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According to the Constitution of Ukraine, the only state language in Ukraine is Ukrainian. In May 2019, a law was passed to ensure the functioning of the Ukrainian language as the state language. Thus, there is currently only one single state language in Ukraine. Currently, only the Ukrainian language is used in the work of state and local authorities. The Russian language had a regional status in accordance with the law on the principles of state language policy and decisions of local governments of the respective regions. But at the moment, the law on the principles of state language policy has been declared unconstitutional, and the decisions of local governments have been declared invalid by the courts.
Given the lack of any status of the Russian language in Ukraine, the presentation of the name of the country in Russian in the article is inappropriate.
Please remove the name of the country in Russian. Severo Joy Krzyżaniwski ( talk) 09:54, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Again, we have departed from the essence of the discussion. The question is not whether some Ukrainians speak Russian, or the fact that the Russian language is widespread in Ukraine. The question is that the very fact of mentioning the name of the country in the article is not logical regarding the rules and customs of Wikipedia itself. Because based on the same, the question arises why the articles on other countries do not give the names of these countries in other languages, which are also widely represented there. Articles about the United States do not give the name of the country in Spanish, and articles about post-Soviet countries, such as Moldova, the Baltic republics, and the Transcaucasian republics, do not name these countries in Russian. This is not logical. I suggested a normal solution to this problem. Remove the title in Russian, instead create a paragraph in the introduction to the article on languages in Ukraine and their role in Ukrainian culture. Severo Joy Krzyżaniwski ( talk) 21:59, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Information on the use of Ukrainian and Russian in Ukraine https://prostirsvobody.org/news/0/550/?fbclid=IwAR2Hh0LTtHWqn6okCpzfvQvrTK8bv5Vv_iwbtzAU7JYQ2_QPnfGJfT3ra_o Severo Joy Krzyżaniwski ( talk) 22:08, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
This is nonsense! In Ukraine, there is only one official language - Ukrainian, so the name should be duplicated ONLY in Ukrainian!!!!! WTF?! Yaroslav Dolishniak ( talk) 23:11, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:UkraineNativeLanguagesCensus2001detailed-en.png#mw-jump-to-license Yaroslav Dolishniak ( talk) 23:00, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
I don’t see any arguments above, pro or con, that refer to Wikipedia’s actual guidelines. It doesn’t matter much whether Russian is official, or protected, or widely spoken in Ukraine (it’s spoken by proportionately more people in
Belarus,
Latvia, and
Estonia, by the way).
MOS:LEADLANG is the guide: If the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name can be included in the lead sentence, usually in parentheses.
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Українською мовою за новим законом, мають обов'язково розмовляти тільки в офіційних установах, в інших місцях будь-якою — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.92.30.215 ( talk) 19:54, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Ukranian langauge per the the new law is mandatory only in offical contexts in other places [any langauge is permited]—blindlynx ( talk) 03:13, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Until October 22, 1721, Russia was called Muscovy, so it is incorrect to use the name Russia until 1721 https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Московія https://sites.google.com/site/kozeletsveterinarylibrary/citalna-zala/istoricna-dovidka/ak-bula-vkradena-rus
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Can somebody add this to the WW2 part of the page.
На території України окупанти спалили разом із мешканцями 250 сіл. У 230 концтаборах і гетто, а також в інших місцях масового знищення від рук нацистів загинуло 5,5 млн людей. Близько 2,5 млн полягло на фронтах. З 2,8 млн людей, яких гітлерівці вивезли до Німеччини з СРСР для роботи на промислових підприємствах і в сільському господарстві, близько 2,4 млн осіб були з України. Втрати українського народу у війні становлять 40-44% від загальних втрат СРСР.
What I want to add at the end of the WW2 part of the page. (The losses of the Ukrainian people in the war amounted to 40-44% of the total losses of the USSR.) Thelostone41 ( talk) 15:06, 9 May 2021 (UTC) http://usva.org.ua/mambo3/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2558&Itemid=60 Thelostone41 ( talk) 15:06, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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Can somebody add this to the WW2 part of the page.
(The losses of the Ukrainian people in the war amounted to 40-44% of the total losses of the USSR.)
http://usva.org.ua/mambo3/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2558&Itemid=60 Thelostone41 ( talk) 14:39, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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Given here as 2020 estimate $10,310. According to indicated source (IMF) this should be rather around $13,500. See also List of countries by GDP (PPP). Please check. Oalexander ( talk) 05:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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Change Judaism, Muslims and Hinduism to Judaism, Islam and Hinduism 2601:48:4400:8A90:AC6F:1E46:CE45:37B9 ( talk) 19:24, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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In "courts and law enforcement" section Ukrainian police is still called Міліція, even though it was renamed to National Police of Ukraine in 2015. Please change it to its current name. -- Tuirse ( talk) 22:14, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Actually, Ukraine has 3 official languages. Ukrainian is only official at all regions except AR of Crimea. There are russian and crimean tatar languages official.
Also, if I remember, regional languages law (also known as Kivalov-Kolesnichenko law) was cancelled a long time ago as violation of Constitution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.36.187.17 ( talk) 08:28, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
Why is Islam not in the demographics? it's the second largest religion. it shows data for hinduism, budhism but not Islam in the graph
As noted here: "The Euromaidan (Ukrainian: Євромайдан, literally "Eurosquare")" "maidan" is Ukrainian for the English "square."
Hence, "Maidan Nezalezhnosti square" later on belongs in the Department of Redundancy Department. It should read "Maidan Nezalezhnosti (Nezalezhnosti square)." I didn't notice if that mistake was made other places, but it should be corrected. Thanks.
In the soil section podzolized soil is mentioned. Might it not be reasonable to link podzolized to the Podzol Wikipedia page as it is an obscure reference.
This sentence here should be past tense: From "On 4 March 2020, The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine accepts the resignation of the Honcharuk Government and begins the formation of the Shmyhal Government" to "On 4 March 2020, The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine accepted the resignation of the Honcharuk Government and the Shmyhal Government was formed." Gemini.skywalker ( talk) 12:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Kiev compromise and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 21#Kiev compromise until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jay (talk) 20:17, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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In the "Recognised regional languages" section of the infobox, please change the Wikitext [[Greek language|Greek]] to [[Modern Greek|Greek]] and [[Hebrew language|Hebrew]] to [[Modern Hebrew|Hebrew]] as these are the languages spoken in Ukraine today, not their ancient variants. Joesom333 ( talk) 16:59, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Change: "The vast majority of the fighting in World War II took place on the Eastern Front.[114] By some estimates, 93% of all German casualties took place there."
To: "The majority of the deaths in the European theater of World War II took place on the Eastern Front.[114] By one man's estimate, 93% of all German casualties took place there, but this is easily disproved by readily available statistical WWII data." (Source below)
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Citations 114 and 115 are rather Euro/Ruso centric and easily disproved. 85 million people died in WWII, no one will support half of those were on the easternfront. Additionally the second source for 115 is nothing more than a man's name and not an actual work. It's preposterous to say that 93% of German casualties were on the Eastern front and then disregard that the US took nearly 8 million German Prisoners. Both of those numbers cannot be simultaneously accurate.
/info/en/?search=German_casualties_in_World_War_II#United_States_Army_Figures_for_German_and_Italian_Losses 192.63.67.46 ( talk) 03:21, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
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talk) 12:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC)Change "disputed" to "occupied". 2A02:2F07:B313:1800:F5A6:3139:6D40:BB73 ( talk) 12:03, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
and claims it's his house and his family, the word "disputed" is absurdly understating the situation, so much so that it is practically incorrect. The "dispute" and "occupation" are TWO DIFFERENT topics, yet they should be simultaneously mentioned. Russia can DISPUTE Ukraine's claim without occupying their territory. If we must be unbiased, "illegally occupied by Russia and disputed" would be far more correct. I'm sure the UN would categorize this occupation as illegal. 172.58.102.207 ( talk) 13:29, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
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Crimea was not simply annexed. It was insidiously occupied by force prior to this. I suggest we modify the following (add capitalized text) "These events formed the background for the ILLEGAL, SURREPTITIOUS OCCUPATION and annexation of Crimea by Russia in March 2014" 172.58.102.207 ( talk) 13:16, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
"in Europe after Russia" The above phrase appears repeatedly in the article and falsely suggests that Russia is a part of Europe. This needs to be fixed. 190.42.225.31 ( talk) 00:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
For an article topic this fundamental, controversial and important, the sourcing is shockingly poor, far below Wikipedia's citing sources and reliable sources standards, in my humble opinion.
A brief scan of the References list seems to show an absolutely overwhelming use of WP:PRIMARY sources. In very many situations, the primary sources are not backed up by any independent source.
In fact, a disturbingly high percentage of significant statements in the article are supported by only one source -- often a soft or dubious source. And some of the statements bear little clear resemblance to the facts, even as reported in the source cited. For example, in the Wikipedia article, in the (urgently timely and sensitive) section on "Civil unrest, Russian intervention, and annexation of Crimea," a whole paragraph, citing only one source, says:
"...Poroshenko negotiated a ceasefire with the separatist troops. ... It... included conditions such as Ukrainian control of the border with Russia in 2015 and the withdrawal of all foreign troops from Ukrainian territory."
...stating, in essence, then, that the agreement was to "the withdrawal of all foreign troops from Ukrainian territory," despite the fact that Ukrainian territory of Crimea was, implicitly, not part of that agreement, despite the fact that Crimea ( by prevailing international interpretation) is Russian-occupied Ukrainian territory. That incomplete (and thus colossally inaccurate) Wikipedia paragraph was a blatant misrepresentation of the (single) cited source, which stated exactly:
"A separate document signed by the three presidents and the chancellor committed Putin to respecting Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, although clearly last year’s Russian annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea peninsula will be ignored here." [2]
Too often a highly partisan publication -- (for instance: The arch-conservative (London Daily) Telegraph, or the arch-liberal (formerly Manchester) Guardian) -- is the sole cited source for a significant statement (even a whole paragraph), without any corroboration from an opposing-bias source (nor even a comparatively neutral source). While I use these sources, myself, often -- and sometimes as sole sources -- I generally refrain from citing them as sole sources on matters of global gravity and controversy (and, right now, that's just about everything about Ukraine).
Further, many of the sources cited are relatively soft, and not commonly used in English-language Wikipedia -- including, apparently, non-English sources and sources in countries where there is little or no freedom of the press (including, apparently, Ukraine's arch-enemy, Russia).
Finally, the list of books and papers cited does not (generally) list their publishers -- just their authors. In an article this important, controversial and sensitive, it is very important to identify publishers. There's a huge difference in credibility between a book published by the Oxford University Press and one published by Pravda. I urge editors, as their time permits, to prioritize correcting these omissions.
Given the urgent global importance of Ukraine, today -- and the complex and sensitive controversies surrounding it -- this is presently one of the most important articles on Wikipedia.
I urge serious, responsible editors to review as much of this article as possible, to evaluate the sources, and their content, against the prevailing evidence in commonly-accepted WP:RS sources, and correct where appropriate -- and to augment the current cited sources with additional reference citations from other, more reliable (or competing), recognized sources.
Given the current dispute, it would be helpful to detail what Ukraine was politically before WorldWar I. This part of the history in the article is very sketchy, so it was difficult to understand who ruled Ukraine at that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.193.59 ( talk) 21:35, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
This File:Kryvyi Rih - apartment building2.jpg is not a khrushchovka but this File:Хрущовка.JPG is khrushchovka. So you need to change the photo File:Kryvyi Rih - apartment building2.jpg to File:Хрущовка.JPG and the text should not be "An example of a Khrushchyovka in Kryvyi Rih", but it should be "An example of a Khrushchyovka in Kyiv". Blast furnace chip worker ( talk) 19:09, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
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There is an obvious mistake in lede. Where it says "After World War II, the western part of Ukraine merged into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, and the whole country became a part of the Soviet Union. Ukraine regained its independence in 1991, following the dissolution of the Soviet Union."... it should say World War I, since Ukraine became part of the Soviet Union after the FIRST World War, not the second one.
This article contains nothing about the current (late 2021-early 2022) Russian military build-up on Ukraine's border which has dominated international news for the past month. It would be good to at least mention it. Fuzzypeg ★ 05:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
The text currently reads: thus making the whole country (rather than only eastern part of it)
The article THE is missing: rather than only THE eastern part of it.
It is in the second paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.41.129.20 ( talk) 14:50, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
No government disputes that this region is part of Ukraine.
Antonov (Russian ambassador) also stated that Moscow considered the Donbas region “as part of Ukraine.” 2A04:4A43:4DAF:D0CB:88E5:F359:4810:88CD ( talk) 17:54, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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Change Rasetrelli to Rastrelli, the name of this architect is Rastrelli and it is misspelled in at least one occurrence on this page. Tmargaria ( talk) 16:07, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
The history section (specifically the Russian intervention part) suffers from recentism and needs to be shortened. Only major events should be kept, not news about gas deals, etc. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:A9EB:9746:BFAE:7A5C ( talk) 05:43, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
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1922 treaty to create USSR is not mentioned This is a key part of Ukraine history missing 1922-1991
It should be included in two places In the timeline list titled formation 1917 1922 dissolve independence with treaty to create USSR 1991
ALSO in the intro paragraph (after the pre-amble section) The run on sentence
In the aftermath of the Russian Revolution, a Ukrainian national movement for self-determination emerged, and the internationally recognized Ukrainian People's Republic was declared on 23 June 1917. Ukraine regained its independence in 1991, following the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
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“In 1922 Ukraine dissolved by Treaty into creating the USSR.
This is then followed by: Ukraine regained its independence in 1991, following the dissolution of the Soviet Union. 2605:8D80:32C:9A15:2D4B:9E6D:4631:C103 ( talk) 22:55, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
In the aftermath of the Russian Revolution, a Ukrainian national movement for self-determination emerged, and the internationally recognized Ukrainian People's Republic was declared on 23 June 1917.
In 1922, Ukraine dissolved by Treaty into creating the USSR. Ukraine regained its independence in 1991, following the dissolution of the Soviet Union. RoseEatsRice ( talk) 22:59, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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The article states Ukraine is the third largest military in Europe, After verifying through multiple sources i found this to be incorrect for they have placed 9th in largest military in Europe. 184.89.41.130 ( talk) 20:50, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
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Also Russian language is used by 75% of population. 2600:1010:B1D1:361F:506C:576:46B9:19E ( talk) 07:17, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
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There should be some reference of Oleksandr Usyk considering he is currently the foremost Ukrainian boxer in the world. The paragraph should also end with a period instead of a comma. I'm suggesting the following addition/edit:
Ukrainian boxers are amongst the best in the world.[413] Since becoming the undisputed cruiserweight champion in 2018, Oleksandr Usyk has also gone on to win the unified WBA (Super), IBF, WBO and IBO heavyweight titles. This feat made him one of only three boxers to have unified the cruiserweight world titles and become a world heavyweight champion. The brothers Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko are former heavyweight world champions who held multiple world titles throughout their careers. Also hailing from Ukraine, Vasyl Lomachenko, a 2008 and 2012 Olympic gold medalist. He is the unified lightweight world champion who ties the record for winning a world title in the fewest professional fights; three. As of September 2018, he is ranked as the world's best active boxer, pound for pound, by ESPN.[414] 66.27.116.106 ( talk) 08:39, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
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This would be due to escalating tensions and Ukraine could change any day now, by invasion, political crisis, etc. Hcoder3104☭ ( 💬) 19:23, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the lede now says, with the brackets representing foot notes, "It spans an area of 603,628 km2 (233,062 sq mi),(including the disputed territory of Crimea.) with a population of 41.2 million,(Excluding the disputed territory of Crimea)" surely both figures should refer to the same territory? ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk ♥ 20:35, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I could find no explanation in the archives for the strange treatment of Crimea described above. If there is a logic to including/excluding territory/population not under Ukrainian government control, perhaps it should also apply to these area. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk ♥ 21:07, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
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After the Russian invasion of Ukraine, previously increasing tensions in Europe, immediately 40 people were confirmed dead as of the war. Many countries, including Germany had announced they'd send support to Ukraine. 2A02:C7E:562C:2F00:B542:6BD5:54CC:6FEB ( talk) 10:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Suggestion for a swift upadate of Ukrainian president Zelenski declaring martial law, Delcaration of Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People's Republic (LPR), military actions of Belarus in the Pripyat river, land & sea landing invasions in Crimea, Odessa and Dnipro, bombing of Kyiv etc. 118.43.235.137 ( talk) 11:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
in the timing of 2014 the crimea invasion seems to happen after old president decadence and even the new elections. it can be simply corrected by moving three lines upper the already existing short statement "The ousting[190] of Yanukovych prompted Vladimir Putin to begin preparations to annex Crimea on 23 February 2014.[191][192]" . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roberto90967 ( talk • contribs) 12:08, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Last sentence in the section of Ukraine#Constitution of Ukraine has a spelling mistake in the link to the prime minister of Ukraine. Sda030 ( talk) 15:01, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Putin's statement as to the purpose of the invasion was not simple demilitarization as is currently said, but to de-nazify and demilitarize the country. I believe this is an important distinction 135.23.157.227 ( talk) 08:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Update as of 02-24-2022 Repubic of Ukraine .....this article states Ukrain is a member of Nato, United Nations. Ukraine IS NOT a member of the United Nations at this time. 24.112.109.127 ( talk) 19:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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In the section 'Russian 2022 invasion of Ukraine' the last line of the first paragraph has a hanging bracket before 'American intelligence service' which should be removed. It appears to be there in error. Dauwenkust ( talk) 01:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
The Russians will have probably taken Kyiv in a day or two. It is believed that they have entered a hospital and opened fire with patients inside, which is a severe war crime. They have as well attacked a kindergarten with children inside. They have ran a car over with a elderly civilian inside. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-putin-war-kyiv-invasion-latest-b2022971.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-forces-attack-kindergarten-in-ukraine-casualties-reported-officials/ar-AAUiMYv?ocid=uxbndlbing Megabits13 ( talk) 17:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Megabits13 I also recommend having this page either listed as a protected page or a semi-protected page for this is a controversial topic. Megabits13 ( talk) 17:29, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Megabits13
Russia invades Ukraine 2A00:23C8:3F0B:C01:C528:33C3:1CA8:B6A8 ( talk) 21:08, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Added a FAQ to the Talk header. There's only one question on it now (about second-largest country in Europe), but feel free to add more. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 01:34, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
OK! So Kyiv Is In Battle Now, I Suggest Changing The Map To Russia, Because A Russian Victory Is More Likely? Hurricanestudier123 ( talk) 02:29, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Also, Adding A Own Section For The 2022 Russo Ukrainian War Would Be Nice Hurricanestudier123 ( talk) 02:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
^ No? Change the map? Even if they took Kyiv it doesn't mean the battle is over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.193.153.131 ( talk) 15:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
The article states that Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe after Russia, but France is larger than Ukraine. 173.175.23.195 ( talk) 00:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Why Did "The Ukraine" Become Just "Ukraine"?]</ref> and so would be translated as if "the borderlands" — the Ukraine — like how Holland, meaning "low lands", is translated as "the Netherlands". [1]
This statement should not mention Holland, but Nederland. Holland is a part of the Netherlands, whose name comes from "wood land". Nederland means low lands. MKenis ( talk) 15:28, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
The use of "the Ukraine" is officially deprecated by the Ukrainian government and many English language media publications.While "the" used to be relatively commonly used, the usage of "the" has been gradually phased out. JaventheAldericky ( talk) 17:36, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
"During most of the 20th century, Ukraine was referred to in the English-speaking world as The Ukraine.[18] This is apparently because the word "ukraina" means "borderland",[19] and so would be translated as "the borderlands" — the Ukraine — like how Nederland, meaning "low land" or "nether land", is translated as "the Netherlands"."
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can you add the fact that Ukraine declared martial law on the 24th February 2022? the president declared it shortly after 7am local time, and it's important to the country's future and past. thank you. Akirajazmin ( talk) 17:39, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Article on it here: Martial law in Ukraine.-- • Apollo468• 22:54, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Russia is not part of Europe 2601:543:8100:5C90:309B:DE92:CE67:AF32 ( talk) 06:34, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The first sentence of the second graph reads: The territory of modern Ukraine has been inhabited since 32,000 BC. which appears to be an error. I don't have data to make an educated correction, though the [ entry for Ancient History] cites 5,000 years as the span of recorded history.
Not done:It seems to be cited correctly in the "Early history" section. Chidgk1 ( talk) 17:42, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
"Many regions in the country are currently under Russian ocupation due to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine."
Ocupation should be corrected to occupation, as it is a misspelling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IMiss2010 ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
In the section on Language, after quite some vacillation on legality and illegality of other languages than Ukrainian the third paragraph states - In February 2019, the law allowing for regional languages was found unconstitutional.[322] Which seems to mean that Russian is considered as unconstitutional. But already in the following paragraph there are many regions cited in which Russian is spoken. Who can understand this confusion?-- 2001:9E8:255:BA00:E9BA:B790:97ED:1EA9 ( talk) 21:42, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
There is a post on Facebook making the rounds with quite a bit of "facts" about Ukraine's vast natural resources, such as uranium and mercury resources, farm land, etc. A brief scan of this article doesn't mention natural resources. MeekMark ( talk) 18:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
The date for the founding of Kievan Rus' is 882 here, but on the page for both Russia & Kievan Rúus' it is earlier - 879. 139.60.62.147 ( talk) 16:25, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph, Ukraine's size being second only to Russia in Europe is mentioned twice. Remove one of these mentions because of redundancy. Gygesfc ( talk) 18:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
If you count all the land area, Denmark is the second largest country in Europe because of Greenland. Should I change the article? 174.252.193.5 ( talk) 20:12, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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This unsourced phrase makes no sense. Pollsters do not fund or train activists. If external groups funded or trained people in Ukraine about nonviolent resistance or political organization,and if it is relevant, they should be named. Otherwise the sentence should be deleted. DarleneCypserEsq ( talk) 20:10, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
According to the news regarding the invasion of Russia 2022 Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO. 2601:542:C002:E6A0:B44E:1AC2:56BE:596A ( talk) 14:11, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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This sounds suspiciously close to the red-baiting distortions in Putin's speech yesterday. The article itself lists the Ukrainian People's Republic, the Hetmanate, the Directorate and the Bolshevik Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, the West Ukrainian People's Republic, the Hutsul Republic and, farther below, Makhno's Free Territory. Of these, only the Bolshevik entity was 'Communist', and the Hetmanate wasn't socialist at all. The Directorate was majority-liberal under Ostapenko when it was hoping to get support from the Entente. Yes, the other regimes mentioned were officially more or less socialist-leaning, as was typical of most radicals and revolutionaries at the time, and that is well worth mentioning, but placing 'communist' first makes no sense. Describing the socialist aspect as 'heavy' sounds negative as well as subjective and dubious; apart from Makhno, the others were relatively moderate - radical socialism certainly isn't what Petlyura was primarily known for. Furthermore, the article itself makes it clear that the Ukrainian nationalist movement started at least as early as the 1840s with Shevchenko, not after the 1917 revolution as suggested later; the demand or autonomy after the February revolution may well be regarded as part of the movement for self-determination, and the formal bid for independence was launched in opposition to the October revolution, not as an expression of its 'Communist influence' as the wording implies.-- 178.249.169.67 ( talk) 00:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I guess editing of this article is likely to remain heavily restricted for a long time?
Like I did with the energy subsection I am thinking of replacing with excerpts some more of the sections or subsections which are not likely to be contentious. For example Wildlife of Ukraine to the biodiversity section. This would allow far more people to be able to bring/keep the information up to date. Chidgk1 ( talk) 09:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Very one sided opinion. Would like to add that the ousting of Yanukovych was done illegally and was rightly labelled as a coup
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HelenHIL ( talk) 23:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Yes you are right it's not a consensus opinion. I think the best is to change "However, Members of Parliament voted on 22 February to remove the president and set an election for 25 May to select his replacement" with "The Parliament voted 328-0 to remove Yanukovich from his post and to schedule a presidential election for 25 May. This vote violated the impeachment process specified by the Ukrainian Constitution, which would have involved formally charging Yanukovych with a crime, a review of the charge by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, and a three-fourths majority vote—at least 338 votes in favor—in Parliament. Instead, Parliament declared that Yanukovych "withdrew from his duties in an unconstitutional manner" and cited "circumstances of extreme urgency" as the reason for early elections." To be the same as here. /info/en/?search=Revolution_of_Dignity#Removal_of_Yanukovych It's shows both sides. HelenHIL ( talk) 17:31, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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See introduction, paragraph 4, sentence 2: "It is the poorest country in Europe, suffering from a very high poverty rate as well as severe corruption." Part of this is not true. I recommend that that should be replaced with the following text and references:
"While it is the second poorest country in Europe, it has a low poverty rate." Reference 1: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.UMIC?locations=UA
"It is ranked as the 58th (out of 180) in perceptions of corruption." Reference 1: https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021 Aanders08 ( talk) 20:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Pls how suggist me 2402:3A80:E1B:3E43:0:18:CD28:DD01 ( talk) 06:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Read heading outside important for ukraine Jimgeer ( talk) 19:02, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Try to search for ways to accomplish your goal on the internet, Wikipedia isn't the best place for what you're asking. IMiss2010 ( talk) 19:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
I suggest that changes to this wikipedia article be not influenced by emotion nor motivation to change the course of history. Therefore I suggest that a trusted and hopefully large committee of historians and geographic experts (e.g. at least academic, professors) are set-up to moderate the changes to this lemma. Don't know who they are, and probably they themselves don't know that they are eligible, but it should be possible to compile a list of the experts on this topic on their merit, preferably before 2014-2022.
So please, fellow wikipedians, can you add to this talk section and identify/propose moderators with sufficient and objective authority, that can weed out subjective and even fake modifications and keep the balance? This proposal is not to disable the power of wikipedia laymen to add facts, but to prevent unbalanced adding and inaccurate adding of text.
Please let me know! Always interested in the facts! Greatest resource for ever! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Auvideo ( talk • contribs) 18:47, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Ukraine remains the second-poorest country in Europe, after
Moldova. So there should be a mention about that on the lead's third para. Either that or "Ukraine is among the poorest countries in Europe"
. I don't know why it got removed entirely, when it could've just gotten fixed. It is an important info.
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I'm sure people will more likely ask about Denmark than France. Can anyone change the (currently only) question in the FAQ so that it talks about Denmark?? Georgia guy ( talk) 15:20, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
This line is wrong, " It is the second-largest country by area in Europe after Russia", because Kazakhstan has more land in Europe than Ukraine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:3AE0:4760:D196:2BFE:29FB:7397 ( talk) 14:48, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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Change Government section in infobox from Unitary semi-presidential republic to Unitary semi-presidential republic under martial law
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The article is one sided as they are other opinions. The Russian side and even prominent US academic John J. Mearsheimer have argued that it was a coup. Please change "However, Members of Parliament voted on 22 February to remove the president and set an election for 25 May to select his replacement" with "However, Members of Parliament voted on 22 February to remove the president and set an election for 25 May to select his replacement, a move that was described by Russians and even US academic John J. Mearsheimer as a coup"
https://www.jstor.org/stable/24483306
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26304842
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/22/russias-putin-accuses-us-of-orchestrating-2014-coup-in-ukraine
HelenHIL ( talk) 16:39, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
I have a request to make this a semi - protected (or maybe protected) as this is quite a touchy subject. as seen in this article, War crimes during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine people can easily be offended by this, or vandalise the page. Jacob7895 ( talk) 13:48, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
hello Jacob7895 - you need to ask at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection Chidgk1 ( talk) 13:54, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Many visitors of this page come here in order to read about the current events. And these were only one click away, since the lead had
Unfortunately someone removed this link. I cannot edit this page but hope someone undoes this removal.
Content all badly out-of-date. A lot has happened in the last 5-10 years. I am not equipped to suggest edits but am capable of noticing they are needed. 2600:1702:701:DF0:1907:422A:64C4:EC3D ( talk) 18:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Please add this neutral Map of Ukraine to the article. I can't edit. Greetings Lencer ( talk) 07:46, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
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The previous map depicting in the template was more accurate to the current one,
I don't understand the necessarity for this change. LVTW2 ( talk) 05:14, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
This can't be correct:
"Following an Avar raid in 602 and the collapse of the Antes Union, most of these peoples survived as separate tribes until the beginning of the second millennium BC.[37]"
Even if 602 means 602 BC, this would mean surviving as separate tribes while traveling more than a millennium backwards in time.
From the context earlier in the paragraph, this may be intended to mean:
"Following an Avar raid in 602 and the collapse of the Antes Union, most of these peoples survived as separate tribes until the beginning of the second millennium AD."
Awkward in English, but possible to be correct.
Or:
"... until the beginning of the second century BC."
I trust an expert in pre-Rus Ukraine will correct this.
Cordially, Joaquin — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoaquinMiller ( talk • contribs) 22:46, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
...Message sent to Wikiprojects.... Lets try and cleanup the article. As of now its full of unsourced info and full of excerpts that dont allow us to monitor changes to the article and has many subpart references we normally dont use in country articles. Best get as many eyes on this considering whats going on.-- Moxy- 17:16, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Needs lots in culture section. Can anyone list a few here? Moxy- 17:22, 5 March 2022 (UTC) Source 274 seems to be in the wrong place or just wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.180.0.3 ( talk) 12:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Luckly we only have a few of these now used in sections that should be somewhat stable, but they should be replaced with better summary text here that we can monitor for changes here. Moxy- 17:22, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
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The list of regional languages should be removed from the infobox, as the law it's referencing to ( uk:Закон України «Про засади державної мовної політики») was recognized as unconstitutional and is no longer valid since January 2018.
The new law, uk:Закон України «Про забезпечення функціонування української мови як державної», official English translation - https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/2704-19?lang=en#Text) became effective in 2019 and it lists Ukrainian as the only state language in Ukraine, which also corresponds to the Constitution of Ukraine. -- EricLewan ( talk) 12:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please spell Kyivan Rus according to the correct spelling of Kyiv 2001:1970:4F24:8700:8134:C919:EF20:2F53 ( talk) 13:43, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
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The Ukrainian president is much in the news, and various spellings are used by reliable sources. Your feedback would be appreciated at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ukraine#Zelensky or Zelenskyy. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 08:15, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
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Grammatical edit // Section 2.14: Remove the word "on" from "...immediate admission to the European Union on in response to the invasion." Peterfblack ( talk) 20:26, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Its time to put end of this Russian version of Ukraine map (with crimea and donpass light green) and put all full dark green. It makes no sense in the way its now. Ukraine is Ukraine and Russia has shown itself as occupier of not just those light green areas, put more than that. Also, Slava Ukraini from Estonia! -- LeeMarx ( talk) 20:57, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Accumulating academic sources for the dispora section so it not a dictionary definition with no info. Moxy- 03:12, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
"Ukraine is one of the most migration-affected countries in Europe, with a diaspora of up to 20 million people, and 2.5 million labour migrants who contribute remittances of US$11 billion, which represents 10% of the country’s GDP. https://migrants-refugees.va/country-profile/ukraine/"
I know sometimes if you delete this type of section a bot will put back the ones actually used - but not sure if that would work here - might try it if nobody else wants to try and trim it in a more knowledgeable way? Chidgk1 ( talk) 12:09, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Moxy I searched "help" for "subpart references" you mentioned in an earlier section but could not find it - what does that mean please and is it related to these print sources? Chidgk1 ( talk) 12:51, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Why is the map in a png file, it's clearer if it was in a svg file Hgh1985 ( talk) 06:34, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
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The square milage is calculated incorrectly! 603,628 sq kms equates to 375,077 sq miles not 233,090! 75.156.44.186 ( talk) 03:08, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Never seen a note like ""Do not remove per WP:MOSNUM" " before......for FA and GA articles we set them up like.... | area_label2 = Total land area | area_data2 = {{convert|9093507|km2|sqmi|abbr=on}}
- Moxy- 18:51, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
This article needs some more eyes. See especially this discussion.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 21:11, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
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water as percentage of area is wrong, it is 4.01%. According to this source, the total area is also wrong Source: https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/ukraine/#geography Heikocvijic ( talk) 03:29, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Like Talk:Ukraine/GA1 I think it is, as it is more than 50% of the size of History of Ukraine and there is also an article on Modern history of Ukraine. It is much longer than, for example United_Kingdom#History. Not offering to summarize as looks a big job but maybe there is someone out there who would like to? Chidgk1 ( talk) 11:27, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Silly-boy-three I understand that you are adding more history because it is happening, but would you be able to shorten the history section as a whole? Chidgk1 ( talk) 18:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
In the Languages section, there's a repeated sentence as follows:
Hungarian is spoken in the Zakarpattia Oblast.[339] Hungarian is spoken in the Zakarpattia Oblast.[339] 92.4.183.194 ( talk) 07:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
The lead states Ukraine is the "second-largest by area in Europe" after Russia? Its the second-largest what? A country right? Who removed the word "country"? You can also simplify the sentence by simply stating that "Ukraine is the second-largest country in Europe, after Russia" Thesickreservoir ( talk) 10:53, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
"It is also true that it is the largest country "in Europe", as all larger countries have at least part of their territory outside of Europe."
"Ukraine, country located in eastern Europe, the second largest on the continent after Russia."
"Europe's second largest country, Ukraine is a land of wide, fertile agricultural plains..."
"Located in eastern Europe, Ukraine is the second-largest country on the European continent after Russia."
Thesickreservoir ( talk) 13:57, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
It is the second-largest country within Europe, after Russia, which it borders to the east and north-east.
"It is the second-largest country on the European continent, after Russia, which it borders to the east and north-east."This should be clear enough. Thesickreservoir ( talk) 15:12, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
"Ukraine's territory within Europe's continental limits is larger than the territory within Europe's continental limits of any country other than Russia"
Lead also has a grammatical mistake making the relative position of Russia and Ukraine swapped from reality. Currently it says "It [Ukraine] is the second largest country in Europe after Russia, which it borders to the east and north-east." This should read "...which borders it to the east and north-east." Otherwise the sentence as it is written is claiming Ukraine is to the East and North-East of Russia. Fritzophrenic ( talk) 00:11, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
I am starting a discussion on this to avoid an edit war. Should the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine be mentioned in the hatnote? I believe it should not per WP:RELATED, which states that an article should not be linked in a hatnote just because the articles are related. I think this is a clear violation of the guideline.
The current is:
{{About|the country of Ukraine|the ongoing conflict|2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine|other uses|Ukraine (disambiguation)}}
It should just be:
{{Other uses}}
-- The Tips of Apmh 15:20, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
>The tsarist autocracy established a policy of Russification, suppressing the use of the Ukrainian language and curtailing the Ukrainian national identity.[68] The western part of present-day Ukraine was subsequently split between Russia and Habsburg-ruled Austria after the fall of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1795.<
The source is hidden behind a paywall but concerns suppression of the language in the 1860s. Should the order of these two sentences not be reversed? If suppression was widespread I'd expect multiple sources to be available. Nine-and-fifty swans ( talk) 21:56, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
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Minor yet valuable request to correct spelling from Kievan to Kyivan for consistency. (e.g. Kievan Rus' -> Kyivan Rus') Within the "Ukraine" page context it has a lot of sense to not mixup those spelling as the name of the capital is Kyiv, so all derivatives in it should have 'Kyiv' root accordingly.
Many thanks, Andrii
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change from:
The territory of modern Ukraine has been inhabited since 32,000 BC. During the Middle Ages, the area was a key centre of East Slavic culture under Kievan Rus'
to:
The territory of modern Ukraine has been inhabited since 32,000 BC. During the Middle Ages, the area was a key centre of East Slavic culture under Kyivan Rus'
and so on... Gooworld ( talk) 08:44, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Muslims in Ukraine formed %0.9 (not a portion of the %0.2) of the population in 2016 according to this citation in the article Islam in Ukraine. It is more than %1 at the moment. Please update the article accordingly. 176.55.110.166 ( talk) 19:17, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
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Barry G. Korn, The Messiah and King of Ukraine 138.207.217.138 ( talk) 04:01, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
According to that resolution's article, there were 11 votes against the resolution. -- DevSolar2 ( talk) 11:08, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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I heavily suggest that the map of Ukraine is changed back to the older version used before the invasion by Russia. The older one showed Ukraine's position in Europe while still showing the disputed territories (before the invasion). Thus showing why Ukraine is important to the continent. As well its is easier to see the location of Ukraine in the Europe rather than on a globe. -- Chxeese ( talk) 16:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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It is written here that the official language of Ukraine is Ukrainian. We see tens of people Ukrainians on TV these days during the war and all of them speak Russian. Only Mr Zelensky speaks Ukrainian. How is it possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.88.18 ( talk) 01:02, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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Language ...
"Russian was within weeks of being declared as a regional language in several southern and eastern oblasts (provinces) and cities.[335] ..."
Replace sentence by:
"Within weeks, Russian was declared a regional language of several southern and eastern oblasts (provinces) and cities." VanWagn ( talk) 18:44, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Ihor Zhovkva and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 24#Ihor Zhovkva until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 14:58, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Please change the image label "Location of Ukraine (green) Occupied/annexed territories prior to the 2022 Russian invasion (light green)" to "Location of Ukraine (green) Occupied/disputed territories prior to the 2022 Russian invasion (light green)" as it's the conventional way . PadFoot2008 ( talk) 16:57, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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Include history and presidency of Volodymyr Zelenskyy 92.0.43.10 ( talk) 18:15, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
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Add period from 2017 to 2022 including history and presidency of Volodymyr Zelenskyy 92.0.43.10 ( talk) 18:30, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
As discussed earlier it is three-quarters the size of the main article, whereas I think it should be less than half.
Anyone needs a challenge and has time? Chidgk1 ( talk) 19:11, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
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Since the map keeps getting switch between the Globe and Europe view as it was done yesterday, can somebody add this? A switcher between the two so this can stop happening. -- Aaron106 ( talk) 02:15, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
@ Aidan9382: Thank you, this map is probably more better to use in Globe rather than the other one people were using. Do you think you could replace it with this one? -- Aaron106 ( talk) 15:56, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
@ Aidan9382: User Chronus has gone and changed the map back again without consensus on talk page first. Can you fix this? -- Aaron106 ( talk) 21:47, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Mellk, there is an updated perceptions index in the body of the article (second sentence of Ukraine#Economy). The lead summarizes the body. That goes for the citations, too. The version you reverted to also uses Transparency International's corruption perceptions index but it is one that's two years old. They use the verb "rank" in both years. It's a synonym for "rate". Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 22:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
was rated the second-most corrupt country(based on CPI data) is highly misleading, because the CPI does not measure corruption (which is not possible), it measures perceived corruption in the public sector. Also, why is this not under a new section? Mellk ( talk) 22:51, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
rated 120th out of 180 in the Corruption Perceptions Index for 2021, the second-lowest result in Europe after Russia) is unclear. It's actually the second lowest score for "clean of corruption" and the second highest perceived corruption ranking in Europe. "Second worst" fits both, second worst score on the 0-100 scale as well as second worst ranking in Europe on the 1-180 country list. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 14:10, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
was rated the second-most corrupt country in Europe. [4] This is not supported. Simple. Maybe it might be better to include the ranking in the CPI instead in the lead, I don't have an opinion on this. Mellk ( talk) 17:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
This is a very solid history of Ukraine that devolves upon the 2022 invasion. Information should not be jingoistic but stick to a fair telling of facts. The entire section, particularly after the second paragraph, has not aged well and mainly uses poor sources to report inaccurate information. WGyp ( talk) 16:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
The map of Ukraine within Europe shows the separatist entities in the east in a lighter shade of green. The globe map does not. Both are viewable with the radio buttons though the globe view is shown by default.
Is there a consensus on whether these separatist entities should be shown on the map in the infobox? I can't be bothered to go through the history to find out how long the separatist entities have been shown on either of these maps, but obviously they should be consistent.
If it needs to be restored here is the version of the "map of Ukraine within Europe" without the separatist entities highlight: File:Europe-Ukraine_(disputed_territory).svg.
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Rob984 ( talk) 17:31, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Rob984, CMD Can we get a vote on this? It's confusing for users visiting the page to see no eastern green areas on the globe and them showing them on the Europe view. -- Aaron106 ( talk) 17:38, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Please, show us your support and rename the "Odessa" article to "Odesa". Because Odesa is the correct spelling of the Ukrainian city. 46.98.140.213 ( talk) 04:38, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Odessa § Requested move 11 July 2022. Rei ( talk) 00:15, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Is Ukraine a state Member of the UN since its creation? How can Ukraine be a member of the UN without being independent? 2A02:8425:642:D701:BF55:9F65:2A1C:85EB ( talk) 08:38, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
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Hello, I have a slight suggestion to make. The sections "Euromaiden and Revolution of Dignity" and the Russo-Ukrainian War sections that come after that should be put under one section: "Euromaiden and the Russo-Ukrainian War." 8 years do not need three separate sections, one catch-all section suffices. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:4056:C39C:E04C:1C5C ( talk) 03:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Russia has control of the coast of the sea of azov, the article should be updated to reflect this. Rqpaine ( talk) 00:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, Russia's, but it's illegal, it's just mean capture of actually Ukrainian territories. Almost any country in the world recognizes these captures, because it isn't legally Artekimus ( talk) 16:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Correction: doesn't recognize* Artekimus ( talk) 16:33, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
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Hello, additional edit needed to this article. According to already existent source, GDP Per Capita in Ukraine (2021) is 4,830 USD, not 4,380 USD. Same with overall GDP, GDP (PPP) and GDP (PPP) Per Capita. Sieniuk ( talk) 15:23, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
I hope you will not be against the fact that I added the Grand Duchy of Lithuania to the formation of Ukraine. This year, historians of the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory, justifying all stages of the formation of Ukrainian statehood, added the Grand Duchy of Lithuania to the list of subjects of Ukrainian statehood. It is not in the text of Volodymyr Zelenskyi's decree. In the article prepared by historians of the institute for the Day of Ukrainian Statehood, it is noted that since the middle of the 14th century, Ukrainian lands became part of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
"The actual successor of the traditions of Russia was the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, one of the largest states in Europe at that time. Economically and culturally, the Russian lands were much more developed than the Lithuanian ones. Russian elites formed the face of the Lithuanian state. Many norms of Russian law, titles of positions, estates, management system, etc. were learned. Russian became the state language of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which was used for business papers," says the article of the Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance. The main source of law was " Ruska Pravda", and later "Lithuanian Statutes" based on it. Ukrainian lands within the Grand Duchy of Lithuania enjoyed wide autonomy.
On Thursday, July 28, the President of Lithuania Gitanas Nauseda spoke at the meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. He presented the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyi with the Order of Vytautas the Great - the highest award of Lithuania. Uliana245 ( talk) 18:12, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved: Closing per WP:SNOWBALL. While I can't find any RM on this topic, this issue has been discussed before, including, but not limited to, these discussions: [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]. ( non-admin closure) Spekkios ( talk) 02:10, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Ukraine → The Ukraine – While this article is currently titled "Ukraine," and that is the politically correct term for the country that is used predominately as of late, the fact remains that for a significant period of time up until the very recent present, including in reliable sources, the country was referred to as "The Ukraine." I do not necessarily support the article being renamed as such per se, but while there is any ambiguity as to the name in official sources, I think we should have a move request debate in order to establish consensus. I feel that as it is, with the large number of older yet still reliable and authoritative sources using "The Ukraine," it would benefit maintaining rigor in wiki policy to fully establish use of "Ukraine" as 100% supported by reliable sources before taking it for granted. While I understand many people are very emotional about this issue, we have to remember that our job is to use the name most referenced by reliable authorities, including ones that aren't just contemporary news articles, not the name a certain people or nation may prefer for themselves if it is not extensively documented enough in secondary literature. So while I know many people will support "Ukraine" as the proper name on a kneejerk basis, let us keep the older and still largely relevant and reliable sources saying otherwise in mind. Please use as many sources as possible to support your claims in this debate, including older and non-Western/Eurocentric ones. 2601:405:4400:9420:50B5:BD47:2846:F0B ( talk) 22:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
I suggest changing the sentence describing how ukraine is the second largest country in Europe. Only a small part of Russia is actually located in Europe and traditionally Russia is described as eurasian rather than European. Ukraine however is located in Europe entirely. 83.233.148.202 ( talk) 19:09, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
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There is a particular sentence in the lead section that talks about the Holodomor. The sentence states the famine was caused by Stalin. Would it be possible to change the sentence to reflect the nuance and point readers to the corresponding articles and scholastic work on the Holodomor? FictiousLibrarian ( talk). 18:44, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Is [tɐˈrɑz ɦrɪˈɦɔrowɪtʃ ʃeu̯ˈtʃɛnko] correct? Why isn't Тарас tɐˈrɑs? And how is Леся Українка pronounced? -- Espoo ( talk) 16:30, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
While Putin has asked that Wikipedia not list Russia's invasion of Ukraine as an "invasion," I think that this has been the most notable war in recent Ukrainian history, and that it deserves its own section in this article again. It had its own section from February through August then without any discussion here, others deleted this section and muddled up the recent history of Ukraine so that it's not even in chronological order any more. The person who tried to kill this article around the end of July by trying to merge it with another article did so anonymously without even a user-name. Thoughts? Perhaps this article needs more editorial restrictions? Silly-boy-three ( talk) 21:48, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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The article introduction mentions "pre-war" before mentioning the Russo-Ukrainian War. The terrority that is the Ukraine has been a part of several wars, including World War II. The introduction could benefit from a proper first Reference. 173.72.189.180 ( talk) 23:37, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
pre-war Ukraineis used twice in the intro section (and the phrase has already been discussed on this talk page once above) this is probably a good discussion topic here but it's not really an edit request until there are suggested changes (see making requests). Hopefully one of the 250+ active watchers of this page can chime in with some proposed improvements or be bold and just make them. Closing this for now but please re-open or submit a new one with specific changes if needed. -- N8wilson 🔔 03:50, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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The introduction of the article states that "Despite having a free-market economy, Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe by nominal GDP per capita". This implies that free market/laissez-faire policies are synonymous with a strong economy, which is a highly politically biased thing to state, and is also contradicted within the same sentence as it then goes on to states that Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe. As such, the part of the sentence before the comma should be removed. 49.228.97.45 ( talk) 16:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
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Hello,
I cannot understand if the
white stork is a national bird of Ukraine (perhaps not the only one); in 2019 it was portrayed in the
PostEurop EUROPA series stamps that had a "national birds" theme that year.
more about this here:
Talk:White_stork#peace_symbol_on_first_russian_PostEurop_1995_stamp
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Change "and suffered five-digit inflation rates" to "and suffered from hyperinflation that peaked at 10,000 percent in 1993". Current phrase is too generalized so as to be inaccurate. Also, its citation is a dead-link. Please add or exchange with archived link. Grorp ( talk) 00:27, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
How is crimea claimed “but not controlled” prior to the 2022 invasion? It’s been controlled for 8 years now Goblintear ( talk) 08:16, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Oh. U right Goblintear ( talk) 12:58, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
"Prior to the Russo-Ukrainian War, Ukraine covered approximately 600,000 square kilometres (230,000 sq mi), and was the eighth-most populous country in Europe, with a population of around 41 million people."
This is incorrect. Ukraine still covers approximately 600,000 square kilometres (230,000 sq mi). The United Nations General Assembly quite unambiguously recognized territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognised borders and reject the annexation of the peninsula. No reasoning is provided as to why this article should consider territory occupied by Russia as dispited except for a mere statement that it is "disputed." Disputed by whom? An occupation government? DoctorWhutsup ( talk) 11:03, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Personally I would support the example change but it will be best if you get a consensus otherwise someone else might just revert it. Chidgk1 ( talk) 12:28, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
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Describing the size of “pre-war” Ukraine is tantamount to accepting Russian claim to Ukrainian territory. To say ukraine WAS a certain size is incorrect. Ukraine IS an internationally recognized size, which includes all occupied and illegally annexed territory. “Pre-war” must be removed from the opening paragraph, if this page isn’t run by Russian bots. 174.208.227.195 ( talk) 17:09, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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talk) 14:43, 7 September 2022 (UTC)“Prior to the Russian invasion” is just as problematic. The only accurate way of describing this is “Ukraine covers an area of..” Explain to me why people disagree. Wolf359Locutus ( talk) 16:25, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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107.133.135.145 ( talk) 03:22, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
i want to word things a bit differently and fix a few grammar mistakes someone has left in the text
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Under "Courts and law enforcement", in the 4th paragraph, link the article "Viktor Yanukovych" to "President Yanukovych", please. Thanks! Kindly, WikiHelper0830. (P.S. This is a minor edit, so check that option if you do choose to edit.) WikiHelper0830 ( talk) 01:20, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
For reasons I do not quite understand, several users seem intent on using the
WP:POV term 'disputed territories', in sharp contrast to what
reliable sources say. Surprisingly enough, this seems to be case not only for recent pro-Kremlin accounts but also for a number of good and established users, whose good intentions I don't doubt. Still, using 'disputed territories' plays straight into the Kremlin propaganda. More relevant for us, it violates
WP:OR by applying a different terminology to what our
WP:RS use. For the record, here are a few examples of highly reliable sources using 'occupied territories' in the last few days
CNN 29 September
The Guardian 29 September
Council of Europe 30 September
New York Times 29 September
BBC 30 September
NPR 30 September
Amnesty International 23 September
ABC News 30 September
NZ Herald 30 September
The terminology in reliable sources is clear. There is no reason, nor any justification in policy, to introduce our own terminology.
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Please change the map to reflect new Ukrainian Russian borders. 2A04:4A43:47BF:B88B:79F9:FB9A:82E:1861 ( talk) 08:23, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
The map should show disputed territories just like it does for most countries. Joseph Winowiski ( talk) 19:50, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Tartan357 Rsk6400. I have seen you two make this same argument. So with all do respect, Can you two show me any reliable sources saying that the territories are not "disputed"? What im trying to say, is that saying that the territories are not "disputed" is like Russians calling The Russian Ukrainian war a special military operation..... "The special military operation" and the war are in reality, the same thing.-- Zyxrq ( talk) 00:19, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Tartan357 another thing we can say is "Russian annexation of Ukrainian territories in light green" with a note saying the international community/UN considers the annexations illegal. or "Russian annexation of Ukrainian territories in light green. which is considered illegal by the international community/UN"..... Im also going to look for reliable sources for the other ideas above. Zyxrq ( talk) 00:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
If Ukraine was an African country people would have been very quick to change and downgrade its per capital income as well as its HDI like Libya, South Sudan or any other country in the Global South but Ukraine which has been ravaged by war for more than 7 months it's obviously it's per capital income has largely dwindled and so has its HDI. It should be changed Nlivataye ( talk) 08:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Then why is the per capital income not updated while others are and not a year has passed? Nlivataye ( talk) 14:22, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
I forked the maps into two directions, for 2014, and 2022 disputes https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ukraine_-_disputed_2014_(orthographic_projection).svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ukraine_-_disputed_2022_(orthographic_projection).svg I don't want to start a dispute, but I think there are many spots on Wikipedia and its various projects that depend on a specific timeframe for the map. Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 01:03, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
I suggest this image could possibly replace the image at show map of Europe section if or when we are shown a map of the borders Russia has annexed. -- Aaron106 ( talk) 14:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
I suggest that the full extent of Russian claims should be on the map, and not just occupied territories.-- Zyxrq ( talk) 16:20, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Obviously not, and stop that nonsense. You cannot just declare other territories are yours, it's as simple as that. Ukraine's borders are the same now as in 2000 and 2010. WP has become very sloppy at keeping the distinction between international law and fascist murderers. We do not strive for some imaginary neutrality between legality and criminals. Jeppiz ( talk) 17:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Eduardog3000: Your claim that the territories are "not occupied" is incoherent. This is described by every RS imaginable as being sovereign Ukrainian land occupied by Russia since 2015. Perhaps you're talking about the new map being proposed here? That's not the map in the article. The map in the article shows the lines of control since 2015. Tartan357 ( talk) 00:09, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Absolute no to this new map. The current map shows the lines of control before the 2022 invasion because those were stable for years. They are the last stable lines of control. Lines of control for the newly-occupied land are shifting constantly, and this map would just give the false impression that Russia has a solid grip on vast swaths of land that are very much in flux. We should not be rushing to formalize the most recent land grab. Tartan357 ( talk) 00:13, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Yes to this map, it shows the de facto situation. Russia is occupying eastern and southern Ukraine, and with the annexation occurring today, this only makes sense to update the map. Without any bias whatsoever, this is the situation: Ukraine no longer controls southern and eastern parts of the country, and it is now contested (by the international community) Russian territory. CanadianOntarian ( talk) 01:10, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
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This Russian language was also mandatory in Poland, and i think in other former USSR states... so Ukraine was not an exception. It was usual, for this period.
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Add 'is' before 'in the process of joining the European Union...' at the end of the first section User136596 ( talk) 01:49, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
To the best of my knowledge NATO rejected Ukraine from joining but it still supporting Ukraine. Change it to was trying to get into NATO not is. 2601:681:300:11B0:74FF:FC82:57A0:D662 ( talk) 22:39, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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typo - change "Initually" to "Initially" in the "19th and early 20th century" section. 212.132.250.107 ( talk) 14:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Just like Russia's map on Wikipedia I think we should put the places that Russia occupies or annexed in light green as Crimea Nlivataye ( talk) 08:24, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
I think if that's the case, if people have the feeling that this "annexation" is justified on Wiki, then we should mark the Kremlin as disputed territory as it had been claimed by UKRPoshta. https://gagadget.com/en/172603-ukrposhta-recognized-the-kremlin-as-its-territory-and-wants-to-open-a-post-office-and-psychological-services-there/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.23.79.192 ( talk) 16:27, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
The war could possibly devolve into a frozen conflict and it could be years before the war is over. We should at least show disputed terrorories. Joseph Winowiski ( talk) 19:53, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Change this to though Russian has not realized its stated objective because chances are they will, saying they were not able to sounds like they failed completely and utterly. 2601:681:300:11B0:74FF:FC82:57A0:D662 ( talk) 22:45, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
"Prior to the war, Ukraine covered approx 600,000 square kilometres"... The war has not changed this, only Russia's perception, and Russia does not have the authority to decide what is and isn't Ukraine. Therefore, it should say that "Ukraine covers approx 600,000 kilometres, and make no mention of that being different because of the war. Russian's ennexations are not recognised by law or the international community, therefore the size of the territory of Ukraine is exactly the same now as it was when the war started... ReticuliZ ( talk) 18:26, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
OK so to be precise the proposal is to change
"Prior to the ongoing Russo-Ukrainian War, Ukraine covered approximately 600,000 square kilometres (230,000 sq mi), [a] and was the eighth-most populous country in Europe, with a population of around 41 million people. [b]"
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"Ukraine covers approximately 600,000 square kilometres (230,000 sq mi). [c] Prior to the ongoing Russo-Ukrainian War, it was the eighth-most populous country in Europe, with a population of around 41 million people. [d]"
From previous comments above this seems to be also supported by myself, an IP editor, Wolf359Locutus, Tartan357 and DoctorWhutsup
and opposed by Khajidha
So as "Consensus on Wikipedia does not mean unanimity" I have changed it. Chidgk1 ( talk) 19:05, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
By the way ScottishFinnishRadish is now an administrator so if anyone thinks I was wrong feel free to complain to him and give him some work! Chidgk1 ( talk) 19:09, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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