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Hello! I have submitted a request to update the article about American banker
Anne Finucane, who has retired from the vice chair role at Bank of America and taken on other responsibilities.
Here is a link to my first request. Are any WikiProject Women in Red editors able to take a look and update her page for me? I am also notifying
User:Victuallers, who has reviewed the article previously. Thank you!
KMBrightSide (
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20:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you and a good point. I think all biogs that are updated by paid editors should record that imput. I have exchanged emails with one of the people who paid KMBrightSide and I don't think they realised what mesaage you send when you pay an editor to write about you. The article I saw by KMBrightSide was (IMO) sycophantic. None of it was actually 100% wrong but on the spectrum between marketing and biography it was not as close to biography as I would expect from an uninvolved editor. The article has since been substantially improved by having sections deleted.Victuallers (
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07:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It would be useful if KMBS added a clear
COI icon to their talk page. It's some consolation to hear that I am not the only member of Women in Red to be repeatedly invited by COI editors to incorporate suggestions for "improvement". While some of the requests I receive seem reasonable, most require extensive examination and seldom meet immediate approval. I must say I am not at all happy about spending so much valuable time reviewing requests from paid editors who are obviously primarily interested in supporting those who pay for their services. Perhaps we can take a more coordinated approach. Any suggestions?--
Ipigott (
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18:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Innisfree987,
Victuallers, and
Ipigott: Thank you all for your responses here. I appreciate the time you've taken to engage with my request and for your guidance. I thought I had properly disclosed my COI when I listed it on my account page and the Talk page where I initially posted my request for an edit review, but I can see now that I should have called it out here too. I will make sure to note it at the top in any future edit review requests and I have added that COI icon to my talk page, as suggested. On Victuallers' reference to "the article I saw by KMBrightSide," I just wanted to clarify that I've never authored an article on Wikipedia, and this recent request we are discussing is the only intervention I have ever made on the platform. I respect and am fully committed to working within Wikipedia's rules.
KMBrightSide (
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21:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Trying to get more musical theater writing women on Wiki
Hey! By my count only 8 of 29 of the BMI alums on the
BMI Lehman Engel Musical Theatre Workshop are women, and I think they are a few who are missing who could be notable enough to have pages. I've written a base-level draft for
Draft:Sara Wordsworth for anyone who'd like to jump in and help. (I haven't submitted it to AfC yet, as I don't think it's ready/could use some sprucing up, but I hope there's enough to justify notability!)
Buf if anyone has an interest in musical theater and would be interested in jumping in there, I'd greatly appreciate it! Additionally, the next person I have my eye on, is making a page for Kate Leonard
https://www.yourfriendkate.com/about I'm not 100% sure if she's done enough to warrant a page, but she was a cowriter of some reasonably popular musicals, including Ratatouille the musical which raised $2 million dollars for the Actors Fund during the pandemic - which I think was the most they ever made from a fundraiser.
Wikipedian339: It seems close to meeting notability requirements, There may be some useful material in
this. While the links to the awards are useful, it would be good to find more independent biographical coverage. If you cannot put together a full biography, you could always expand on her involvement in In Transit.--
Ipigott (
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09:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks so much for the guidance @
Ipigott! I did a deeper dive and found more things in the personal life section in addition to some more projects for the career section. If you get a chance, can you let me know what you think now
Draft:Sara Wordsworth? Thanks a million!
Wikipedian339 (
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15:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Help with new page creation for queer disabled woman artist/author
Hello, I hope this is the right place to post this. I am having trouble getting a new page approved for
Draft: Maria Sweeney a living graphic novelist. My page has gotten rejected three times for not having reliable sources, however all sources are notable publications. I am fairly new to page creation and not sure what I’m missing. Can anyone assist and offer guidance?
Kapyidu (
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14:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The problem may be Wikipedia notability, which is normally based on reliable sources with significant coverage which are independent of the subject. The sources for Maria Sweeney don't appear to be independent: The Comics Journal, The Philadelphia Inquirer and Publisher's Weekly appear to be interviews and Street Noise Books is a publisher's listing. Ashbury Park Press is not used as a reference, but appears to be independent, albeit in a local publication.
TSventon (
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14:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you so much for your reply. That makes sense for why this would be disqualified, but I'm confused about the reasoning -- why would an interview be considered not reliable or independent? Interviews are a very common form of conveying information about a subject in journalism, and would be fact-checked by the publisher, all of which are independent publishers in my draft. Is there any way to use interviews for this draft? I appreciate your clarification, and I'll re-work to prioritize the Ashbury Park article.
Kapyidu (
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17:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Kapyidu interviews can be used to add details, but they can not be used to establish notability. It's like just accepting that she believes she is important, if that makes it clearer. Independent, means an organization she is not affiliated with or which contains information she has provided.
SusunW (
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17:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you, SusunW. I know you did not make this rule, but I think this rule is misguided -- the subject doesn't commission interviews. The fact of being interviewed by the Philadelphia Inquirer is evidence of notability. And, given that interviewing is a common and low-cost means of creating content for journals and journalists, I worry this rule further marginalizes marginalized persons.
Kapyidu (
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17:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The good news is that for novelists (and graphic novelists), the bar is actually pretty low. We can fill in the details of her life from the interviews, but she can be deemed notable through
WP:AUTHOR as long as we can find enough in-depth reviews of her works (independent, not pay-to-play reviews, in publications such as magazines that have some level of editorial control rather than taking all reader-submitted content). "Enough", to me, would mean at least four reviews of at least two different works, but others' thresholds may differ. If she only has one novel so far (as your draft suggests) that won't work, and instead it would be better to focus on the novel rather than the novelist, but the standard is the same: multiple in-depth reliably-published reviews. —
David Eppstein (
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19:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Kapyidu, I think there is some confusion about how ‘notability’ is being used. On Wikipedia, it is not used to mean how important someone is. Instead, notability is just whether one qualifies for a page in the encyclopedia, and the standard for that, in a nutshell, is whether there’s enough secondary source content describing the subject that we are able to write a page about them without resorting to
original research. Interviews are primary sources (and I don’t think there is general consensus that they are fact-checked?) so they don’t help us with this purpose. I know this is somewhat different from what most folks expect when they first start editing. Reading
WP:WHYN may be helpful on this. Even if this page doesn’t work out, I know you’ll get the swing of things in no time! Welcome!
Innisfree987 (
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22:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
One more thought. It is true that because of bias in media coverage, this policy means there will be bias against marginalized people in who gets a Wikipedia page, but after many years of editing and hundreds of
biographies of living people authored (overwhelmingly from marginalized groups), my experience is that it often doesn’t do a living person any favors to have a sparsely sourced WP page, because it frequently ends up happening that they get a flurry of negative media attention on a single episode (say, if they tweet something that draws opprobrium), and that episode ends up dominating their WP biography even if it’s really not a fair account of their life, just because there aren’t sufficient sources to describe the rest of their life and provide balance. Better to wait for solid sourcing that can develop a substantial entry that won’t later risk being so dramatically skewed by a minor incident.
Also, there are at least thousands of marginalized people who do meet the current standard and just haven’t had anyone write up a page about them yet, so I personally think the best thing to do is to start by writing those pages. We won’t run out any time soon!
Innisfree987 (
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01:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I added a few refs and links. If it turns out that she doesn't quite meet notability right now, it sounds very possible she will in the future (she is quite young), so... maybe keep the draft in a file someplace, anyway, so it's handy when the moment arrives.
Penny Richards (
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21:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you! This was one of the interview sources that seemed to cause an issue before, but I hadn't used the Google Books link. I'll add this to the external links.
Kapyidu (
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13:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Low-hanging fruit? Lady Layard
LADY LAYARD, christened Mary Enid Evelyn Guest, was born on 1 July 1843 ... from
short bio, as intro to her 8,000 pages of journals, much of which are online. Currently only seems to be a para in her husband's bio
Austen Henry Layard.
Johnbod (
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14:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
help - Good articles project?
Hi! I thought I signed up for something happening in June trying to increase the number of Good-rated articles about women; where I could ask for an article to be read through quickly by experienced reviewers to tell me if/how it might be quick-failed within the Good review process. But now I can't find that page. Does anyone know what I'm talking about and/or have a link?
jengod (
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14:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Re: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by birth month/Women born in February
There is a person named
Silvia Reyes in this list, but I am afraid that your bot will remove this entry from the list, thinking that there is now an article about the Peruvian referee. There isn't!!! That new article is about the Spanish transgender activist of the same name. I am currently going through articles linking the referee and amending the text [[Silvia Reyes]] to read [[Silvia Reyes (referee)|Silvia Reyes]], tedious though this is. I know, though, that I cannot edit the page named in my heading. Could somebody please arrange to keep the referee Reyes's name on the list? There is still no article about her, after all, and the transgender activist is far from being one and the same. Thanks.
Kelisi (
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19:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Wikidata has two separate entries, and the referee has articles in German, French, and hu.wiki (Hungarian?). The Spanish activist has 4 articles in other wikis.
PamD20:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't know anything much about Spanish WP, but "Just under a fifth of Wikipedia’s content, including biographies, is focused on women,..." (Guardian article) sounds suspiciously like a typically mangled Guardian distortion of the en:wp stats, where - crudely - 25% of articles are biographies, of which 20% are of women, so only 5% of all articles are biographies of women. In the unlikely event that the Guardian's numbers relate to any reality, then the Spanish Wikipedia has done a fantastically good job! Or they don't have many articles on places, species and the other non-gendered subjects that make up the majority of en:wp articles.
Johnbod (
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16:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Or totally. That page says "As of March 2023, only 18.5% of the content in all Wikimedia projects, including biographies on Wikipedia ..", which seems oddly high to me. What's the male figure?
Johnbod (
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18:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Ok, from the Humanwiki page they link to that is "All Humans with at least one Wikipedia article", so very far from all "the content in all Wikimedia projects"! Pah.
Johnbod (
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18:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I just started
Janice Underwood as part of the education and LGBTQ+ editathons. I thought for sure there would be a PD photo of Underwood because she was the first chief diversity officer of the U.S. Fed Government. I can't seem to find any. Maybe someone else may have better luck.
TJMSmith (
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21:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Janice Underwood, United States governmentwide chief diversity officer, in 2023
Draft:Sandra Hemme, longest serving wrongfully convicted woman in US history
I just created a draft for
Draft:Sandra Hemme. Her conviction for a murder over 40 years ago has recently been overturned. It is believed the murder actually was committed by a police officer.
Thriley (
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16:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi editors, I wrote a draft for OnlyFans CEO Keily Blair that may be of interest to the folks here. I have a COI so I cannot create the article directly, but would love it if someone here could take a look and offer their feedback, even move it to being a full article if you think it merits that. I appreciate any insight you have. You can find the draft
here. Cheers
AG at OnlyFans (
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00:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It looks pretty balanced to me, and I made a few edits. It might be good to get one more editor's opinion on moving it to mainspace.
Nick Number (
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22:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Nick Number: Thanks for taking a look and making those changes. I'll let this sit here for a few more days. If no one else responds, mind if I ping you to see if there is anywhere else we might attract another reviewer?
AG at OnlyFans (
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18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
AG at OnlyFans Ok. Also, if you want to upload a better photo than the one I found on Flickr, there are some guidelines
here. The Wikimedia Commons method is easiest if you have an image you can license appropriately.
Nick Number (
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18:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I am working on an article about Sister Anita Smisek in my sandbox. I am trying to verify "In 1995, the Czech community honored Anita with that nation's highest award. The Order of Knights of Comenius" from
this source. I have been unable to find proof that the Order of Knights of Comenius is an actual thing.
SL93 (
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23:54, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
According to
page 4 of this Smisek received The Order of Knights of Comenius from the Czech Cultural Center Houston in 2004. According to page 2, 1995 was the year the Czech Cultural Center started.
TSventon (
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00:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Given that LGBT Pride month is coming to an end, and therefore also the activity of the Women in Red Wikiproject related to it, I have thought of highlighting 4 Spanish trans women whose translation could be of special interest to the members of the wikiproject.
I have just heard from Maximilianklein that he expects to be able to fix the problems with Humaniki around 7 August. It has not been updated since 24 June. In the meantime, the monthly stats on the
Metrics page should provide an indication of progress. (cc
Oronsay).--
Ipigott (
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09:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
TSventon: I am not sure what the current problem is but in the past there have been problems with server space and server accessibility. Fortunately
Max Klein who developed the feature (as well as earlier versions reflecting our statistics) has always been in a position to deal with problems within a reasonable time despite heavy commitments to other research projects. I believe updates are based on wikidumps which occur every two weeks. If you are not satisfied with this arrangement, it might be possible to provide a backup based on a statistical analysis of the number of women's biographies compared to the total number of biographies on the English Wikipedia but Humaniki is regularly used for many other language versions and also covers Commons and other wiki projects. It therefore seems to me preferable to stick with Humaniki unless more lengthy delays occur.--
Ipigott (
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13:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I just wanted to understand what problems Women in Red has been having or is expecting to have with Humaniki, so I gather that there may be a six week gap until around 7 August. I agree that shouldn't be a major problem, particularly as we have been warned in advance.
TSventon (
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13:34, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
My apologies for this post which was based on an email from
Max Klein. It seems however to be a false alarm as I now see that Humaniki has been updating regularly (oce every two weeks) and that our main Women in Red page has been adjusted accordingly.--
Ipigott (
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@
Ipigott, Normally the update is available on every Friday morning (Sydney, AUS time). If not, I try to check back once or twice a day and change the figures on WIR's homepage when Humaniki has done its work. 400,000 will be another nice milestone on the way to 20% and beyond.
Oronsay (
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20:33, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
No talk page announcement yet for July?
I don't seem to have had the usual monthly announcement (but I've already got a woman sci-fi writer lined up to translate...).
PamD09:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It seems to me that it may be because today's a Sunday. I have alerted Magalibrarygirl and Victuallers but there has been no response. Unfortunately, it's already 1 July in Australia. I believe
Rosiestep is unable to handle this kind of thing herself but perhaps she could encourage others...--
Ipigott (
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14:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I see that the July announcement got sent. Yay! A friendly FYI for another time:
Gamaliel and
Ser Amantio di Nicolao are also WiR members and admins (have MassMessage rights) so maybe they'd have time and inclination to assist with this task. --
Rosiestep (
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16:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello! It was me - I didn't see the ping that the invite was ready, so logged on yesterday to check. It would be great to have more people MM - I'm happy to do it, but as I say, all it takes is one missed notification and things get out of step!
Lajmmoore (
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17:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Women in Red July 2024
Women in Red | July 2024, Volume 10, Issue 7, Numbers 293, 294, 311, 312, 313
I unfortunately,
Boud, do not have the time to work on articles for these due to my
prior commitment. But I do hope that these references prove helpful for you or anyone else that wants to take a stab at making some book articles.
SilverserenC23:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for sharing this @
Inkian Jason - I'd like to see a bit more included about the Senate hearing
see & there's quite a few references coming up from google books
see - also, it would be great to see some criticism from a reputable source
Lajmmoore (
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17:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply