Non-standard portal flag
• Template:Portal flag

Automation so far, section by section...

• Intro – {{ Transclude lead excerpt}}
• Selected article – {{ Transclude random excerpt}}
• In the news – {{ Transclude selected current events}}
• Associated Wikimedia – {{Wikimedia for portals|species=no|voy=no}}
• Categories – {{#tag:categorytree|{{PAGENAME}}}}

Automatic article alerts is up and running

Automatic article alerts are now featured on the project page.

Some super out-of-date entries kept showing up on there, so posting it on the Project page was delayed. Thanks to Evad37 and AfroThundr for providing solutions on this one. Evad37 adjusted the workflow settings per Wikipedia:Article alerts/Subscribing#Choosing workflows, to make sure only the appropriate page types show up. AfroThundr removed the tags from the old entries that caused them to keep showing up in the article alerts.

Other things that could use some automation

Noyster pointed out that it would be nice to automate the updating of the portals section at the Community bulletin board.

Another major component of the portal system is the main list of portals, at Portal:Contents/Portals. How would we go about automating the updating of that?

Please post your ideas on the WikiProject's talk page. Thank you.

Deletion discussion survivors

Keep in mind that we have already speedy deleted almost all of the nearly empty portals, which can be rebuilt without approval whenever it is convenient to do so. Other portals should be completed if at all possible rather than delete them through MfD (which requires approval from Deletion review to rebuild).

• Portal:Juanes – see the discussion

(Current deletion discussions are posted on our WikiProject page).

Portals needing repair

• Portal:Toys

Wrapping up

There's still more, but it will have to wait until next issue.

Until then, see ya around the project.    — The Transhumanist   20:45, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

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The WikiProject now has 92 participants, including 16 admins.

Welcome

A warm welcome to the newest members of the team:

• Keith D
• RL0919

Be sure to say hi.

Congrats

Pbsouthwood has just gotten through the grueling RfA process to become a Wikipedia administrator. Be sure to congratulate him.

The reason he went for it was: "For some time I expect to be busy with subpage deletion for Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals as mentioned above. The amount of work is expected to keep me busy for some time. I am primarly a content creator and contributor to policy discussions, but would be willing to consider other admin work on request, providing that I feel that my involvement would be appropriate and not too far outside my comfort zone."

New feature: Picture slideshow

Evad37 has figured out a way to let the user flip through pictures without purging the page. Purging is awkward because there is an intermediary confirmation screen that you have to click on "yes". In the new picture slideshow section, all you have to do is click on the > to go to the next picture or < to instantly show the previous feature. The feature also shuffles the pictures when the page is initiated, so that they are shown in a different order each time the user visits the page (or purges it).

It is featured in Portal:Sacramento, California. Check it out to the right.

Keep in mind that the feature is a beta version. Please share your comments on how to refine this feature, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Refining the Picture slideshow.

The one-page portal has been achieved

We now have a one-page portal design. It isn't fully automated, nor is it even fully semi-automated, as there are still some manually filled-in areas. But it no longer requires any subpages in portal space, and that is a huge improvement. For example, Portal:Sacramento, California utilizes the one-page design concept. While is employs heavy use of templates, it does not have any subpages of its own.

I commend you for your teamwork

This is the most cooperative team I've ever seen. With a strong spirit of working together to get an important job done. Kudos to you.

In conclusion...

There's more. A lot more. But it will have to wait until next issue, but you don't have to wait. See what's going on at the WikiProject's talk page.    — The Transhumanist   02:09, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello there! thank you again for reaching out quickly i apologize for my delay. I wanted to touch base again, i work for the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and we want to use Wiki to improve health articles and keep any information we have open access to the public. We have a variety of topics in health and feel sharing this information is beneficial for everyone. I was looking at Wiki Data as a good jumping off point to start getting information we have out there. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thank you! DaP87 ( talk) 12:21, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, DaP87, and thanks for getting back in touch with me. I'm staring to get a better picture about what you are having in mind. It sounds interesting. I've started a thread about it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine#Robert Wood Johnson Foundation outreach. WikiProject Medicine have a better idea of what kind of materials we need. They've also done many similar outreach efforts in the past. Let's hear what they think about this. (also pinging Jim.henderson from the Teahouse.) –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 19:06, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

ICHTHUS

June 2018

Project news
By Lionelt

Here are discussions relevant to the Project:

• Liberty University has an RFC regarding the university's relationship with President Trump; see discussion
• Is Genesis History? has an RFC regarding acceptability of movie reviews for inclusion; see discussion
• United States pro-life movement has a requested move to United States anti-abortion movement; see discussion

The following articles need reviewers for GA-class: Type of Constans nom. by Gog the Mild, Tian Feng (magazine) nom. by Finnusertop. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Stay up-to-date on the latest happenings at the Project Watch

Did You Know
Nominated by Gonzonoir

... that in 1636, Phineas Hodson, Chancellor of York Minster, lost his 38-year-old wife Jane during the birth of the couple's 24th child?

Featured article
Nominated by Cliftonian

The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara

The Mortara case was a controversy precipitated by the Papal States' seizure of Edgardo Mortara, a six-year-old Jewish child, from his family in Bologna, Italy, in 1858. The city's inquisitor, Father Pier Feletti, heard from a servant that she had administered emergency baptism to the boy when he fell sick as an infant, and the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition held that this made the child irrevocably a Catholic. Because the Papal States had forbidden the raising of Christians by members of other faiths, it was ordered that he be taken from his family and brought up by the Church. After visits from the child's father, international protests mounted, but Pope Pius IX would not be moved. The boy grew up as a Catholic with the Pope as a substitute father, trained for the priesthood in Rome until 1870, and was ordained in France three years later. In 1870 the Kingdom of Italy captured Rome during the unification of Italy, ending the pontifical state; opposition across Italy, Europe and the United States over Mortara's treatment may have contributed to its downfall. ( Full article...)

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Have a treat after some hard work Clockist ( talk) 15:46, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Clockist! –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 15:47, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

It was me ! Clockist is my alternative account . Kpgj hpjm 15:55, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

We have two articles, Agnus Dei (music) and Agnus Dei (liturgy), God knows why. When I write about a mass in Latin, I typically don't link the parts of it because they are (almost) always the same, and all linked from Mass (music). IF I'd link, I'd prefer liturgy, because that has at least a hint at the fact that the common translation is liberal, - which may help readers who don't know that. "Agnus Dei qui tollis peccata mundi" is addressing the Lamb of God (second person), not speaking about it (third person): Lamb of God, [you] who take away the sins of the world, have mercy ... -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:26, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I think, Gerda Arendt, that the proper solution is to beef up Agnus Dei (music) with some information about the translation. At any case, either is a better target than Agnus Dei. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 13:30, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

My solution would be to make an article Agnus Dei, merging the content of the other two. An in-between fix could be to make Agnus Dei a redirect to liturgy. What do you think? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:43, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Merging sounds good, Gerda. But I'm afraid I'm going to be preoccupied with football in the immediate future... –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 13:50, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Let's think about it. I looked, some Agnus Dei links seems indeed to mean Lamb of God, - so changing the redirect would be no easy fix. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:00, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

We might have to use a disamb page. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 14:04, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

That's there, no help to that some will always mean in the mass, and others Lamb of God, and nobody dreaming that there could be differences ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:13, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi - I've tried to nominate for deletion as you mentioned but I think I've managed to foul it up... Could I get some help with nominating? - I've attempted [ [2]] Jamesbuc ( talk) 09:34, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Fixed, I think, Jamesbuc. I know how hard these nominations are two do manually. I've been using WP:Twinkle for years. It really makes it easy; you should give it a go! –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 09:40, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks muchly. Ive never used Twinkle before. Will give it a go later when im not at work. Jamesbuc ( talk) 09:43, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. Have a great day! –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 09:45, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Don't mind that box to the right. We'll be talking about that later, below.

Almost done...

With the portals upgrades?

No. :)

What is almost done is the updating of the main list of portals!

There are 23 portals left to be listed.

Kudos to the WikiGnome Squadron, for spearheading this.

Once it is fully updated, we need to keep it up to date. When you complete a portal, remember to add it to Portal:Contents/Portals.

Concerning portal upgrades, we are working on those section-by-section...

Associated Wikimedia section conversion task complete

The Associated Wikimedia sections of the entire set of portals have been upgraded. These are now handled on each portal base page (bypassing the previously used corresponding subpages), using the {{ Wikimedia for portals}} template rather than reiterated copied/pasted code.

So, to be more accurate on reporting upgrade progress, that's one section down (for the whole set of portals), with (about) nine sections to go. (Skipping curated portals, regarding custom content sections, of course).

Further section conversions (using AWB)

Work is underway on converting Portals' introduction sections, and the categories sections.

If you would like to help, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Upgrade introduction sections and Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#AWB task: Convert category sections

Further section conversions (by hand)

Work has also started with converting selected picture sections to picture slideshow sections. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Install picture slideshows.

Quality rating system for portals under development

Currently, there is no quality rating for portals: in the Portals WikiProject box on each portals' talk page, it just says "Portal". But times are a changin'. Quality assessment is on the way, and you can help. See the discussion.

What's coming: excerpt slideshows

Evad37 has figured out a way to apply the picture slideshow feature to displaying article excerpts (now you can check out the provided box above). :) This allows us to bypass page purging to see the next selection, and you can even click through them rather quickly. Currently, the wikicode for doing this for article excerpts is a bit eye-boggling, and so we are looking into simplifying it. A streamlined version may be just around the corner.

Note that this is a prototype, not ready for widespread use. Click on the box in between the lesser than and greater than signs, to see what I mean. It was meant for pictures, and so the thumbnail feature doesn't apply to article prose very well. I've presented it even though it isn't ready, to show the direction portal development is heading. See the discussion.

Wow

I'm amazed at how rapidly portals are evolving. And we're still within a single generation of portal technological evolution. Imagine what they might be in 2 or 3 more generations of developments. Pretty soon, portals will be able to shake your hand. :)    — The Transhumanist   11:03, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Greetings, sources have been added to the Malév Flight 240 article (and talkpage) from Hungarian television and Dutch television. In both of the documentaries referenced, there is content indicating that a Diplomat serving Finland at Amman was aboard the flight, and a Soldier-Captain serving Finlands contingent to UN Peacekeeping operations in Lebanon. Search engine difficulty has been encountered during search for references. A few seconds or minutes searching could greatly help, as others have attempted to dismiss the Hungarian and Dutch sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.161.151.248 ( talk) 19:12, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

I've replied here: Talk:Malév Flight 240#Omroep NTR –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 13:53, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

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The article Beer in North Korea you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Beer in North Korea for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Nova Crystallis -- Nova Crystallis ( talk) 17:21, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

On 25 June 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Transfer of merit, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in Buddhism, transfer of merit to deceased loved ones is seen as a better alternative than mourning? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Transfer of merit. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Transfer of merit), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 00:02, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Just a short note to let you know that this DYK entry, which you suggested yourself, attracted over 4465 hits just yesterday. This is highly unusual for a Buddhist article. Thanks, Finn.-- Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:32, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Wow, that's a lot, Farang Rak Tham! Congratulations! –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 17:46, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I just saw your wonderful content additions, keep up the good work.

Donald Trung ( talk) 09:37, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Donald Trung! Be sure to check out the work of my good friend Ceosad as well. He's more of a coin guy. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 14:49, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Was it really your intention to create an article under this very mysterious name? If not, I can have it deleted if you wish. Best, Pichpich ( talk) 19:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Pichpich, they are Category:Political party abbreviated name templates. I've created them in the wrong namespace, it seems. Can you move these two to the Tempalte space without leaving behind redirects: Liike Nyt/meta/abbr and Liike Nyt/meta/color. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 19:48, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Done: {{ Liike Nyt/meta/abbr}} and {{ Liike Nyt/meta/color}} have been created and the deletion of the original mainspace pages will happen shortly. Cheers, Pichpich ( talk) 19:57, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 19:57, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

We've grown to 94 participants.

A warm welcome to dcljr and Kpgjhpjm.

Rating system for portals

We are in the process of developing a rating system specifically for portals, as the quality assessment scheme for articles does not apply to portals. It is coming along nicely. Your input would be very helpful. See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/General#Proposed new quality class assessments.

Better than a barnstar

One of our participants got involved with this WikiProject through interest in how the new generation of portals would be handled in WP's MOS (Manual of Style). It didn't take long before he got sucked in deeper. This has given him an opportunity to look around, and so, he has made an assessment of this WikiProject's operations:

I'm quite frankly really impressed and inspired by what's happening here. If you'd asked me a year ago if I thought portals should just be scrapped as a failed, dragged-out experiment, I would have said "yes". This planning and the progress toward making it all practical is exemplary of the wiki spirit, in particular of a happy service-to-readers puppy properly wagging its technological and editorial tail instead of the other way around, and without "drama". It's also one of the few examples I've seen in a long time of a new wikiproject actually doing something useful and fomenting constructive activity (instead of acting as a barrier to participation, and a canvassing/ownership farm for PoV pushers). Kudos all around. — SMcCandlish

Congratulations, everyone. Keep up the great work.

Slideshow development

We've run into a glitch with slideshows: they don't work on mobile devices.

Initially, we will need to explore options that allow portals to have slideshows without adversely affecting mobile viewers. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design#Mobile view support.

Eventually, we may need another way to do slideshows. If we do go this route, and I don't see why we wouldn't, then (user configurable) automatic slideshows also become a possibility.

TemplateStyles RfC passed

Once implemented, this will allow editors to create and edit cascading style sheets for use with templates. This will expand what we can do with portals. For more detail, see mw:Extension:TemplateStyles and Wikipedia:TemplateStyles.

Automation effort

We've run into an obstacle using Lua-based selective transclusion: Lua is incapable (on Wikipedia) of reading in article names from categories. Because of this, we'll need to seek other approaches for fully automating the Selected article section. We are exploring sources other than categories, and other technologies besides Lua.

Speaking of using other sources, the template {{ Transclude list item excerpt}} collects list items from a specified page, or from a section of that page, and transcludes the lead from a randomly selected link from that list. Courtesy of Certes. So, if you use this in a portal, and if the template specifies a page or section serviced by JL-Bot, you've now got yourself an automatically updated section in the portal. JL-Bot provides links to featured content and good articles, by subject.

What is "fully automated"? When you create a portal using a creation template, and the portal works thereafter without editor intervention, the portal is fully automated. That is, the portal is supported by features that fetch new content. If you have to add new article names every so often for it to display new content, then it is only semi-automated.

Currently, the Selected article section is semi-automated, because it requires that an editor supplies the names of the various articles for which excerpts are (automatically) displayed. For examples, look at the wikisource code of Portal:Reptiles, Portal:Ancient Tamil civilization, and Portal:Reference works.

So far, 3 sections are fully automatable: the introduction section, the categories section, and the Associated Wikimedia section.

Where is all this heading?

Henry.

Or some other name.

Eventually, the portal department will be a software program. And we won't have to do anything (unless we want to). Not even tell it what portals to create (unless we want to). It will just do it all (plus whatever else we want it to do). And we will of course give it good manners, and a name.

But, that is a few years off.

Until then, building portals is still (partially) up to us.    — The Transhumanist   13:31, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

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ICHTHUS

July 2018

The Top 7 report
By Lionelt

The big news was the marriage of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. The Top 7 most popular articles in WikiProject Christianity were:

1. Elizabeth I of England – legendary monarch who ushered in the Elizabethan Era over the dead body of her half-sister (#5)
2. Henry VIII of England – on his deathbed the last words of the king who founded the English Reformation were "Monks! Monks! Monks!"
3. Martin Luther King Jr. – can't wait to see the new US$5 bill featuring the "I Have a Dream" speech
4. Seven deadly sins – surprisingly "original research" is not one of the Seven deadly sins
5. Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC)
6. Michael Curry (bishop) – our article says that he upstaged Meghan at her wedding. Did you see her wedding pictures? All I can say is {{dubious}}
7. Robert F. Kennedy – when informed that missiles were being installed in Cuba he famously quipped, "Can they hit Oxford, Mississippi?"

Did you know
Nominated by The C of E

... that the little-known 1758 Methodist hymn " Sun of Unclouded Righteousness" asks God to send the doctrine of the "Unitarian fiend ... back to hell", referring to both Islam and Unitarianism?

Our newest Featured list
Nominated by Freikorp

[[File:|200px|The Last Judgment by painter Hans Memling. ]]

The Last Judgment by painter Hans Memling.

List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events. Predictions of apocalyptic events that would result in the extinction of humanity, a collapse of civilization, or the destruction of the planet have been made since at least the beginning of the Christian Era. Most predictions are related to Abrahamic religions, often standing for or similar to the eschatological events described in their scriptures. Christian predictions typically refer to events like the Rapture, Great Tribulation, Last Judgment, and the Second Coming of Christ.

Polls conducted in 2012 across 20 countries found over 14% of people believe the world will end in their lifetime, with percentages raging from 6% of people in France to 22% in the US and Turkey. In the UK in 2015, the general public believed the likeliest cause would be nuclear war, while experts thought it would be artificial intelligence. Between one and three percent of people from both countries thought the apocalypse would be caused by zombies or alien invasion. ( more...)

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Hi Finnusertop,

Thank you for reviewing my article and giving me such valuable feedback. I can now see the issue with the article and will check the sources and update. Indeed Duffy is not mentioned by name in a lot of the sources. However where a person is a member of a group, and this can be clearly shown, and the group is mentioned by name, does the association with the group not merit the viability and reference of the source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corkmusichistory ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

@ Corkmusichistory: You can use such sources, but be mindful of whether they actually support the content you write or not. It's very easy to jump into conclusions and you should avoid that.

But such sources don't contribute toward notability. Notability is determined by coverage about the exact topic, and not related topics.

In sum, by all means use them, if there's something you need to say about the group. But don't rely on them; you still need to use ample sources that explicitly discuss Duffy. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 11:33, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

We now have 97 participants.

Be sure to welcome our newest members, BrantleyIzMe, Coffeeandcrumbs, and Nolan Perry, with warm regards.

Work is proceeding apace. We have 2 major thrusts right now: converting the intro sections of portals, and building the components of the one-page automated model...

Converting the intro sections

We need everybody, except those building software components, to work on converting intros. If you have AWB, definitely use that. If not, then work on them manually. Even one a day, or as often as you can muster, will help a lot. There are only about 1,000 of them left to go, so if everyone chips in, it will go pretty quickly. Remember, there are 97 of us!

The intros for most of the portals starting with A through F have already been converted to use the {{ Transclude lead excerpt}} template.

The standard wikicode for the automated intro that we want to put into place looks like this:

{{/box-header|Introduction|noedit=yes|}}
{{Transclude lead excerpt | {{PAGENAME}} | paragraphs=1-2 | files=1}}
{{Box-footer|[[{{PAGENAME}}|Read more...]]}}

That works for most portals, but not all. For some portals it requires some tweaking, and for others, we may have to use a different or more customized approach. Remember to visually inspect each portal you work on and make sure that it works before moving on to the next one.

Be sure to skip user-maintained portals. They are listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Portals#Specific_portal_maintainers.

AWB tips

I've started an AWB tips page, for those of you feeling a bit overwhelmed by that power user tool. Feel free to add to it and/or improve it.

Portal automation

We have some very talented Lua programmers, who are pushing the limits of what we can do in gathering data from Wikipedia's various namespaces and presenting it in portals. Due to their efforts, Lua is powering the selective transclusion core of our emerging automated portal design, in the form of selected article sections that rotate content, and slideshows.

To go beyond Lua's limits, to take full advantage of Mediawiki's API, we are in the midst of adding another programming language to the resources we shall be making use of: JavaScript. The ways that JavaScript can help us edit portals to boost the power of our Lua solutions, are being explored, which will likely make the two languages synergistic if not symbiotic. Research is under way on how we can use JavaScript to make some of the portal semi-automated features fully automatically self-updating, in ways that Lua cannot. Like gathering random members from a category and inserting them into a portal's templates as parameters. Once the parameters are in place, Lua does the rest.

If you would like to get involved with design efforts, or just keep up on them, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design.

When should we start building new portals?

Well, not at the present time, because building portals is quite time consuming. The good news is that we are working on a design that will be fully automated, or as close to that as we can get. And the new design is being implemented in the portal department's main portal creation template. This means, that not only will portals update themselves, their creation will be highly automated as well. That's the nature of templates. You put them in place, and they just... work.

What I'm getting at here, is that it would be better to wait to build lots of new portals until after the new design is completed. Because with it, instead of taking hours to create a new portal, it will likely take minutes.

That does not mean we should be idle in the meantime. The main reason most of us are here is because it became apparent that portals were largely unmaintained and had grown out-of-date. This had become so apparent that a proposal was made to delete all the portals and the portal namespace to boot. That makes our main objective in the short term to improve all the existing portals so that the community will want to keep them—forever.

Building lots of new portals comes later. Let's fix up the ones we have first. ;)

And on that note, I bid you adieu. Until next newsletter, see ya 'round the WikiProject.    — The Transhumanist   12:30, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Finnusertop, greetings! I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to invite you to comment on this proposal I have submmitted at the Village Pump: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Request: Add_one_"show_all"_button_to expand_at_once_all_collapsible_lists_inside_a_template. Thank you, ( talk) user:Al83tito 16.50, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

We have 97 participants.

Getting faster

Automation makes things go faster, even portal creation. One of the components Certes made was {{ Transclude list item excerpt}}. I became curious about its possible applications.

So I worked out a portal design using it, the initial prototypes being Portal:Kyoto (without a "Selected pictures" section), and Portal:Dubai (with a "Selected pictures" section). Then I used Portal:Dubai as the basis for further portals of this type...

I was able to revamp Portal:Munich from start to finish in less than 22 minutes.

Portal:Dresden took about 19 minutes.

Portal:Athens took less than 17 minutes.

Did Portal:Florence in about 13 minutes.

Portal:Stockholm also in about 13.

Portal:Palermo approx. 12 minutes.

Why?

To see, and to show, what may become feasible via automation.

It now looks highly feasible that we could get portal construction time down to a few minutes, or maybe even down to a few seconds.

The singularity is just around the corner. :)

Slideshows

When using the {{ Random slideshow}} template to display pictures, be sure to use the plural tense in the section title: "Selected pictures". That's because slideshows don't show up on many mobile devices. Instead the whole set of pictures is shown, hence the section title "Selected pictures", as it fits both situations.

In case you are curious, here is a list of the portals so far that have a slideshow:

Progress on intro conversions

The intros for most of the portals up through the letter "O" have been converted, using this wikicode:

{{/box-header|Introduction|noedit=yes|}}
{{Transclude lead excerpt | {{PAGENAME}} | paragraphs=1-2 | files=1}}
{{Box-footer|[[{{PAGENAME}}|Read more...]]}}

Where the pagename didn't match the article title for the subject, the title was typed in.

Most of the portals that do not contain {{/intro}} or {{{{FULLPGENAME}}/Intro}} have not yet been processed.

About a thousand portals use the method of selective transclusion for the intro section. That's about two-thirds. That means we have one-third of the way to go on the intro section conversions.

Much more to come...

So much has been happening with portals that I can't keep up with it. (That's good). Which means, more in the upcoming issue. Until then, see ya 'round the project. Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   08:45, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

I got overwhelmed IRL (in real life) during the production of issue #12. So, here is a catch-up issue, to help bring you (and me) up to speed on what is happening with portals...

By the way, we still have 97 participants. (Tell all your friends about this WikiProject, and have them join!)

Panoramas!

One cool feature of some of the geographical portals is a panoramic picture at the top of the intro section.

Check these out:

• Portal:Kyoto
• Portal:Miami
• Portal:Seattle
• Portal:Houston
• Portal:Tokyo
• Portal:New Orleans
• Portal:Brisbane
• Portal:Calgary
• Portal:Moscow

The Portals WikiGnome squadron is busy adding panoramas to geographical portals that don't yet have one. Feel free to join in on the fun. See task details at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Add a panorama or skyline to a geographic portal.

Caveat: avoid super-huge pics, as they can cause portal scripts to time-out. Please try to keep picture size down below 2 megabytes. Thank you.

Auto-populated slideshows

Speaking of pictures...

We now have two slideshow templates. You may be familiar with {{ Random slideshow}}, in which the editor types in (or copies/pastes) a list of pictures he or she wants it to display.

Well, now we have another template, courtesy of Evad37, which accepts one or more page names instead, and displays a random image off of the listed pages. So instead of listing dozens of files by hand, you can include a title or three to be scanned automatically. It even lets you specify particular sections.

The new slideshow template is {{ Transclude files as random slideshow}}.

Here's a sample, that grabs images from a single page:

New Template:Box-header colour

Speaking of new templates, here's another one!

Also from Evad37, we have a new component for starting section boxes, that is color configurable, and that bypasses the need for box-header subpages altogether. It is {{ Box-header colour}}.

For color support, see Web colors.

For the discussion in which this was inspired, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Tasks#Colour combinations for accessibility.

(In case you didn't notice, the slideshow box above uses this new template).

BTW, don't forget to close your box with {{ Box-footer}}.

Where are we on the redesign?

The answer to this question is quite involved, and would fill this page to overflowing. Therefore, this subject, including a complete update on where we are at and where we are going with portal design, is covered at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design.

Where are we on portal conversion?

An AWB pass to convert intros on the portals has been completed. The pass couldn't convert them all (due to various formatting configurations, etc.).

All but about 170 portals now have introductions selectively transcluded on the base page. Not counting manually maintained portals, that leaves about 70 portals that either need their intros converted, or they need an intro.

Next, we'll be converting the categories sections!

What's the plan, man?

The course of action we have been taking goes something like this, with all steps being pursued simultaeneously...

1) Design a one-page automated portal model

2) Convert existing portals to that design (except those being manually maintained)

3) Remove subpages no longer needed

4) Develop further tools to empower editors working on portals

Later, when the tools are up to the task, filling in the gaps in coverage (with new portals) will also become practical.

Are we caught up yet?

Probably not.

Who knows what our programmers and editors have dreamed up while I was writing this.

See ya again soon,    — The Transhumanist   11:06, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Development of design continues, full speed ahead...

Excerpt slideshows are here!

Can you say " paradigm shift"?

Now, in addition to picture slideshows, we have slideshows that can display excerpts. Portals are not just for topic tasting anymore. Now they can be made useful for surveying Wikipedia's coverage of entire subjects. This gives a deeper meaning to their name. Hmmm. "Portals"... Doorways to knowledge.

Portal:Lithuania was redesigned using excerpt slideshows. Check it out.

For those of you who cannot wait to test out these new toys...

We have not one, but three excerpt slideshow components to pick from:

{{ Transclude excerpts as random slideshow}}

For this one, you specify the page names where the excerpts are to be extracted from.

{{ Transclude list item excerpts as random slideshow}}

This one accepts source pages from where the page names are gathered from list items. Then an excerpt from one of those pages is displayed. The selection of what is included in the slide show can be limited to a specific number from the collection (of the page names gathered), and that selection is renewed from scratch each time the page is purged.

For example, if you specify Template:World Heritage Sites in Spain as a source page, the slideshow will cycle through those sites. Now you don't have to type them in one-by-one. This greatly reduces portal creation time.

{{ Transclude linked excerpts as random slideshow}}

Same as above, but gathers links instead of just linked list items.

Panoramic banners

{{ Portal image banner}} displays a panoramic picture the width of the page, and adjusts its size, so it stays that way even if the user changes page view size. And it accepts multiple file names, so that the picture displayed randomizes between them each time the page is visited/purged.

Give resizing the page a try:

You can now balance section boxes

Before:

After:

Notice how the box bottoms line up. That readjusts even if you click the slideshow buttons.

The template used for this is {{ Flex columns}}.

By the way, when you include more than one box in a column, any left over whitespace in that column is divided between them.

Box-header colour

You may have noticed the new {{ Box-header colour}} template used above. It lets you pick the color locally (right on the same page). Before, this was handled on a subpage somewhere.

Testing, testing

Now that we have lots of toys to play with for making cool portals...

Don't forget, that the majority of views of Wikipedia these days are from mobile devices. We need to make certain that portals display well on those. So, remember to check your work on portals in mobile view mode...

To see a portal in mobile view mode, insert a ".m" into a portal's url, after "en", like this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Reptile

If you discover problems in a portal you can't fix, report them on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design.

Until next time...

Have fun.    — The Transhumanist   00:58, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

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Now that we have lots of toys to play with, it's play time!

Here are some fun activities to use our new toys on...

Fun activity #1: put the improved panorama template to use

Would you like to travel around the world? Well, this may be the next best thing...

Here's another fun toy to play with: {{ Portal image banner}}

To see what it looks like, check out the panoramas at the tops of the following portals:

• Portal:India
• Portal:Melbourne
• Portal:Perth
• Portal:Monaco
• Portal:South Sudan
• Portal:Thiruvananthapuram
• Portal:Lithuania
• Portal:Brisbane
• Portal:Abu Dhabi
• Portal:Athens
• Portal:Barcelona
• Portal:Calgary
• Portal:Dhaka
• Portal:Dresden
• Portal:Edinburgh
• Portal:Florence
• Portal:Houston
• Portal:Miami
• Portal:Milan
• Portal:Moscow
• Portal:Munich
• Portal:Seattle
• Portal:Stockholm
• Portal:Turin
• Portal:Bermuda

The task: There are many geography portals that lack panoramas. Please add some. Please keep the file size down below 2 megabytes, and keep in mind that you may find quality banners at commons: at less than 200K (.2 megabytes). Good search terms to include with the place name are "banner", "cityscape", "skyline", "panorama", "landscape", etc.

Related task: There are also lots of geography portals that have panoramas used as gaudy banners (with print or icons splattered across them) or that display them in some random location on the page. In many cases, those pages would be improved by displaying the panorama as a clean picture at the top of the intro section, like on the examples above. This works best with banner-like panoramas. Please fix such pages when you come across them, if you believe it would improve the look of the page.

Taller images might be better suited displayed further down the page, or in the "Selected images" section.

Note that {{ Portal image banner}} supports multiple images, and displays one at random upon the first visit, and each time the page is purged.

Fun activity #2: install "Selected images" sections

That is, image slideshows!

Over 200 have been installed so far. Just 1200 to go. (Be sure not to install them on portals with active maintainers, unless they want you to).

The title "Selected images" reflects the fact that not all images on Wikipedia are pictures, and encompasses maps, graphs, diagrams, sketches, paintings, pictures, and so on.

The toys we have to work with for this are:

{{ Random slideshow}}

and

{{ Transclude files as random slideshow}}

The task: Using one of the above templates directly on a portal's base page, replace static "Selected picture" sections, with a section like one of these:

The one on the left uses {{ Random slideshow}} (which accepts file names), and the one on the right uses {{ Transclude files as random slideshow}} (which accepts source pages from which the filenames are gathered).

The above section formatting is used on many of the pages you will come across, but not all. In those cases, use whatever section formatting matches the rest of the page.

Note that you may come across "Selected picture" sections done with {{ Random portal component}} templates. That template call is the entire section. Replace it with a section that matches the other sections on the page, and put the new slideshow inside that.

For example, in Portal:California, this code:

{{Random portal component|max=21|seed=27|header=Selected picture|subpage=Selected picture}}

was replaced with this code:

{{/box-header|Selected images|noedit=yes}}
{{Transclude files as random slideshow
| {{PAGENAME}}
| Culture of {{PAGENAME}}
}}
{{Box-footer}}

And the new section blended right in with the formatting of the rest of the page. Note the use of the {{PAGENAME}} magic word. Plain article titles also work. Don't feel limited to one or two page names. But be sure to test each slideshow before installing the next one. (Or if you prefer, in batches - just don't leave them hanging). Report technical problems at the Portal design talk page.

Fun activity #3: upgrade "Selected article" sections

These sections, where unmaintained, have gone stale. That's because 1) the excerpts are static, having been manually copied and pasted, and 2) because they lack automatic addition of new entries.

They can be upgraded with:

{{ Transclude random excerpt}}

or

{{ Transclude list item excerpt}}

or

{{ Transclude linked excerpt}}

All three of these will provide excerpts that won't go stale. The latter two can provide excerpt collections that won't go stale, by providing new entries over time. The key is to select source pages or source sections that are frequently updated, such as root article sections, mainstream lists, or navigation templates.

Where will this put us?

When the above tasks are completed for the entire collection of portals (except the ones with specific maintainers), we'll be more than half-way done with the portal system upgrade.

Keep up the great work.    — The Transhumanist   19:11, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

		The North Korea Barnstar of National Merit
		Finnusertop, for your indefatigable contributions covering the DPR of K, it is my pleasure to award to you this North Korea Barnstar of National Merit. P.S: This is the first barnstar I am ever awarding, and it is to you! Best, ( talk) user:Al83tito 23:30, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Al83tito! I am honoured and humbled! –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 04:54, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Finnusertop. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, " Merited Artist of North Korea".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Hhkohh ( talk) 14:56, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Finnusertop. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, " Military Foundation Day".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Hhkohh ( talk) 02:05, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Future portal tool

Discussions are underway on the design of a portal tool (user script) that will hopefully have features for modifying portals at the click of a menu item, to make editing them easier. It might do things like change the color for you, add to a selection, add a new section, move a section, and so on.

If you'd like to be involved and suggest features for the tool, please join us at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design#What would you want a portal tool to be able to do?.

Progress report: upgrade of portals

As new portal components are built by our Lua gurus, those components are being used to upgrade portals. Each component automates a section of a portal in a particular way.

The sections that are mostly upgraded so far are the Intro, and the Associated Wikimedia section.

The sections currently undergoing upgrade are: Selected image, Categories, and the Intro.

The Intro? Isn't that done already?

Yes, and no.

The upgrade of the excerpt in intros is mostly complete (there are about 70 non-standard portals that still need it).

Now we are doing another upgrade of intros in the form of adding a panoramic picture at the top of the intro, on portals for which such a picture is available on Commons:. Dozens of panoramas have been added so far, and they are really starting to affect the look of portals — the portals that have them look really good.

Regions are the most likely subjects to have panoramas, but a surprising number of other subjects have banner-shaped pictures too. Some examples of non-geographic portals that they have been added to are:

• Portal:Underwater diving
• Portal:Sharks
• Portal:Reptiles
• Portal:Meat
• Portal:Cheese
• Portal:Cereals
• Portal:Tea
• Portal:Milk
• Portal:Wheat
• Portal:Rice
• Portal:Clothing

Speaking of pictures, several hundred Selected image sections have been upgraded to include image slideshows.

Progress report: design

The push for automation continues, with new components under continuous testing in the field. As problems are spotted, they are reported to our programmers, who have done a fantastic job of keeping up with bug reports and fixing the relevant Lua modules fast. I am highly impressed.

Construction time on new portals is now down to as little as a minute or less. Though not in general. If you are lucky enough to spot portals that fit the profile of the new tools (their strengths), then a portal can be complete almost as soon as it is created, with the added time it takes to find and add a panorama. Source page titles are not generally standardized, and so it source pages in many cases must be entered manually. Where source page titles follow a standard naming convention, portal creation for those subjects goes quickly.

So, we still have some hurdles, but the outlook on portals is very good. New features, and many improvements to features are on the horizon. I'll be sure to report them when they become available.

What will the portal of the future look like? That is up to you!

See you on the project's talk pages.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   21:04, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

This issue is about portal creation...

Creating new portals

Myself and others have been testing and experimenting with the new components in upgrading existing portals and in building new portals. They have now been applied in hundreds of portals.

The templates are ready for general use for portal creation.

They are still a bit buggy, but the only way we are going to work the rest of the bugs out is by using them and reporting the bugs as we come across them.

I look forward to seeing what new portals you create!

Be sure to report bugs at WT:WPPORTD.

The main portal creation template is {{ box portal skeleton}}.

Portal creation tips

After starting a portal using {{ box portal skeleton}}...

1. Placing a panorama (banner picture) at the top of the intro section is a nice touch, and really makes a portal look good. {{ box portal skeleton}} doesn't automatically insert panoramas. So, you will need to do that by hand. They can be found at Commons:. For some examples, check out Portal:Sharks, Portal:Cheese, and Portal:Florence
2. The search term provided in the Did you know? and In the news sections is very basic and rarely matches anything. It is best to replace that term with multiple search arguments, if possible (separate each argument with a pipe character). For example, in Portal:Capital punishment, see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Portal:Capital_punishment&diff=855255361&oldid=855137403 Searches in templates use Lua search notation.
3. Check the In the news and Did you know? sections for mismatches. That is, sometimes entries come up that shouldn't be displayed. If there are any, refine the search strings further, so they don't return such results.
4. Finish each portal you've created before creating a new one. We don't want unfinished portals sitting around.

Need a laugh?

Check out the Did you know? section on Portal:Determinism.    — The Transhumanist   02:21, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Finnusertop, greetings! I would like to invite you to evaluate the inclusion of an image in the article Unconverted long-term prisoners . please see file discussion here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2018_August_22 . Thank you.( talk) user:Al83tito 04:06, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I have replied there. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 20:43, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

There is an ongoing discussion on whether to delete User:Piotrus/South Korean scandals, which contains copyright violations, at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Piotrus/South Korean scandals (2nd nomination). Since I see you were involved in the previous MfD, your input would be appreciated. Thank you. Nardog ( talk) 04:00, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

JucheCapitalist made an article based on their um... look I'm not good at using neutral language so can we just call it weirdness? Anyhow, I figure you would either know what to do or could contact someone who does. Comrade GC ( talk) 01:18, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know, Comrade GC. I've PRODed the article, but I have a feeling it takes ANI to end this weirdness. I think there's plenty of rope already. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 01:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Precious

Four years!

-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:48, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, as always! –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 22:01, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Finnusertop. Just letting you know as a courtesy that the article was deprodded by another editor. If you still feel that it should be deleted, you can bring it to AfD. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 12:18, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Done, Marchjuly. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 14:41, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi,

I see you are quite an expert on North Korean topics and you are uploading photos of various prominent politicians. Can you upload a portrait of Kim Yong-ju? I think it will improve the quality of the page (and he's a very interesting historical person, the first dauphine). Thank you, -- Folengo ( talk) 14:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Folengo! I've been focusing on politicians who are dead, because that's the easy case (they don't have to bee freely licensed, see WP:NFCI§10). Since Kim Yong-ju is alive, I'd have to secure a freely licensed or public domain image. Since there is no free content movement in North Korea (people don't run around snapping photos for Wikipedia articles), the only option is images in the public domain due to age. Now that basically means childhood images, which are hard to come by and harder to verify in terms of publication history. But I'll check since it's not categorically impossible. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 16:54, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I did not know! Well, let's waith for his death. Thanks anyway. -- 79.24.121.165 ( talk) 17:16, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Bug hunt!

As you know, portals are now supported by a number of new templates, which are in turn supported by some new Lua modules.

Those templates and modules are being put to the test, in the new portals that have been created since this WikiProject rebooted, plus a number of existing portals that have been revamped.

The new portals, and revamped ones, can be found at Category:Single-page portals.

Please browse the new portals at your leisure, and report any and all problems that you spot. Post bug and other portal problem reports at WT:WPPORTD. Please report bugs, quirks, awkward aspects, or anything weird or off that you notice. Compliments and suggestions are also welcome. :)

When you report a bug, please indicate the portal's name, the section that the problem appeared in, and the name of the article appearing (first) in the section with the problem. Most problems will likely be encountered in the Selected general articles" section, due to quirks in a displayed article's wikicode that the lua modules don't handle yet. Your help in spotting those is of utmost value. Thank you.

Don't delete portal subpages just yet

For portals that have been converted to the single-page design, we are not deleting their subpages at this time, because we are working on ways to harvest the data from those pages. For example, the Selected picture subpages include filenames and captions that would be valuable for the image slideshows. Please don't delete portal subpages, for now. They'll be slated for d-batch speedy deletion after harvesting. Thank you.

Development notes

We are currently testing a feature added to {{ Transclude files as random slideshow}} that allows it to accept both sourcepages and filenames. Courtesy of Evad37. This will pave the way for harvesting files and their captions from portal subpages, for use in image slideshows.

We need your help

The bulk of the work is being done by a handful of editors. But we can't do it all. We need help with spotting bugs, refining the search parameters in new/revamped portals (in the "Did you know..." and "In the news" sections), adding images to slideshows for a broader selection (they default to showing the images on the root article page but are capable of showing so much more), adding panoramic pictures at the top of the intro section of region portals (cities, counties, states, provinces, countries, continents, and other regions), to name but a few task types.

It is rewarding to be a part of the growing portal phenomenon. And you get to see its expansion and refinement up close.

Feel free to join in on the fun. ;)

Thank you,    — The Transhumanist   06:50, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Recently you claimed that in my edit to the page 'Menachem Mendel Schneerson' there was 'Incorrect information' I however disagree. I personally am a meshichist and believe that he is in fact still alive. Considering that the only people who would really be looking up Menachem Mendel Schneerson on wikipedia are, like me, meshichists I think it is only suitable that the page about him should have information that goes according to their beliefs. I have a link to another wikipedia page ( /info/en/?search=Chabad_messianism) which I suggest that you read. I do hope that you take this into account and possible revert it back to how it should be. From Joelifer1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joelifer1 ( talk • contribs) 20:34, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Joelifer1, and thanks for dropping by. All information on Wikipedia is to be based on published reliable sources. That categorically rules out personal belief as a source of information.

All Wikipedia articles are written form a neutral point of view to an audience that potentially involves everyone. That is to say, religious topics are not written from believers to believers and thus don't necessarily conform with their religious dogma. All that matters is what reliable sources say.

Now, that doesn't mean that beliefs are unimportant. They are hugely important for religious topics and that's why these articles should also report how scholars have summarized beliefs of adherents. That's why the article, in addition to stating the date of death reported in reliable sources also says "Many of his adherents refused to believe that he died on June 12, 1994, believing instead that he did not really die but will reveal himself to be the messiah." (although, I note, this still needs a citation). –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 20:46, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello F. I'm sure that I have upset you and I can only offer my apologies. I was in the middle of a batch of editing that I was trying to finish before heading out to run errands. I now remember your post on that Icelandic team page. I know those tables are problematic. My suggestion is to go to the projects involved and/or to the creators of the tables and see if you can explain the problem to them. Now I know that some (many?) projects have become inactive so you might try one of the village pumps if there is no response from the projects. If this post is just making things worse please feel free to remove it. In any event best regards to you. MarnetteD| Talk 19:38, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Upset? Not at all; I'm glad to hear from you, MarnetteD! Actually, if you look at the history, I missed these "refs" at first and initially mistagged the article as well.

As for the actual problem at hand, I don't know what to do. These sports projects can be difficult to turn around. The sports projects are very much active and unfortunately something of a walled garden with rules of their own. But I don't intend to mass tag articles to no avail like this, either (just happened to come by this particular one), to enforce what are acceptable citation methods Wikipedia-wide. What I think I'm going to do is gather some concrete evidence where links have gone dead and "[1]", "Report" or "Example.com" is simply not enough metadata to find a replacement. I swear I've seen a Featured List with permanent deadlinks because of bare citations like this (though I recall it was related to some election, not sports). I don't think it's tolerable, but I also think it should be dealth with something that actually compromises verifiability, not a minor style issue. All the best to you! –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 19:52, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your message F. Since the urls are on a line labelled "source" I wonder if a bot could be programmed to add the cite templates. I have no idea how involved that would be so I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility. Best of luck to you in getting this thorny - knotty - and any other wood related metaphors that apply - problem fixed :-) MarnetteD| Talk 21:09, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Why did my file Subpoena usgs.jpg was nominated for deletion? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Subpoena_usgs.jpg It is This file is a work of a United States federal court judge or magistrate judge, taken or made as part of that person's official duties. As a work of the United States Federal Government, the file is in the public domain in the United States. Innab ( talk) 04:12, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

It's no longer under deletion, Innab, and has the right tag. Back then it was incorrectly tagged "Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported" and the source website specified yet another license "Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0." I flagged it because of this conflict, but the correct action was taken by specifying that the file is indeed in the public domain. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 10:48, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Moi! User:Finnusertop/Hietamäki Chapel per WP:DUD. Nähdään, Sam Sailor 21:19, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi! Draft or user draft, I don't mind. I appreciate the gesture. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 23:14, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Food Diary. Since you had some involvement with the Food Diary redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 18:40, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Portals progress report

Don't blink. You might miss something.

As of a few days ago, portals had doubled in about a month and a half.

Also, there were 98 incompleted portals in Category:Portals under construction. Now there are just 43.

The WikiProject page has been thoroughly revised

The goals, plans, and task sections have all been updated.

Orphaned portals need a home...

Many new portals are still orphans, and need links pointing to them:

1. A portal link at the bottom of corresponding navigation footer template. E.g., Template:Machines for Portal:Machines. See examples of a portals link at the bottom of Template:Robotics and Template:Forestry.
2. A {{ Portal}} box in the See also section of the corresponding root article for each portal. If there is no See also section, create one and place the portal template in that. (Rather than placing them in an external links section -- they're not external links).
3. A {{ Portal}} template placed at the top of the category page corresponding to each portal.

All new and revamped portals can be found at Category:Single-page portals.

Portal:Contents/Portals

This is the main list of portals.

Nearly 2,000 of the new portals need to be listed here.

They can be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet. Instructions are included there.

Customized Portal Rating system is now in place

Portals now have a new rating system of their own designed specifically to support portal evaluation! We were trying to use the standard assessment system for articles, but that doesn't fit portals very well.

Many thanks to Evad37, Waggers, AfroThundr3007730, SMcCandlish, Tom, BrendonTheWizard, and Pbsouthwood for their work and input on this.

The new system can be found at the top of all portal talk pages, in the WikiProject portals box. Those with "???" ratings need to be assessed, which makes up most of the older portals.

Most of the new portals were started out with an initial "Low" level of importance when their talk pages were created. Those deserving higher importance should be promoted as you come across them.

Improving the new portals

The starting point for new portals included minimal parameters and content, in the form of default values in the template(s) used for their creation.

Embellishing embedded search strings

So, for the search strings in the "Did you know..." and "In the news" sections, this was the magic word {{PAGENAME}}, which represents the portal's name. Unfortunately, the resulting term is alway capitalized, which limits its effectiveness as a search string for anything but proper nouns. Results for those two sections can be improved, by replacing the "PAGENAME" magic word with multiple search strings, and search strings that begin with lower case letters. There is no inherent limit as to how many search parameters may be included. Lua search notation is used. The more general the subject, the more subtopic search terms you may want to include. For example, on Portal:Avengers (comics), {{PAGENAME}} turned up nothing. But, when more parameters were added, as in the wikicode below...

{{Transclude selected recent additions | {{PAGENAME}} | Iron Man | Spiderman | Antman | Hawkeye | The Hulk | Incredible Hulk | David Banner | Captain America | Scarlet Witch | Black Widow | Tony Stark | Nick Fury | Age of Ultron | Infinity War | months=36 | header={{Box-header colour|Did you know... }}|max=6}}

... that returned several results in the portal's DYK section.

Be sure you make the improvements to both the DYK section and the "In the news" section, as they both require the search strings.

Expanding the slideshow contents

The default starting selection for the image slideshow in most new portals is whatever images happen to be in the corresponding root article (via the PAGENAME magic word). You can improve image slideshows by adding more sourcepages and filenames as parameters in the "Selected images" section of portals.

See Template:Transclude files as random slideshow/doc for instructions.

More exciting things are to come...

Portals used to take about 6 hours or more to create. Now, for subjects that have particular navigation support, we've got that down to about one minute each, with even more content displayed than ever. True, that means the new portals pick you, rather than the other way around. Creating a specific portal that doesn't happen to have the requisite navigation support is still pretty time consuming. But, we are working on extending our reach beyond the low-hanging fruit.

And efforts are ongoing to keep shaving time off of the creation process. Eventually, we may get it down to seconds each.

In addition to improving automation, we're always looking for new features and improvements that we can add to portals, and there is plenty of potential to expand on the standard design so that new portals are even better right out of the starting gate. Additional designs are also possible.

On the horizon, there are many more portals waiting to be created. And we can expect to see at least a few more section types emerge. I never expected slideshows, for example, especially not for excerpts. Who knows where innovation will take us next?

Keep up the great work everyone.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   07:06, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

You are active at FFD.

Perhaps you could assist in reducing the number of files without sourcing ?

I have two queries on Quarry :- https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/29813 https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/29748

which list sources where a source isn't 'machine readable'. Most probably are sourced, but it would be nice to have those standardised, and those genuinely without sources deleted. ShakespeareFan00 ( talk) 14:14, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I'll take a look, but it frankly sounds like a very boring task. And as you say, most of these are not unsourced so the problem is with metadata and not copyrights, so it's not a top priority. We should also move to Commons the ones we can, delete duplicates, and let them worry about it. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 02:34, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

As someone who edited Asian Americans in the past two weeks, I invite you to participate in a discussion about some recent edits. Specifically, there is a question about whether to include South Asian ethnicities in the discussion about Asian Americans. -- Ishu ( talk) 04:46, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey! It's been awhile. Sorry to drop in suddenly, but I had (what I think should be) a project for you. I am presently writing an article for Sallinen's Fifth Symphony (1985), and plan to do so for his Third Symphony (1975) as well. I wanted to note the Finnish premieres of both, but am having trouble finding this information in English-language sources. Any chance you could help? Surely Finnish newspapers of the period would have covered the premieres. Thanks! Sgvrfjs ( talk) 23:27, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey! Long time no see, Sgvrfjs! I'll definitely help you out. I'll check online and newspapers tomorrow and will make a trip to the library if need be. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 23:50, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks a ton! It's good to be back, if only for a brief spell. I made an error. I indeed HAVE the Finnish premiere of the Third Symphony, since it was commissioned by Okko Kamu and the Finnish Broadcasting Corporation (premiered 8 April 1975. What I meant to say was I need, please: 1) The Finnish premiere [date, conductor, orchestra] of the Fifth Symphony (should be somewhere between Oct. 1985 - 1987); and, 2) The Finnish premiere [date, conductor, orchestra] of the tone poem Shadows (should be somewhere around 1982). Each of these pieces was commissioned by the NSO in Washington, D.C., and so the world premieres were not in Finland but rather in the US. Thanks! 02:48, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Sgvrfjs Update: I didn't find anything online, and my trip to the library was without success. I'll visit another library soon. They have the catalogue of Sallinen's work and some other books. –  Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 10:06, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

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Whew, a lot has been happening.

A bit of defending of the portals has been needed. But, most activity recently has been directed upon maintenance and development of existing portals.

The majority of portals now use the new design, about 2400 of them, leaving around 1200 portals that still employ the old style.

Newest portals

Please inspect these portals, and report problems or suggest improvements at WT:WPPORTD. Thank you.

MfDs

Since the last issue of this newsletter, Nineteen portals were nominated for deletion. All posted by the same person.

Two portals were deleted.

One resolved as "no consensus".

Sixteen resolved as "keep".

Links to the archived discussions are provided below:

1. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Air France
2. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Alexander Korda
3. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:August Derleth
4. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Average White Band
5. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bee-eaters
6. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Ben E. King
7. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Benny Goodman
8. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bill Bryson
9. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Billy Idol
10. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Billy Ocean
11. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bob Hope
12. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bobbie Rosenfeld Award
13. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Body piercing
14. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Canton, Michigan
15. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Compostela Group of Universities
16. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Diplo
17. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Diversity of fish
18. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Pebble Beach
19. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Peter, Paul and Mary

Many thanks to those who participated in the discussions.

To watch for future MfD's, keep in mind that the Portals WikiProject is supported by automatic alerts. You can see them at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Article alerts: portals for deletion at MfD

Creation criteria

There was also some discussion of creation criteria for portals. The result was that one of the participants in the discussion reverted the portal guidelines to the old version, which has the minimum number of articles for a portal included in there: "about 20 articles", a guideline that was in place since 2009.

Many of the portals that existed prior to April 2018 do not have that many (being limited to however many subpages the portal creator created), and therefore, these portals need to be upgraded to the new design (which automatically provides many articles for display). Using the new design, exceeding 20 articles for display is very easy.

Linking to the new portals

Efforts have been underway to place links to new portals (all 2200 of them created since April).

1. Link (portal button) from corresponding category pages.  Done
2. Link from See also section on corresponding root articles. Partially implemented
3. Link from bottom of corresponding templates. Partially implemented
4. Link for each portal on Portal:Contents/Portals. Partially implemented

Your help is needed. It is easy to access the page mentioned in #1, #2, & #3 from the portals themselves.

AWBers could do these tasks even faster (that's how the category pages were done), except #4...

Item #4 above pretty much has to be done by hand. (If you can find a way to speed that up, I would be very impressed). The links needing placement can be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet. Instructions are included there.

The conversion effort: news sections

There are still around 1200 old-style portals that have only undergone partial conversion to the new design concepts, still relying on subpages with copied/pasted excerpts that have been going stale for years, out of date (manually posted) news entries, etc.

The section currently being tackled on these is news. You can help by deleting any news section on the old-style portals that has news entries that are years old (that is the dead giveaway to a manual news section). Be sure not to delete the news sections of portals that have up-to-date news, or active maintainers. For maintainers, look at the portal's categories, and/or check the participants list at WP:WPPORT.

Eventually, conditional news sections (that appear only when news items are available for display) will be added using AWB to all portals without a news section.

News items (and even the news sections themselves) are automatically generated for portals that were created using the Basic portal start page. On those portals, there is a hidden comment at the top of the page (that you can see in the edit window), that says this:

<!-- This portal was created using subst:Basic portal start page -->

Design development

Presently, we are in the process of implementing the new design features, creating new portals with them, and installing them in existing portals.

But, what about development of new new design features?

We have a wish department.

Post your wishes at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design#Discussions about possible cool new features, and they might come true. Many have already, and for many of those, this is where they were posted.

Cascade effect

A resource that has been elusive so far will be obtained eventually: categories. That is, the ability to pull category member links to populate a page.

Rather than populate portals directly with such links, it may be more beneficial to the encyclopedia to utilize them in navigation footers, because portals already have the ability to generate themselves based on those.

So, this would create a cascade effect: auto-gathering entries from categories, would enable the construction of new navigation footers, that would in turn support the development of new portals.

The cascade effect would also be felt by existing portals, as existing navigation footers could be expanded using the category harvesting methods, which would in turn expand the coverage of portals that access those navigation footers.

You can help by providing leads about any potential category harvesting methods. Please report anything you know about harvesting categories at WT:WPPORTD. Thank you.

Looking into the future: the quantum portal?

One idea that has been floating around is the concept of a pageless portal. That is, a portal that isn't stored anywhere, instead being generated when you click on a menu item or button.

Many of the new portals were generated by a single click, and then saved via a second click.

Therefore, it seems likely that the portals of the future will employ the one-click concept.

Because of the need for customization by users, this concept would need to be augmented with a way to integrate user contributions. This could be done in at least two ways: posting an existing portal, autogenerating one from scratch if such does not yet exist, or have a special data page for user contributions that is folded into the auto-generated portal.

How soon? That is up to you. All that is needed are persons to implement it.

Until next time...

Keep up the good work on portals. They are improving daily. Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   04:18, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Military Foundation Day. Thanks! Legacypac ( talk) 02:50, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

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Portals have passed the 4,000 mark.

More new portals...

Here's a list of portals created since the last issue