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Rik Amrit

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The article lacks significant coverage in third-party reliable sources. The currently cited sources are either passing mentions or unreliable, and a search in Google News did not yield anything useful. GSS  💬 05:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete, although there are number of sources cited, but these are apparently unreliable, could not established the notability as per WP:NBIO. Pinakpani ( talk) 06:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Timothy Redwine

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Current sources don't show sufficient notability to pass WP:GNG and film/tv credits don't pass WP:NACTOR. A WP:BEFORE search didn't bring up in-depth sources which showed notability. Suonii180 ( talk) 16:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Salman Muqtadir

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Sources are trivial (included in a list of other youtubers) and non-independent. One significant coverage is about his investigation by the police. No other significant independent secondary source covering his popularity as a content creator. - AlbeitPK ( talk) 01:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Neil Fitzwiliam

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No significant coverage and not enough major roles. SL93 ( talk) 00:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Trey Farley

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No significant coverage. Non-notable broadcaster. SL93 ( talk) 18:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Peter Baláž (boxer)

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With only primary sources listed, this article clearly fails WP:NBOX and WP:GNG. My Google searches came up with Peter Baláž (Esperantist) and a motorcycle driver, both of which are Slovak, but nothing about a boxer with the same birth name. I can't see this article lasting longer-term on Wikipedia. Clara A. Djalim ( talk) 09:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete no medal means no notability under WP:NSPORT. Can't find any secondary coverage via a search. BrigadierG ( talk) 10:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep, subject was the starring role in a movie about himself ( Goat (2015 film)), and his involvement was covered by such outlets as The Hollywood Reporter [1]. I'm thankful for the nomination because it gives us a chance to improve the article, although I think the nominator did not do WP:BEFORE by looking up the actor's name with the movie's name (Koza) and addressing those sources. -- Habst ( talk) 12:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I AM the nominator. Sure, not everyone has the same Google search results. Clara A. Djalim ( talk) 10:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, per the excellent find by Habst. A movie about the subject! BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Lika O

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Requested by Demeter39G, Here: The article does not meet the notability criteria and merit. The 1 source is not a reliable source that verifies notability. It is a forum like site for local community, which serves as self published blog. http://ruhollywood.com/2018/11/12/miss-russian-united-states/

4 source is a self published interview on an ads website, not reliable secondary source at all. http://www.spektrummagazine.com/fashion/getting-to-know-lika-osipova/

6 source is an article on a gossips site about dating life of a Russian media person, barelly mentioning the figure of the Wikipedia. https://www.eg.ru/showbusiness/66399/

Sources 7 and 8 are different links to the same poster to the city of the city. It is rather a primary sourse not a secondary source to verify notability. https://www.weho.org/home/showdocument?id=26793

Source 9 - a link to the so called LAF.It is not a film festival, it is a monthly paid competition, not recognized in media or the professional community. The link only mentions name of the person, and does not provide any evidence to verify notability. https://www.lafilmawards.net/single-post/june-2021

To summarize- 6 out of 9 sources used for the page do not meet even closely any possible notability verifications. The figure has barely any professional credits, zero recognition in American or Russian media beyond a self proclaimed pop star status. GrabUp - Talk 05:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Based on my review, I found no in-depth coverage from multiple independent, reliable sources. Most of the cited sources are unreliable or fail to establish notability due to their lack of detailed coverage. I also searched for sources but found nothing that meets the criteria of WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 06:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
As per @ Cullen328 recommendation at Teahouse. I already voted by nominating this article. GrabUp - Talk 06:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
User:Grabup, because you simply copy and pasted the other users rationale from the talk page, your own vote is probably okay here. Esolo5002 ( talk) 23:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Yes, it's fine. Cullen was explaining about both sorts of cases, the ones where it would be ok and the ones where it would be irritating. This is not the one where it would be irritating. —  Usedtobecool  ☎️ 01:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Thanks for explaining. GrabUp - Talk 17:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Nothing found for sourcing, this seems to suggest she might not even be a celebrity [2]. This is all I could find, a photo [3]. I agree with the nom, sources used are not helpful in establishing notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 13:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    The Medium article is just an amazing analysis and a major exposé. Maybe she also paid for this Wikipedia article? GrabUp - Talk 13:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: This article was developed on 23 October 2019‎, if you check the article history there were many anonymous edits without a reference which was been undo by many other Wikipedia editors to protect it.

As mentioned in the previous vote, the Medium article as analysed good, but there many Medium article which mentioned by the concern person works, I have also added one article of it. It seems that this article has been targeted by anonymous person. Moharavi ( talk)

  • Comment: @ Moharavi Medium.com can’t establish notability as per WP:MEDIUM and the other source that you added is a video that obviously can’t make her notable. Also, I don’t think this article is being targeted; rather, it seems you are just promoting her. GrabUp - Talk 16:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Sir @GrabUp, If you know that Medium.com is not notable, then why have you mentioned "the Medium article as analysed good" I am humbly request a fare voting process, Please stay away, because your intention is not good. I totally accept if other person voted against it. Moharavi ( talk) 17:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Moharavi, please assume good faith of GrabUp. Industrial Insect (talk) 17:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Hope so. Moharavi ( talk) 17:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Moharavi, I never said that Medium is reliable or can establish notability. You are misunderstanding me. I am simply thanking editor Oaktree B for bringing that article here and expressing appreciation for the Medium article’s author’s detailed analysis. Why do you think my intentions are not good? I have never done anything to you that would warrant such an accusation. GrabUp - Talk 17:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    The source identified as Source 6 features an image of individuals with no description or coverage at a gathering and does not showcase notability. https://www.emmys.com/tags/lika-osipova The Medium article this user added also fails to establish notability, as Medium is a blogging platform, not a recognized magazine, and lacks references to credible media that provide analytical content. The observation that each source appears to be sponsored raises concerns about how the page was approved initially. Additionally, @ Grabup, I have suspicions this editor has a connection to the page or was paid for it. Given the apparent use of paid editing services. Furthermore, a sponsored segment about a restaurant this editor added is irrelevant to establishing the individual's notability within this category.
    Furthermore, the article added about the dating life of a male reality TV persona, barely mentioning the person, and yet used by Moharavi as the source to establish notability looks like advertising. He added that article as a source to " In 2021, She began her singing career with her debut songLights, for which she won Special Jury Award at the Los Angeles Film Awards." which is not even mentioned in the article upon closer inspection. 108.60.60.254 ( talk) 22:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I also verified the source you added from Vietnam. It says on the cover powered by Sunflower Media- Canadian advertising agency. I am a afraid, I believe it cannot be considered a source to verify notability if it is indicated by the platform itself it was paid by the advertising agency. Demeter39G ( talk) 22:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Forgot to log in. It looks indeed as advertising to me, as I stumbled upon the wikipedia page from an ad. There are no significant edits made anonymously to the page if you verify the history. Rather some content removed by an experienced editor Kuru, as non- WP:RS : unmarked paid placement / SEO. It creates non good intentions, as you just tried to mislead the editors. Demeter39G ( talk) 22:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Milroy Goes

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This appears to be a non-notable filmmaker with no significant coverage in reliable third-party sources. He has directed several non-notable films, ad films, and music videos, including Welcome M1LL10NS, a non-theatrical release whose notability is questionable. The currently cited sources offer nothing beyond passing mentions, and a Google News search yields no helpful results. This fails to meet the criteria of WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. GSS  💬 04:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Based on my check, I found no in-depth coverage from multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. This means the subject completely fails to meet WP:GNG. The majority of the sources are around his films. GrabUp - Talk 05:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: Significant coverage in independent (although some articles include interviews), reliable sources. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    (and if the majority of sources is considered to be around his films (not sure that can be said, but let's assume it is the case, it means that the films may be considered notable, so that he would meet WP:DIRECTOR). - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don’t think the article about his film meets WP:GNG as it requires in-depth coverage from multiple sources. The cited sources seem unreliable to me or are full of quotations from connected individuals. It fails WP:NFILM as no reviews were found and WP:NFO because the film only received coverage at the time of its release. To pass, it requires “publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film’s initial release.” I can nominate that article anytime soon. GrabUp - Talk 09:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Mushy Yank, could you point out sources that provide "significant coverage"? WP:SIGCOV requires coverage that "addresses the topic directly and in detail." Unfortunately, as mentioned earlier, almost all the sources are merely name drops. Additionally, I agree with Grabup that the film they directed appears to be non-notable as it lacks the coverage required by WP:GNG and shows no evidence of notability under WP:NFILM.
    Regarding your claim of meeting WP:NDIRECTOR, it is weak for two reasons: first, the film is likely not notable, and second, there is no coverage that discusses the subject in detail. WP:BIOSPECIAL states that "If neither a satisfying explanation nor appropriate sources can be found for a standalone article, but the person meets one or more of the additional criteria: Merge the article into a broader article providing context." However, this is likely not possible due to the weak notability of the film. GSS  💬 09:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    At random, for example:
    Perhaps the film producer with the most interesting experience is Milroy Goes whose film Welcome Millions is being shown on Amazon Prime in Europe and America after being dubbed in the local language. It is expected to be available for viewership in India shortly. Made in three languages and shot in Goa, Punjab, and the UK, the movie was meant to have its premiere at the IFFI 2019 but was turned down because it had been one of two Indian film selected by the Oscar committee. ( https://www.heraldgoa.in/Cafe/It’s-time-to-go-‘Over-the-Top’-for-Konkani-cinema/161417)
    In 2012, director Milroy Goes brought about a whole new change in Konkani cinema by introducing his digital theatrical film, (as was mentioned in the Afd about The Victim) ( https://www.heraldgoa.in/Cafe/Good-days-ahead-for-Goan-cinema/108329)
    Pervis Milroy Goes, known better as Milroy Goes is an Indian film director from Goa. He hails from the beautiful village of Cuncolim in South Goa. He ventured into the Film Industry in 2007 with his first short film “Vengeance”. Milroy gained a lot of recognition as a film director soon after the release of his second short film “Unexpected” in 2009. Milroy was mentored by a French film enthusiast named Anthony Coombs-Humphreys, who not only believed in Milroy’s potential as a filmmaker but also assisted him in producing a remake of his short film “Unexpected” for the international audience. The movie, which was titled “Expect the Unexpected”, featured a Bollywood actor named Deepraj Rana. The movie was released in 2011 and received very good reviews. Milroy Goes’ film “Welcome Millions”, which was released in 2018, was eligible for the Best Picture Award in the General Entry category at the 91st Academy Awards (Oscars) in 2019, but was not nominated. Milroy Goes is credited with being the person to introduce digital cinema in Goa with his debut theatrical film “The Victim” (2012).Besides filmmaking, Milroy Goes also has various other business ventures including a coffee shop, an artist management firm and a Portuguese passport consultancy firm. ( It's Goa)
    These are just examples, it's +- short but significant imv, and there are many of those. If really everyone agrees this is not enough, nor for the film(s) nor for him, may I suggest a redirect for all of them to Konkani cinema (another guideline might apply if one considers the regional scope), that might help add prose to the page, which is very listy. I'm not that interested in this filmmaker, to be honest, and will probably leave it at that (I am not watching this), Best, - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don’t think Heraldgoa’s covarage can establish notability. And Itsgoa is a self-proclaimed blog based site according to their about us page. As it says “ ItsGoa was started in 2015, with the aim of becoming the premier portal for all things Goa. Today with thousands of visitors a month from across the world, our blog based website has transcended the virtual space, with the ItsGoa magazine – a sought after resource for visitors to Goa.” GrabUp - Talk 11:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    It's Goa: A blog, yes, technically, but not a personal one and that is what matters ( WP:EXPERTSPS). As for O Heraldo, not sure what you mean, but it's one of the (if not the, in English) main newspapers in Goa!! Again, a redirect to Konkani cinema might be considered. Really no time to make any further comments, sorry. Decide what you think is best. Thanks. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    It's Goa is not only a blog, but the article you mentioned above is an interview, and such articles are not accepted for establishing notability. Additionally, there is no evidence of who runs that blog or their background, nor are there details on their editorial policies. Such sources fall under WP:QUESTIONABLE. The section "The Folks Behind The Jokes" on their about us page states, "Our writers come from all walks of life, and through our social media handles," confirming that they lack real editorial control. They also encourage people to send in their stories and experiences, share their events and happenings, or create discussions around the articles they post, further undermining their reliability. The other two sources you mentioned are just passing mentions and are not even close to WP:INDEPTH. GSS  💬 12:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Daniel Tinley

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Non-notable voice actor. No sufficient coverage from reliable sources to warrant a standalone article. Fails WP:NACTOR. CycloneYoris talk! 20:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete, for the same reason. I actually nominated it for speedy deletion like 20 seconds before you nominated it for deletion, so I think you overwrote my nomination since we were editing at the same time.
Gottagotospace ( talk) 20:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Gottagotospace: Oops, sorry! You can go ahead and restore the CSD tag if you wish to do so. CycloneYoris talk! 21:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Okay, I just did that! I wasn't sure if I was supposed to delete the normal nomination for deletion stuff though. So now there's two banners: one about speedy deletion and one about normal deletion. Gottagotospace ( talk) 21:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I guess we should leave the tag there. If an admin decides to speedy delete the article, then they will likely close this AfD as well. CycloneYoris talk! 21:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
OIM20 ( talk) 02:01, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

It doesn't appear to take up that much space, and this guy is pretty notable. Why can't he have a small Wikipedia page considering his fanbase and following? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veryfunkypants ( talk • contribs) 20:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

91 subscribers on youtube. Why is it so much trouble just to keep this one small page?

There is an article for an Estonian politician with literally one sentence on it /info/en/?search=Avo_%C3%9Cprus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veryfunkypants ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a social media site. If anyone with a small social media following was able to have an article about them on Wikipedia, then Wikipedia would become extremely bloated. If Daniel becomes a notable actor and/or streamer in the future, then great - he can get an article then! But as of now, he's at the point in his career where he does not meet notability criteria. Gottagotospace ( talk) 21:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
That's cool, but you didn't respond to my initial point. Is it not already bloated with 1 sentence articles about totally random people? This guy has a following. Why is it so necessary to delete this page? What specifically bothers you about this page that you want to delete it within 1 hour of when it was created?
Veryfunkypants ( talk) 21:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Policing wikipedia must be a cool occupation, but you're also discouraging people from making their contributions, and what they consider to be notable to themselves and others.
Veryfunkypants ( talk) 21:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I didn't make the rules, I'm just informing you of them. Please read Wikipedia's notability guidelines for biographies. I bet plenty of editors (including myself) would be happy to have an article about Daniel on Wikipedia once his career reaches a point where he meets those notability guidelines. Gottagotospace ( talk) 21:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Yeah, but he can just have this smaller, "bare-bones" sort of article, so his community knows. He has a pretty sizable fanbase, including me so that's why I feel this is good for him to have. He's a really nice guys and deserves a bit of recognition for his work. Thanks for the support
Veryfunkypants ( talk) 21:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

*Note: an attempt was made to speedily dele with this discussion open. — Railroadr20 ( talk) 21:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC) Struck sock. Hatman31 ( talk) 20:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Thanks so much for noticing. Kind of suspicious indeed
    Veryfunkypants ( talk) 21:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Railroadr20, @ Veryfunkypants - Not really. If you read the page history, you'd see that there were multiple editors putting it up for deletion at the same time. This was even talked about in this discussion thread (top) at 21:07 and 21:11. Nothing sus about it. OIM20 ( talk) 02:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Absolutely no evidence of coverage by a reliable secondary source. signed, Willondon ( talk) 21:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Note: After this discussion got started, the apparent subject of the article requested deletion of the article about him, asserting that the page was created with malicious intent. That does make sense, seeing as the original creator mentioned multiple "controversies" related to the subject without proper sources to back them up. I went to Daniel's talk page and let him know he can chime in the AfD section if he wants, but I don't know if he has seen the message. Gottagotospace ( talk) 03:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Draft too, then? OIM20 ( talk) 03:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#What about article x?. Commonly known as WP:Otherstuff. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Karin Van Der Laag

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Badly sourced, possible sockpuppetry and/or UPE. Fails WP:BIO. 🇺🇦  FiddleTimtrent  FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 09:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Which 2 significant roles in notable productions? Theroadislong ( talk) 16:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Isidingo/Maggie Webster; The Story of an African Farm/Tant Sannie. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
There is nothing to suggest that her role in Isidingo is significant, it is one of many small parts. Theroadislong ( talk) 16:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
You're welcome. https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/breaking-karin-van-der-laag-maggie-from-isidingo-where-is-she-now-20-september-2023/ ; https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2013-07-09-isidingo-gets-a-15-year-rewind/ ; https://www.dstv.com/kyknet/af-za/blad/desember-2017/vat-n-vet-kans-om-gewig-te-verloor/nuus ; https://www.republikein.com.na/nuus/vat-n-vet-kans-2018-09-07... - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: The South African article above was written by a creative content writer with a versatile writing background and is a promotional fluff piece with claims like her talent transcends borders, artistic prowess extends beyond acting and multifaceted career serves as an inspiration to aspiring artists. Creative writing indeed. The others are mentions and the ones used in the article are WP:UGC. S0091 ( talk) 16:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC) S0091 ( talk) 16:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ S0091 GPTZero finds that at least sections from https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/breaking-karin-van-der-laag-maggie-from-isidingo-where-is-she-now-20-september-2023/ were written by AI. 🇺🇦  FiddleTimtrent  FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 16:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Timtrent doesn't surprise me. This is the third or so article I have come across published in The South African that was promo, with the others being written by marketing/PR professionals so likely paid for. S0091 ( talk) 17:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Lori Wells

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I have been unable to find sources to meet WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. The single source cited in the article is a Wordpress blog. She doesn't seem to me to meet WP:NACTOR either; Coronation Street is a notable show but her role in it was not significant, Kisses at Fifty is one episode of an anthology drama. Overall, she doesn't seem to meet notability requirements. Chocmilk03 ( talk) 04:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Delete While she does have a Wikipedia page, most of her roles seem to be minor, except Get Some In! in which she has acted in 21 episodes, but as a minor role. She doesn't meet the notability criterion. Wikilover3509 ( talk) 08:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep Kisses at Fifty was a one-off TV play, but an important one, where she had an important role. It was one of the best-known plays in Play for Today, and the BBC repeated it quite recently. Here role in Get Some In! wasn't that minor, she appears in the list of characters, and in the box at the start (and I did not put her there). PatGallacher ( talk) 14:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: seems to pass WP:NACTOR for 2 significant roles in notable productions. More sources wouldn't hurt. I would have suggested a redirect to Kisses at Fifty, but her role in Get Some In! is also rather significant. Worst case scenario, that might be a solution, though. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Vladlena Sandu

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A screenwriter and theater director who has directed some non-notable films and documentaries fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:FILMMAKER. There is no significant coverage in third-party reliable sources. Almost all currently cited sources are interviews, with a few being unreliable or merely passing mentions. GSS  💬 15:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Umer Naru

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Fails NACTOR since he didn't have major roles in TV dramas. The subject also doesn't seems to meet GNG. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 19:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Dan Hennessey

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Lacking of citations and General Notability Bennyaha ( talk) 04:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Stun Siva

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No valid reliable sources. Fails WP:SIRS and so fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: The subject fails to meet the criteria outlined in WP:GNG, as no reliable sources were found after my investigation. The Times of India cannot establish notability according to WP:TOI. Additionally, citing YouTube in the article is entirely pointless when it comes to establishing notability. GrabUp - Talk 12:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Poor and unreliable sources that do not have coverage on the subject's biography. Few words on turning from stuntman to director to getting opportunities to movies he is associated with. Fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG. RangersRus ( talk) 12:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The article fails WP:GNG & WP:NBIO and is full of unreliable sources. Based Kashmiri ( talk) 06:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. I have included the early life, personal life & carrer as part of Stun Siva's biography WP:BIO in the page: Stun Siva and WP:SIRS along with including articles from The Hindu & The New Indian Express newspapers & Google Books WP:SIRS, WP:THEHINDU and WP:INDIANEXP as evidences for Stun Siva's life, career and achievements. Please kindly consider my points to retain the page: Stun Siva— Preceding signed comment added by Ratheef Ahammed Refuon ( talk 14:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Daria Zueva

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Significance for WP:BIO is not visible. Typically, articles in other language sections were made by the same participant with the only interest in Wikipedia in the form of creating articles about this person.-- Анатолий Росдашин ( talk) 01:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Memoona Qudoos

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At first glance, the actor appears to be well-known with numerous roles in television serials, films, and what not. However, upon closer inspection, it becomes evident that the subject only had minor roles in the majority of those television serials and films, thus failing to meet NACTOR. Anyone wishing to argue based on GNG must provide THREE, i repeat, THREE of the best coverages in RS -only. ROTM coverage like this, this and even INTERVIEWS like this is not enough to meet GNG. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 20:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Azeem Sajjad

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Fails NACTOR and WP:DIRECTOR since he didn't have major roles in TV dramas, and also the TV dramas and film he directed fail GNG themselves. The subject also doesn't meet GNG. Anyone willing to prove me wrong must either provide Three best coverage references for assessment based on GNG, prove that he had major roles in those TV dramas for meeting NACTOR, or show that the TV dramas/film he directed meet GNG themselves. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 13:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep Notable artist, has been part of notable projects in Pakistani showbiz industry. Failure of some projects doesn't mean that he's no more notable. If that's the case then why do we have articles for his directions. Muneebll ( talk) 18:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Can you demonstrate that the TV dramas/film he directed meet GNG themselves? — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 18:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep - plenty of coverage on Azeem Sajjad's role as film-maker in Pakistani media - "Chaudhry is being directed by Azeem Sajjad, whose name previously hit headlines for his 8689 project that starred Saba Qamar." ( Dawn), "Azeem Sajjad's upcoming movie is based on the life of late SP Chaudhry Aslam and we have a poster to see that for ourselves." ( Dawn), " "Director, actor, writer of his debut film '8969', Azeem Sajjad, has said the flick being released on Dec 2 across the country" ( Dawn), "A four-hour-long cut of Chaudhry was directed by Azeem Sajjad that made even less sense (Sajjad’s last venture was the unforgivable 8969). According to the nightmarish behind-the-scenes story, Sajjad overshot the film without coherence, exceeding the budget by a fair number of crores. ", ( Dawn), etc. -- Soman ( talk) 21:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Gianni Mammolotti

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Doesn't meet WP:NCREATIVE. No in-depth coverage. Can't find anything about him online except an IMDB page. Clear friend a 💬 21:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Agha Mustafa Hassan

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At first glance, the actor appears to be well-known with numerous roles in television serials, films, and what not. However, upon closer inspection, it becomes evident that the subject only had minor roles in the majority of those television serials and films, thus failing to meet NACTOR. Anyone wishing to argue based on GNG must provide THREE, i repeat, THREE of the best coverages in RS -only. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 19:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep Nominator is harassing me by calling me UPE/sock on numerous platforms without any single evidence and nominating all articles created/edited by me despite meeting criteria. As for this AFD, he is clearly meeting WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. I am presenting some sources from reliable newspapers for proving my point.

  • The News International [15] Libraa2019 ( talk) 20:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Libraa2019, Can you please provide WP:THREE best coverage that you believe is sufficient to meet GNG ? — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 23:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply
      • You can self choose three best coverage from the ones i mentioned above as they all are best sources and are sufficient to meet GNG. Libraa2019 ( talk) 02:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply
        • Libraa2019, It's up to you to provide the THREE best coverage that you believe should be good enough to meet GNG. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 09:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply
          • All of them are best coverage. These sources are covering this actor in-depth. i presented more than what you have asked. Daily Times, Dawn News, Daily Pakistan, all of them are reliable and authentic newspapers & These sources are available in B, C and Good rated Pakistani articles.. Libraa2019 ( talk) 13:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply
            • Libraa2019, Either you're not willing to grasp my point or perhaps simply refuse to WP:LISTEN. Is it a strategy to simply ignore, hoping the AfD will close with no consensus? — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 18:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply
              • Such things applied to you. In personal disagreements you've gone too far. Editors have told you on other AFD's that i presented more than what you asked [16] [17] [18] [19] but you have decided not to listen any. I said it personal because you are Labelling every authentic source as unreliable, every role as minor and hoping to delete articles despite of these articles meeting criteria. Libraa2019 ( talk) 23:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I am providing some other reliable sources which i found during research.
  • Bol News [22] [23] Libraa2019 ( talk) 17:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Offering numerous sources won't necessarily strengthen the argument. Can you provide THREE excellent sources instead? — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 17:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    The history at mutiple AFD's indicates that i provide authentic sources and you reject so please leave some things to others. Libraa2019 ( talk) 17:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    And you mentioned at Imaam Mazari's AFD that Coverage doesn't always have to be in-depth [24] but contineously asking me to provide in-depth coverage. Still i presented multiple reliable sources with in-depth coverage. Libraa2019 ( talk) 17:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: WP:NACTOR seems met, with various significant roles (although not lead) in notable productions. (Also, WP:THREE is an WP:Essay.) - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Victor Cesar Bota

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Does not meet WP:GNG, no usable citations included in the article; an internet search turned up database entries for "THE GRACIES AND THE BIRTH OF VALE TUDO", but no coverage that could serve towards writing an article about that film or Bota. Page also apparently has a history of WP:UPE. signed, Rosguill talk 17:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Not provide sufficient independent, reliable sources to verify his notability, with much of the information coming from self-published or primary sources-- Assirian cat ( talk) 07:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete:Absolutely fails GNG, among several other issues. Which is probably why it looks like an SPA attempted to make it look legitimate - by adding a bunch of bad references like blogs and other unreliable sources, failed verifications, trivial mentions, or just "Roku.com". Spagooder ( talk) 20:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Seems to be NPOV/COI issues. Not much reliable sources found. Fails GNG. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️( 🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔) 02:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Ville Seivo

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WP:BEFORE yields nothing of use. Only film databases and user generated content. Printed coverage in foreign language is unlikely, as the subject seems to have played minor roles in not many major works. However, if they exist, one may list so. X ( talk) 03:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Danial Afzal Khan

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The subject does not meet WP:NACTOR. No evidence indicating significant roles in notable films, TV dramas, etc. Merely being in a film or TV drama does not make one Inherently notable. A quick Google search doesn't yield anything either which can meet WP:GNG either. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 16:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

How many articles that you created have they nominated for deletion? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Spiderone, They nominated Abdullah Seja, added notability tag to Qudsia Ali, Agha Mustafa Hassan & Abu Aleeha [25], the tag was removed by another senior editor [26] but again it was added by nominator without giving any reason [27]. These articles are easily meeting wikipidea criteria but i will not remove these tags as i respect senior editors perspective. Libraa2019 ( talk) 05:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Libraa2019, And I've just nominated Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qudsia Ali and I've provided my reasoning there. Regarding why I tagged Abu Aleeha, see Talk:Abu Aleeha. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 10:28, 11 May 2024 (UTC) reply
You are unable to understand any rationale and clearly not ready to listen others despite of them proving their points. Any ways, i dont have much time to spend as i am engaged in personal life. Good luck with your mission. Libraa2019 ( talk) 11:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC) reply

*Keep - appears to be WP:NACTOR with [28] and [29]. Having worked in films and critically acclaimed series as well. Google search also yields potential material to improve his article with. Should be tagged for "Additional Citations". Sameeerrr ( talk) 15:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC) (Nota bene Blocked sockpuppet) reply

  • Please don't use interview-based coverage to establish GNG. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 15:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Have added few, merely not based on interviews. There are more sources available, I'd suggest you to research about a subject prior to initiating an WP:AfD on. I've noticed your certain WP:AfD should have been tagged for improvement as there's much enough coverage available to establish WP:GNG about them. For instance, my take on WP:AfD of Tumhare Husn Ke Naam, Muhabbat Gumshuda Meri (TV series) etc. Sameeerrr ( talk) 15:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I think CNMall41 ( talk · contribs) mentioned elsewhere that simply adding references to the article won't help. You need to provide THREE of the best sources here that aren't ROTM coverage or interview-based to help establish GNG. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 15:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't understand your approach of providing "THREE" best references. If we were supposed to provide the only three best references, then I wonder Wikipedia would have limited it WP:References section "To add Three Best sources" only. Sameeerrr ( talk) 15:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep multiple notable roles through which passes WP:NACTOR and significant coverage as one can confirm at [30] therefore passes WP:GNG. Libraa2019 ( talk) 10:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Please provide evidence indicating major roles. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 10:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Already provided. You are not ready to check any. Libraa2019 ( talk) 10:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Providing significant coverage in multiple reliable sources as an evidences.
  • Daily Times [31]
  • Daily Times [45] Libraa2019 ( talk) 11:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Please show proof that the subject had major roles. None of the sources you've provided confirm this. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 11:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    You have visited all these sources in 3 minutes?? As you replied in less than 5 minutes, it clearly says you are not ready to check any source. If i would present some wiki articles where he played notable roles then you will take them to AFD and game the system, the same you did with Abdullah Seja. Libraa2019 ( talk) 11:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • For other editors and record, All the attached sources are claiming he has played significant roles in multiple television serials and he also played a lead role in feature film Aksbandh, [46] Libraa2019 ( talk) 12:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Libraa2019, No. I haven't been able to verify your claims that the subject had major roles in TV dramas, except for a 90-minute short film Aksbandh, which is not sufficient to meet WP:NACTOR. Fyi, simply doing some supporting roles in TV dramas isn't enough to qualify under NACTOR. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 16:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
      • Per WP:BASIC, if an actor has sufficient coverage in reliable sources then he/she is notable. He played major role in Kab Mere Kehlaoge, Mohlat etc. And btw that comment was for other editors not you. Sources like The Express Tribune, DAWN, The News International did'nt satisfy you because article is my creation. Libraa2019 ( talk) 16:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
        Please clarify whether you want to assess WP:N based on NACTOR or GNG. If GNG, please provide THREE best sources. And thanks for informing me about Kab Mere Kehlaoge; it doesn't appear to be a notable drama. I've AfD'd it. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 16:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
        • You are not an admin to whom i will respond and satisfy every time. Many editors have told you that i am presenting authentic sources but you denied [47] [48] I have provided more than 10 reliable sources for others and if any senior editor will demand, i will provide them. Libraa2019 ( talk) 16:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with significant roles in notable productions.... - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Looking through the first few sources presented, The Nation is a Q&A interview so primary, The Express Tribune is casting announcement with a mention and Dawn is mention. This Daily Times is a casting announcement for Mohabbat Dagh ki Soorat which is not listed in the filmography and states it is an "appearance" so not a significant role and does not appear to be notable show (no article). The two The News International articles are interviews but they at least have some background information. While some roles they mention are not significant/noble, they both mention his performance as Nomi in Raaz-e-Ulfat so I think that role meets the significant/notable bar but multiple are required to meet WP:NACTOR. As I go through the other shows listed in the filmography I am finding most do not meet GNG, at least based on the sources currently provided so while some of the roles might be significant I cannot make the stretch they are notable productions. Draftifying might be an option until the notability of the other shows can be determined. S0091 ( talk) 16:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    • You endorse most of the AFD's initiated by Saqib (at which i am no one to object) but here you ignored WP:BASIC, plenty of excellent sources covering him. I have presented more than enough sources. Subject has started career around 8 years ago and i dont think so he deserves draftification right now as major publications like The Express Tribune, Daily Times, The News International are covering him. And secondly he has a lead role in feature film Aksbandh [51].
    • And one more thing i want you to notice, Saqib mentioned at Imaan Mazari's AFD that Coverage doesn't always have to be in-depth [52] (that article was his creation) but contineously asking me to provide in-depth coverage. Still i presented multiple reliable sources with in-depth coverage. Libraa2019 ( talk) 02:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
      @ Libraa2019 I am doing my own independent analysis so focusing on Saqib is not helpful. I addressed several sources directly and explained why they are not useful for notability. The two The News International sources were the best of the few I looked at. Both are interviews so are still weak sources with one them being an interview about his fitness routine and the other about his likes and dislikes, not about his career, though as I stated they do provided some background. One was published in 2020 and one in 2021 well after Aksbandh. Only one makes mention of film but all it says is that it did not do well at the box office. The one published is 2021 describes him as a "promising young actor", meaning he was still early in his career a couple years ago and eight years is not that long, especially in the entertainment industry.
      There is reason editors ask for WP:THREE; it's not just Saqib as you seem to think. While it is an essay it is one often cited in AfDs and by reviewers trying to assess drafts and new articles. Lots of sources does not mean a topic meets the notability criteria, including BASIC. If your claim is Khan meets BASIC then you need to present the specific sources that demonstrate he meets the criteria. I think it is unreasonable to expect editors to go through a list of fifteen sources, especially with no guidance on how any of them meet GNG or BASIC. Per WP:THREE I'm not willing to slog through dozens of sources to evaluate them. I am, however, willing to look at a few sources in detail if somebody else (i.e. you) does the footwork to figure out which ones are the best. I have already looked a seven or so sources but I am willing to look at a three more you believe are the best ones. S0091 ( talk) 15:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Sir, as far as WP:THREE, please check history of Saqib, he firstly nominated all of the articles created by me in personal disagreements or what i am unable to understand, and he has never satisfied with any provided source and called every reliable source as unreliable and every notable show/project/role as non notable [53]. Do you think he will be satisfied if i have provided three solid sources. He is contineously opposing me but has a different criteria for that particular AFD [54]. Libraa2019 ( talk) 16:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Ok, you are still choosing to focus on Saqib so let me state it more directly. Forget about Saqib. Saqib can nominate all the articles he wants but it is the community together that will determine WP:consensus so you need to convince all the others, which includes me. The best way to do that is to make a convincing argument with three to six good sources. Three is usually sufficient if they meet GNG even if one leans a little weak (sometimes two really strong sources are enough); five or six is usually enough for BASIC (could be less depending) but they need to have non-trivial coverage, along with being reliable, independent and secondary. S0091 ( talk) 17:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I presented independent and secondary sources, none of them were primary and unable to understand why is requirements of wikipidea are too much tough when it comes to me but totally opposite when experienced editors like Saqib create page of a random person who has coverage only for being arrested.
You can check the sources mentioned below which are covering him. And he himself admitted that he was nominating articles without proper knowledge [55].

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@ Libraa2019 I have already looked at all of those thus my statement I am willing to look at a three more. Please refer my comments in my delete !vote for my assessment. If those are the best ones, then they do not meet GNG nor BASIC. The two The News Internationals (though you only list one) I can see counting toward BASIC but they are not enough. And yet again you are focusing on Saqib by bringing up some other AfD which has absolutely no bearing on this one. I tried to help you focus on what matters but it's falling on deaf ears so I am done. Too much of my time wasted. S0091 ( talk) 18:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Please check these sources, are they able to meet GNG?

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Abdullah Seja

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This doesn't seem to meet WP:DIRECTOR or even WP:ANYBIO. A Google search doesn't turn up anything that aligns with WP:GNG. It's likely a case of UPE — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 16:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note Nominator is unable to understand any rationale and nominating all articles created by me despite meeting criteria of wikipidea. Libraa2019 ( talk) 11:26, 11 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Libraa2019, Hold on a sec—what I'm seeing is that he's just a producer of some of the shows you mentioned above because he has COO position in a company called iDream Entertainment - the actual production company behind these TV shows. Also, I did a quick Google search, and most of these TV shows aren't noteworthy because they fail GNG on their own. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 19:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply
      • You can confirm from the sources i mentioned above, he is the producer in Idream Entertainment. All the attached sources are claiming that he produced these shows. They did'nt claim that iDream Entertainment produced these shows or that he is the COO. Another thing to note that you said most of the shows aren't noteworthy which is your assumption as majority of his projects received significant coverage including but not limited to Baby Baji, Pehli Si Muhabbat, Ghisi Piti Mohabbat, Noor ul Ain, Rasm E Duniya, Beti Libraa2019 ( talk) 19:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply
        • And Saqib, as i said in another AFD discussion, you have gone too far in personal disagreements, now you are nominating his projects for deletion [95] [96], adding notability tag to his projects [97] [98] and gaming the system ( WP:Gaming) that he is not notable. Libraa2019 ( talk) 19:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - per source presented above. At least per WP:BASIC Otbest ( talk) 18:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Otbest, I'm curious how a user who just began editing 2 days ago is already participating in AfDs. BTW, please avoid WP:ATA. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 19:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: I went through a handful or so of the sources presented above and they are all brief mentions or based on what Seja says. Happy to reconsider if WP:THREE are presented (ping me). S0091 ( talk) 16:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    • I respect your opinion but did you visit the sources which i attached against each of his productions. All sources confirm his production in these projects and he can easily passes per WP:BASIC as produced more than 100 notable TV series. Libraa2019 ( talk) 10:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
      For WP:BASIC you need sources with enough depth of coverage about him that one can write a biography. That's not the case here. S0091 ( talk) 14:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
      • He produced more than 100 television shows (Many of them are listed above with reliable source). His projects received signifacant coverage in respected sources mentioned above. Can't we assume article's notability on the basis of more than 100 series he produced? Libraa2019 ( talk) 12:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
        Are there any sources that talk about his significance? Also, neither of the sources currently cited in the article state he has produced 100 series so right now that fails verification. S0091 ( talk) 14:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
        • There is one source that claim this [99] but its a primary source thats why i haven't provided it earlier. Also please check this [100] i mentioned almost 29 serials in this AFD which Seja produced and mentioned more than 20 serials with reliable sources. These sources claim Seja as a producer of these projects. Libraa2019 ( talk) 16:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
          The Nettv4u is not a reliable source as anyone can make a profile and the second is an interview with Ahsan Khan where he discusses making Sukoon so is also a primary source and not independent given Khan is an associate. It can be used to support what Khan said about Seja but nothing more. Also, this is not about proving he produced several TV shows. That is established but without sources that directly discuss Seja's significance, it does not matter if he produced one or one thousand. He is still young so this might be a case of WP:TOOSOON where sources have not written much about him yet but may in the coming years. See also WP:Before they were notable. S0091 ( talk) 16:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Farhan Ahmed Malhi

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This actor-cum-model does not meets WP:ACTOR as I am unable verify their "major roles" in TV shows as require by WP:ACTOR - nor does their coverage satisfy the basic WP:GNG. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 20:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep: He is a well known actor. His roles in dramas has received coverage. His education and how he started his career is mentioned. [101] [102] [103]( BeauSuzanne ( talk) 07:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)) reply
    • BeauSuzanne, Your comments sound like WP:ATA. These coverages can be used for WP:V, but they're not enough to establish WP:GNG. Can you provide WP:THREE best coverage that you believe is sufficient to meet GNG. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 10:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • I'm not talking about Wp:V. I am saying that three souces meets WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG plus his dramas are also written in it.( BeauSuzanne ( talk) 19:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)) reply
    • BeauSuzanne, As the creator of this BLP, you were supposed to provide three best coverage in order to meet GNG. Unfortunately, you haven't done that. The coverage is mostly interviews, which aren't independent of the subject. Such coverage cannot be used to establish GNG. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 19:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Amna Malik

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On the fact of it, she appeared in multiple TV shows but she fails to have 'significant role' in them therefore do no meet WP:ACTOR . BTW, this was deleted back in 2020. The creator BeauSuzanne ( talk · contribs) wasn't only able to recreate it but they also did their best to conceal the previous deletion discussion, which speaks volumes about their dubious editing nature. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 20:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Speedy Delete it with fire. Allan Nonymous ( talk) 15:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: Looking at her last few roles in shows with articles, none are significant (not starring or lead support) so she does not meet WP:NACTOR. Sources are interviews, do not mention her and many are not reliable such as The Brown Identity, Something Haute, FUCHSIA Magazine, Masala.com, Dispatch News Desk, etc. S0091 ( talk) 15:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: I find convincing BeauSuzanne's explanation; some of her roles do seem significant enough and she seems to meet WP:NACTOR indeed. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 03:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Atefeh Khademolreza

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WP:BLP of a filmmaker, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing notability criteria for filmmakers. The strongest notability claim here is awards from minor regional film festivals that aren't prominent enough to confer instant notability freebies on their winners -- that only attaches to a narrow tier of internationally prominent film festivals whose awards get reported by the media as news, such as Cannes, Berlin, Venice, Toronto or Sundance, and not to just any film festival on earth whose awards you have to source to the festival's own self-published content about itself because media reportage treating the award as news doesn't exist. But the awards here are the latter, not the former.
It also attempted to claim a "nomination" for a more notable award, but I had to strip that as inaccurate marketing torque -- TIFF's awards simply adjudicate and consider every film present in the entire festival lineup, and do not release any special shortlists of finalists before announcing the winner. So being a "nominee" for a TIFF award that the film didn't actually win is not noteworthy, because there isn't a functional distinction between being a "nominee" for a TIFF award and simply having one's film be present at TIFF.
As for the sourcing, there is one solid and GNG-worthy source here (#1), but that isn't enough all by itself -- everything else is cited to primary sources that are not support for notability, such as the self-published websites of directly affiliated companies or organizations, pieces of her own first-person writing, and interviews in which she's talking about herself in the first-person.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have a lot more than just one GNG-worthy source. Bearcat ( talk) 19:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Waqar Zaka

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this subject, a VJ-turned-television host and a cryptocurrency enthusiast, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SNG. I found only https://www.dawn.com/news/448557/chit-chat-meet-waqar-zaka this interview and nothing much. Lkomdis ( talk) 19:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • information Note: OP blocked. --— Saqib ( talk I contribs) 20:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • SPEEDY KEEP: I'm curious how someone who someone hasn't been active on WP suddenly pops ups after four years of silence to nominate this BLP for deletion and throwing around accusations that I'm a paid editor and causing a stir about my editing behavior too. BTW, this BLP isn't promotional like they're saying over at WP:COIN. Feels like some undercover agents got activated once I started calling out Pakistani UPEs. I feel like this should be WP:SK because I'm not buying the editor's intentions. --— Saqib ( talk I contribs) 21:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Saqib I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil. You acted like you owned the page, which makes me think that you and Aanuarif have an unreported financial interest in promoting Waqar Zaka, Editors do not own articles and stop attacking other editors based on your assupusons, it will not save the article, as you defended in second nomation here There is ongoing discussion on COIN about this, Regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved.  So let it be reviewed by the community.
    And the nature of your edits look you may have conflicts of interest,  you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. Lkomdis ( talk) 05:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Here's something to think about if I had a COI and was getting paid by Zaka as you claim, why would I remove all the PROMO stuff about him? Instead, I'm adding STUFF that might not make him happy. Anyone can check the page history to see if I'm the one who added the PROMO or the one who deleted it. And BTW, since you mentioned @Aanuarif, if you had bothered to check their tp, you wouldn't be saying what you're saying. Absolutely baffling. - how in the world does Zaka think he could pay me to scrub his PROMO from his own BLP. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 06:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
( Personal attack removed) Aanuarif ( talk) 10:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Why did you stop editing after being caught slipping in WP:PROMO and WP:OR into the BLP? — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 10:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
( Personal attack removed) Aanuarif ( talk) 10:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Saqib, Discussion on COIN about this still open, so don't don't conclude the result of this nomination or COIN by yourself, let the community review the whole case, as you are in a list of ongoing COIN discussion and a potential candidate of COI, I will suggest, please don't make any further edit to Waqar Zaka, as you recently did. Lkomdis ( talk) 11:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment @ Saqib as the user responsible for 50+% of the article text, do you want to comment on the specific issue of notability? It does seem there's not much there other than interviews which are typically disregarded (or nearly so) in notability discussions. In terms of independent content I'm looking at the Samaa article about a trading contest, and the article about him being arrested for cannabis, but not much else.
    Personally I think it will in most cases be uncivil to make COI/UPI/Sock allegations at talk pages (and none are made here). It seems very appropriate to make them at the COI noticeboard. Similarly, there's an instance of seeking guidance from an administrator about your editing, which seems to be good faith even if it might feel like an attack. The last diff ostensibly has nothing to do with @ Lkomdis. If you are suggesting this meets speedy keep because it's brought for improper purposes, that could border on uncivil as well. Oblivy ( talk) 03:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    The subject absolutely fits the bill as a Creative professional. How so? Well, he was the force behind some seriously popular Pakistani TV shows like Champions with Waqar Zaka, XPOSED, Living on the Edge (Sabse Himmat Wala Kon?), King of Street Magic, Desi Kudiyan, The Cricket Challenge and Video On Trial - just to name a few. Even though these shows might not have their own WP articles but they have definitely received coverage from various RS. HERALD's states Zaka started his television career in the early 2000s and gained recognition as the host and director of Pakistan’s first adventure/dare game show, Living On The Edge. Other shows he is recognised for, and sometimes ridiculed, include XPOSED, Desi Kuriyan and Video On Trial. And this HERALD's piece states Its host and director was Waqar Zaka who has carved a name for himself in the genre. HERALD was a highly reputable and esteemed Pakistani publication. I'm confident others would concur + He's recently co-produced a film called Babylicious and lately, he has jumped into the cryptocurrency and is getting loads of press. Sure, some of it might be paid to make him look like a crypto genius. On one occasion, Government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa appointed him as an expert (when he's not) in its advisory committee but it does suggest he's getting attention in this field too. Recently, he was accused of involvement in crypto fraud as well. So if you're not seeing much press coverage on him, you might wanna check out DAWN, The Express Tribune, Daily Times, The News The Nation and so on - all those are legit RS and they've got plenty to say about him - both positive and negative. Additionally, there is abundant coverage of the subject in Urdu language sources but I feel it's not appropriate to consider them here as we're on English WP and thus should prioritize English language sources. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 06:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Thanks for the reply. It would seem odd if brief career summaries in newspaper articles, like the Herald article, demonstrated he is an important figure for WP:CREATIVE. The rest of the mentions in the Herald article are based on an interview. And press coverage about crypto or legal troubles doesn't go anywhere towards satisfying creative professionals (although it might show WP:GNG if he's assessed under another standard).
    I haven't been through all the search results you pasted in but it seems like quite a bit is either self-promoting (something you acknowledge is a risk here) or based on legal troubles. Could you provide the three sources you think best demonstrate notability? I just don't know enough to vote but I've got an open mind. Oblivy ( talk) 07:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Just wanted to clarify that those Herald stories weren't provided to establish WP:GNG. They were just there to show Zaka was the brains behind those TV shows and the shows themselves got press coverage from RS so as per WP:CREATIVE, he's in the clear. Take Champions for example. It got so popular - even if for all the wrong reasons- that it got banned by Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority. And for Living on the Edge, he says India straight-up copied it for MTV Roadies. According to the Express Tribune (the local partner of The New York Times), this show had a solid eight-season run and was a major cash cow for the channel. According to the same Express Tribune, Zala has a cult following thanks to his TV shows. And then there's his film production Babylicious, which got a bunch of reviews as well. Meanwhile, If you check the links I provided previously, you'll see he's been in the press way more than our average Pakistani actor. Sure, some of it might be paid, but there's plenty of legit coverage too. I could pull out the top three examples if you want, but honestly, we don't even need to argue about WP:GNG. WP:CREATIVE's got our back here. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 09:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I'm not going to trawl through your searches to figure out what you think is going to help this article pass GNG notability. So far I've seen a bunch of "this guy is a legend and we interviewed him" articles but based on that I'm not inclined to vote up or down. Oblivy ( talk) 16:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    It seems like you're clearly missing my point. Who asked you to review based on WP:GNG? Also, I didn't provide any search results in my above comment. I suggest you read my comment again timestamped 09:46. --— Saqib ( talk I contribs) 16:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I don't think merely being the presenter of a TV show counts as "creating or playing a major role in co-creating" a significant work. Otherwise we'd consider every actor starring in a TV show to be a "co-creator" and we wouldn't need NACTOR. And being one of several producers of a film isn't really sufficient either -- it's made pretty clear in the linked source that the major creative force was the director. I think you will need to establish GNG to have case for notability. JoelleJay ( talk) 00:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    JoelleJay, Like I said above, Waqar hosted those TV shows, so I reckon he fits WP:CREATIVE, which states The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work.. Anyway, I think I've made my points. I really don't have a strong opinion about this or any other BLP and I'm not looking to be defensive. If the community disagrees with my opinion, I'm cool with that too. Let's keep it moving. There's a ton of work to tackle. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 11:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    A show host is not the same as a show creator: we do not automatically consider star actors to be "creators" of the works they appear in, that status is reserved for the writers/directors. The "role" in that guideline is not referring to an acting role. JoelleJay ( talk) 00:07, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    JoelleJay, So, like I mentioned earlier, he was the guy behind a bunch of reality TV shows which were very popular, doing everything from producing to directing. Take "Living on the Edge" for example, that youth reality show that was a big deal in Pakistan—he was the executive producer there per this RS. Plus, per the same DAWN piece, he wore many hats at The Musik, directing and producing. He was the director of BOL Champions season 1 per this and also co-produced Babylicious - while this states Waqar Zaka is the pioneer of the reality show called Desi Kuryian So yeah, he ticks off a bunch of the criteria for being NCREATIVE, including being a NDirector and NProducer. While BBC calls him a "social media sensations" in Pakistan. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 07:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

*Keep - meets WP: Notability (person). The subject is a controversial and popular social media personality and politician. Sameeerrr ( talk) 12:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)(Nota bene Blocked sockpuppet) reply

  • Keep: Subject obviously notable with significant reliable sourcing. Haruka Amaranth 13:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete due to inadequate independent sources in the article, and nothing new of note offered at this AfD. Subject certainly seems to have been a part of significant cultural pieces but the creation or major role required for WP:CREATIVE hasn't been demonstrated. Non-creative endeavors, like the criminal history and cryptocurrency activities aren't sufficient to pass notability under GNG or other standards. Oblivy ( talk) 13:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Oblivy, What do you mean by "inadequate independent sources"? I can't find any reference that isn't independent of the subject. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 14:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Source Assessment Analysis
Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://jp.reuters.com/article/crypto-currency-pakistan/pakistan-moves-to-bring-cryptocurrency-boom-out-of-the-dark-idUSL4N2MY2QY/ Yes Yes according to WP:RSP, Reuters is a news agency. There is consensus that Reuters is generally reliable, Probably organic source ~ ~ Partial
https://www.bbc.com/urdu/pakistan-56991694 Yes in Urdu language Yes BBC is renowned to be reliable Yes ✔ Yes
https://web.archive.org/web/20190412131604/https://dailytimes.com.pk/375662/waqar-zaka-to-launch-cryptocurrency-to-help-pakistan-pay-off-its-debts/ ? ? probably paid promotion ~ ? Unknown
https://www.dawnnews.tv/news/1104219 ? ? probably paid promotion ~ ? Unknown
https://www.dawn.com/news/448557/chit-chat-meet-waqar-zaka ? ? mere interview No ✘ No
https://tribune.com.pk/story/507331/i-am-giving-pakistanis-a-platform-to-vent-their-frustrations-waqar-zaka/ ? ? probably paid promotion ~ ? Unknown
https://tribune.com.pk/story/879155/i-am-the-reason-why-some-people-now-rule-the-entertainment-industry-waqar-zaka/ ? ? probably paid promotion ~ ? Unknown
https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2020/04/10/waqar-zakas-show-champions-remain-suspended-ihc-rules/ ? ? No Not opening, dead link ✘ No
https://propakistani.pk/lens/#google_vignette No advert site No No ✘ No
https://www.dawnnews.tv/news/1125800 ? ? probably paid promotion ~ ? Unknown
https://web.archive.org/web/20200413074930/https://www.samaa.tv/entertainment/2020/04/lewd-headphone-show-designed-to-help-audience-insists-waqar-zaka/ ~ ? archived, Probably paid promotion ~ ? Unknown
https://www.thenews.com.pk/tns/detail/1030194-heres-what-weve-gathered-from-the-four-corners-of-the-world No No Probably paid promotion ~ ✘ No
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2448056/waqar-zaka-tried-to-sabotage-my-position-as-a-morning-show-host-nida-yasir ? ? Probably paid promotion ~ ? Unknown
https://dailytimes.com.pk/1148194/waqar-zaka-claps-back-at-nida-yasirs-allegations/ ? ? Probably paid promotion ~ ? Unknown
https://tribune.com.pk/story/529514/waqar-zaka-hopes-to-go-from-cobra-to-constituency/ ? ? Probably paid promotion ~ ? Unknown
https://tribune.com.pk/story/837229/waqar-zaka-says-line-pe-ajao/ ? ? Probably paid promotion ~ ? Unknown
https://ecp.gov.pk/Documents/Downloads/General%20Election%202013/Detailed%20Gazzette/Notification%20-%20National%20Assembly.pdf No No Non existent pdf No ✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20181128123043/https://www.aaj.tv/2013/04/main-banoonga-minister-waqar-zaka-strives-to-contest-elections/ No Not opening.. Dead link No Not opening.. Dead link ? ✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20190419213558/https://www.samaa.tv/lifeandstyle/2019/04/we-may-never-see-waqar-zaka-on-tv-again/ ? ? archived ? ? Unknown
https://web.archive.org/web/20190530064649/http://dunyanews.tv/en/Entertainment/493945-Waqar-Zaka-seeks-apology-nation-destroying-young-minds/ No No archived site ~ ✘ No
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/396309-arrese No No Probably paid press ~ ✘ No
https://dunyanews.tv/en/Entertainment/467143-Waqar-Zaka-arrested-over-possessing-sheesha-denies-consuming-alcohol ? No Link not opening ~ ✘ No
https://www.samaa.tv/20873698-solo-champion-waqar-zaka-wins-solo-trader-round-of-bitcoin-world-cup ? ? ~ Probably paid promotion ? Unknown
https://www.samaa.tv/20873569-bitcoin-world-cup-waqar-zaka-eyes-victory-ranks-3-among-2-500-traders ? ? Probably paid promotion ~ ? Unknown
https://www.brecorder.com/ ? No Probably paid promotion ~ ✘ No
https://www.dawn.com/news/1727704 ? ? Probably Paid press ~ ? Unknown
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/1027586-fia-s-final-charge-sheet-accuses-waqar-zaka-of-luring-public-into-illegal-cryptocurrency-trade No No Probably paid press ~ ✘ No
https://www.dawn.com/news/1731030 ? ? Probably paid press ~ ? Unknown
https://www.dawn.com/news/1735220 ? ? Probably paid press ~ ? Unknown
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.
  • Comment of the Source analysis': I took out time to carry out source assement for all the 29 sources used. From the above, I found that only two WP:RS (Reuters and BBC Urdu) featured the subject partially. The rest of the sources used were mostly unknown and unreliable. They don't qualify as WP:RS. They all contain Paid press which either promote the subject overly or discredit the subject. I therefore conclude that WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV are not met by any means. Cheers everyone! Maltuguom ( talk) 19:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Maltuguom, I've to disagree with your assessment because you've labeled even those news stories that were critical of Waqar Zaka as "paid.". I'm just curious about why SPAs (like you and Lkomdis ( talk · contribs) are showing a lot of interest in this AfD and who seem to only want this BLP deleted. I hope the closing admin will take into account that this isn't solely about WP:GNG but also about WP:NCREATIVE criteria and also probably think about taking SPA comments into account, especially since you haven't been in an AfD since 2020. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 20:44, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    Saqib,My dear, what I did is an unbiased source assessment in line with Wikipedia policy. I am not supporting any side. The source assessment is very clear and unbiased. Take a look at it critically and at my comment. It's left for the admin to decide. I didn't vote "delete" nor "Keep". It's just a clear unbiased assesment based on wikipedia policy of WP:GNG. Most of the sources fail WP:RS. This is very clear! Likely paid promotions both for and against the subject. Why can't we see those articles on reliable WP:RS??.
Mind you! I have participated in AFD n few occassions in the past. I stopped because of the un-encouraging attitidue of editors like you. Why do you add me to an SPI simply because I did what is right and unbiased? I am not in any way linked to that SPI. My account is not a sleeper. I edit when I am free. I came on this to access the sources in line with the wikipedia policy.
Why are you bent on attacking every single vote or comment? It's uncalled for my dear. Let's have a rethink. Allow the admin to take a decision in line with wikipedia policy and guidelines. Cheers. Maltuguom ( talk) 22:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Maltuguom, You got it wrong in your assessment. Those DAWN news stories aren't unreliable or paid for. In fact, they're critical of the subject. And BBC Urdu didn't just partially feature the subject; they gave it significant coverage, contrary to what you claimed. Anyway, like I said, the BLP should be evaluated based on WP:NCREATIVE because the subject has played major roles in numerous TV shows and a film. And yeah, I filed an SPI because I think there might be some puppetry going on here. It is indeed fishy that an account that hasn't been active in AfD since 2020 suddenly pops up out of nowhere to throw in their 2cents on this AfD, especially when this AfD was originally initiated by a blocked sleeper account. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 22:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Saqib, the source analysis is clear on BBC and Reuters. Those are the only two WP:RS. BBC featured the subject significantly. Check the table well. The subject and his cronies used DOWN and other unreliable sources to churn out paid promotions. His enemies also used same to launch attacks on him. I saw all of that by reading through each of the sources. A few of the sources are dead links. Why can't both parties used BBC, Deadline, and other WP:RS. TAside from the BBC, there are no other organic sources cited. Also nothing stops me from participating in several AFD's all through this period just to cover up as most guys do. I won't that. It's not needed. I simply being honest and unbiased. Cheers. Maltuguom ( talk) 23:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
You're labelling all Pakistani sources, even the big ones like DAWN and Express Tribune, as unreliable. It's kinda funny, because those are like, the most respected ones in Pakistan. Do you have any proof they're paid? And even if they are, like, who cares? As long as our BLP isn't turning into a PROMO, we're good to go. And even if some links are dead, we can always hit up the Wayback Machine to bring them back to life. And lastly, we're not here to judge based on GNG, but NCREATIVE, and this dude totally fits the bill. Whether the coverage is paid or not doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. --— Saqib ( talk I contribs) 07:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment I agree with @ JoelleJay that a showing that the person was the creator or played a major role in the creation of significant works is needed. That needs to be shown with reliable sources. @ Saqib can you point to sources where those two elements - significance of the work, and major role in creation -- are asserted by an independent source? I asked before but you demurred.
GNG is indicated because of WP:BASIC, unless you only want to rely on NCREATIVE (in which case, see my previous paragraph).
With respect to your comments to @ Maltuguom, if sources are paid-for they aren't independent and don't count towards WP:BASIC. I see no reason we would accept non-independent sources for WP:NCREATIVE especially considering that WP:RS requires independence (Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy). While I disagree with much of the above source analysis, simply hand-waving away lack of independence doesn't mean "we're good to go." As an experienced editor currently participating in a lot of deletion discussions, I assume you know this, so I'm not sure what's motivating the above comment. Oblivy ( talk) 10:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
TV shows/films Roles Reference
Living on the Edge
Pakistan's most popular TV reality show		 Director [1] [1] [2] [3]
XPOSED Creator and host [4] [5]
King of Street Magic Creator and host [5]
Desi Kudiyan Creator and host [4] [5]
The Cricket Challenge Creator and host [5]
BOL Champions season 1 Executive producer [6]
Babylicious Executive producer [5] [6]
The Musik Director and producer [1] [7]

So, I've put together a table listing some of the TV shows directed, produced, created, and hosted by the subject. These are just a few examples, not an exhaustive list and I've made sure to cite independent, RS to back up the information. Now, some of these shows have WP articles already, indicating their noteworthiness, while others, like Living on the Edge don't yet have articles. However, just because they don't have articles doesn't mean they aren't significant works. For instance, "Living on the Edge" was Pakistan's most popular reality show per DAWN as well the Express Tribune, and substantial financial success, as reported by The Nation.

Love him or hate him, Waqar clearly meets the NDIRECTOR and/or NPRODUCER. Serena Menon of the Hindustan Times even refers to him as a Pakistani pop sensation, and highlighting Waqar's hosting skills being compared to those of India's Raghu Ram so, if Raghu Ram qualifies for a WP BLP, why not Waqar? And for what it's worth, Zaka is also recognized as a "social media sensations in Pakistan" by BBC. --— Saqib ( talk I contribs) 11:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ a b c "Chit chat Meet Waqar Zaka". DAWN.COM. 7 March 2009. Retrieved 19 May 2024.
  2. ^ "Qandeel Baloch: Unmasking Patriarchy in Death". The Wire. Retrieved 19 May 2024.
  3. ^ "What being 'bold' means for women". Herald Magazine. 9 November 2017. Retrieved 19 May 2024.
  4. ^ a b "The Wire: The Wire News India, Latest News,News from India, Politics, External Affairs, Science, Economics, Gender and Culture". thewire.in. 13 January 2018. Retrieved 19 May 2024.
  5. ^ a b c d e "Waqar Zaka bore brunt of being critic of PTI policies". www.24newshd.tv. 26 June 2023. Retrieved 19 May 2024.
  6. ^ a b Shan, Muhammad Ali (29 June 2023). "Waqar Zaka Steps Into Film Production: "Babylicious" Reviving Pure Romance In Pakistani Films". BOL News. Retrieved 19 May 2024.
  7. ^ Salman, Peerzada (29 June 2023). "Premiere for Babylicious held". DAWN.COM. Retrieved 19 May 2024.
  • Delete He was the host of some non notable shows in the past. Shows are lacking notability not because they dont have wikipidea page but because there is insufficient coverage on google. The available coverage about him is also limited, often focusing on crypto currency activites. Libraa2019 ( talk) 15:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Seems like you're thinking this vote is payback just because I nominated some pages for deletion that were made by UPEs. Because seriously, how can you just brush off those reliable sources that clearly say he was the creator, director or producer of those shows I mentioned in the table and that there's not enough coverage about Zaka's shows. Seriously? Every single one of his shows is all over legit sources. Like, come on! — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 19:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I feel like this statement from The Wire says it all "Zaka started his television career in the early 2000s and gained recognition as the host and director of Pakistan’s first adventure/dare game show, Living On The Edge. Other shows he is recognised for, and sometimes ridiculed, include XPOSED, Desi Kuriyan and Video On Trial."
I'll be honest, I don't have any sense of how important Living on the Edge is. The rest of it seems clearly to fail on "significant". Note that #1 is an interview which should get low or no weight.
@ Saqib considering WP:AGF do you perhaps want to strike your comment about payback? Oblivy ( talk) 00:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
No, I'm not backing down from what I said. It's super obvious if one check out Libraa2019 involvement in AfDs and why they voted to delete here. It's like a total retaliation vote.This editor is all over creating and editing bios of not-so-famous actors, but they voted to delete this BLP just because I said keep. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 09:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Despite numerous warnings, you are contineously harrasing me by calling me UPE/sock on multiple platforms without any single evidence, i will report you to admin for this. Retaliation is what you are doing and i am unable to understand what is your motive behind insulting me everytime. Being a Pakistani editor with interest in Entertainment, i have all the rights to participate in Pakistani related article's AFD and share my opinion. As far as my creations are concerned, they have already kept in AfD because community is thinking they are notable [107]. You are not an admin to decide whether the BLP is notable or not. All you can do is respect others opinion which is not that much hard, dont you think? Libraa2019 ( talk) 13:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Libraa2019, Could you please share here diffs if I recently accused you of being a UPE or even a sock? This SPI was filed by someone else, not me. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 14:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
You endorsed that SPI by connecting me with another user without any solid evidence [108], even wrote on Wikimedia Commons "the user is socking on English WP" [109], you accused me of socking on commons without any evidence. You initiated AFD's by calling me UPE [110] [111], all of my creations are nominated by you with similar statements & i am unable to understand your behaviour as many editors have told you that my picking of sources is correct and they recognized my efforts [112], [113], [114], [115] [116] but you objected all of them and you want yourself to be proven correct everytime. Libraa2019 ( talk) 15:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, close to the borderline of WP:GNG, fails WP:NCREATIVE per the sources available and before search results. I agree with the source analysis to a high extent but I have a little bit of doubt as to how all the national media platforms listed are not reliable. What I found was that those specific articles from some of the sources are unreliable because some appear as PR or paid for articles. The BBC and Reuters articles are reliable but not enough to establish clear cut notability. The publisher of this [117] may be reliable but the specific article cited here is unreliable because it is an interview and the headline itself says it all “Chit Chat Meet Waqar Zaka”. This [118] is a mere passing mention of the subject. This [119] and this [120] appear organic but I suspect a PR material pretending to be an organic press article. These two sources are published in two different newspapers but their completely same from byline to headline and the body of the article. My suspicion is particularly heighted for the fact that most news outlets named The Wire are always news agencies distributing PR materials. The date of publication of the article in Herald shows Updated 10 November 2018 while at the bottom it say the article was first published in June 2017 Issue. Then it was published in The Wire on 13 January 2018. This may be a PR campaign. This [121] seems to be a paid press announcing the release of the film, it was an objective review of the film it would have been clear where this source stands. This [122] is a clear sponsored post instructing people interested in his show to download an app of the sponsors of the program. These [123] [124] sources only gave passing mentions are simply in the article populate it. Several links seem dead and can’t be accessed for an assessment. For the trial, it does not seem to be a serious trial because the before search did not turn up strong media coverage expect of a person possibly being tried by the state. Using a few sources about the trial may mean that subjects who are charged for all kind of offences and received two or media coverage may want to use that for their qualification for a Wikipedia page. Piscili ( talk) 09:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Piscili, I repeat this shouldn't be judged on GNG but on the NDIRECTOR / NPRODUCER. And by the way, I'm still wondering why there's a bunch of SPAs throwing in their delete votes on this AfD. You've only been in three AfDs since you joined WP. What drew you to this one? — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 09:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
      Did you make 100 AFD votes at once when you started voting (commenting) in AFD? I have only three or four AFD comments but slowly it will build up to a great number. And I take my time to analyse sources I do not want to be commenting Delete per nom.. Why attacking me for my comment? In the past couple of weeks I was active in Recent Changes Patrol and now I am expanding to other parts of this collaborative work. But even IP address can comment in AFD why can't I comment too? Why is AFD so toxic? Piscili ( talk) 10:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
      Piscili, I'm not the only one with suspicions about you. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 10:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
      Well, I have made my comments and only closing admins will decide the merit of my comment. I should be able to freely comment in any AFD I chose to but what you are doing now is intimidation for whatever reason best known to you. I am here to help uphold the editorial guidelines not to please any one. If you disagree with my critical analysis of sources so be it. Only admins are the judges here if they decide otherwise in this AFD I am fine with it. That will be a learning curve for me. Piscili ( talk) 12:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. The most recent source assessment does a good job of highlighting the PROMO issues I have with the sources. Even if we consider his being director of a couple shows as sufficient for NCREATIVE--which I don't--that is still only a presumption of notability, while per N (WHYN) establishing notability requires multiple pieces of SIGCOV in IRS even for subjects that pass SNGs. JoelleJay ( talk) 16:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Aamna Malick

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This actress does not fulfill the criteria WP:ACTOR as I couldn't find any major roles in TV shows NOR does their coverage satisfy the basic WP:GNG. A significant portion of the sources referenced lack reliability . — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 19:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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[128], [129] Otbest ( talk) 18:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Otbest, I'm curious how a user who just began editing 2 days ago is already participating in AfDs. BTW, the references you provided aren't even RS. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 19:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Uzma Beg

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So at first glance, this BLP looks legit but upon but digging deeper, I couldn't find any major roles in TV shows or movies as required per WP:ACTOR. Also, when I tried to find more about the subject per WP:BEFORE, I didn't come across enough coverage to meet WP:GNG either. Plus, it's worth noting that this BLP was created back in 2021 by a SPA Sahgalji ( talk · contribs) and has been mostly edited by UPEs so there's COI issues as well. — Saqib ( talk I contribs) 18:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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For example, Chupke Chupke, Pyari Mona, Hum Tum.- My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC) (Again, sorry but so many Afds related to Pakistan/TV series, I might not reply here any further, should you, as I expect, not find the sources to your liking for one reason or another or if clarifications are needed; it was already challenging for me to find time to check some of them and !vote). reply

Lovari (musician)

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Doesn't seem to have any notable or significant credits. JDDJS ( talk to me • see what I've done) 03:19, 4 May 2024 (UTC) reply

References for Lovari on Wheel Of Fortune (2023): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV8rMTIQ2C0
https://bobbymgsk.wordpress.com/2023/02/01/wheel-of-fortune-1-31-23/
References for Lovari on Judge Jerry Springer (2022):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U78Iy9fFQkc
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt25965282/releaseinfo/
https://followmy.tv/episodes/2487792/judge-jerry/3x104/103
References for Lovari on Match Game (2019):
https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/match-game-season-four-viewer-votes/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5672484/characters/nm2102281
References for Lovari in The Barn 2 (2022):
https://dailydead.com/horror-highlights-8-found-dead-the-harbinger-the-barn-part-ii/
https://hellhorror.com/movies/the-barn-part-ii-movie-7804.html
https://podcasts.apple.com/es/podcast/trhs-random-chat-with-lovari/id1539578136?i=1000641962062
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I added filmography and television appearances of the subject that reflect current dates through May 2024. 170.212.0.95 ( talk) 19:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Brittany Bradford

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Not a notable actress and very promotionally written article. JDDJS ( talk to me • see what I've done) 18:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep. I drafted the original stub because she was the only of the six actors listed for Julia that didn't have a page. Given the sources I had available I can see why it reads a little promotional would love to see improvements. Guidelines for notability: "The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." On the second point she was the only woman of color in that group of six actors, and one of the few in whole program. Jake ( talk) 22:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - The actress is notable. It needs work but the article has potential and I can't see any legitimate reason for it to be deleted. 2001:8003:6C0A:B100:94AF:C1F1:3164:C5DD ( talk) 09:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete fails GNG and NBIO. Source eval:
Comments Source
Name mention Routine mill entertainment news, fails WP:SIRS does not address subject directly and indepth per WP:SIGCOV 1. Grobar, Matt (2024-03-05). "Artists First Signs 'Julia' Actress Brittany Bradford, Multi-Hyphenate Amanda McCants". Deadline. Retrieved 2024-05-02.
Name mention Routine mill entertainment news, fails WP:SIRS does not address subject directly and indepth per WP:SIGCOV 2. ^ Reiser, Zach (13 January 2021). "David Hyde Pierce, Brittany Bradford To Star In HBO Max's Julia After Series Order". Theatrely. Retrieved 11 May 2024.
Name mention Routine mill entertainment news, fails WP:SIRS does not address subject directly and indepth per WP:SIGCOV 3. ^ VanArendonk, Kathryn (March 31, 2022). "Cozy Up With Julia, a Warm and Welcoming Treat". Vulture. Retrieved 2024-03-22.
Interview, fails WP:SIRS 4. ^ "Brittany Bradford on Alice's Julia Child-Inspired Evolution in HBO Max's 'Julia' [VIDEO]". Awards Daily. 2022-06-06.
Interview, fails WP:SIRS 5. ^ "Go Behind the Scenes of Julia with Brittany Bradford". Town & Country. 2022-04-28. Retrieved 2024-05-02.
Interview, fails WP:SIRS 6. ^ "Video Actress Brittany Bradford talks 1st screen role in 'Julia'". ABC News. Retrieved 2024-05-02.
Name mention Routine mill entertainment news, fails WP:SIRS does not address subject directly and indepth per WP:SIGCOV 7. ^ Witter, Brad (1 April 2022). "This French Chef Producer Partly Inspired The Character Of Alice On Julia". Bustle. Retrieved 11 May 2024.
Interview, fails WP:SIRS 8. ^ DeShong, Bonnie (19 May 2022). "An AAFCA conversation with Brittany Bradford from HBOMax series Julia". Chicago Crusader. Retrieved 11 May 2024.
Interview, fails WP:SIRS 9. ^ "Interview: Brittany Bradford and Thomas Sadoski on Introducing Alice Childress's Wedding Band". TheaterMania.com. 2022-05-04. Retrieved 2024-05-02.
Photos, promotional, fails WP:SIRS 10. ^ Putnam, Leah; Gershonowitz, Heather (May 12, 2022). "See Photos of Newly-Extended Wedding Band Starring Brittany Bradford, Veanne Cox, More". Playbill.
Nothing found in article or in BEFORE that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth per WP:SIGCOV. BLPs require strong sourcing.  //  Timothy ::  talk  12:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep - per WP:ANYBIO Drama League Award [130] [131] Wasilatlovekesy ( talk) 15:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • weak Keep I disagree with the above analysis that the Deadline article "does not address subject directly." It is only a few paragraphs but it recounts her career to date. There is also an indepth review in the NY Times of her performance in "Wedding Band." In this she was the lead, not a supporting actress. While the interviews will not by themselves support GNG, they can be the source of data for the article. Lamona ( talk) 02:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Sukaina Khan

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The subject does not meet criteria outlined in the relevant WP:NACTOR as well basic WP:GNG. No evidence indicating significant roles in notable films, TV dramas, etc. Merely being in a film or TV drama does not make one WP:Inherent notability. Previously deleted via AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sukaina Khan — Saqib ( talk | contribs) 16:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ "Suqaynah Khan making waves". Magazine - The Weekly.
  • I acknowledge that she is an actress and has appeared in TV dramas, which naturally garners some media coverage. However, this interview alone ( a primary source) is definitely not sufficient to establish that she had significant roles. — Saqib ( talk | contribs) 08:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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*Keep as per My, oh my! (Mushy Yank). 182.182.97.3 ( talk) 15:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC) reply

IP blocked. --— Saqib ( talk I contribs) 21:52, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and found in BEFORE fail WP:SIRS, nothing from neutral, independent, reliable sources addressing the subject directly and indepth. Found promo material, interviews, name mentions/listings, nothing that meets WP:SIGCOV. BLPs require strong sourcing.  //  Timothy ::  talk  12:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Faria Sheikh

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The subject does not meet criteria outlined in the relevant WP:NACTOR as well basic WP:GNG. No evidence indicating significant roles in notable films, TV dramas, etc. Merely being in a film or TV drama does not make one WP:Inherent notability. — Saqib ( talk | contribs) 16:52, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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*Keep as per My, oh my! (Mushy Yank). 182.182.97.3 ( talk) 15:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • This is akin to WP:PERX — Saqib ( talk | contribs) 18:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    I wonder why the IP copied all the formatting for Mushy's signature? ;) Must be a fan.  //  Timothy ::  talk  12:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC) reply
IP blocked. --— Saqib ( talk I contribs) 21:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and found in BEFORE do not meet WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth, in a non promotional way. Sources in article are programming annoucements, promo, etc, nothing meeting WP:SIRS. BLPs require strong sourcing.  //  Timothy ::  talk  12:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Sindhuja Rajaraman

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Ok look, there's been a bunch of back and forth on this article, including the previous nomination being overturned from keep to no consensus. I've done some digging on the subject, and here's my conclusions:

1. This individual has not won a Guinness World Record. This appears to be a miscited claim from them saying they had submitted a world record attempt for "fastest created movie" for creating a 3 minute animated movie in 10 hours. This attempt was not recorded by the Guinness Book of World Records. In the previous nomination, it was commented by several keep voters that the 3rd source in this article is from a reliable source. Given that they have printed this very simply false claim in the second sentence, I propose it be disregarded.

2. From what I can see, this individual's appointment was by her father's friend (described as her mentor) and carried pretty limited scope of responsibilities. This article seems to explain it best - https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/bs-people-sindhuja-rajamaran-111032400058_1.html

3. WP:NEWSORGINDIA was not mentioned in the previous nomination, but I would like to comment that I think it makes this specific claim of notability extra dubious.

No ill will here, she seems like a smart woman making a good way in the world, but this marketing stunt is her *only* source of notability. It seems like it will be very difficult to write an encyclopaedic article about her because the only sources covering her are local puff pieces about how great she is. BrigadierG ( talk) 22:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Comment: We literally just closed this less than 3 weeks ago. Let it rest for a bit. There is nothing that's changed in a month. Any "untruths" lets call them (as mentioned above), can be removed from the article by edit, not be deletion. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
    The discussion closed as no consensus which doesn't hold prejudice to renomination. Given that the most recent coverage for this individual is from 7 years ago or so, I don't think much is going to change about their notability status. At best, waiting stirs the voter pool a bit. BrigadierG ( talk) 17:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Businesspeople, Women, Comics and animation, and Tamil Nadu. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: For my part I'm not seeing anything recent or meeting RS about this subject, and I'm not satisfied with the applied or presented sources meeting WP:BLP. Reading the DRV leads me to believe there is not much community support for keeping (as the side comments in this process might lead one to believe). BusterD ( talk) 15:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - the previous AfD found coverage spanning a period from 2011 to 2019. 8 years is too long of an "event" to invoke WP:BLP1E and the nature of the "event" in this case is not well defined. The fact that there has not been significant coverage since 2019 is not a reason to delete per WP:NOTTEMPORARY. ~ Kvng ( talk) 14:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply


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