Joy, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable
New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Abishe (
talk) 14:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:ANI has more than the usual number of attacks by new or unregistered editors against established editors. Welcome to a strange club. Some of them have been blocked. Your enemy hasn't yet been blocked.
Robert McClenon (
talk) 22:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi Joy, thanks for the update on Lord Cameron, which I'll be subscribing to. I was just wondering what you thought about the statistics for
King Charles and whether another move request might be justified now or a little later down the line. All the best, ‑‑
Neveselbert (
talk·contribs·email) 17:06, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Neveselbert thanks for the note. That's an interesting case as well, because it might be indicating that the current formatting might be causing about a thousand misclicks a month? :) We can't be sure, but sure looks like it. Either way, if we combine those two, it's still 4.62k out of 8.2k, which is ~56%, so ~44% of the readers either aren't looking for the current British monarch or couldn't identify him from that list. This is so still much reader traffic that it would probably be worth the effort to try to experiment a bit. Maybe putting him on top of that list might change this? Maybe extending his caption to indicate something like "former Prince of Wales" would be helpful? Maybe a common meanings section on top of it everything? --
Joy (
talk) 17:50, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I would have done that Charlemagne change in a separate edit, but sure. Since we're now in the middle of February, the first month where we see the full impact of the change will be March, so let's check back in mid April after the stats regenerate. --
Joy (
talk) 10:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Neveselbert I actually followed up at
Talk:Lord Cameron already - it actually subsided a bit from the initial spike. Given the downward trend, I'd track that one for a couple more months to make sure. I'll have a look at the other one. --
Joy (
talk) 18:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Neveselbert in each of those cases there were organized discussions, using the
WP:RM system. They were both somewhat contentious, so regardless of what you and I observe now, if substantial changes were to be made, they should be made using the same organized discussion process anyway so that interested people are notified in a consistent manner, as a means of following the
WP:CONS policy. --
Joy (
talk) 07:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hamm
Thanks for sorting out most of the incoming links :)
🌺 Cremastra (
talk) 14:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Cremastra I actually only did a few, I think you should thank
Onel5969 :) --
Joy (
talk) 14:56, 18 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Why a /28 block?
I must confess I never even knew
Croatian kuna existed, much less had any thoughts of editing it, so it's not as if it'll really affect me. But all the same, why did you block the entire 2603:800* range from the article, when from looking at its history only a single /64 range (
2603:8001:b202:3294:*) was the one editing the article? (For context, the /28 range includes 68 billion other /64 addresses (and thus devices) besides the one actually causing you problems.)
2603:8001:4542:28FB:13D:3E61:A292:EAAC (
talk) 14:23, 19 February 2024 (UTC) (Send talk messages
here)reply
Hello and dobry den , I am the granddaughter of Jan Smudek - thankyou for this Information - I’d love to know more and add some things ! jsem Katuš Young , vnučka Jana Smudka . Děkuji za přidání této informace. Rád bych k tomu někdy přidal další! A pokud o něm máte nějaké další informace, budu rád, když se o ně podělíte, Dekuji, Katuš
Katuš young (
talk) 16:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Croatian kuna blocked user now vandalising Ryan Bang
Hi. You blocked
this IP from
Croatian kuna; they have now begun to vandalise
Ryan Bang. Not sure if this is relevant to you, but thought I would highlight just in case.
BobEret (he/him) (
talk) 23:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello, I'm
Qwerfjkl (bot). I have automatically detected that
this edit performed by you, on the page
Sofronije Podgoričanin, may have introduced referencing errors. They are as follows:
A "
bare URL and
missing title" error. References show this error when they do not have a title. Please edit the article to add the appropriate title parameter to the reference. (
Fix |
Ask for help)
@
Aleksamil you're saying we need to restrict their edits to draft space again? --
Joy (
talk) 18:54, 28 February 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Joy Oh, I thought they were banned back then from all namespaces. Idk what the course of action in cases like this should be, honestly. I haven't really seen this behavior before.
The articles they're churning out are usually egregiously violating
WP:NPOV, and I think it's safe to say they're consciously refusing to communicate with the community.
Aleksamil (
talk) 19:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Oh yeah, the block was set to a year and it expired since. If there's been no apparent change in pattern, I'll just extend the blocks again. --
Joy (
talk) 19:43, 28 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Bludgeon?
FWIW, I don't agree with the charge (especially as the roles could easily have be reversed
). It seems perfectly reasonable to me for the proponent to offer rebuttal to points made against the motion – and conversely. To me, bludgeoning would be to just say the same thing over and over, no matter what points were made. I doubt that this will escalate but if it does, do please let me know as I will be very happy to lend my support.
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
talk) 12:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
JMF thank you for your kind words! I agree, we are merely having a polite disagreement, and the consensus-building process is not being disrupted, or rather there was little to explain an alternate interpretation of how the discussion is going. Certainly a volume of comments can be an indicator of a problem, and goodness knows I can be verbose, but still, I think this is still a quality discussion. In either case, I don't hold a single such charge against the commenter, I've seen people throw around potentially inflammatory wiki-lingo in various situations before :) --
Joy (
talk) 13:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dekimasu I don't know if you were closing this arbitrarily today, or with the explicit intent of preventing an escalation of a disruptive discussion, but either way, I would appreciate it if you could share with us a bit more about why
Talk:Maus#Requested move 11 February 2024 was ready to be closed. --
Joy (
talk) 13:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I thought perhaps the most telling point made is that on the one hand we have a Pulitzer-winning novel and featured article; on the other we have a unit that never saw service. We don't count !votes but the majority is clear for no change. I struggle to understand why you would consider that Dekimasu might consider it likely that any substantive new point will be added at this stage. Why prolong the agony?
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
talk) 14:23, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm mainly worried about this impression is that we ended on a bit of a low note, with this accusation of impropriety, a couple of new !votes without much comment and the close without much explanation all coming in the same day. I don't know about the potential for new points to be raised, but it didn't strike me that anyone was really agonizing there. --
Joy (
talk) 14:36, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the message on my talk, since I didn't receive the ping. This was my first visit to the page, and I arrived there directly from the backlog section of
WP:RM. I read the full discussion and closed it normally. If I thought there were particular problems with the behavior of editors in the discussion, I would have mentioned that in the close. As far as the strength of individual arguments, less is usually more when writing a close; mentioning specific points often makes editors feel less heard rather than more. A "no consensus" close in this type of discussion is often awkward, since it is a place where our standard processes point to different solutions: "no consensus" usually retains the status quo, but "no consensus" that there is a primary topic means a disambiguation page would be better at the base title. In this case, I read the discussion as a consensus (though not unanimous) on the question of whether there was a primary topic with regard to significance, and a consensus (though a weaker one) on the question of whether there was a primary topic according to usage. It's possible that closers visiting the page earlier in the discussion may have thought more time was needed in order for a clear consensus to emerge and avoid the scenario mentioned above, but I saw a consensus in a backlogged discussion when I came to the page. I hope this explanation is sufficient. Best,
Dekimasuよ! 04:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Croatian wikipedia
Hello Joy, can this page be edited better, so many things are written incorrectly here, look at my edits of this page, but some users do not agree with it. They write that it says that it is the past tense, but it doesn't say that it is the same today, which confuses the readers. Thank you. I won't edit anymore if you can improve it.[
[1]]
78.1.143.81 (
talk) 16:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Estopedist1 they are only blocked from one particular page. If you think there is reason to block this IP address from other areas of Wikipedia, please start a thread at
WP:ANI to explain why. --
Joy (
talk) 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Dear anonymous user from 2603:8001:B202:3294::/64, do you understand why you were blocked? Please also see
Wikipedia:Appealing a block. --
Joy (
talk) 09:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Can you please reduce the block or at least try to give me another chance to edit the article? I'll promise that I won't do any vandalism.
2603:8001:B202:3294:1E9:2C20:D1BF:CD23 (
talk) 17:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Croat-Bosniak War result dispute
Ok so, I messaged you about this since I figured you would know, you do work with these types of pages (im assuming), so here is this question:
How did the
Croat–Bosniak War end? Was it because of a Bosnian victory or because it ended by the
Washington Agreement? I am saying this because two users are disputing about how the war ended (I'm not naming). I personally think the agreement ended the war, but one person says it is a Bosnian victory, while another says the agreement ended it.
If you could message me back and tell me your opinion, that'd be great. If a talk page discussion should be added, let me know.
Hi. Piped links through redirects is not the same thing as redirect links.
WP:NOTBROKEN does not apply to links that are already justifiably piped; in piped links, the linked name should always be the exact name of the target so the reader is led to the page not through a redirect but directly. This is because piping through a redirect complicates things unnecessarily for the reader who then gets a message that they were led to the article from a term that they did not even see because it was hidden in the pipe. Otherwise, for the reader, the difference is imperceptible, and the markup is technically equivalent insofar as piping is used in both cases. NOTBROKEN is about avoiding unnecessary piping. It's either-or: Redirect link or piped link, but not piping through a redirect. —
Alalch E. 10:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Bajamonti "last Italian mayor"
Yes, sorry, you're right, it was my mistake. Hi, --
LukeWiller (
talk) 21:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC).reply