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Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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This section in the article on Cleavage (breasts) needs a check by members of this project. I don't see it to comprehensive enough:
It would be great if members of this project could take a look and advise. It would be
out-of-the-world great if someone could lend a hand too.
Trust me, I made over 800 edits to this articles that came from months of research (yeah, I even was made to research on the credibility of some of the sources). I would have done it myself if I knew where to look and what to look for. Research without a guidance... sometimes just doesn't work. I have worked as hard I could to make this article gender balanced, diverse and inclusive (with help from awesome editors from WIR). I am sure that exactly is one of the objectives of this project.
And here's a cup of tea while you consider rendering some help. (Did I get that tea right? Would you prefer some Vodka, sugar, mint, lime or ginger in the tea?) Aditya( talk • contribs) 02:10, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
inclusion doesn't happen if we exclude people from the main body of the text, innit?This is where RGW and OR comes in. I'm all for inclusion when it fits with due weight. But "inclusion", in itself, is not a Wikipedia policy or guideline, and is a frankly vague term that would ultimately lead to OR as we try to define it. I didn't mean that the other sections of the article are irrelevant in some absolute sense; but that male and transgender content is not relevant to those sections. I'm not sure what you mean by
merging the section into the main body. It's already part of the main body and makes the most sense as separate. Being redistributed throughout the article, and therefore in multiple pieces, means we would be repeatedly going into tangents about men and about trans women, which leads to undue weight on the few sources that talk about those groups. As for
Is mainstreaming of information about non-traditional genders and gender roles bad or good?, it is not Wikipedia's job to "mainstream" anything. Since there are sources about "man cleavage", and on the aspects of the topic unique to trans women, we can cover those matters, even though a hypothetical other editor maybe would not have. But we do not try so hard to correct anything's lack of 'mainstreamness' (or right great wrongs) that we end up violating due weight in the way or amount that such material is included.
Aditya Kabir, you shouldn't close a discussion like you did above. This was not an RfC or similar. And the above discussion was not a WP:TALK violation. If editors want to continue discussion, they have the right to do so (unless a WP:TALK violation) and shouldn't feel cut off from commenting further.
I was not being dismissive. As for others? If others weren't interested in participating, they simply weren't interested. Not everyone at WP:LGBT is going to want to get involved with every LGBT matter posted here. And some of us are busy and/or have enough to deal with on Wikipedia.
Regarding what I asked, the article having stated "It is difficult to produce sufficiently feminine cleavage for transwomen, even with breast augmentation surgery, because people assigned male at birth have nipple-areolar complexes set farther apart on their chests than do those assigned female at birth." doesn't mean that this is called "transgender cleavage." That was my point. I was basically asking the following: "Do sources define 'transgender cleavage', or were sources about trans women having difficulty producing 'sufficiently feminine cleavage' cobbled together and placed under a heading that had 'transgender cleavage' in it. My point was that the term cleavage typically applies to women -- women with breasts -- and I'm not aware of sources distinguishing the cleavage of cisgender and trans women to the point that a section is needed on trans women. If the cisgender or trans woman doesn't have breasts (and I mean breast development that would lead one to characterize that part of the person's anatomy as breasts rather than simply a chest), then one should examine if the term cleavage still applies to them. And I am using the term breasts with regard to women since the term typically applies to women's chests rather than men's chests. I do see that "male cleavage" is mentioned in the article, but men are hardly ever considered to have cleavage. So the small section on men in the article is given its WP:Due weight.
Now I'm done discussing this. Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 07:50, 7 September 2020 (UTC) Tweaked post. Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 08:02, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
I am reading Lillian Faderman's biography of Harvey Milk and she mentions Kalendar Magazine, a "gay biweekly" (78) and "San Francisco's biggest gay paper" (83), supposedly in the 1970s. It sounds like we should have an article about it. Is anyone able to find enough reliable sources to create an article please? I can't find much. The San Francisco Public Library has a webpage; it is mentioned at The EndUp#Al Hanken era (1973–1989). Please ping me when you reply. Zigzig20s ( talk) 15:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
There's a relevant RFC at Margot (activist) discussing how the deadname of Margot - a nonbinary Polish activist - should be used in the lead and in the article.
Gbear605 ( talk) 16:24, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:09, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boi (slang) if interested/if you have anything to state on the matter. Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 20:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Definitely. The OP that proposed the deletion doesn't even give a good reason to delete it. Its just as bad as those people who tried to delete the Dana Terrace article, which has finally been saved! Yay. Its the best news I've seen all day. I'll write something on this deletion discussion later today. -- Historyday01 ( talk) 13:06, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Yay, it was saved! -- Historyday01 ( talk) 14:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, there is a discussion at Talk:Amy Coney Barrett#Bias about potential bias in covering LGBT rights content. Your input/feedback would be helpful; I want to ensure neutrality and accuracy here. ɱ (talk) 22:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Members of this project might be interested in the Request for Comments at Talk:Dennis Nilsen. Graham Beards ( talk) 23:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
A Wikimedia committee has posted a draft version of a Universal Code of Conduct at meta which, while it contains language about respecting the diversity of community members and condemning hate speech that appears in vandalism, does not appear to prohibit or otherwise mention racism, sexism, homophobia, or other forms of prejudice outside of vandalism and direct insults (in the English version, at least.) It does concern itself with, for example, defining repeated sarcasm as a form of harassment. In the page containing summaries of committee meetings the words "racism", "sexism", and "homophobia" also do not appear. (In the English version.)
Perhaps there is a good or practical reason for this; I'm not personally familiar with the high-level Wikimedia policy development process. But the discussion of the UCoC draft closes on October 7, after which the drafting committee will submit its recommendation to the Wikimedia Board of Trustees, so I am placing this message in this talk page in the hopes of ensuring that editors who can comment constructively on the absence of language providing guidance on non-insult, non-vandalism expressions of prejudice get a chance to comment. -- ▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 19:40, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
This is a formality as the list was already merged with another article and is a redirect now. Yet, I will leave the required message:
I have nominated List of U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions by type for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gehenna1510 ( talk • contribs) 01:46, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mango (Saturday Night Live) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mango (Saturday Night Live) (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Right cite ( talk) 22:53, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
When I see the name of this list in the context of lesbian literature I find it jarring and inappropriate. However, I can't think of how to reword a title other than 'List of poets authoring lesbian-themed poetry', which seems clunky. Any suggestions? On a similar topic, can anyone advise on how to handle a revert on the List of lesbian fiction page? I changed the lede from "This is a list of books portraying sexual relations between women, works of fiction with characters who may be lesbians, bisexuals or straight-identified women who have sex with women. It includes a list of characters that make recurring appearances in fiction series." to "This is a list of lesbian fiction, works of fiction with characters who may be lesbians, bisexuals or straight-identified women who have sex with women. It includes a list of characters that make recurring appearances in fiction series." Someone editing from an IP address reverted it. I would prefer to simplify it further and simply have: "This is a list of lesbian-themed fiction. It includes a list of characters that make recurring appearances in fiction series.", Should I go ahead and change it? Or, is that edit-warring? IdRatherBeAtTheBeach ( talk) 14:50, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Inviting improvements to Jazelle Barbie Royale. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:53, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
There's an ongoing discussion about the recent takeover of the Proud Boys hashtag. Comments welcome at Talk:Proud_Boys#"Reclamation_of_#proudboys_hashtag"_section. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:26, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
While we now have MOS guidelines for when to include deadnames in articles, I don't think we have any official guidance on how to handle redirects from deadnames. For cases where the deadname is actually included in the article I think it's obviously appropriate to have a redirect, but it's not clear what to do for cases where it isn't appropriate to include the deadname in the target article. I'm bringing this up now because I just came across a redirect Rodney Arsenault --> Nina Arsenault; the name Rodney is not mentioned at the target, but Arsenault's notability is in part due to being a trans activist, and the former name is verifiable in RS as well as her autobiographical work. I remember another related case having been brought to RfD a few months ago and which was closed in favor of keeping the redirect, IIRC largely because the person in question had published a few works under their former name (although they would not have been considered notable for those works alone), but unfortunately I can't find that discussion for reference. It seems like in general we need to balance the likelihood (and utility) of someone searching for the target using the deadname vs potential disrespect entailed by maintaining such a redirect, and I think we could benefit from having a guideline to work from. signed, Rosguill talk 17:00, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
On Wikipedia even “hard” rules can have exceptions so that seems like a non-starter. An redirects are considered within Article Space. Glee anon 02:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
For example, see Gi_Hyeong-do#Death. What, if any, categories would be applicable here? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:12, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi guys, can you help me with something? Recently I created the article Transgender literature, but English is not my first language, so it may require some proofreading. Thanks a lot in advance :D-- Freddy eduardo ( talk) 14:28, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey there! I was wondering if any of you folks could regarding the Spartacus International Gay Guide. As it is, that page give huge undue prominence to a controversy regarding its affiliation to a British pro-pederast activist group. As well as questionable POV-pushing, it also doesn't really help us understand what the Guide is today, or the relevance of guides such as this in the modern era. -- Mondodi ( talk) 23:34, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Or to put it another way: is a statement describing "LGBT ideology" as "coming from the same roots as nazism" objectively homophobic? Or is the adjective homophobic used to summarise these statements just an opinion that needs to be sourced? Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Przemysław Czarnek and participate there. This is a BLP issue concerning the likely next minister of education and science in Poland, once he recovers from a SARS-CoV-2 infection. Boud ( talk) 11:48, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#MOS:GENDERID_being_used_in_place_of_WP:Article_titles_and_for_category_arguments on how to refer to transgender people in article titles. Rab V ( talk) 22:04, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article George Payne (actor) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Payne (actor) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Right cite ( talk) 15:56, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all
I'd like to share with you and ask for your help in something I've been working on for almost a year. I've developed a process to collate knowledge on a topic with a group of experts to help map the topic area on Wikimedia to know what's missing (redlists) and to build a database for the experts to use and contribute to.
I ran the workshop in the before times with experts on sexuality education have and written up the process, the next steps are Mix n' Matching the data into Wikidata and coming up with different ways to display and use the data ways that are useful for Wikimedia and for the experts who contributed the data.
I'd really appreciate any thoughts on uses for the data and of course some help Mix n' Matching
Thanks very much
John Cummings ( talk) 11:38, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
The article on Transgender rights in Germany seems to focus only on post-1980s era, in particular Germany's Transsexuellengesetz . I wonder if a brief history beforehand should be mentioned: Germany made many achievements on LGBT rights in the Weimar period in particular; Magnus Hirschfeld and the Scientific-Humanitarian Committee/ Institut für Sexualwissenschaft's pioneering work ( Dora Richter being the first known trans woman to undergo MtF surgery in 1931, for instance) and the police granting " transvestite certificates" from 1908-33 are just a couple of things that spring to mind (and then of course the persecution of LGBT people under the Nazis). I'm not an expert in the area, so I'm sure there are a few things I've missed out here... -- Mondodi ( talk) 00:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
There's an editor who has been trying very persistently to downplay the significance of musician Wendy Carlos as a transgender woman. He's a devoted fan, but seems to feel that any attention given to her groundbreaking 1979 coming-out interview in Playboy detracts from her musical goddesshood. For a change, this particular debate isn't about deadnaming or misgendering, but about whether it's appropriate to simply say in the lede (with plenty of cites) that she was one of the first public figures to come out as trans. - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 22:09, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
hi all, the above article is up for deletion - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rose Adare, thought you would like to know. Coolabahapple ( talk) 02:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
TERF has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Loki ( talk) 08:23, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
An Rfc concerning the article Wendy Carlos is under discussion at Talk:Wendy Carlos#RfC on phrasing of her gender transition in lead. Your feedback would be appreciated. Mathglot ( talk) 20:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Discussion @ Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard regarding Canadian actor Zoie Palmer and whether her coming out at the Canadian Screen Awards by thanking her then-partner (producer Alex "Alexandra" Lalonde) should remain in the biographical article. Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 10:30, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I am new to Wiki. I saw in the LGBT project page that there are translators needed for articles in other languages to english and back. Where do you I sign up? Is there a list of translators and articles? -- LoraxJr 19:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks everybody for your help! I feel less lost now. I will consider all the references and contact you on talk pages once I get more questions. Which I surely will) LoraxJr 12:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Collaboration of the Month for November 2020: Vampire Fitness |
Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 00:10, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
There is a discussion whether or not Thomas(ine) Hall should be moved to Thomasine Hall. Since the article is part of this project, some members may be interested in the discussion. Gehenna1510 ( talk) 17:14, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Your input would be appreciated at Talk:Cavetown (musician)#RfC on aromantic and transgender identity. Glee anon 04:22, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
WikiEd is Wikipedia's education program that works with students in colleges and universities who edit articles here as part of their coursework for a college class. CSUC currently has such a course with 60 students who will all be editing LGBT-related articles. As these editors are all new, the articles may be subject to all the same issues related to editing by a new editor. We need some volunteers to watch these articles during the life of the class (now till end December) and help keep them on track.
The table below contains course assignments listing dozens of Wikipedia articles within the purview of WikiProject LGBT studies being edited for this class. Context expert for this course is User:Ian (Wiki Ed). Advisors at WikiEd are stretched much thinner than before, due to recent budget/covid-related layoffs this year, so any help or additional eyeballs by members of this project at any of these articles, would be helpful. Here is the list of articles:
If you have questions related to the WikiEd program, you can raise them at the Education Noticeboard. Please sign up below as a volunteer to watch a few of these articles.
Please help by signing up for one or more articles. Check the box in the list above, for articles you are able to watch during this course. (To get good coverage, we need more than one watcher per article, so please sign up even if your fave articles are already being watched.)
Then, add the list of articles you're watching below, and add your signature.
Some editors here might be interested in weighing in on the following: Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality#The piece about the subject's sexual orientation being relevant to their public life. Flyer22 Frozen ( talk) 00:45, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Opinions are welcomed on the following matter: Talk:Yaoi#Requested move 8 November 2020. Morgan695 ( talk) 03:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
FYI, discussion about the wording of WP:DEADNAME, following the recent RFC which members of this wikiproject workshopped the wording of, is continuing at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#Further_refinement_of_wording. -sche ( talk) 17:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
is there anyone willing to adopt this article? It has a number of longstanding issues, which is why I found it in a backlog project, but loathe to further lessen our LGBT content. Feel like with its relatively long history there should be some sourcing out there, but I cannot find any. THanks! StarM 18:04, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Mirosława Makuchowska was today proposed for deletion with PROD. I removed the PROD with justification. If you have arguments for keeping or deleting the page, then you may wish to watch the page to keep an eye on it. Boud ( talk) 16:11, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
Talk:Queer theory § Stubbed I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 03:30, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
There is an RFC at Talk:Nicole Maines#Request for Comment: Nicole Maines' former name on whether Nicole Maines deadname should appear in the article, and if so where. Your input would be appreciated. Rab V ( talk) 02:22, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
The page Transsexual has been proposed to be renamed and moved to a different title. Interested editors may wish to join the discussion on the article talk page. Thank you. — Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 05:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi all. My apologies if I have any formatting issues as I just created an account to draw attention to this! I noticed in Brendan Behan's article that his bisexuality is not mentioned. In the talk section, there is a subheading for his bisexuality and it seems that there was insufficient proof to maintain his status as an LGBT figure. I'm currently writing a dissertation on Brendan Behan and queer theory and I have ample proof of his bisexuality. Ulick O'Connor's biography Brendan Behan (1970) notes accounts of his bisexuality (page 96) from John Ryan, Desmond MacNamara, and two unnamed IRA men. Behan's affairs with women are also noted on the same page. Another biography, Brendan Behan: A Life, by Michael O'Sullivan (1997) details Behan's relationship with Peter Arthurs in New York and his relationship with Fred May, an Irish composer. Behan's bisexuality is assumed within Reading Brendan Behan edited by John McCourt and Brendan Behan: Cultural Nationalism and the Revisionist Writer by John Branigan, two of the most prolific academic texts on Behan's work. Within Behan's work itself, there has been ample discussion by academics, such as Branigan and Michael G. Cronin, on the implied homosexual relationships between Brendan (Behan's literary ego) and Charlie Millwall in Borstal Boy which is a semi-autobiographical work. In Confessions of an Irish Rebel which is a continuation of Borstal Boy, Behan details multiple homosexual encounters, most notably an encounter with Cathal Goulding in the showers of Mountjoy Prison. Most notably in his short story After the Wake, which was published in 1950 in Points Magazine before Behan's rise to fame, Behan details a story of a homosexual trying to seduce a married man and it is implied that the narrator is successful in his endeavor at the end. The short story is not only explicit in its homosexual intentions but it is written in the same autobiographical style as Borstal Boy and Behan's Brendan is presumed to be the narrator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hknish ( talk • contribs) 21:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Just to draw your attention to Beirut Pride, where the founder of the event (the only Pride event in the Arab world) has made extensive edits to the page which have been reverted on grounds of being overly promotional and self-referenced. I feel that in among this edit there is a large amount of good material that can be retained, though it may take some work to unpick. You are invited to get involved! The Land ( talk) 14:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
I have tried to update the article on the webcomic Girly, but good sources are scarce. Can anyone make any suggestions on how to improve this article? Is this article now C-class and if not, what does it need to get there? HenryCrun15 ( talk) 21:14, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Well, I did find some good sources just from a quick search online:
I'd look at this, this, this, this as these could be good. That's sadly all I could find in a search for "girly" comic in a google search. I don't think this source would be good and neither would this.
I hope that helps.
Historyday01 ( talk) 01:05, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Please see
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#RfC: updating MOS:DEADNAME for how to credit individuals on previously released works
Surprised this hasn't been posted here yet; not just about Page, but prompted by those edit wars.
Kingsif (
talk) 17:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey there. I listed Category:Anti-LGBT politicians who were outed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 2. -- George Ho ( talk) 18:42, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
The article LGBT rights opposition needs to be moved to the title Gay rights opposition or a similar title, then cleaned up. The article is mainly about gay rights (mostly same sex marriage) and only mentions transgender people (and transgender rights) in passing. This suggestion is also per a post made on the article's talk page. Thecocohead ( talk) 00:33, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
The actor Elliot Page (you may know him under the name of Ellen Page) came out as transgender yesterday, and while I'm impressed on how quickly many articles were updated he is still deadnamed in many. I've edited a few, but there are still a lot that deadname him. This should be fixed as quickly as possible. Alex Skye Kroy ( talk) 15:54, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
@ Alex Skye Kroy, thanks for posting this. Well, the main page for Elliot seems good. It looks like his dead name comes up on 392 pages from a search I just did if that helps. I'll try to work on it later today. Historyday01 ( talk) 16:49, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
I take no stance. Just saying. Bearian ( talk) 01:26, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Preferred gender pronoun § Requested move 3 December 2020. GreenComputer ( talk) 04:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Please weigh in here as to how to categorize (or not) Elliot Page's wife and how to support the categorization, if appropriate, in article text! – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 18:39, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Please see: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Gay City News. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 04:36, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
There's an RfC at Talk:Colin Mochrie re: whether or not to include Colin's daughter's deadname.
Thanks for all you do. -- WhyBeNormal 22:48, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey guys. I want to make " The Boys in the Bar" near FA-quality. I previously nominated it as FAC but then reversed the nomination, fearing that it would fail. Help is appreciated. Thanks. -- George Ho ( talk) 07:46, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
I've run into a situation where the byline has a name the author used briefly while transitioning. The name matches her gender, but it's also not her current name. Thoughts? Woodroar ( talk) 23:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
The very first Wikipedia entry following Eliot Page is the use of their dead name. Unless Eliot prefers this (which i cannot imagine they would), please delete [(formerly Ellen Page; born February 21, 1987)]. Thank you, m — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.38.229.226 ( talk) 21:34, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
This short article could use some TLC. Bearian ( talk) 21:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Pauli Murray § Pronouns. Peaceray ( talk) 05:45, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Please participate at Talk:Frédéric Chopin#RFC: Chopin and Sexuality. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 12:39, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
There's a new template {{ Preferred pronouns}} that is now available for use on Talk pages of biographical articles. It creates a standard Talk-style banner listing the preferred pronouns for the subject of the article. An example can be seen at Talk:Karin Tidbeck. Please suggest any desired changes or improvements to the template at its talk page, Template talk:Preferred pronouns. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 06:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard regarding repeated removal of they/them pronouns from a BLP subject article. The thread is Nico Tortorella. The discussion is about the topic Nico Tortorella. Thank you. Joeyconnick ( talk) 07:28, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
So, I decided to reorganize those history pages (it begins with this one) I created earlier this year and I created four new ones:
The names of the pages are not set in stone, of course, and I'd love to expand them, if possible. I know I don't have every series on there, so I'd appreciate your comments, feedback, and suggestions. Thanks and Happy New Year (almost)! -- Historyday01 ( talk) 21:26, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Under Category:LGBT people by occupation.
Is this notable and defining needing its own categorization intersection? Or should the whole tree be tossed, and this is the first segment to be discussed?
William Allen Simpson (
talk) 11:14, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
There's been an editwar simmering for several weeks between anonymous IPs over whether Nick Carter (musician) should be categorized as LGBT or not. I've temporarily semi-protected the article, and am requesting comment at Talk:Nick Carter (musician). Bearcat ( talk) 16:26, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
The United States is in the midst of a party transition right now and many people are in tension.
Relevant to WikiProject LGBT, the incoming president has appointed Levine to a high ranking position. Levine is trans, and because of this, her article is the target of vandalism and hate on the talk page.
I am unclear on Wikipedia best practices for continued requests for all the usual hatemongering, including requests for using name and pronouns assigned at birth. If any users have interest and capacity to address a higher profile case of LGBT harassment then this one might be that. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, On the occasion of the international Holocaust Remembrance Day on 27 January 2021, ELC, Queer Code and les sans pagEs are pleased to invite you to join them for an edith-a-thon with a special focus on 'Lesbians in the Holocaust', Jewish, Resistance fighters, asocials, Roma, Jehova Witnesses, people with disabilities, communists, anarchists and other categories of people persecuted by the Nazi regime.' See here for more details https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Les_sans_pagEs/Lesbians*_during_the_Holocaust. Hoping some people will join. Kind regards, -- Nattes à chat ( talk) 19:44, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello everyone! I am involved in two discussions, which I'd like to get your input on:
1. A discussion on the List of LGBT characters in television and radio talk page about whether to split the page off into respective pages for lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, asexual, and intersex characters, since some say it appears to violate WP:SIZESPLIT due to its current size.
2. A discussion on whether to split off content from the "Portrayals in television series" section on the List of transgender characters in film and television into a page entitled List of trans characters in television series. If approved, the main page would be renamed List of trans characters in film.
Thanks and I hope to see your comments. -- Historyday01 ( talk) 00:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to ask who could help improving the article on straightwashing. I think it would be good to show some examples, like I already tried to do:
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And here is the talk about it.-- Chip-chip-2020 ( talk) 08:32, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Can a few people please add Ellar Coltrane to your watchlist? Coltrane uses singular they, and recently, 205.56.181.195 ( talk · contribs) has been changing the pronouns at the article. I've reverted twice, and added two messages to IP's talk page, but I'm going to stop there to avoid warring. More participation would be helpful, if IP keeps at it. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 19:06, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
I was asked today if WP:DEADNAME overrides COMMONNAME in cases where the person is an entertainer with a stage name. Tyler Reks was the stagename of a wrestler, but now the article is moved to the persons new legal name, is this correct? ★Trekker ( talk) 17:24, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well.So the question is whether reliable sources announced after the gender transition do, or do not, continue to use the former stage name, which is actually the same criterion set out in MOS:DEADNAME. Of course, former names from the notability period are normally included in the lede as well, per the ASTONISH principle. Newimpartial ( talk) 17:48, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Sandbox Organiser A place to help you organise your work |
Hi all
I've been working on a tool for the past few months that you may find useful, especially if you create new articles. Wikipedia:Sandbox organiser is a set of tools to help you better organise your draft articles and other pages in your userspace. It also includes areas to keep your to do lists, bookmarks, list of tools. You can customise your sandbox organiser to add new features and sections. Once created you can access it simply by clicking the sandbox link at the top of the page. You can create and then customise your own sandbox organiser just by clicking the button on the page. All ideas for improvements and other versions would be really appreciated.
Huge thanks to PrimeHunter and NavinoEvans for their work on the technical parts, without them it wouldn't have happened.
Hope its helpful
John Cummings ( talk) 11:13, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello,
I have recently discovered a mistake in this file: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LGBT_rights_in_the_EU.svg
The Czech Republic should be marked checkered red in the section for same-sex marriage. A group of politicians proposed a law legalizing same-sex marriage in the country almost 3 years ago. More information about the credibility of my statement can be found here: https://news.expats.cz/weekly-czech-news/after-one-year-the-czech-republics-equal-marriage-bill-still-waiting-for-government-approval/
I would appreciate if anybody fixed the data.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Václav Skalický — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaclavskalicky ( talk • contribs) 14:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Would someone look at this note, just placed there by a new editor, User:NotVeryGoodAtThis? If it can be verified/proven noteworthy with a secondary source, this might be an interesting addition. Thanks. Drmies ( talk) 15:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello Folks,
I was wondering why LGBTIQQA+ is not coming up as an option to select or even as a main article of inclusion? I am writing on LGBTIQQA+ Buddhists and I am interested in contributing in this space/s.
There has been a lot of exclusion and contestations of spaces of LGBTIQQA+ inclusion and participation in the last couple of years in Buddhist Sanghas at International Conferences that I have been attending these last few years. There's a lot of published material out there but there is also some documentation of the communities in media spaces that are on the edge of being an acceptable source to Wikipedia, so I would also like to know how to move around that as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaitlinKEMM ( talk • contribs) 08:43, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Cheers, Caitlin — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaitlinKEMM ( talk • contribs) 08:39, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your comment! LGBT is certainly stuck in an historical time and space and that's a great suggestion from you to start a page on LGBTIQQA+. I think it is really needed. We need to catch up with the times. LGBT is really from a couple of decades ago now. The common usage is LGBTIQQA+, I will consider the situation and create a page as time goes on. I have a lot of sources. I want to have really good ones. I might create the page here in the sandbox and see what feedback I get.
CaitlinKEMM (
talk •
contribs) 23:18, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
As you may know, I have created a lot of LGBTQ pages in the past year. I recently created a Non-binary characters in fiction, Pansexual characters in fiction, Gay characters in fiction, and a Intersex characters in fiction page. I used to have more for asexual, lesbian, and gay characters, but I recently merged those into other articles. Do you all think I should move those pages to new names, specifically Media portrayal of Non-binary people, Media portrayal of pansexuality, Media portrayal of gay people (which could also be called Media portrayal of homosexuality), and Media portrayal of intersex people, in line with other pages ( Media portrayal of lesbianism, Media portrayal of LGBT people, List of media portrayals of bisexuality, Media portrayals of bisexuality, and Media portrayals of transgender people), or leave them as they are? Historyday01 ( talk) 01:57, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Dear all
I recently started an article for LGB Alliance, a transphobic hate group working in the UK, US and Ireland. I'd really appreciate it if you could keep an eye on it for vandalism, the group is very active on social media and may encourage their followers to vandalise the page. Also anything you could add to the article would be really appreciated.
Thanks very much
-- Trinkt der Bauer und fährt Traktor ( talk) 00:33, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
I started this article about a hoax including transphobia. I wanted to share here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:16, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi all!
In honor of Open Education Week, West Virginia University libraries (and friends) invite you to participate in Wikipedia Edit-a-thon, in order to develop pages about people important to West Virginia and the rest of the region, but who are often overlooked.
Our Edit-a-thon is focused on amplifying the stories and figures of under-represented Appalachian artists, writers, and other creators, particularly womxn, people of color, LGBTQ individuals, and other disenfranchised communities. We have been lucky enough to work with Art+Feminism and our event is held under that umbrella!
This event is asynchronous, which means that during the first week of March (March 1-5), you can make edits to related Wikipedia pages at any time that is convenient for you.
If you want to participate, please sign up through this link: https://artandfeminism.org/edit_a_thon/amplifying-appalachia-2021-edit-a-thon/ ... which will take you to our event dashboard, which has some starting points for pages that need some attention!
Rhizomesandranch ( talk) 21:13, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
A proposed merger of the LGBT themes in anime and manga and History of LGBT anime pages is located at Talk:LGBT themes in anime and manga#Merger proposal and may be of interest to the members of this WikiProject. Historyday01 ( talk) 17:30, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
A proposal to rename Transgender hormone therapy (male-to-female) (as well as the parallel article "Transgender hormone therapy (female-to-male) ) is being discussed. Your feedback would be appreciated at Talk:Transgender hormone therapy (male-to-female)#Requested move 15 February 2021. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 19:15, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Please see my entry at the bottom of the talk page: /info/en/?search=Talk:Laura_Jane_Grace
YarrowFlower ( talk) 17:16, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
There's now an entry for Wiki Loves Pride in the main space. Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:12, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
I hope I have complied with Wikipedia's policies on trans names re the Jessi Slaughter cyberbullying case article, which mentions the bullying of a nonbinary individual who was notable under their previous name.
Should their previous nickname (based on a deadname, but one which they were known as at the time) be the title of the article, as it currently is, or should this be changed as well? -- Bangalamania ( talk) 14:28, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
See page history for what was added. I did some formatting, but realized the section needs attention. Not sure if it should be reverted, or if there's an appropriate tag, but I figured I would ask here. Note the un-encyclopedic line that was added that I removed ( my edit). = paul2520 💬 15:31, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
A proposed merger of content from the Media portrayal of LGBT people ("LGBT representation in children's media" section) to the LGBT children's television programming page is located at Talk:Media portrayal of LGBT people#Proposed split / merging and may be of interest to the members of this WikiProject. Thanks! -- Historyday01 ( talk) 14:21, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
For India Willoughby, who most recent RSes describe as being transgender: she has made it clear that she identifies as transsexual and not transgender (see: Lorraine interview). Should this individual's self-identification be given preference to the way her current gender identity has been described in most reliable sources (i.e. should we be using the term 'transsexual' rather than 'transgender' if this is her preference)? -- Bangalamania ( talk) 15:06, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello. There's some discussion on the Sally Ride talk page about whether her LGBT identity is verifiable and rises to the point of importance to include in the first few sentences of the article. Full disclosure: I am for this change and made the initial comment on the talk page and the initial edit. The discussion risks turning into a revert war, and I'd appreciate additional perspectives. I am not asking for people to come mob the page and rush to Sally's defense, I am asking for truly objective voices to help dissect this issue, because right now it's just me and one person who disagrees with me. I am fully open to acknowledging I am making an incorrect assertion and bowing to consensus, but right now there simply aren't enough people looking at the question to build that consensus. We can ask for an official third perspective, but the guidelines for that ask for the issue to be thoroughly discussed on the talk page first and that's tough to do with two people talking in circles.
If nothing else, I'd appreciate you weighing in on the page about how to properly, succinctly identify her. I have been going for a blanket LGBTQ+ term, while the other editor is advocating for "lesbian" if it is going to be included in the opening. Please respond on that talk page, not here, so it can be part of that discussion to keep it in one place. Sevey13 ( talk) 07:34, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you all for your help in this discussion. For those interested, we had some good suggestions come in and went ahead and made a change accordingly. Additional perspectives always welcome but the immediacy of the request is no longer relevant. Sevey13 ( talk) 23:10, 27 February 2021 (UTC)