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DoubleGrazing (
talk) 10:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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Hello Thisasia. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.
Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.
Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the
Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at
User:Thisasia. The template {{
Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Thisasia|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message.
331dot (
talk) 10:44, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Please I'm not being paid nor compensate for my edit, I'm only here as a volunteer contributor, Thanks
Thisasia (
talk) 10:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- You took a picture of this musician. How did you do this without a connection to him?
331dot (
talk) 10:55, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well I'm his fan and he is my idol, I'm too small to be noticed.
Thisasia (
talk) 11:05, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- So you did actually take the picture of him with your camera? Did you take
this picture too?
331dot (
talk) 11:09, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Sir to clarify your doubts, I didn't took those picture with my camera, as I do clarified it on wikimedia common. It was a collaborative work, the original owner aren't bound by any copyright. Thanks.
Thisasia (
talk) 11:36, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- This is not sufficient. If you did not take the images, you cannot claim them as your own personal work. If someone released the images for use on Wikipedia by anyone for any purpose, you need to put the proper copyright notice- which must include where the copyright is displayed- and not claim them as your own personal work. You must immediately either fix this situation or request deletion of the images.
- Be aware that images are not relevant to the draft approval process, which only considers the text and sources. Images can wait until the draft is accepted and placed in the encyclopedia. 331dot ( talk) 11:43, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- I also assume that the original copyright holder is either the photographer or a representative of the musicians. If so, then you must declare an unpaid
conflict of interest.
331dot (
talk) 11:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well I don't know much about his overall relationship with the musician, hence i need your help for that, I'm aren't much familiar on this unpaid COI thanks.
Thisasia (
talk) 12:33, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's up to you as the uploader to figure out where you are getting the images from and that you are properly uploading them.
- How did you know to contact the copyright holder for permission without knowing their relationship?
331dot (
talk) 12:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- my point was for you to help me on how I will disclose unpaid conflict of interest on my page as you mentioned above.
- Of course i did contact the owner before using his work but some personal questions aren't polite to ask as many people will feel it as an investigations. Thisasia ( talk) 12:50, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well I don't know much about his overall relationship with the musician, hence i need your help for that, I'm aren't much familiar on this unpaid COI thanks.
Thisasia (
talk) 12:33, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Sir to clarify your doubts, I didn't took those picture with my camera, as I do clarified it on wikimedia common. It was a collaborative work, the original owner aren't bound by any copyright. Thanks.
Thisasia (
talk) 11:36, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- So you did actually take the picture of him with your camera? Did you take
this picture too?
331dot (
talk) 11:09, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well I'm his fan and he is my idol, I'm too small to be noticed.
Thisasia (
talk) 11:05, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- You took a picture of this musician. How did you do this without a connection to him?
331dot (
talk) 10:55, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Please do not use styles that are nonstandard, unusual, inappropriate or difficult to understand in articles, as you did in
BoyNextDoor. There is a
Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. Thank you. — 🧧🍊
Paper9oll 🍊🧧 (
🔔 •
📝) 10:50, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: Taesan (February 17)
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- Please I'd like to ask about the article notability you mentioned because on Taesan page I added so many inline citation from different Rs. Please may I know any Rs I haven't added?
- Please I'm asking as I'm here as a volunteer contributor. It tooks me a bit longer to learn how to edit Wikipedia as a new contributor. Thanks. Thisasia ( talk) 11:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Thisasia. We
welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things
you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a
conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the
conflict of interest guideline and
FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:
- avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
- propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{ edit COI}} template);
- disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI);
- avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming);
- do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.
In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.
Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. 331dot ( talk) 12:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
You have not yet disclosed your conflict of interest as instructed. You must do this very soon, with one of your next edits. I have further noted that you are writing about many members of bands but a member of a band only merits a standalone article if they have a significant solo career(like Paul McCartney after his time with The Beatles). You haven't demonstrated this with Li Ziting, though you say it's true. 331dot ( talk) 08:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello 331dot i indeed haven't known yet how to do so now as I'm still new on wiki still reading to familiarise myself. But you promised that you'd guide me on this talk page.
- Yeah the musician Li Ziting is already a solo artist since her band disbanded on 2020. I will try & disclose all these, including her Achievement|Award before resubmitting.
- I know it might be unconvincing for one to be consuming his time here to write on wiki. But I believe that one doesn't need to get any special treatments in order to write about the people he appreciates and things he loves. These are are just my hobbies as does it in my leisure time. Thanks.
Thisasia (
talk) 09:22, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- This portion of the policy explains how to disclose. 331dot ( talk) 09:27, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Question
331dot, what exactly is the COI concern here? From the looks of it, Thisasia appears to be a fan of these singers, with no personal or professional relationship, and that alone shouldn't be regarded as COI. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 09:44, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- They claimed images of the musicians they write about as their own personal work, and later said that they communicated with the copyright holder to get them to release the images- which is a relationship.
331dot (
talk) 11:18, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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Asking copyright holders to donate material is something Wikipedia contributors
have long been encouraged to do. Not all communication constitutes COI. Maybe you doubt Thisasia's claims, but I don't see anything wrong if their later explanation is true. Anyway, the problem, from what I see, is that you've instructed them to make an empty COI declaration that doesn't actually show any COI, which is what confused me and led me here in the first place. If there is an actual COI it needs to be more clearly explained. --
Paul_012 (
talk) 11:42, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- As I said the initial trigger for my questions was the fact that they claimed the images they uploaded as their own personal work- which is usually a big red flag for a COI or paid editing especially when editing about musicians. WP:COI states "Any external relationship can trigger a conflict of interest." If communication with someone regarding editing an article/draft about them isn't a COI- that's interesting to me, as then I wonder what would be, but okay. Is the copyright information with the image considered sufficient to disclose such a thing?
- Perhaps they are just so much of a fan that it just appears as if they have a COI(something common that I see)- but even if they have no COI, they are editing very promotionally(and have yet to have a draft accepted).
331dot (
talk) 12:06, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- I just checked the photo uploads, which are screen captures from Pinterest videos. I've nominated them all for deletion at Commons. From my reading, it looks like the person they contacted was just another fan who edited the videos and put them on Pinterest. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 12:34, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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Asking copyright holders to donate material is something Wikipedia contributors
have long been encouraged to do. Not all communication constitutes COI. Maybe you doubt Thisasia's claims, but I don't see anything wrong if their later explanation is true. Anyway, the problem, from what I see, is that you've instructed them to make an empty COI declaration that doesn't actually show any COI, which is what confused me and led me here in the first place. If there is an actual COI it needs to be more clearly explained. --
Paul_012 (
talk) 11:42, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thisasia, I removed your COI notice since you don't actually have one- perhaps there is a language/cultural barrier here- but you did improperly use the images. You cannot use screen captures from social media, especially if they are made by other fans.
331dot (
talk) 12:47, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ 331dot Oww thanks, indeed, what I wasn't really sure was if he is actually a fan or the original owner of the work. Well the uploaded photos have been already nominated for mass-deletions by @ Paul 012 and i welcomed that. I will properly upload any future photos with the rightful licence henceforth. Thanks. Thisasia ( talk) 20:14, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: Li Ziting (February 19)
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Can you tell me what this is all about? Is all of this just to indicate that you are, like, online? Because those are mighty long edit summaries, and I'm trying to find the mainspace edits. Drmies ( talk) 01:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello sir! Well the moment you sent this message or when you patrolled my account was when I was working on my
User:Thisasia/common.js which will automate my status whenever I changed it. Hence the edit summary have been updated on my javascript Thanks.
Thisasia (
talk) 01:20, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- From my user dashboard, my status changes will be done automatically whenever I just click either 'online, offline, sleeping and busy' and it will also update my user page automatically including with automated edit summary, Thanks.
Thisasia (
talk) 01:41, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Why not leave the disclaimer in an HTML comment
<!-- Like this -->
- Or the summary could include a link to a permalink(or just a link) to an explanation. Multiple possibilities –
2804:F1...C5:945B (
talk) 07:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- hello, I'm not very clear about your point but I definitely provide an auto edit summary that states about the status change of all time both for the
UserCurrentStatus and my own status as well.
Thisasia (Talk) 08:44, 27 March 2024 (UTC)- Well, just like Drmies I think your automatic edit summaries are pretty long - so I was just suggesting a way for you to have the disclaimer saying
"Please note: this is not a manual edit. This was an automated edit, done using my Thisasia/common.js, this will occur whenever i update my online-status through an auto click on my user dashboard, Thanks."
without needing to have it be in the edit summary itself. - That is, you could have it just say the status in the summary and have a link to an explanatory post (or the HTML comment in the diff I suggested).
- My question, was, "why not?" As in, what do you think of the idea? –
2804:F1...C5:945B (
talk) 10:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- well you should note that this is a status change Transclusion meaning that you will see almost nothing in my user page when u go to the edit terminal.
- secondly no one will have to always open my page edit terminal in order to see the disclaimer comment.
- Thirdly, this status was programmed with javascript hence an auto edit summary is a must because you won't have an option to manually write an edit summary when you changed your status.
- And lastly, @ Drmies question was when I was still working on the edit summary and not because of the current summary.
- Well I appreciate your suggestion about the long summary hence I may look for a shorter way to simply them. Cheers 🥂
Thisasia (Talk) 11:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well, just like Drmies I think your automatic edit summaries are pretty long - so I was just suggesting a way for you to have the disclaimer saying
- hello, I'm not very clear about your point but I definitely provide an auto edit summary that states about the status change of all time both for the
UserCurrentStatus and my own status as well.
- Or the summary could include a link to a permalink(or just a link) to an explanation. Multiple possibilities –
2804:F1...C5:945B (
talk) 07:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Why not leave the disclaimer in an HTML comment
- From my user dashboard, my status changes will be done automatically whenever I just click either 'online, offline, sleeping and busy' and it will also update my user page automatically including with automated edit summary, Thanks.
Hello Thisasia,
I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Xu Ruo Han for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a namespace that's not for articles.
If you don't want Xu Ruo Han to be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.
You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!
Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.
- MPGuy2824 ( talk) 11:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: Li Ziting (Mimi Lee) (March 13)
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- @ DoubleGrazing please may I ask if checked other source? The Whosamp, Rate your music was English source used mainly for her music reference, which is why I mostly included more than one source for her music work, please can you go and search each an every music that you said is unreliable on Google and you will see countless music source that has it?
- Secondly I never used Baidu for reference, rather I only used it as an external link mostly for company profile that is not on Wikipedia.
- The highlighted sources you mentioned was never used to Cite for her Biography. I provided countless reliable both in local news and blogs for her Biography, all where mostly in both chinese and Thai. Hence I wonder maybe you may find it difficult to translate them.
Li Ziting is a Thai-chinese celebrity and not worldwide, hence her references sources aren't in English but Thai and chinese. Thanks
Thisasia (
talk) 17:56, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't need to check all the other sources. I'm not saying that none of the sources are reliable; I'm saying that two are deprecated and another few are non-reliable, meaning that the content apparently supported by those sources is not appropriately referenced. And this is in addition to the content which is not supported at all (I count at least five paragraphs without a single citation). Per
WP:BLP, articles on living people have strict referencing requirements, so if you cannot find reliable sources with which to support the information, then such information must be removed. --
DoubleGrazing (
talk) 18:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ DoubleGrazing Sorry i have opened the Afc discussion before realising your reply.
- But according to you, you didn't check other source then
- how do you determin that the bio source provided are unreliable ?
Thisasia (
talk) 18:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- You're missing the point. You're citing sources which must not be cited. Either find better ones, or remove whatever information those sources are supporting.
- And aside that, you must support the draft comprehensively; you cannot have multiple paragraphs without any referencing, that is simply not acceptable in a BLP. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 19:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't need to check all the other sources. I'm not saying that none of the sources are reliable; I'm saying that two are deprecated and another few are non-reliable, meaning that the content apparently supported by those sources is not appropriately referenced. And this is in addition to the content which is not supported at all (I count at least five paragraphs without a single citation). Per
WP:BLP, articles on living people have strict referencing requirements, so if you cannot find reliable sources with which to support the information, then such information must be removed. --
DoubleGrazing (
talk) 18:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
AfC notification: Draft:Li Ziting (Mimi Lee) has a new comment
Hey there! While I admire the work it must have taken to design your new signature, there are a handful of things that appear problematic with it. First and foremost, I recommend you at least skim through Wikipedia:Signatures. Per that page, you may not have images in your signature, generally shouldn't have anything moving, must limit the length of the signature code to 255 characters, and should not use a template to transclude your signature. These are all pretty firm rules, so I'd advise you to look over them and make some changes.
On another note, I've noticed your live-updating status. While this one isn't as much of a problem, it's important to keep in mind that
Wikipedia has no deadline, and as such, the live statuses of individual editors typically aren't very important. I've been in pretty much exactly the same situation you're in now, and another editor kindly pointed out these rules to me, so I feel I should pass along that good deed. In
his words, I'll say that I've had
productive conversations unfold
over the course of years, so I recommend that you not worry too much about alerting people to your hour-to-hour status. I know there are some hard-working people here who need to be reliably reachable because they're engaged in arbitration or mediation or whatnot, but mostly Wikipedia is a project with a distant horizon, and that's one of the things I find most beautiful about it.
I hope this helps you a little and you can grow further now that you're aware of these rules and ideas—I really don't want to discourage you from contributing, and I hope this is simply a learning opportunity. If you have any questions at all, I'm always here and happy to help. Reach out literally anytime, and I'll do my best to answer your questions. 🫶 Bsoyka ( t • c • g) 01:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ Bsoyka Oow thanks very much for the information, and I have just red that and learnt, very much appreciated. Hope this one is okay?👇
Thisasia (Talk) 01:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi bro @
Bsoyka, i have reduced it to just 235 characters, I hope is okay now?
Thisasia
(Talk) 02:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'd probably take out some of the extra spaces/lines, like this:
<i style='padding:5px;box-shadow:0 0 1px 1px #ffffff,0 0 2.5px 2.5px rgba(0,0,0,0.16);'>[[User:Thisasia|<i style='color:darkblue;font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;'>Thisasia</i>]] [[User talk:Thisasia|(Talk)]]</i>. Also, make sure you actually set your signature in Special:Preferences rather than substituting it from a template every time. (I think that's what you're doing, but correct me if I'm wrong.) This makes signing easier for you (you just type ~~~~ to sign) and ensures you can send notifications. Bsoyka ( t • c • g) 02:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'd probably take out some of the extra spaces/lines, like this:
- Hi bro @
Bsoyka, i have reduced it to just 235 characters, I hope is okay now?
Thisasia
(Talk) 02:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
I looked at your almost three thousand edits in Module:Module sandbox, and the almost 1200 edits in your sandbox (one of them), the over 600 edits in your common.jss, the 375 edits in your status, and your 19 edits in article space. What actually are you trying to do on Wikipedia? Drmies ( talk) 04:17, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi sir @
Drmies currently I'm working on a Template as you can see on my sandbox, the module sandbox is also where I'm creating codes that will run the template, as the sandboxes is the only right place to carry out any project test before bringing it in their main namespace. Please is there anything I'm not doing right? Thanks.
Thisasia (Talk) 04:28, 27 April 2024 (UTC)