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User:Othmas biaggio came in and in their first edits started censoring a bunch of articles, related to Serbian nationalism. I didn't notice them before and am involved in one case, but I did give them the standard sanctions warnings. Do you recognize this perhaps as repeat business? -- Joy ( talk) 13:17, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

• Hmm--well, they've been here since last year, so socking, while not impossible, is maybe less likely. I don't really recognize them, but so many nationalists sound exactly the same, and belligerence in that area is almost a given. Drmies ( talk) 21:27, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

|		...thinking it'll be fun this year!

• User:The Eloquent Peasant, dreamy, yes, but not me. Thanks for the card and happy holidays, if you're celebrating any. Drmies ( talk) 14:47, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
  • I wasn't sure what you meant by " fix" Doktoro. But this is how one corrects the markup error so that the whole of the rest of your user talk page doesn't become text in a table, an edit that will soon need to be made to User talk:The Eloquent Peasant. ☺ Uncle G ( talk) 21:02, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

2023 British Library cyberattack. If anyone is interested. Softlavender ( talk) 10:55, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

• One bizarre factoid that I discover upon looking this up is that there was a bus service that is no longer running. Bing Maps tells me that the places are 25km apart.
  • Spanoudi, Melina (2023-12-19). "British Library to restore access to main catalogue on 15th Jan after cyberattack outage". The Bookseller.
  • Spanoudi, Melina (2023-11-23). "'Some data leaked' after cyber-attack on The British Library". The Bookseller.
  • Harris, Gareth (2023-12-22). "As British Library faces fallout of cyber attack—what can arts bodies do to combat ransomware threats?". The Art Newspaper.
  • "The British Library cyber-attack and how it affects University of York students and staff". University of York. 2023-11-23.
• Can you imagine having a daily shuttle bus service to the LOC storage facility in Fort Meade and reader access, Doktoro? One could probably read those 91 Kentucky Geological Survey books. Or Nooe 2023 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFNooe2023 ( help). Uncle G ( talk) 22:09, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

• If ANYONE reading this post lives within 25km of the British Library, I've been seeking someone to go there and scan a microfilm for me for months. Here is the (second) WP:RX request I posted, which is going to be archived for staleness soon if no one answers my plea: WP:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request#Need a microfilm from St Pancras, London (British Library). -- Softlavender ( talk) 02:40, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

		Season's Greetings
		Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Nativity scene on the Pulpit in the Pisa Baptistery by Nicola Pisano is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod ( talk) 02:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

	Merry Christmas Drmies
	Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Wikipedia. May this Holiday Season bring you and yours nothing but joy, health and prosperity. Onel5969 TT me 15:44, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2024!

Hello Drmies, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2024. Happy editing, Jerium ( talk) 16:57, 24 December 2023 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{ subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Jerium ( talk) 16:57, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Drmies,

Sorry to interrupt the holiday cheer but I think I might have stumbled upon a sockpuppet of User:MBNO. User:Amzkw started editing on December 4th, like MBNO, and is also focused on substandard articles on Middle Eastern football teams like those from Yemen and the West Bank. I'm bringing this to you since you blocked MBNO but you also have CU goggles. Thanks for any help you can supply and happy holidays! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:31, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

And User:183.171.107.204 might be involved but they have already been blocked for disruptive editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

See Draft:West Bank Third League as an example of cooperation. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:43, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm on it Liz, while the muffins are rising, and Merry Christmas. Drmies ( talk) 15:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

OK, I blocked a few--doing rangeblocks is too much work now, because they're spread out pretty widely. But they're also pretty obvious. Drmies ( talk) 15:33, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

You spammed hoax templates on my sandboxes for no reason, their just for fun, there not hoaxes. SnowieLuna1212 ( talk) 17:13, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• Which is why they should be deleted. Drmies ( talk) 17:14, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
  • No. Their not hoaxes, their not even pages so how are they affecting you or anyone else. SnowieLuna1212 ( talk) 17:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
    • @ SnowieLuna1212 Didn't I unblock you under a condition that you would keep this micronation fanfict hoax stuff off Wikipedia? -- ferret ( talk) 17:16, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
      • Wait. This little mouse has a tail/tale? Drmies ( talk) 17:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
      • Atleast I am not making it a draft, I just do it for fun. SnowieLuna1212 ( talk) 17:17, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

        @ SnowieLuna1212 Then do it elsewhere. I'm tempted to reblock you now, but it's Christmas. -- ferret ( talk) 17:19, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

        Can you atleast undelete sandbox2 as that was a collection of Senyeras and not micronation related. SnowieLuna1212 ( talk) 17:22, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Offramp (album) TlonicChronic ( talk) 03:04, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I saw. That's total crap, and don't come back here. Drmies ( talk) 15:20, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Silly. An album or event features things. A quintet includes them. -- ferret ( talk) 17:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks ferret. It's like giving every participant a "you're the best" trophy. Did you get anything good from Santa? I got a "4th and 31" bumper sticker: as an Alabama fan you appreciate the joke, I'm sure! ;) Drmies ( talk) 17:17, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh I don't know anything about sportsball. My Barnes and Nobles gift card wouldn't work though :( -- ferret ( talk) 17:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

OK, here it is! ;) Drmies ( talk) 17:29, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2024!

Hello Drmies, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2024. Happy editing, NW1223< Howl at me• My hunts> 19:38, 25 December 2023 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{ subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

NW1223< Howl at me• My hunts> 19:38, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

You seem to have expertise on English, and I was wondering if you would be willing to answer a question on prepositions for me. (I'm the same guy you're annoyed with, I'm not trying to phish, I'm trying to break bread; I came across something on Wikipedia that confused me, and I was hoping someone could help me with parsing.) TlonicChronic ( talk) 18:36, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• You're trying to break bread? Wishing me "happy holidays" right after reverting me, yeah that was kind of shitty. And now there's a tread on a talk page, and a thread on the dispute resolution noticeboard, but you haven't pinged me for either one of them, and this is your fourth edit on my talk page after I asked you to stay away. Sure, go ahead and ask your question; apparently I am at your disposal. Drmies ( talk) 18:45, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry I'm struggling to convey sincerity to you. You seem to be interpreting me as sarcastic or insincere. I find that much easier to convey with tone of voice. If you won't engage on a neutral page or on your page, I need help. Until I get help, I'm trying my best.
  • I came across Fish out of water (disambiguation), and saw that "Out" was capitalized. I corrected "corrected" that, thinking I was right, and was reverted. I talked to the guy that did it, and he pointed me to MOS:5, which states "[capitalize] the first word in a compound preposition (e.g. Time Out of Mind)." I had never seen this rule anywhere before, (it felt lo me like a misunderstanding of "compound preposition", which is ambiguous, between "within" and "Out of", but the example was right there. I was taught to capitalize adpositions in compound verbs (nouns, etc.), but never when a short word acted as a preposition. I argued that on the page, and someone that seemed to have the authority and history said it was more or less a compromise (which he explained, but I don't think I can summarize it well enought here). I left it at that, but, I remain confused. TlonicChronic ( talk) 19:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
    • This has nothing to do with prepositions but titles of films, albums, and other products. The titles should, of course, match the article titles.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 19:09, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
      • that was decided against due to a Spider Man movie in which "From" was capitalized (so it was explained to me in the talk page by the mod). It is also against my read of MOS:5. TlonicChronic ( talk) 19:13, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
    • I suppose the explanation was simple: "Out" is usually an adverb, and we capitalize words that are usually not preposition. This seemed in conflict to me with the compound preposition explanation, so I was hoping you could clear it up. I know NYT always capitalized Out, and some others do too, I'm just not used to it TlonicChronic ( talk) 19:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
      • The good news is you can spell "troll" with a "t" or a "T", and everyone will understand what you mean.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 19:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
        • All you have to do is look at my edit history and you can tell I'm genuine. MOS states "assume good faith." TlonicChronic ( talk) 19:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
          • OK, that was fascinating. Bbb23, I appreciate your insights here, and I hope Santa brought you wonderful gifts--like a new Bama shirt, perhaps. Tlonic, I'm not doubting your sincerity; I am astounded at your...what is it? naivete? You edit war with me in a way that shows your ignorance of the basic meaning of words, you blatantly ignore my request for you to stay away from my talk page, and then you come back with some trivia that supposedly shows you breaking bread. You can't insult a person while wishing them happy holidays at the same time. You want to break bread? Apologize.
            There's more of this at Talk:Offramp (album): you claim that "everyone refuses to have this conversation in a neutral place", but you haven't told anyone you were attempting to discuss the matter there. And of course you're still wrong. You use "comprise" incorrectly, and if a song is "featured", it's made to stand out from the other ones. You cannot "feature" every single song on an album, just as you cannot "feature" every person in a group. Now goodbye. Drmies ( talk) 20:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
            • We stopped exchanging gifts a good long while ago. The good news is I don't have to go shopping for gifts; the bad new is I don't get any gifts. It was much better when I was a kid - my only role was to receive gifts. At least I didn't count them like Dudley.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 20:42, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
              • I was going to get you this, but I don't have $200 laying around. I don't even have em myself, and I thought my collection was near completion. Bbb, if you'd been married to me you'd have gotten a battery-operated vacuum cleaner this morning. Drmies ( talk) 20:48, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
                • How romantic! We already have a battery-operated vacuum. We use it to remove the cobwebs from our noses.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 20:55, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure why but Daxtonlab appears to be mass reverting edits of yours. ThaddeusSholto ( talk) 17:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Not anymore.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 17:25, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm sure there is a PERFECTLY RATIONALE explaination. -- ferret ( talk) 17:30, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Bbb23. Ferret, you ready for a cocktail too? Drmies ( talk) 22:39, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't drink but maybe an exception after today. Ringing in the end of the year with a few new emojis for the Discord server though. -- ferret ( talk) 22:53, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh good, another person who doesn't drink. Drmies keeps trying to corrupt me.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 22:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@ Bbb23 Admittedly, it's more a "cheap and lazy" stance than a philosophical one. To drink, I would have to buy something to drink. That sounds like going outside and spending money. I'm adverse to both. -- ferret ( talk) 23:13, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

You don't like going outside? Ever? Why? I can understand being cheap, but you gotta buy food and drink of some kind, although alcohol is more expensive than most non-alcoholic drinks...unless one buys designer drinks (I don't buy designer anything). Me, I don't drink mainly for health reasons, partly because I don't like the effects, and partly on moral grounds. It's possible to drink responsibly, of course, but so many people don't. I've also known too many people whose lives were ruined by alcohol. No doubt more than you wanted to know.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 23:21, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Well I go outside but not to public. I love walking around with my pets and stuff. It's more the peopleing. But largely I agree on alcohol. I don't tell people not to, but I see so few cases where its really helping them out... and such a slippery slope. -- ferret ( talk) 23:23, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I just seem to assume everyone drinks because Shane McGowan and I do. Well, did, in his case. Mrs. Drmies got some decent gin and I made dirty martinis with some tasty pickle juice. But then, I also made a chicken pot pie and I don't want to force that on anyone. Bbb, sorry, I'm not trying to push anything on you---although I do need you to not disrespect other people's hobbies, and I'm sending you a 4th and 31 bumper sticker, just like you saw on my Facebook page. Drmies ( talk) 01:06, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I cooked brisket for Christmas and it was wonderful. -- ferret ( talk) 01:28, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

( edit conflict) Oh, I do like chicken pot pie. Have you ever tried dipping pickles in gin? They probably did it in some old American movies. It's kind of a culture mix, but I hear kosher pickles are best.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 01:29, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

December songs

story · music

Today's story is about parts of my life. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:19, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Today, I managed to get the pics to snow (on 28 Nov), and heard a lovely concert, after listening to a miracle of meditative dreaming on 6 December (or just click on music). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:53, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I try to finish uploading images of 2023 before it ends, and reached 17 December. Happy to see Rebekka Habermas on the Main page. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:36, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Just wanted to drop a wee note, was part of a chat with the author of the above draft on IRC and they mentioned possibly putting a {{ db-g7}} tag on it. Your edits kind of muddy the waters some, so I just wanted to check and see if you were okay with it should the creator go ahead with the self-nom. (please do not ping on reply) Primefac ( talk) 16:43, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Huh, never mind; they've submitted the draft rather than nominated it for deletion. Prooooobably drops the likelihood of them G7'ing it now... Primefac ( talk) 17:53, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Took me a while to figure out what you meant with "muddy the waters", Primefac--but I think you mean this kind of edit takes away from the "only substantial content" being by the author? Drmies ( talk) 14:32, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

It's why I asked, some consider cleanup to not be "substantial edits", but I wasn't sure how you personally felt about them. What's interesting is that I just noticed articleinfo appears to not show removals of text (unrelated to the above, just a curiosity). Primefac ( talk) 15:01, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

That is interesting. No, I read your message before coffee and breakfast so it took me a while to process. Drmies ( talk) 16:35, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I've been in four time zones in as many days - I think yesterday's tea only hit me this morning! Primefac ( talk) 17:02, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

WHAT? Primefac, I thought I'd been busy, cleaning a drain and the stove. Holy moly! This sounds very exciting. Drmies ( talk) 18:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Drmies. It think this range may be too broad to block. It appears to be blocking a lot of innocent users on AT&T broadband. While it may be the case that there are some vandals within this /36 that are using a IPv6 ranges broader than a /64, everything I am seeing indicates fairly consistent /64 ranges for users.

For example, the vandal mentioned in this post on your talk page does use a variety of IPv6 addresses for those example edits, but they are all on the same /64 even though they are changing.

Similarly, the vandal based in Oconomowoc, Wisconsin using 107.217.40.7 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) also used multiple addresses in the IPv6 range 2600:1700:c3e0:50e0::/64 ( block range · block log ( global) · WHOIS (partial)). However, if you broaden the range to the /48, you start seeing unrelated users.

Since the block, these specific IPs have appealed:

Location	Talk page	Contributions for /64	Notes
Springfield, Ohio	2600:1700:C260:5CD0:D990:C211:BB72:BAA2	2600:1700:C260:5CD0::/64	no prior history, but more math than most appeals
El Cajon, California	2600:1700:C221:FA0:0:0:0:49	2600:1700:C221:FA0::/64	only one previous edit, same IPv6 over 30 months
Homer Glen, Illinois	2600:1700:C960:2270:5D08:5878:58AF:F6F0	2600:1700:C960:2270::/64	Chicago-area LTA that I recognize, same IPv6 /64 over 5 years
El Paso, Texas	2600:1700:C070:9EF0:25A7:1C00:E5F6:4BB4	2600:1700:C070:9EF0::/64	no prior history
Chicago, Illinois	2600:1700:C9C0:8B50:15FD:C8AA:752D:26CB	2600:1700:C9C0:8B50::/64	no prior history
Houston, Texas	2600:1700:C7C0:3100:A4AE:696A:4BA8:1BAC	2600:1700:C7C0:3100::/64	very sporadic minor edits, same IPv6 /64 over 5 years
San Jose, California	2600:1700:C460:A220:149E:F857:9CB8:3EDE	2600:1700:C460:A220::/64	looks like good faith, but a lot of reverts, same IPv6 /64 over 18 months
Bartlett, Illinois	2600:1700:C990:FBE0:10BC:94EB:8EED:263F	2600:1700:C990:FBE0::/64	a few disruptive edits in 2021, but fine afterwards, same IPv6 /64 used over 30 months

In all of the above cases that had prior history, it looks like they were sticking to the same /64 ranges.

Unless the intention is something like WP:TMOBILE, this block seems to be far too broad. Daniel Quinlan ( talk) 23:39, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

• Hmm--OK, but that's eight, out of so many octillion IPs--did you see what was rev-deleted for 2600:1700:C9C0:8B50:15FD:C8AA:752D:26CB? Anytime someone places a very specific unblock request about a range, I think LTA: it's only those with experience who know what rangeblocks are and how to complain about them. At least two fellow admins commented on those talk pages that the users are welcome to request an account. Listen, do what you think is right, but I should also point out that in that range there have been over 160 instance of Checkusers looking at that range--even at the /19 range. Drmies ( talk) 04:08, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

  Well, I already know one appeal was from an LTA so I wouldn't be surprised if there were several. My primary goal was to show that the /64 ranges seem to be least somewhat persistently connected to AT&T customers unlike some broadband proviers. We don't really know how many potential contributors we're losing with a large block like this and the legitimate users on this range aren't even given an explanation like WP:TMOBILE.

  Regarding numbers: It's a block of a very large number of AT&T customers across the country so we should expect to see many problematic users on the range. If we've blocked a large range of addresses owned by one of the largest broadband providers because they're large rather than worse then perhaps we should be talking about blocking broadband in general instead. Overall, I would recommend caution (for anyone, not just you) when trying to apply personal experience as a gauge to very large ranges because most of our experiences are with smaller ranges which are likely to be statistically different. Our brains are predisposed to learn negative stereotypes.

  There's probably value in trying to nail down which large IP ranges are the most problematic and evaluating whether blocking should be considered for any (assuming consensus). I'm going to think about this some more. It might not be that hard. Daniel Quinlan ( talk) 05:09, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

• I had a look at the above IP talk pages and the comments were from an LTA IMHO. Two have a declined unblock request with a WP:ACC link to create an account. One has a rev-deleted n-word as the edit summary. Johnuniq ( talk) 04:33, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I saw that you had blocked AmigodeMassa as a sock of Holiptholipt. It looks like Justicieroideologico immediately started editing the same articles and may be another. ThaddeusSholto ( talk) 17:01, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

• OK, thanks--I got it, and I threw in a couple of freebies, as my belated Christmas gift to you. Drmies ( talk) 18:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

• Dang, I thought Holiptholipt socks might be a garment, probably winter-worthy, possibly a Christmas gift. #disappointed. Softlavender ( talk) 07:27, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Can you please check Jeremiah Bornfield? You deleted it a few months ago as G5, it just got recreated by a user just after their 10th edit, might be a case of WP:SOCK? Can't really tag it as G4 as I don't have access to the older deleted version. Thanks a lot! ChaotıċEnby( t · c) 14:26, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

		Happy New Year!
		Wishing you and yours a Happy New Year, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free and may Janus light your way. Ealdgyth ( talk) 14:30, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, missed the fact that the sections had been deleted by you rather than by the editor trying to remove things in general from the article. I've got it on my watchlist now as well. Naraht ( talk) 16:37, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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• Special:Diff/1191767781

That made me laugh.

And delta is for dog, presumably. Although it is alpha Canis Minoris.

Uncle G ( talk) 18:29, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

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• Should I watch it? -- ferret ( talk) 01:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Doktoro tells you where to find it at Special:Diff/566102930. Now we know the sort of thing to expect in Doktoro's WWW browser history. I now have "Super Shark 2011" in mine, thanks to Doktoro's YouTube research, and I gave up trying after reading the Radio in the Movies listing.

    Doktoro will be pleased to learn that the University of Georgia lets its emeritus professor of keeping fish write a whole source that is yet to be mined for Sharks in popular culture.

    • Helfman, Gene; Burgess, George H. (2014). "Sharks in Stories, Media, and Literature". Sharks: The Animal Answer Guide. The Animal Answer Guides: Q&A for the Curious Naturalist. Johns Hopkins University Press. pp. 202–220. ISBN  9781421413099.

    In Popular Culture and youth cred star status awaits you, Doktoro. You can cite a professor stating that there are no known shark-from-other-planet movies (p.210) or that The Deep (1977 film) has the wrong species of shark for the Carribbean (p.211) or what Halle Berry's character got wrong in Dark Tide (p.211) amongst many other popular culture facts.

    Uncle G ( talk) 09:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I followed up on you in more detail at Talk:Haile Selassie. There is too much on my plate to help much more than that with the wikignoming, though. Uncle G ( talk) 08:52, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

• I appreciate that--can't do much myself. I need to finish this American Lit syllabus. Drmies ( talk) 15:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Two minutes after you draftified that article it was copied back without change to a main page at Robert K. Montoye, leaving behind the draft you created. I have done an AfD if you want to comment. Ldm1954 ( talk) 20:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Drmies, I see you removed the process + installations gallery from this article. I restored the processes, which are informative and rare in such articles, and were a pain to track down and get released under a free license. Now there are two five-up galleries, which looks alright to my eye; let me know what you think.

I know it's [still] not typical to have multimedia illustrations of procedural work, but I'd like to see much more of it, not less; the best educational material like this is on youtube and we've still done precious little to make it easy to get incorporated here... –  SJ  + 09:18, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

New sock just made his debut: CulturalHuya. ThaddeusSholto ( talk) 21:55, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• I can't make them stop, ThaddeusSholto, or change, which is a shame cause if they'd behave they could be a net positive. Drmies ( talk) 01:37, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I know you were the one to just handle the BeFriendlyGoodSi block. I know they’ve submitted an appeal, but they keep editing the page and I keep getting the ping notification. From the revision history, they seem to keep moving content around for some reason? Does this rise to the level of disruptive? Or is it just annoying and unfortunate I’ve previously offered advice there. Thanks, microbiologyMarcus ^{( petri dish· growths)} 00:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• Hmm, do you have the page watchlisted? Just cancel that. No, they're not being disruptive, but they are making a lot of smaller edits. That's not great for the history, but they're indef-blocked so they're probably a bit anxious. Drmies ( talk) 01:45, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  Not watchlisted but the edits with my username seem to have stopped at least. microbiologyMarcus ^{( petri dish· growths)} 13:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  ( talk page watcher) You should be able to mute notificatipns from that user. -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 15:20, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

weren't/aren't acting.😛. Too get full flavor, you could look at the penultimate UTRS. -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 02:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• Hmm OK. I didn't see the user page, there's nothing like that in the block log, and I still don't see any ban discussion or even mention (in the SPI or elsewhere). There may be a global lock, but the user wasn't blocked (or is unblocked?) on any other wiki. Yamla, I'm sorry--I hadn't seen the SPI until DFO just pointed to it. Without context, though, I'd be inclined to grant the request: it sounds a lot more mature than the earlier edits suggest, but I'll leave it to you UTRS folks. Drmies ( talk) 02:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  user:michaelshea04 is one of his noms de voyage This is why we can't have nice things. -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 02:53, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  Sorry guys. Tell you what, since I feel bad I'll help with CAT:RFU for a bit. Maybe we'll find one. – bradv 02:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  👍 -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 03:23, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  update. Ready carry to AN, except. Original account not accessible. Told him to maybe try Michaelshea04, and turn of the VPN. (cricket song). There's a haiku there, somewhere. -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 16:31, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  Banned and global locked

  No password for OG account

  Time to change hobbies

  - Writ Keeper  ⚇ ♔ 16:46, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  Writ Keeper, that was very moving. Thank you. Drmies ( talk) 17:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  Oh he has a new hobby-- it's trying to get us to vanish him. All of his accounts. -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 17:18, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

  and, FWIW, at WP:AN -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 16:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of that. It looks like this has been going on for years. I've found another half dozen stale sock accounts going back as early as 2007. MrOllie ( talk) 15:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

• MrOllie, I have found that you have a sharp eye for certain things, including cite spamming and COI edits, so when I see you make edits like you did I follow the trail of breadcrumbs. A lot of people could learn from the way you cite edit summaries. These two, no three, came from a fairly broad range (too broad for a range block) but with relatively few active editors, and their user agent was very different from the others, so it was easy. I do wonder what the game was, how it works--how people find those people, how the pay is, and what the customer thinks they'll get out of it. Where I work, being cited on Wikipedia means nothing. Oh, I see now what you've been doing--feel free to drop links to user pages of involved editors. Thanks for your good work, Drmies ( talk) 16:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
  • There have been a few papers published which have suggested that citations on Wikipedia correlate with increased citations in other academic papers. In response to a routine COI warning, a new editor once replied to me that they had attended a workshop at a conference which had suggested that adding their papers to Wikipedia would eventually boost their h-index - a message that I found quite eye-opening at the time. I can't recall which talk page that was on, though. MrOllie ( talk) 17:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
• MrOllie, I saw this name a few times in those citations, like here. Drmies ( talk) 17:04, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
• This may be the oldest one I've seen: User talk:EconomistFed, March 2017. Drmies ( talk) 17:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

  My oldest is Sanda Max ( talk · contribs).

  Here's what I turned up looking through article histories:

  • PinaChakra ( talk · contribs)
  • PSPolEco ( talk · contribs)
  • Ramsay_eco ( talk · contribs)
  • FederalistFORUM ( talk · contribs)
  • Mdhsj71 ( talk · contribs)
  • Sanda_Max ( talk · contribs)
  • Daniel_Mueller~enwiki ( talk · contribs)
  • Operacoper ( talk · contribs)

  - MrOllie ( talk) 17:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, this, Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Sanda Max, got populated nicely. We should probably write up an SPI. But I'm still going through the articles as well. Drmies ( talk) 17:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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 Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:13, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

{{ tps}} I bet someone named "Vanilla Wizard" can make one hell of a yummy cake. DMacks ( talk) 22:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Haha User:Vanilla Wizard, that's funny--it was a chantilly cake from Publix; not bad. Today's treat was gibassier, made by my usual enabler. Thanks! Drmies ( talk) 22:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Like how we can give a right for a set amount of time, we should be able to do trial unblocks :P -- ferret ( talk) 15:18, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions to Jewish cemetery, Hoorn. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources and it has too many problems of language or grammar. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. BoyTheKingCanDance ( talk) 18:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

• Yeah, I wish you wouldn't. Drmies ( talk) 18:02, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
• OK, BoyTheKingCanDance, by the time you were moving it it was already translated. There was a problem with language: I hadn't closed the parentheses at the end of the second paragraph--were there others? And there were sources, but you deleted them. Drmies ( talk) 18:12, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't ready for the mainspace, my friend, but I look forward to seeing the version you will doubtless turn it into. Best wishes, BoyTheKingCanDance ( talk) 18:14, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

mystery message

• Leenders, Jos (1992). Benauwde verdraagzaamheid, hachelijk fatsoen: families, standen en kerken te Hoorn in het midden van de negentiende eeuw. Hollandse historische reeks (in Dutch). Vol. 17. Stichting Hollandse Historische Reeks. ISBN  9789072627087.

The Tijme Loords instructed me to pass this on to you, Doktoro. I have no idea what it is; as it is in Gallifreyan. Isn't that the bloke that did the Avengers: Age of Ultron movie? Perhaps it is another script. I wouldn't accept unsolicited scripts, if I were you.

Uncle G ( talk) 13:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks Uncle. Haha I picked up Schama's masterpiece again (it's very heavy) the other day. Maybe it's time to go home. Drmies ( talk) 14:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Why did you remove “area served” in Draft:Turkcell TV+ (Turkey)? Just curious ~ eticangaaa ( talk) 16:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

• MOS:FLAG. Drmies ( talk) 16:41, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey, can you take a look at these contributions? I came across the article via New Page Patrol, but it looks like Coat of arms (heraldy crown) [sic] has already been deleted (today), re-created, moved to draft space, and been re-created at least once in article space. I honestly don't know what to make of the talk page engagement. There is already a Crown (heraldry) article, so to my mind, that's an unambiguous speedy deletion? Do I bring this to AN/I? Or what would you suggest? Cheers, Bastun ^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 23:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

• User:Bastun, thanks--and I saw what User:CactusWriter did. What a mess. User:Danielgoulartvieira is one side in a weird edit war in which two editors, the other is User:Gaius Khufus Caesar (now blocked for edit warring), are going at it with no possible solution because they're fighting over images made by I don't know who based on no sourcing at all. I'm curious to see what happens when these blocks run out. Obviously we can't have articles that are nothing but images and OR... Drmies ( talk) 00:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Earlier this week, I ran into an issue with an editor who is now banned for 72 hours (beginning yesterday) for personal attacks and disruptive editing. That editor, User:SniperLight47, has now created a sockpuppet account, User:SniperLight46, to evade the block. I know that you focus a lot on sockpuppetry, so I thought I would let you know about this in seeking help with the situation. Anwegmann ( talk) 00:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Anwegmann ( talk) 21:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure thing. Yes, the socking was obvious, but I checked and found no further accounts. Take care, Drmies ( talk) 22:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

The history is a bit confusing, but are you going to expand this article or something? -- Bbb23 ( talk) 01:47, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

• Yeah man, help me! Drmies ( talk) 02:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Hey, I deleted it per WP:A7. You're the guy who recreated it.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 02:54, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
    • I know, and I forgive you. Drmies ( talk) 03:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
      • After all these years, I still am never quite sure when you're serious.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 04:05, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
    • I think that Doktoro is asking for help with the sources, which say obscure things like "te Durgerdam geboren, begaf zich op zijn 17e jaar ter zeevaart" and "Hij was toen een grijsaard en woonde in 't landschap Ditmarschen. Hij stierf aldaar in 1694." Doktoro might need some help with Gallifreyan.

      Lach 1965, p. 586 is luckily in Human, Doktoro, and tells you about Glanius, who plagiarized Struys apparently. I don't know what page that is in your revised edition.

      Uncle G ( talk) 13:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

• Lach, Donald Frederick (1965). "The English Literature". Asia in the Making of Europe. Vol. 3. University of Chicago Press. ISBN  9780226467658.

If you can read Human, M. Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb, you can tell Doktoro all about the book at length. Apparently some Gallifreyan professor who left Gallifrey to live in Canadia before becoming a Florida Man says that Struys couldn't even spell his own name, and the truth is even worse than the professor from Some Place Near Ontario has made it out to be.

• Boterbloem, Kees (March 2008). "The Genesis of Jan Struys's "Perillous Voyages" and the Business of the Book Trade in the Dutch Republic". The Papers of the Bibliographical Society of America. 102 (1). The University of Chicago Press: 5–28. JSTOR  24293754.

How typical of Doktoro, Lurkers, to have managed to find a case of paid editing from the 17th century!

Uncle G ( talk) 16:13, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey Drmies, could you take a look at the above sandbox and explain why it was a hoax? I deleted it, but for some reason the deletion form didn't populate it with the WP:G3, just the WP:U5. I've undeleted it just to redelete under both criteria. Given your knowledge of football, I pretty much took your word for the hoax part. However, the user has asked that it be undeleted, so I feel like some education would be helpful. Also, the user has edited football articles, and it doesn't look like they've been reverted as disruptive. Is he just venting his whatever in his sandbox? It's a bit confusing. Thanks.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 20:44, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

• A whole bunch of the stuff was made up. I don't want to look again, but they had football games at the end of February, long after the Superbowl ended the season; the clincher was one of these BS entries played at Dallas Stadium, with the roof closed--everybody knows that the roof doesn't close. You know why, Bbb? So God can watch the Cowboys play. Muboshgu, do I get credit for being a good American sports fan? Drmies ( talk) 22:36, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Drmies' redirection of Michael J. Fox Foundation. Thank you. Usedtobecool  ☎️ 13:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks. One wonders how long this editor will be around. Drmies ( talk) 14:25, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Now we know. Usedtobecool  ☎️ 15:05, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Someone has nothing else to do today [1]. Usedtobecool  ☎️ 15:06, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Wow, Usedtobecool--lots of hobbyists. Maybe one day you'll get some of these special glasses, and you can look at childish stuff like this. ;) Drmies ( talk) 22:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

      Tempting. But everyone knows it's a trap :D Maybe one day. Thanks! Usedtobecool  ☎️ 04:17, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

I like to request more eyes on this discussion: Talk:Economic Freedom Fighters#Regarding Antisemitism description. IMO there is an issue with NPOV here, plus the Gaza-Israeli conflict. Would Israeli sources really be a reliable source to brandish an organisation antisemitic? The Banner  talk 11:43, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Re: [2], things are great here and I hope it's the same for you! I saw Saban is retiring; my condolences on your loss. :-) Ed  ^{[talk]  [OMT]} 19:05, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

• I appreciate that. I haven't yet figured out what to do with the big Saban portrait on my office door. And you, you've been through some life changes--I hope they're all good for you. Do you actually have a dog, or are you not a real American? Drmies ( talk) 19:08, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Hide it in the attic to scare some future homeowner? And we have a dog! He came with the life change. Pretty great addition, I've got to say, even if my cat feels differently. You should PM me your address (if you want—I imagine you have reasons to carefully guard that info) and I'll send ya a Christmas card next year. Both animals got prime placement last year. Ed  ^{[talk]  [OMT]} 21:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

I just heard the big news. Couldn't be prouder! I know some people in your position figure too little too late, why even bother, but there's lots of possibilities for a gay man of a certain age! Let me know if you need any help downloading Grindr, composing a delicately-worded email to friends and family, or selecting an obnoxiously large rainbow userpage banner. -- Tamzin^{[ cetacean needed} ( they|xe) 20:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

• Thank you thank you thank you. I loved the artist's rendering of me--until I saw there's also a balding dude in the picture. You're free to put the rainbow on my user page, of course. Between you and me, I'm on Ozempic now (diabetes...) so my bear-potential has gone down a bit, but I'm not worried: I can cook and make a good boulevardier, so I'm a pretty decent commodity to invest in. Drmies ( talk) 21:23, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hi there, I noticed you (I think rightfully) reverted some edits by an IP editor on my article earlier today. Thank you for that! I don't think the article violates anything in WP:Living, so I was wondering if you know whether there is another Wikipedia policy relevant to the "sensitive info" argument they're making. Just want to ensure this article is above board. ForsythiaJo ( talk) 04:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Nvm. It seems the editor was the subject of the article and is genuinely concerned. I know this isn't required by policy, but I'm going to delete the article. But thank you again for reverting the edits earlier! ForsythiaJo ( talk) 04:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

ForsythiaJo, thanks--yesterday, after the first few edits, I sent a note to Trust and Safety, but I'm fine with your action too. Drmies ( talk) 16:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for helping cleaning up EDGE Group! Between copyvio and COI, the page is quite messy. Hopefully we can bring it to a decent level :) -- Broc ( talk) 08:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks, but I'm not quite sure what a decent level is for such articles... Drmies ( talk) 14:35, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Drmies. I don't know how closely you looked into what's been going on at John Crist (comedian) (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), but from what little I've gone over so far it appears that there's been back-and-forth between supporters and detractors. I've avoided MeToo-related articles like this one, and expect that there's been some major RfCs and ArbEnf around such BLP articles. I'm thinking of requesting help at BLP. Any suggestions? -- Hipal ( talk) 02:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

• I'm thinking that BLPN might be the best place, yes. I'm not sure why you removed the Slate article. Drmies ( talk) 14:35, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I placed the two new refs on the talk page with comments when I reverted the section back to the stable version. -- Hipal ( talk) 17:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your modifications to make it more neutral. Bsskchaitanya ( talk) 19:16, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

OK to unblock? I asked 331dot, but not you. UTRS appeal #83037 Thanks. -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 22:50, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

If you have 5 minutes see WP:ANI#Charmetric / Sikder Group and in particular this . Not very nice speaking to a lady like that. I'm surprised an admin hasn't picked up on the ANI thread. W C M _email 18:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

PS Babe magnet? I thought you came out as gay recently? :) W C M _email 18:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Never mind, I see EdJohnston has picked it up. W C M _email 18:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I was out for a minute, or two. I can't process the second sentence. Wait, I can't process any of it, and I'm about to teach 19th-c American poetry. Thank you, User:Daniel Case, for doing what must be done. The babe magnet quote, yeah that's a quote: apparently one of Shane McGowan's famous quotes, haha. True, I came out as gay--but on the internet, so who can tell. Not Mrs. Drmies! Drmies ( talk) 19:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Like 2019, remember? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:33, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I have a DYK on the Main page, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

story · music · places

Today a friend's birthday, with related music and new vacation pics -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Drmies,

I was about to PROD this promotional article and found that you had recently PROD'd yourself and it had been de-PROD'd. Think it should go to AFD? Most of the sources are pretty dated. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

• Hmm yeah, I don't know what's with the editor who dePRODded it. I don't know why someone thinks that a "long profile" in the NYT makes something notable. All those sources are dated, and I don't think this was ever notable to begin with. Drmies ( talk) 03:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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Even after your Level 4 warning, this user continues to edit war and make unconstructive, apparently WP:OR edits. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Kalari_cheese&action=history

Thank you. - Ram1751 ( talk) 03:06, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Drmies, after their block expiration, this user is edit warring again. Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Umayyad_campaigns_in_India&action=history

Thank you. - Ram1751 ( talk) 02:25, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Amusingly, I had this one lined up. I had not even got to it yet as there is still more to mine from the sociology professor.

• Maccracken, Jim (2017). Leslie County Kentucky Fishing & Floating Guide Book. Kentucky Fishing & Floating Guide Books. Lancaster, Ohio: Recreational Guides.

Uncle G ( talk) 01:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• We each have our sociology professors, Uncle! Drmies ( talk) 02:05, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks to the sociology professor dropping a name in a footnote, I have someone else, too. And there is another Possum Trot! Uncle G ( talk) 10:14, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Another Possum Trot

Ha, I'm trying to get my hands on a copy. Drmies ( talk) 17:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• Uncle, I won the auction but the sale was canceled--apparently the book was damaged... Drmies ( talk) 02:38, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
  • That's a shame. I hope that you have better luck with that book by Evan Nooe that you are going to take with you on your trip to Castleberry, to read as you are waiting in the queue for visiting the Dollar General. And coincidentally since I mention Nooe, I have just tripped over another history professor, a professor of mining, at Raft River, Idaho ( AfD discussion). Uncle G ( talk) 08:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
    • If the book is When They Hanged The Fiddler and Other Stories from "It Happened Here", there are numerous copies easily purchasable for abut $40: [3]. If the book is Leslie County Kentucky Fishing & Floating Guide Book, there are numerous copies available for under $30: [4]. -- Softlavender ( talk) 08:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

And Bbb23 says my sense humor is impenetrable I guess this wasn't the sudden realization of having made a terrible mistake. BTW, Bbb23 asked me about jumping his car, but I don't know where he lives and, I was wondering if you were available. 😋 Best -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 09:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

• Bbb drives? Well, I checked that range again, both ranges actually, and it's so full of spammers. I don't care if you unblock that account or not. They produced a promotional piece of trash, and if they do it again you can just block em for either undeclared COI editing or just spamming. Drmies ( talk) 22:53, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Will need some convincing nonpromotional edit -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 23:20, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
    • I'm off this weekend so either I will remember or I won't -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 23:22, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
      • Alright, you enjoy. What are you doing? Deepfrying some okra? Drmies ( talk) 23:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
        • Bbb23 probably doesn't drive if the car has a dead battery.😢 -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 00:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
          • My brother was in the hospital, so I broiled some pork shoulder steaks, learned how to cook bottom round fillets, and broiled some chicken legs. Oddly, after i chose this user name, I lost all taste for okra. -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 00:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
            • I need an invite. BTW, my elder brother called okra "God's greatest effort." Softlavender ( talk) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
              • You know what, I have a hard time putting "pork" and "steak" together mentally. I do note that DFO has no fewer than three food groups in one sentence. I had three in one meal: okra, sausage, and chicken, in gumbo. Gumbo is good. Softlavenver, you're always welcome here.
                • I would love a good gumbo, so count me in. My mom didn't make gumbo that I recall, but she did make a mean shrimp creole, particularly when we visited Pawleys Island for two weeks every summer. Softlavender ( talk) 01:53, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
                  • It was decent--I'm not going to flatter myself by saying it was great. My colleague (she's from St. Louis and lived in New Orleans) makes it much darker. I didn't realize a good gumbo needed hours and hours of cooking--I thought a half an hour or something was OK. But I'm not displeased. Pawley's Island--that looks interesting. I love those old coastal communities: it's all going away faster than we can write them up, certainly at the Gulf Coast here. Drmies ( talk) 22:16, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

                    Still not convinced to unblock. Never stated what constructive edits -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 18:25, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Would you mind semi-protecting mine and others talk pages that are the target of that LTA, it is getting annoying. Thanks, v/r - Seawolf35 ^{T-- C} 02:40, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. v/r - Seawolf35 ^{T-- C} 02:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Sure thing. I'm sorry you're getting this too. Drmies ( talk) 02:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Meh, I've had worse, the internet is certainly a strange place, you would think these people would have something better to do. v/r - Seawolf35 ^{T-- C} 02:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, asking you about this because I reached a point of wondering who had perpetuated the thing and whether it had been through articles for consideration etc, and saw you had been in the article just now and were equally appalled. I normally rather like to repair bad articles on important topics, but this comes with the assumption that the author isn't currently writing more.

It isn't just the cutting and pasting that bothers me here; there is little to no effort made to integrate the parts of the whole, and there's little wonder that the article has been tagged as incomprehensible. Who, for example, is Cencelly? A Chinese national named "Eng - Cang", which seems unlikely... Anda was apparently a governor, but he is mentioned out of the blue with no context or timeframe. Ditto Ali-Mudin. "Generals Corcuero and Almonte made peace with Corralat": that's great but who are these people? It all seems pretty careless.

A 1905 Filipino schoolbook is cited. What could possibly go wrong? I have changed "any Chinaman" to "all Chinese" and Mussulman to Muslim but I am not confident that I have gotten everything of the kind.

Good luck to anyone who wants to know more about the Sultanate period, as this editor seems to be involved in all of the related articles, and surprise, was just at ANI over something about Japan in World War II, which concerns me deeply. I guess I should go check out that thread but lookee here:

Japanese women in Manchukuo were repeatedly raped by Russian soldiers every day including underage girls from the families of Japanese who worked for the military and the Manchukuo rail at Beian airport and Japanese military nurses. The Russians seized Japanese civilian girls at Beian airport where there were a total of 1000 Japanese civilians, repeatedly raping 10 girls each day as recalled by Yoshida Reiko and repeatedly raped 75 Japanese nurses at the Sunwu military hospital in Manchukuo during the occupation. The Russians rejected all the pleading by the Japanese officers to stop the rapes. The Japanese were told by the Russians that they had to give their women for rape as war spoils.[158][159][160][161][162][163] It might even be true but that kind of reference stack usually indicates something that someone wants, maybe even believes to be true. Lots of times they are wrong. Do you have tools to determine the authorship of that paragraph?

I am reluctant to ANI this. Maybe they are new and mean well; also the likely outcome is that I will be told to assume good faith and the editor will tell me to piss off and I will become the bad guy because Lourdes once said so. I stumbled into this while taking a break from trying to settle the incompatible histories of WW2 in Lithuania so I seriously don't have time for all this shizzle, but something needs to be done and it is genuinely difficult to improve the article because the article text and the reference quotes are identical but need to be edited in different ways. (I keep having to backtrack because I just edited the quote, or losing my place when I scroll up to see where I am, etc)

help? Elinruby ( talk) 05:47, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1144 -- something about the Moro rebellion. There's a link to a section on this page in which you say that Trump is too important to relegate to the Popular Culture section, if that rings a bell. Given some of the participants in the ANI and the apparently combative nature of the editor, who wants us all to know he's an admin on Fandom, I emphatically choose not to die on this hill, since I have other hills to die on, so I am bowing out at this point from further investigation. By grouping the references I have somewhat masked the problem, though, so I will commit to fixing the cite overkill on this one page. Over time. I guess you have it watchlisted, so let me know if you think I have erred in my choices. I am out of my usual element. I may also attempt to verify the references for the lulz. Thank you for any brainpower applied to this issue. Elinruby ( talk) 06:49, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Ha, it's going to take a bit more from me than I can give right now, but I'll try tomorrow. Don't die on any hills. Drmies ( talk) 02:04, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Check me if I am wrong, but the editor isn't actually breaking any policies even if the titles of his antique references refer to pagans, is he. Since the ANI mentioned above was initiated by *him* and he seems to think his editing is fine, perhaps he needs someone to tell him that this cut and paste stuff is essentially a very early draft. The thing is, I have identified and wikilinked some of the names and broken up some of the long paragraphs and see no sign that he doesn't consider this a finished product. I can't verify Jstor on this device but my verification sample is... meh. Not egregiously bad. Elinruby ( talk) 18:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I really don't know what to say. That article is awful; I can't tell if it can be saved in the first place. What could be done is strip it entirely to a stub, with a couple of references, and then build it up--in which case one can see step by step what is verified by what. That ANI discussion was...well a kind of a disaster. Drmies ( talk) 22:29, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

There's another thing: what even IS this article? It's like Spanish–Moro conflict but worse. It's a list of 200+ years of conflict? You could consider turning it into a list article... Drmies ( talk) 22:40, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Pretty much a discussion of all the times the Spanish and the Chinese got into it in the Philippines, yes. My issue is that even once I edit it at the sentence level and it is ok-ish on that level, it is still a series of out-of-context sentences. I am about a hundred edits into it and there is no end in sight. Meanwhile, are there more like this in the pipeline, is my question.

Is there precedent from making him go through AfC? That would require ANI, right? I guess I can try to ask him about it but based his behaviour at that ANI I'd expect that to go poorly. AfD won't work as there clearly are sources. Thanks for deleting that section btw, that was what I was talking about when I said the sources were meh. I didn't doing anything about it because I can't check Jstor on this laptop, but the other reference says the Chinese killed a "minor Spanish official" which could be taken to support "constable"... I was going to see what the Jstor was. But you are right, it's very weak to begin with, regardless. Elinruby ( talk) 23:36, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I did wonder how one could possibly create a 71KiB article in its first edit. I've tried that and I know how difficult it is. I wondered even more when I looked at the revision and it didn't seem particularly long. Then I noticed that almost half of the bulk was taken up by lengthy quotes of the sources in the citations.

That Spirit of '76 magazine that you still have an enormous quote from is a little magazine published in New York and was the official magazine of the Sons of the American Revolution. It folded in 1906. ^{[1]: 114–115} It's not exactly the best and most academic of historical sources for a conflict that was on the other side of the planet one and a quarter centuries earlier.

Uncle G ( talk) 03:58, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

You and Doktoro, Elinruby might enjoy that this magazine is currently the only sourced content at Sons of the American Revolution#Merchandise. ☺ Uncle G ( talk) 04:30, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to trouble you again, Drmies. Since you're familiar with the background, could I ask for your input here? Thanks. Jean-de-Nivelle ( talk) 12:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Can you stop with your bullying campaign, Jean? Admins have better things to do than listen to your whining. The Banner  talk 12:42, 9 February 2024 (UTC) And yes, Drmies is on my watchlist.

Jean-de-Nivelle, it's no trouble, but it's not something that I am going to jump into: I don't really have the expertise or the interest. I'm not a MOS expert, and Banner and I go way back: I should be the last person to get involved. Banner, it's OK: this isn't whining, as far as I'm concerned, and I'd prefer it if you used more collegial language despite your disagreement--please, old friend. Drmies ( talk) 14:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

It's precisely because I know that you and The Banner go back a long way that I thought your involvement would be beneficial, not as an admin but as a sane and calming presence. The MoS issue is, I think, secondary at this point. Still, thank you. Jean-de-Nivelle ( talk) 15:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I know that I say youth cred, Doktoro, but writing about penises in an encyclopaedia takes that down to the youngest of youths. ☺ Anyway, if you want what the modern kids say, I went and Google Booked for "world's oldest" and many of the modern texts in the 21st century cite this fella:

• Dunsmuir, W. D.; Gordon, E. M. (January 1999). "The history of circumcision". BJU International. 83 Suppl (1): 1–12. doi: 10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1001.x. PMID  10349408.

That Grafton Elliot Smith fella is still on the shortlist, as you can see from page 1. And it seems to pretty much support, as of 1999, the sentence that you and Joe Roe are disputing; although if you wanted to go deeper you could always look at the 1958 and 1956 sources that Dunsmuir and Gordon in their turn cite.

You three owe me for what's now in my Google search history.

Uncle G ( talk) 12:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

• Scientists from other fields tend to treat prehistory as just a source of colour for their paper introduction – no evidence required. The paper you link doesn't even get Elliot Smith's name right. I haven't been able to find anything that isn't baseless speculation, usually tracing back to him or other Victorian thinkers. The 'oldest surgical procedure' claim is particularly dubious in light of the demonstrable antiquity of trepanation. –  Joe ( talk) 12:25, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Dunsmuir and Gordon spelled the name correctly, as one can see from reading the actual Journal. Which leaves you with two arguments, the fact that people still agree with a Victorian era person, and the claim that trepanning is older. Your claim that trepanning is older is negated by these two fellas:

    Is circumcision the oldest known surgical procedure? The oldest operation for which there is tangible physical evidence is trepanning, since several Neolithic skulls […] However, iconographic evidence puts circumcision much further back — well into the Paleolithic period […] The other basis for assigning a vast antiquity to circumcision […] It is probably not stretching the evidence too much to suggest that modern man evolved as a circumcising species.

    — Cox, Guy; Morris, Brian J. (2012). "Why Circumcision? From Prehistory to the Twenty-First Century". In Bolnick, David A.; Koyle, Martin; Yosha, Assaf (eds.). Surgical Guide to Circumcision. Springer Science & Business Media. ISBN  9781447128588., pp.243–244

    Guy Cox and Brian J. Morris are respected cobbers from the University of Sydney.

    I am saddened to tell you that you are up against pretty much every urology and circumcision surgery textbook in the 21st century that there is, on this one, from Al-Salem's 2016 An Illustrated Guide to Pediatric Urology to Heyns's and Krieger's entry on Circumcision in Andrology for the Clinician (Springer Science & Business Media, 2006). And not only are the modern day urologists massed against you, so too are the neurologists:

    trephining […] Osler states that this operation is the oldest known surgical procedure, but it is likely to have been preceded by circumcision.

    — Pryse-Phillips, William (2009). "trephining". Companion to Clinical Neurology (3rd ed.). Oxford University Press. ISBN  9780199710041., p.1021

    Pryse-Phillips is a Newly found Canadianian, and what xe tells us is that your idea about trepanning was a Victorian idea from William Osler which modern scholarship thinks is wrong. Which seems ironic given that you want to dismiss Victorian ideas. ☺

    Uncle G ( talk) 14:30, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

    • They call him "Sir Graham Elliot Smith". His first name is Grafton, not Graham. I don't think we can consider textbooks on urology or surgery reliable sources for prehistory, nor be surprised that such sources simply parrot what they heard from someone else who is parroting someone else who is parroting 19th century speculation. The only relevant point here is the mention of Paleolithic circumcision depictions by Cox & Morris, which would indeed make it older than trepanation (I've seen prehistoric trepanned skulls for myself, there are thousands of them, so no need to rely on Victorians there), and can be sourced to this article, so thanks for finally getting to the bottom of that. –  Joe ( talk) 15:20, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
      • Untrue. The article in the Journal clearly says Grafton. You are looking at the Journal article, with the "1" at the bottom right-hand corner of the page, right? It's amusing that you dismiss urologists, only grudgingly concede that your arguments are contradicted, and then cite a urologist's article in Urology after all that. Uncle G ( talk) 21:32, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

        Oh am I grudging? Didn't notice. Glad to amuse though. Thanks again for the references. –  Joe ( talk) 08:12, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

• Uncle: try the Private window next time. My aunt might appreciate that too. Drmies ( talk) 13:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
  • It's going to take just one person announcing on some noticeboard somewhere that there's a discussion of penises on your talk page, Doktoro. Just one! ☺ Uncle G ( talk) 14:30, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
    • Fact. And I'm reminded of how I met User:LadyofShalott--over a bucket of semen. Drmies ( talk) 15:17, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

      Indeed. What a strange way to make someone's acquaintance that was. Hah! Ladyof Shalott 20:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

There's a noticable communist in that sea of blue in your cemetery, Doktoro. Are we still waiting for the keeper of the Hank Williams Museum to write us a biography? All that I have is what I could get from the souvenir shop, and you know what the souvenir shop stuff is like: glossy and superficial. The tour guide skipped over the bit about the Lanier House slaves in 1861, and it isn't in the souvenir shop stuff at all.

Uncle G ( talk) 10:17, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

• Yeah that red fellow is still in user space, for a very specific reason. I'll explain Saturday morning, at the Curb Market, over croissants, and then we'll walk over to Oakwood: all we have to do is cross the street and walked past Paterson Field. I'll be there at 9: don't be late. There's no souvenir shop, unfortunately, at the cemetery. I need to go by anyway--I took pictures of his grave last time but they're not great. Thank you for looking at the father--by all accounts a mediocre lawyer with a great love for literature, really old and flowery literature of course. What I don't know if he showed up in Montgomery often. I imagine he was there at Clifford's wedding, of course; pity Clifford couldn't take him for a drink at the Beauvoir Club (that will go live when I finish up the country club section). But please do tell me about the enslaved servants. Their very existence is so transparent in the historic record that it's really difficult to get a grip on it; it was hard enough to find anything of the kind related to the Montgomery hotel. Drmies ( talk) 14:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Well if you want to find out about Sterling and Robert, Doktoro, the Internet tells me that there is stuff to read about Indian Springs, Lanier House, and Sterling going to New York on pages 84 to 85 of this:
    • Norwood, Martha F. (1978). The Indian Springs Hotel as a Nineteenth-century Watering Place. Georgia Department of Natural Resources, Office of Planning and Research, Historic Preservation Section.
  • It's not in the souvenir shop.

    Beware of gazumpers whilst you are there, Doktoro, and of land grabbers, and (even more importantly) why is the One Armed Man not on your list?

    Uncle G ( talk) 22:34, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

    • Uncle, I'm in the process of downloading a ZIP file with some 2000 letters/documents from Clifford's collection in the Johns Hopkins archive. My colleague says his dad's handwriting is not so bad, but I'm despairing. I'm at 7Gb and it's still running. Drmies ( talk) 23:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
      • I probably shouldn't point that there's mention of the "Cobb Papers" with more Lanier letters on page 67, then. Uncle G ( talk) 08:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
    • Yes, I visited today; I'll upload my photos soon. Saint Margaret is nextdoor; it's not exactly clear to me what's what--three cemeteries? I read that article about the swap and I need to have a word with Yawn about that joke, "any problems caused by the error are now buried". I wish I had thought harder before I left--I took a 55-200 lens, rather than the 18-55 which was also in the bag. Foolish. As for the unarmed man--I ran out of free article views, apparently. I ended my subscription when the paper ran a stupid anti-Hilary Clinton cartoon (one of those conspiracy things) the day after that nutcase dropped a bomb at the gate to her house: that was in such poor taste. Drmies ( talk) 23:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
      • I suspect that you are about to discover that you need to go back. You didn't get Sarah, did you? ☺ Nor the other soldiers, since the Advertiser has forgotten them; and didn't even know that the turf was artificial. Uncle G ( talk) 08:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Enjoy, Lurkers, the bind that Doktoro is now in: xe has to admit that F. Scott Fitzgerald is either not popular or not culture. ☺ Uncle G ( talk) 08:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

• Fun fact, Uncle G--as a loyal follower of my program you've seen Mary Ann Neeley's name pop up here and there. The city named a park after her, and I live in the house that her daughter used to own. She was a wonderful lady, a true fount of information. Drmies ( talk) 22:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
  • If you thought that sorting out 3 cemeteries was hard, consider that at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Axborough I was faced with a source partly written in Latin and Old English, using the original spellings with eths, wynns, and thorns, and lacking the letters "V" and "W", which made the fact that its subject was Wolverley quite interesting.

    You should take another walkabout and fix the article on NewSouth Books now. You also need to track down a source for your popular culture fella and that Sam bloke, who just weren't in anything that I had. Amusingly. even the Neely going weekend walkabout news item was more interested in your popular culture fella's girlfriend and her family's plot.

    Uncle G ( talk) 23:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi. I'm pretty sure that this is a proxy- [5]. It shows a bogus ISP of Agile Networks, Ohio and is being operated by a well know block evader who is known to geolocate to Pennsylvania when he edits logged out. If I'm not mistaken, almost all proxies will have some sketchy, non existent ISP listed and often times doing a cursory search of the ISP leads to fake websites with defunct services. Your insight would be appreciated as I dont particularly have much knowledge on these topics but have to deal with a persistent block evader who employs a large number of proxies. Thanks. Southasianhistorian8 ( talk) 01:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

• Hmm--yeah, I'm not the best person to ask here; people like zzuuzz and Ponyo are probably better at it. And if this is a returning customer, they might know them. Sorry, Drmies ( talk) 17:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

@ Suthasianhistorian8: It doesn't seem too extraordinary to me. It's registered to Agile Networks; Agile is listed as a subsidiary of Altafiber. Sources say that Agile operates in Pennsylvania. [6] I have a couple of remaining suspicions, but I'm applying Occam's razor. Why they're using this network I can't say, but it just may be the person you're looking for. Handing it back.. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 19:46, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Drmies. I will continue this discussion on zzuzz's page. Thanks again. Southasianhistorian8 ( talk) 23:06, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm the first to admit my understanding of BLP policy is not the greatest but I think I'm right on this one. I have an article in which editors claim that by quoting the original remarks from a twitter controversy via a secondary source WP:BLPSELFPUB and WP:BLPPRIMARY are irrelevant. I have commented that the secondary sources are only used to source the original remarks not for the commentary added by secondary sources, which includes the fact that some of the claims made are untrue.

So whilst they've added a degree of separation, they're simply quoting the original remarks ie back to the original primary self-published source. I also point out that not including the commentary the remarks are untrue is a WP:BLP violation and risks victimising the subject of the controversy once more violating WP:AVOIDVICTIM. The subject of the controversy was driven to consider suicide at the time. Having suggested we have a responsibility to consider the victim here, in response, I'm getting WP:PUBLICFIGURE means we don't have to consider the feelings of the victim.

I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this. W C M _email 08:41, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

• Hmm. I don't think it says anywhere that if you were to quote a tweet from a secondary source that quotes the tweet you should include all relevant material, but I do think that the spirit of the BLP is clear here: let's say a president or former president tweets something that is blatantly false. It would behoove us to include the secondary source's comment that the claim is blatantly false--I'm presuming that the secondary source, if it's any good, will comment on the falseness of the tweet. Otherwise, why would they be reporting on it? And of course the tweet should be properly ascribed and all that, but I assume that that's done by way of "person X claimed in a tweet". So yes, if a real person can be harmed, in their reputation or otherwise, by verbatim quoting a tweet that's a lie without adding the context as offered by a reliable source, that's a BLP violation. Drmies ( talk) 17:01, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
  • If the only purpose for using a secondary source is to provide attribution for a tweet, then no, it's still a primary source. As Drmies says, though, if the reason that secondary source mentions the tweet is because there is something problematic with it, then that context should probably be included (since that is the whole reason the tweet being quoted, n'est pas?). Primefac ( talk) 21:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC) ( talk page stalker)
    • For what it's worth, as a BLP Noticeboard regular I know exactly which biography this is, and the talk page on this goes back seven years. It's a whole Hell of a lot more complex than the hypothetical, including considerations at some points over the years that it was most of the article by word count because editors never wrote about anything else in the biography, meaning that the push to shorten this in the biography and cover it in another article on collective incidents of this type conflicted with the people who wanted to put every detail into the biography including all of the quotations of Tweets and interviews and supporters and detractors. There's a very difficult timeline to sort out, including whether the article subject was aware of what the context was when interviewed for a country's national radio broadcaster, with supposedly reliable sources proffered where the people who wrote them didn't sort out the timeline as Wikipedia editors were able to do on the talk page. As well as the author of at least one self-published source being a participant on the talk page and adding unverifiable details there. Then there's who-transcribed-what and people who disagreed with revised news publications by Tweeting. It's a right old mess.

      If I said that I can name two editors who have stood largely alone on the talk page over the years about glib misrepresentations that go back to Tweets when it is known that the Tweets were challenged, and there is now an open administrator discussion about banning one of those editors for repeatedly objecting to how people want to re-expand the article with raw quotations again, even though there are now talk page discussions where other editors opposing the lone voice are drawing parallels between the article subject and Adolph Eichmann and throwing around random conflict-of-interest accusations in response to the lone voice's objections that editors making BLP-violating accusations of their own against the article subject on the talk page is not a good thing, you'll know which biography this is, too.

      Yes, more people are following this than you might realize, Wee Curry Monster, and given that historically, from the days of Siegenthaler onwards, it has so often been the case that one person stands alone against a lot of people who need their heads knocked together (such as about not drawing Nazi parallels even on the talk page) this whole situation seems problematic. And I share the viewpoint expressed that this is but a short step away from Arbitration. Which is bound to give you flashbacks, Doktoro. ☺

      Uncle G ( talk) 06:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

      • I recuse in advance. Drmies ( talk) 13:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
      • No worries Uncle G I appreciate your comments and it is with some relief that there is someone keeping an eye on this. I was looking for some advice, because I am no BLP regular and I have had my fingers burned by misunderstanding BLP policy. I also rather suspected that the author of some of the SPS was involved, its nice to have that confirmed. W C M _email 07:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
        • See Talk:Tim Hunt/Archive 2#Is that Medium article reliable?. Also Talk:Tim Hunt/Archive 2#Controversy for Sir Tim Hunt controversy at WCSJ, and Talk:Tim Hunt/Archive 2#Split proposal: "Distractingly sexy" online shaming for the prior discussions of handling the thing in detail in another article. Uncle G ( talk) 08:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm not sure if this is the place to mention it (I did comment on ANI) but they seem determined to out one of the editors who has been a lone voice. There does seem to be intimidation tactics and I'm suspecting a WP:COI with one of the active protagonists; or am I just paranoid? W C M _email 10:21, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

My impression is that while this was seemingly very difficult to cover around the time it happened, some editors are highly immersed in the raw material and stuck fighting old battles while, in the meantime, quite a lot of quality scholarship has appeared which gives a more distanced perspective on events and which should make it comparatively easy to cover in an encyclopedic manner. In general, my experience is that the solution to gnarly disputes on Wikipedia is to raise sourcing quality. Bon courage ( talk) 12:36, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

What you advocate as "quality scholarship" are feminist publications that simply don't examine what happened objectively. Your comments in the talk page have been particularly unhelpful in covering events in an encyclopedic manner and your content proposal gives a platform to commentary that is basically untrue. Uncle G's synposis above accurately summarises everything wrong with what you're trying to do. It also appears to me that you're following me around and this is getting rather uncomfortable. W C M _email 12:51, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

How is DOI:10.1111/ejop.12543 a "feminist publication"? (as if that's a bad thing anyway)

I think surfacing scholarly coverage (we have four new journal articles and a couple of book chapters so far I think) is useful surely. Surely better, at any rate, than raising the WP:DAILYMAIL, blog posts, and tweets like it was still 2016. Bon courage ( talk) 12:57, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Can you block 128.194.2.38 (who you just reverted on my talk page). He is banned user Thespeedoflightneverchanges, confirmed off-wiki. Thanks. Cpotisch ( talk) 19:08, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Asking you because the "recently active admins" tool pointed me to you: would you mind WP:REVDEL this reverted vandalism revision? It has Unicode special characters in the edit summary which are annoying when looking at the revision history of that article. I think deleting this revision should be non-controversial due to WP:REVDEL criteria RD3. Thank you very much. SomethingForDeletion ( talk) 01:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

• It's true: I've been a babe magnet for years now. No, I don't mind at all. I've seen that child before, I think. I don't know how that a-hole does it, and I wish we could stop it. I also upped the block a bit. Thanks. Drmies ( talk) 01:56, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for your help. SomethingForDeletion ( talk) 01:57, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I've got a few socks that should be added to Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Go im so horny based on edit summaries. Based on the evidence I've provided below, all of these can be proven without a checkuser. Is it alright if I add them to the category?

Socks

Sock	Evidence
Special:Contributions/Cailiou the bulldog	Special:Diff/1205986703
Special:Contributions/GoCowboys3	Special:Diff/1205702071
Special:Contributions/I hate STD	Special:Diff/1205576957
Special:Contributions/Mr Backwards 3	Special:Diff/1205144574
Special:Contributions/Obey my fing rules	Special:Diff/1205111259
Special:Contributions/I think the way is yo smoke all the way	Special:Diff/1193860471
Special:Contributions/It cryd it sucks	Special:Diff/1182731435
Special:Contributions/Lets do it at home only	Special:Diff/1194057345
Special:Contributions/Mr Backwards 2	Special:Diff/1188379802
Special:Contributions/Dear santa i hate you	Special:Diff/1196639216

Thanks! Philipnelson99 ( talk) 19:06, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Philipnelson99, I'm Drmies' understudy. The categories are populated based on the SPI tags added to the user page. These are throw-away vandal accounts, there's not much benefit to tagging them. WP:RBI/ WP:DNFTT and all that. If you feel they need to be tagged, you can start an SPI and a Clerk can review for tagging and tracking.-- Ponyo ^{bons mots} 00:03, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@ Ponyo understood. Wasn't sure if it was necessary. I'll defer to your explanation above then. I don't think SPI would be useful here since they are all blocked. just wasn't sure. I know this particular LTA tends to go xwiki on some accounts but tagging them as sockpuppets here won't make a difference either way. Appreciate the feedback!! Philipnelson99 ( talk) 00:06, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Philipnelson99, Ponyo is actually my master, my god. Plus they live in a place where I could probably get the Ozempic that keeps my A1C under control, paid for by insurance. So, follow their advice. Personally I'm a fan of tagging, in part because I like to know, years after the fact, what happened, but that's probably a million tag for that one time it's useful. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 01:59, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I have seen both of you around during my counter vandalism work, appreciate you both! Philipnelson99 ( talk) 02:07, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh, right, that asshole--yeah, I already forgot about them. Drmies ( talk) 02:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, this edit suggests your change was minor, but you did remove enough content and a citation that I wouldn't consider it "minor". Could you provide more context when reverting edits like this in the edit summary in the future? Cheers, -- Engineerchange ( talk) 17:20, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• What. Drmies ( talk) 17:28, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Yeah, shame on you, I've blocked the user you reverted as a sock of Thmymerc. A voice from the past, eh Tamzin? -- Bbb23 ( talk) 17:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
    • Haha, big surprise that it was a sock! Bbb, I'm grateful for your memory. Is Tamzin still around? I thought they left me after I came out as gay. Drmies ( talk) 17:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
    • Are you familiar at all with the master that I just blocked a dozen or more accounts from? Drmies ( talk) 17:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
      • Maybe Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Apeexterminator - take a look. How come you didn't invite me to your coming out party?-- Bbb23 ( talk) 17:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
        • Didn't have a party, Bbb. I'm still in mourning--my coach retired. Drmies ( talk) 18:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
          • We held one for you on Discord. It was lovely. -- ferret ( talk) 18:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
          • ( edit conflict) You must have a party. All late bloomers have parties, it's required. And if you have bloomers, so much the better. How about a combination memorial service/coming out party? Those can be fun...or so I've heard. Truth is I'm not much of a party animal. What does the missus think?-- Bbb23 ( talk) 18:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
            • I'm happy to hear it! I haven't told Mrs Drmies, BTW. But if it was on Discord, my boy might find out. Hmm. But kids these days don't care. Drmies ( talk) 18:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Patrolling Recent changes gets me into so many weird areas of the project. Shirke, an Indian clan (worse than other Indian articles), is being mutilated by WP:SPA Anvesh.rajeshirke. I restored a much earlier version of the article (pre-mess), warned the user, who promptly reverted me, was themself reverted by another user, reverted again by Anvesh, then me (leaving a final warning), and now restored by Anvesh. No point in my continuing to edit-war, and WP:INVOLVED stops me from doing what I want to do, which is to indef the user, so if Uncle G doesn't object to my distracting you with Indian clan stuff (at least it's not socks, although the edit history of the article alludes to socks), maybe you could tear yourself away from flowers and attempting to educate me (hopeless, although I did read what you wrote) ... -- Bbb23 ( talk) 17:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, we'll see what they do in a couple of weeks. There's a fair amount of incompetence mixed in to this.

Did you have a premonition about Tamzin?-- Bbb23 ( talk) 17:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

No but now I'm worried--it'll take me a while to read up, though. Thanks. Drmies ( talk) 18:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Drmies, I came across this page (linked from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Archive 20) while doing some barnstar-related wikiarchaeology. I noticed that you deleted it in 2012 under G6 - I was wondering if you would mind undeleting it for historical reference (& turning it into an {{ R from merge}} to Wikipedia:Barnstars). Let me know if you have any queries, or if I'm missing anything. All the best, ‍—‍ a smart kitten_{[ meow} 01:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Sure. Drmies ( talk) 02:01, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Your submission of Jewish cemetery, Hoorn at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Daniel Case ( talk) 22:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Fex urbis lex orbis ( AfD discussion)

I'd take you away from Arbitration flashbacks ("Incoming!") Doktoro, with some happy quest for youth cred material; only now I'm stuck with some very dead people and something that Victor Hugo claimed that fails verification. Uncle G ( talk) 10:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• As fascinating as that sounds, dear uncle, Ima be a bit absent today. Sorry. Drmies ( talk) 14:39, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
  • No worries, Doktoro. I was apologizing for not having some happy quest for youth cred for you, after all, because an article sourced solely to an old French novel had intervened. Although I did later find a subject which I am sure the Lurkers will agree is inseparable from you in their minds: Bulgarian womens' football and Kremena Prodanova ( AfD discussion). Hands up, anyone for whom that does not immediately conjure up Doktoro's name when they encounter it! Uncle G ( talk) 07:19, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
    • Oh I'm not worried. I looked at the AfD for the phrase and my head is spinning. For football players I always go with the snowman--this is not America. Drmies ( talk) 15:57, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
      • Hello hello hello - my ears are burning... Giant Snowman 18:55, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
        • That's as maybe, but look at all of the hands that have failed to shoot up! Uncle G ( talk) 08:31, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

You blocked SniperLight46 indicating in the block log that they were a sock of SniperLight47. For whatever reason, you chose not to block 47. Right after your block, OnlySL (notice the SL in the username) was created and edits the same articles. I think there's enough for me to block the new account and 47 (now that there are at least two socks), but I thought a check might be helpful.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 00:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• "Whatever reason" is probably advanced age, Bbb. Drmies ( talk) 01:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
• OK: check done, CU-confirmed blocks placed. Thanks. Drmies ( talk) 01:44, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• "probably advanced age". You may be old, but you're still priceless. Thanks.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 01:51, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  Aw ❤️❤️🌈🐐🐔👍🏽 Drmies ( talk) 01:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC) Drmies ( talk) 01:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Ignore the white flowers!

We need to drag Doktoro away from staring at xyr socks again, M. Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb. Otherwise xe might notice that Blanchefleur ( AfD discussion) is nominated for deletion. We don't want Doktoro upset by Mediaeval romance literature topics that connect to Carl Orff. That's not a way to youth cred. If Kurt Hugo Schneider has not done a cover of this Orff fella's "Blanziflor et Helena", can it even be called music at all?

We should distract Doktoro with more Eastern European womens' football, with which xe is justly synonymous. Ștefania Donica ( AfD discussion) is currently listed for deletion.

Uncle G ( talk) 13:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• Hmm I could do with a relationship expert. Drmies ( talk) 15:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
  • No doubt, given your recent awakening, you have watched Heartstopper. One scene comes to mind. Tao is telling Charlie that it's fine for Nick to come out as long as they are fine with the consequences. Elle overhears and says (sarcastically) to Tao, "You're giving relationship advice?"
    Uncle G, I have confessed in the past to not understanding half of what Drmies says. I will now add to that confession: I rarely understand anything you say. Many in my family are proud of how neurotic we are (my sister, not so much, she insists on thinking she's "normal"). Me, I'm also proud of my ignorance. Education is a valuable tool, but it's not for everyone. You may now go back to your arcane references.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 16:17, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
    • Bbb, I'm merely looking through a glass darkly, but my uncle is correct in assuming that I could never leave a white flower alone. That this is proposed for deletion is an almost logical consequence of centuries of disrespect for women in romance. I give you the opening passage of a 1950 article:

      Among the many good qualities of Marie de France found in the Lais, one of the most endearing is her feminine attitude and style in a great number of places. Although some of these characteristics are not peculiar to Marie, yet all of them used by her suggest various facets of her personality and add piquancy to the poems. The passages where these womanly touches occur may be divided roughly into stylistic and psychological passages. ^[1]

      And this guy, Woods, was a lecturer at Tulane at the time, and then became associate professor of Romance languages at the University of South Carolina--which is a significant jump in pay and status for someone who was as interested in praising the lovely but delicate ladies as he was in philology. I do not think that User:AllTheUsernamesAreInUse is very up to date on the study of women in medieval literature. I can't blame them for that, or for the poor quality of the article, but it's a fact that these characters are not non-notable, as any quick search in JSTOR will show to those who don't read romance. The ones who do read romance--well, one of them is working on the article. Drmies ( talk) 16:43, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
      • Not quite sure what this discussion is about, but no, I may not be very up-to-date on the study of medieval women in literature. I nominated for anthroponymy reasons, a subject I am quite active in. I will read the new content on Blanchefleur soon. Sorry for any perceived ignorance. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse ( talk) 17:50, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

As we know, M. Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb, Doktoro's quest for youth cred is on-going.

Jada Facer's first YouTube video defines the beginning of the modern era, and Kurt Hugo Schneider has to be the definition of what constitutes modern music. You can see the twain together at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPM6E19Cg8M where they dug up a museum piece, whose marginalia on old records revealed it to be written by some bloke we believe was named "Shakespeare or summat, lad" but whom conspiracy theorists have long asserted to be Bacon and someone only whose first name is known to history, and performed it on modern instruments. The museum piece itself contained references to much earlier works such as the old Latin folk song Redi, Puer, Iterum!, which indeed in its turn can be traced to an earlier Britannic work from a millennium ago.

The same is true here, of course, as history repeats itself; or at least rhymes. It is a good thing that Doktoro is writing this, I hope with the aid of other Lurkers who know the botany, such as The Onion Lady and others. Because if it were me writing about this, it would be just another "In popular culture" article sourced to the writings of people who lived back in the 1900s and who went around saying "SUP!" and suchlike to one another:

Uncle G ( talk) 09:52, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Very interesting, Uncle. I want to have a look at that Robertson article. I was busy with this. Wish my students luck: I'm quizzing them on it, God knows why. Drmies ( talk) 15:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• I was quietly wondering which of the citations would pique your interest the most, and that one did seem the most probable. Interestingly, most people that cite it cite the posthumous book, rather than the original in the ABR. Only a few, like Chauncey Wood who got in early and called it "the definitive treatment of Si linguis angelicis", cite the ABR article. If you want to feel smug, Doktoro, https://www.americanbenedictinereview.org/previous-issues has the entire issue in full. Do not get side-tracked with that article by Dr Oetker about Oswald William Moosmuller that you are forced to scroll through! Uncle G ( talk) 09:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Does she appear in Wolfram's Parzival? Ladyof Shalott 13:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

• I was hoping that you could tell us. Apparently a professor of studying Germans thinks that Doktoro should mention someone named Condwiramurs, and spends a lot of pages making the point. Which I am going to simply ignore wholesale and put in further reading. Studying Germans does not seem like popular culture to me. Uncle G ( talk) 18:06, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
• I also hope that finding a fella with the dinkum name Bruce will distract Doktoro from the temptation to read the professor of studying Germans going on about "the intertextual subversion of Chrétien's narrative" and "chronotopic differentiation" and why Doktoro should not deny dialogic discourse on a priori grounds. Bruce went to Kentucky, once, I read. Uncle G ( talk) 09:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'm a Boniface junkie, so anything that says "Benedictine" on it is of interest to me. I'll have a look, but unfortunately I got a few other things to do today, plus the tediousness of a class evaluation. One used to go in, observe, and write some notes. Now there's a preliminary interview, a 20-part questionnaire before the class, and an evaluative meeting afterwards, followed by the writing up of what will probably be a dozen pages of platitudes. I'm sure we will get evaluated on how we evaluate. Drmies ( talk) 15:33, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

• Ah! Memories of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niggerati. Uncle G ( talk) 18:06, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
• OK Robertson does not disappoint: the master of allegorization struck again. I can't help but wonder about "gastric flatulence" after lovemaking. Still, what a masterful reading, but clearly Walsh wouldn't have any of it; I don't really understand why he restored "Morpheus": Robertson's argument is quite convincing. Drmies ( talk) 15:55, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
  • The Onion Lady's question about tungsten is still pending. Uncle G ( talk) 18:06, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
  • And I apologize for not yet doing my bit and finding a Simpsons reference for you. I tried, and somehow I ended up with some cat named Virgile Reiter, whoever that is. Xe grows Swedes in Paris, or something. Maybe I should try Disney. Yes, that is an idea. Uncle G ( talk) 09:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
    • Apparently, Blanchefleur ~ Condwiramurs. I'm not sure yet if that can be used to help this article. Ladyof Shalott 13:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
      • Ha, that question applies to this entire thread, Lady! Drmies ( talk) 15:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello,
Thanks for rev-del ing that, those were just horrible things for that IP to write, have you considered protection in light of this? Thank you very much! Geardona ( talk to me?) 00:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Why would he need protection? Protection from what? — Python Drink ( talk) 00:30, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

The article, long story, an IP wrote some horrible stuff that they rev-del-ed and blocked the IP, I was asking about the article being protected in addition to this. Geardona ( talk to me?) 00:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

@ Geardona Protection is used only for on going patterns of disruption. This article has not seen any substantial edits for 1.5 years. The IP is blocked so nothing else is required. -- ferret ( talk) 00:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Figured, I will watch out for if they hop IP's Geardona ( talk to me?) 00:51, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Geardona, we're not going to protect an article after one IP vandalizing it, like Ferret said. Just a drive-by racist. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 02:37, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

It's a funny thing, but accounts with "cheese" in the name are always vandals, had you noticed? We might as well block them on sight. Bishonen | tålk 19:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC).

Pretty much, yes. I saw that you had blocked them already, and so I missed out on another five bucks, didn't I. I wonder if five bucks would buy me a triple nut biscuit at the Vissefjärda Café. Drmies ( talk) 19:25, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh, oh, is that the village where Sonja and Siv live? Cornelis refuses to say.

I alla fall så kom jag dit på cykel en kväll

den ställde jag ifrån mig i ett cykelställ.

Sen gick jag in på fiket för att få mig en kopp

och det första jag fick syn på det var Sonjas kropp.

...

Ja, nu lever jag I rosenrött med Sonja och med Siv

och tillsammans har vi hittat på en massa tidsfördriv.

Var afton uppträder jag på deras kafé'

och med denna melodi har vi gjort succé'.

Bishonen | tålk 19:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC).

I don't know--I raced through so quickly I didn't have time to ask. Drmies ( talk) 19:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Over the last couple weeks, I've crossed your path while dealing with a couple vandals/disruptive editors. In each instance, I've found your responses to their actions to be both patient and effective. Thank you for your administrative work–it certainly does not go unnoticed and it does a lot of good. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 22:47, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

• Hey, Pbritti, I appreciate that. And let me return the compliment: when I see your edits I know good things are happening. Take care, Drmies ( talk) 23:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Greetings, Drmies. Thank you for your message. I don't have a conflict of interest as far as I know :). I'm a historian living in Brussels, Belgium. Your further advice is welcome. Kind regards Protalina ( talk) 21:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

• Protalina, my concerns were with the amount of detail. This wouldn't be the first article where we see such relatively small localities being written up with what is really way too much detail. Thank you, Drmies ( talk) 23:18, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

  Drmies, thanks for the feedback. Point fully taken. I'll trim and rein it in. Protalina ( talk) 00:06, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I'm a little confused. Why have you reverted 180.195.85.171's edits? They seem harmless to me. The vast majority of them are simply the addition of the {{ Commons category}} template to various articles' External links sections. Is there something wrong with that? – CopperyMarrow15 ( talk | edits) Feel free to ping me! 23:06, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

• Not the ones I looked at, but they are also evading a block, which my colleague ferret alerted me to. So, per WP:DENY, this is a good candidate for a mass rollback: I'm not going to investigate every single edit and take ownership of it. Besides, if they can't even be bothered to provide an edit summary... Drmies ( talk) 23:10, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
  • I understand that they should be blocked for sockpuppetry, but the edits themselves seem harmless and made in good faith. You speak as though the vast majority of the reverted edits were disruptive and that only a minority of harmless ones got reverted along the way, but that is not the case. I didn't see a single edit that I would consider definitely bad. Did you? They're definitely not among the very best of editors, hence the lack of edit summaries, but I still don't understand the reasoning behind a mass revert. Sorry if I'm missing something. – CopperyMarrow15 ( talk | edits) Feel free to ping me! 23:44, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
    • @ CopperyMarrow15 You're free to make the edits yourself. WP:BANREVERT and WP:DENY is to discourage serial LTAs and sockpuppets. They are blocked/banned for very good reasons, and encouraging them to continue to edit is counter-productive. -- ferret ( talk) 23:56, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
      • I see. Very well. Thanks. – CopperyMarrow15 ( talk | edits) Feel free to ping me! 23:58, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
        • User:CopperyMarrow15, what Ferret is also suggesting, in his their usual kind way, is that these edits were not made in good faith. That's what you are missing. If a blocked editor evades a block, a block that we can assume didn't come out of nowhere, and they evaded that time a few times already, why would we assume that a. their edits are made in good faith and b. their edits are productive? If they can't even explain what they are doing? Ferret and I, and many others, deal with this every day. Drmies ( talk) 02:20, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
          • Interesting. Thanks. I'm still trying to learn, and you both have done well to explain this to me. By the way, Ferret is a she according to her profile here and on Discord. – CopperyMarrow15 ( talk | edits) Feel free to ping me! 02:30, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Three editors are now splitting the article and making massive changes and massive deletions. One of the editors does not leave edit summaries even for massive deletions or massive changes, even though they were reported to ANI 12 days ago for similar behavior on this same article [7]. In my opinion, more eyes need to be on the article and on what is being done. Thank you. I'm tempted to take this to ANI right away because the editor in question is arguing that he doesn't have to explain his edits in edit summaries: Talk:The New York Times#Edit summaries. But I thought I'd stop by here first. Softlavender ( talk) 01:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

@ Softlavender: Please see the discussion at Talk:The New York Times#Getting the article to GA where we're currently working on a plan to bring the article to GA, and eventually FA status. Due to the length of the article, that involves splitting off some extensive content into dedicated sub-articles per summary style.

I do agree however that the current lack of citations in the history section is less than ideal, to put it mildly. The exact structure of the history sub-articles is still under discussion, so I'm not sure why Elijah is removing and transcluding content from them at this time however. Sideswipe9th ( talk) 01:39, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Discussions on articletalk do not preclude explaining every edit in edit summaries, especially when making mass deletions or mass changes, and more especially when doing both at once, and even more especially on a WP:VITAL article, and even moreso when the editor has already been (A) recently taken to ANI about similar behavior on the same article and (B) very recently warned to provide edit summaries, including precise details. Softlavender ( talk) 01:50, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

@ Softlavender: I don't disagree. I do wish Elijah would use edit summaries more consistently and more descriptively, and I find his approach in general here to be not helpful towards the wider GA/FA goal. I was just giving some background to your point about the article splits. Sideswipe9th ( talk) 02:21, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

I've blocked ElijahPepe from the article for a while. I understand what they're trying to do with a very long article, and being bold and all is good, but they need a little more clue about justification, process and collaboration. Acroterion (talk) 02:27, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Acroterion, I see that you just did what I was going to do--though you're the nice one; my partial block was going to be for a month. Softlavender, just for the record, not for you: I would have blocked partially for the things you indicate, and things that are clearly on the record: unexplained edits, unexplained massive edits, uncooperative editing, refusal to clearly engage in communication, and refusal to act in a way that shows that collaborative editing is important. And it is entirely possible (feel free to bring this up at AN, if needs be) that this partial block needs to be extended, if it turns out that other articles are affected by it. Drmies ( talk) 02:28, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, a week might not be enough to get through to them. If you want to make it a month, I'm OK with that. Acroterion (talk) 02:30, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

I hope one day we'll sit somewhere and have coffee and eat pastries, like in some fancy lounge of a fancy New York City hotel. That's what I hope. And that Softlavender will join us. Drmies ( talk) 02:32, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

And maybe the ghost of Dorothy Parker. Acroterion (talk) 02:37, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Acroterion, how is this not a coincidence--I say this, only hours after I posted "What fresh hell is this" on some stupid Facebook video? Drmies ( talk) 02:41, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

It's an evergreen observation, especially where New York and hotel lobbies are concerned.

And that picture at the top of the editing view is going to haunt me now. Acroterion (talk) 02:48, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm beginning to think there may be a CIR issue. Simple language and simple instructions and simple concepts and simple guidelines are not getting through to him, and/or he seems intransigent to the point of immaturity. Softlavender ( talk) 02:34, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Softlavender, far be it from me to play the psychoanalyst on the internet, but... Drmies ( talk) 02:41, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

...but I think you have a point. Did I ever tell you I actually have a Duke shirt? It always kind of looked like a dream school to me. Drmies ( talk) 02:42, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Cheers, doc. Go Blue Devils. I was kind of lost-in-the-mix at Duke till I changed my major from pre-med (organic chemistry will do that to you) to English and History, and then someone invited me to move into the artsy dorm with them (which, perhaps not surprisingly, also turned out to kind of be the gay dorm -- not that I'm gay, but I made quite a few lifelong friends in that very unique artsy-fartsy co-ed, philosophical, eccentric dorm). See y'all at the Algonquin. Softlavender ( talk) 03:16, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Definitely considering most of it. But for now, while New York is definitely on my travel list at some point, if you or Acroterion ever find yourself in Belfast, drop me a buzz and I'll show you the best place in the city for a Guinness, if that takes your fancy :) Sideswipe9th ( talk) 03:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that note there. I appreciate the sentiment, and the discussion you wanted to see happen is actually happening at Josh's talk. I actually thought a lot last night about my level of contribution here both to content and policy, the amount of effort/devotion to the project it has involved, and how big a part of my life it's been. I was rather alarmed by Sideswipe9th's suggestion that the bare observaton that PoV pushers exist and will push PoVs, on both sides of a topic, is "assuming bad faith" about other editors. If that interpretation were actually accepted and enforced, I would have to simply resign on the spot, because it would paint a target on me bigger than Alaska. It is literally not possible for someone involved in WP policy formation or editing any but the most non-controversial topics on the planet to never observe the fact of the existence of PoV pushing. I would probably be nuked within the first day, and I would not give anyone the satisfaction.  —  SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:57, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

User:SMcCandlish, I didn't read anything in that report and did not see that remark; I imagine Sideswipe9th might argue there was a context. I do agree with you, of course, on the ubiquity of POV pushers, in all aspects of the project; the infobox wars come to mind. Some people have too much good faith--I have a colleague with too much of it, to the point where it's meaningless. As a side note, I follow Depthsofwikipedia on Instagram, it's a funny account, and today I saw someone take a swipe at Volunteer Marek, accusing him of pushing an American neoliberal agenda. Such editors, if that person indeed is one, are not the dangerous ones, of course, cause they're obviously crazy. Sideswipe9th, I sure hope to make it to your island before I die, and if I do I will call on you--thanks. Drmies ( talk) 21:16, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

I imagine Sideswipe9th might argue there was a context. Yes, and that context is specific to the circumstances of SMcCandlish as I elaborated in this comment. But I don't want to drag that here, SMcCandlish if you want to discuss that context further away from AE, my talk page is open :)

Drmies, here's hoping you get to make it over. Just, if you do, remember to bring a coat or umbrella. Even our couple of days of summer have a tendency to be wet, though the last couple of years they've also been unbearably warm. Sideswipe9th ( talk) 23:04, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Will do.  —  SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:11, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm Dutch; I can handle some rain. ;) My brother visited Ireland years ago and he loved it. Drmies ( talk) 01:03, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Howdy--hope you're doing well as can be expected in a red state in 2024; at least you don't have Bill Lee as governor. Anyway, I'm hoping to jump back into creating some articles from all of my little red links--just wanted to see if anything sticks out to you because I'm having trouble picking one. All best! Icarus of old ( talk) 15:43, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

• I'm extra careful when I get eggs at the grocery store, yes. Well, I think a Ghanaian folk song should go first! Good luck! Drmies ( talk) 18:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Did you see this [8]? Also commented on at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#bnnbreaking.com_?. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 17:19, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Do me a favor, Gråbergs Gråa Sång, and email the Trust and Safety team real quick. Thanks. Drmies ( talk) 17:21, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Done. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 17:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
  • And they wrote a new article! I quote: "At least five usernames: Drmies, Gråbergs Gråa Sång, David Gerard, Ravensfire, and DanielMichaelPerry. have been linked to negative edits and attempts to lock the BNN Breaking page, effectively controlling the narrative."
  • Ping @ David Gerard, @ Ravensfire and @ DanielMichaelPerry. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 19:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
    • Well that would be the first time I ever got to control a narrative. Drmies ( talk) 19:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
    • At least they got the spelling right! Given the accuracy issues, I'm giving them a big thumbs on for not screwing up everything. Ravensfire ( talk) 20:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
    • and I didn't even comment on the RSN entry! - David Gerard ( talk) 22:56, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
      • David Gerard, I guess you're just special then! Drmies ( talk) 01:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

For some reason, I still have your Sandra's page open alongside ISBN  9780857287427. According to https://www.hngreenphd.com/uploads/1/3/3/7/133742098/stovall_documentarychapter.pdf , by the way, you should go and see a big block of metal at F and D Auto Repair. Uncle G ( talk) 16:48, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• We do have a really bad article on Russian jokes. Interesting document--though I can't easily tell exactly what it is; it's not a dissertation chapter I think. How do you find such stuff? That chunk of metal--I've seen it a time or two, and took a class of students there a few weeks ago. By now it's not about seeing anymore: by now it's time for action, and the city/county should claim that block of metal and give it a prominent place in the city. There was talk of that, a bit, a year or two ago, but nothing's happened yet. Not one of those blocks have been claimed. Drmies ( talk) 17:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Doktoro, you have been running the English Professor Vacuum for years now, and you have never changed the dust filters. The amount of static charge that has built up at this point not only makes my hair stand on end similar to this, but it also pulls in to my Bing searches not-English flotsam and jetsam such as Scottish professors of Russian jokes, writing papers for a July 2000 conference on Russian jokes held at the institute for Russian jokes. And, oddly, drawing pins. Uncle G ( talk) 18:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
  • The existence of Top Secret Portable Documents about the deaths of soldiers in the upload section of that WWW site, I can only attribute to WikiLeaks, as nothing on the WWW site points to them that I can find. Hilary N. Green 'blogs about mustard but no longer associates with professors in Alabarmy, so maybe xe does not know and should be told about Top Secret Portable Documents appearing to the world on that WWW site. Uncle G ( talk) 10:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

	The Special Barnstar
	For your edits on cleaning up the Academy of Allied Health & Science article. Thank you! My Pants Metal ( talk) 13:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

• Sure thing, My Pants Metal--I simply followed your lead. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 13:41, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

story · music · places

Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:17, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to Seiji Ozawa. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:45, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@ Gerda Arendt: Music, something I know a little more about than literature. The Tchaikovsky song is lovely. However, I'm a bit confused about the Kelsey Lauritano article you created. It says in the lead that she's "Japanese-American", and her website, along with a bunch of other bios from places where she's sung or been repeat it, but there is no support in the article for the dual nationality. I assume one or both of her parents is/was Japanese? That needs to be mentioned along with a source for it.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 16:30, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Give me one and I use it. If she doesn't know who would? - I haven't yet added Suzuki to her achievements: very authentic and lovely. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Forgive me, but that's not how it works. Such a claim has to be supported by a reliable source. I would even stretch it to self-sourced (her website) if on the website it provides something that supports the claim, but she has almost no personal biographical data on her site. Unrelated question: why on earth does her homepage look like that of a sex kitten? Is that what PR people recommend to young classical singers these days? Stupid.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 16:45, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Bbb23, I went to check it out because, you know--but indeed, what an odd photo. Drmies ( talk) 13:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Listen to music from Ukraine if you like, - I heard it in 2022, and the November concert (at a different church) raised a truckload of winter clothes. My story today is also from my life: I heard the singer in 3 of the 4 mentioned musical items. I sang in yesterday's. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:46, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

• I'm not exactly sure what I'm listening to, Gerda Arendt, but I'm listening. Drmies ( talk) 13:28, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
• OK parts of it are really touching. The song where they're pretending to do trumpets is hilarious. Drmies ( talk) 13:50, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you for listening! They had to arrange many pieces because 2 altos and men are a "cruel" ensemble, but the other women had to stay with their families because their husbands were drafted --- more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:42, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Howdy. Concerning the related discussions at List of presidents of the United States & Joe Biden. I'm hoping the editor's pushing of Biden is the 45th not 46th US president argument, is partially a WP:CIR issue & not a self-entertainment one. GoodDay ( talk) 17:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Drmies. I think 98.30.252.213 is Scurvy Sevi. Quick transition on Anne Hathaway's page (constant filth). Bringingthewood ( talk) 01:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oh, we know who it is-- Acroterion does too. Thanks--we're on it. Drmies ( talk) 01:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

LOL, I love the tone in that message! You got it and thank you. - Bringingthewood ( talk) 01:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2024).

Guideline and policy news

• Phase I of the 2024 RfA review is now open for participation. Editors are invited to review, comment on, and propose improvements to the requests for adminship process.
• Following an RfC, the inactivity requirement for the removal of the interface administrator right increased from 6 months to 12 months.

Technical news

• The mobile site history pages now use the same HTML as the desktop history pages. ( T353388)

Miscellaneous

• The 2024 appointees for the Ombuds commission are だ＊ぜ, AGK, Ameisenigel, Bennylin, Daniuu, Doǵu, Emufarmers, Faendalimas, MdsShakil, Minorax, Nehaoua, Renvoy and RoySmith as members, with Vermont serving as steward-observer.
• Following the 2024 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: Ajraddatz, Albertoleoncio, EPIC, JJMC89, Johannnes89, Melos and Yahya.

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Z1720 ( talk) 00:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I am suspecting 197.132.164.199 as a block evasion sock, is there a way to stop this guy from block evading? AlphaBetaGamma ( Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

• No. Well you could kill him, but that's not legal, and I don't believe in the death penalty. Don't revert--just report at AIV or on IRC. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 03:36, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Dear Drmies: I kindly ask for help from you and/or your friendly talk-page watchers to take a look the contributions from User:Hichem872642, including at the Teahouse a couple of weeks ago. I am under a lot of IRL stress right now (capped off by the Sierra storm this past weekend that ripped off much of the outer layer of my roof! At least it wasn't a tornado! But still!) and I recognize that their invocation of the word "engaging" in their most recent response to me on their talk page is something I can't constructively respond to right now. I am grateful for Wikipedia not requiring me to be being "assigned to a case" so I can turn it over to others for multiple opinions. Thanks so much. Hope all is well. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 22:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Each of their edits to three articles, Apple sauce, Negimaki, and Coffee cake, share a similar tone reminding me of a Food Network, Public Television cooking show or a food advert. Definitely not an encyclopedic tone. I can see why Julietdeltalima suspected an AI was involved, though the user denies using AI. And two other editors posted notes on Hichem872642's Talk page about their edits, so it's definitely not something only Julietdeltalima is seeing. My hope is that these represent growing pains for this new editor of two weeks' tenure. Anyone else care to weigh on with suggestions for steering them right? Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 22:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the next thing to do is ask the editor why they flipped the tortoise on its back. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I only wish AI had come a few years later--closer to my retirement from teaching. I dread teaching online classes now, for instance. Drmies ( talk) 15:45, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Would be nice if they combined the plagiarism and AI detector into a single action. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:55, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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Remember that article? Again being inexorably fattened up. An organ donor! 25 books, wonderful reviews! I've just removed a few bits. Bishonen | tålk 22:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC).

Such an odd edit for an account created 6 November 2023 with two edits, both 5 March 2024, one to the Yanklowitz article as Bish describes and one to Mexican cuisine with vast overlinking, since reverted by another editor. The methods are inscrutable, the proof is irrefutable - there's no tellin' where the money went. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 22:27, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

NOOOO. Lemme guess. Young Jewish guy, did a thing or two--is he blondish and curlish? I don't even want to look at it. Drmies ( talk) 02:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

OK I was wrong about the curls. Drmies ( talk) 02:11, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Drmies,

I was hoping you could give me your perspective on a new editor, Fhektii. They have been editing for a couple of weeks, less than 200 edits and today they spend lots of time draftifying articles because of suspected "UPE". This just doesn't seem like an activity a new editor would even know about or spend time on much less know that we identify it by "UPE". I have asked them about any previous accounts they might have used but I rarely get a reply to that query.

I'm not asking for any phishing but I'm hoping since you've been doing this longer than I that you could give me your opinion on whether this is a returning editor or just a precocious, helpful new editor. Many thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

( talk page stalker) They've been blocked by Ponyo: User_talk:Fhektii#Previous_accounts. Your concerns were right on, apparently. Cheers! Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 00:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Geoff,

Thanks for the update. I don't think many people review the Move log but I see questionable behavior there on a daily basis. Moving articles and drafts around seems to be one of the first things that editors try out after they are auto-confirmed and it is often an early tell-tale sign of a returning editor. Right now, there is a newer editor who moves dozens of articles each day that I have suspicions about but without CU goggles, I can only keep an eye on them as they seem like good faith editing. I try not to come to User talk pages for CUers unless I'm fairly positive as phishing is discouraged. But draftifying main space articles for UPE reasons is just not something a new editor would even know about and I saw Drmies was active today so I came here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Liz--I'll cop to "present" but not necessarily to "active". Please feel free to make a case for me putting my glasses on any time. Drmies ( talk) 02:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Barkeep49 ( talk) 15:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)