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(
Discuss) – Terence Trent D'Arby → Sananda Maitreya – The artist changed his name to Sananda Maitreya in the mid-90s and has only used that name ever since. Since the previous time this move was considered, there have been some further developments; most notably the artist's entire back catalogue has been renamed and republished under his current name. His entire back catalogue is now only available under the name Sananda Maitreya, which I believe is an unprecedented move within the music industry. This is an unusual and unique situation which merits our reexamination. Comparisons to other artists who've made name changes (e.g. Cat Stevens) don't really apply here. Just to clarify, ALL music streaming services have had the early Terence Trent D'arby albums renamed as Sananda Maitreya albums, including modified album title and cover artwork too so arguably today Sananda Maitreya is the only and most common name for accessing his body of work. For example the first studio album is now only available under the name Introducing the Hardline According to Sananda Maitreya even on physical media. Additionally, the overwhelming majority of his career to date has been under the name Sananda Maitreya. Finally, it is clear from recent press interviews that the artist associates his early stage name with a certain amount of trauma, it seems anachronistic that Wikipedia would continue to display his early stage name as the primary page name.
MzK11 (
talk) 08:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – National Gallery of Denmark → Statens Museum for Kunst – Per
WP:COMMONNAME;
this result from Google Ngram Viewer suggests that the Danish name is more commonly used than the English in English-language sources. (This could be a test case for
WP:ENGLISHTITLE: "On the English Wikipedia, article titles are written using the English language. However ... if a word or phrase (originally taken from some other language) is commonly used by English-language sources, it can be considered to be an English-language word or phrase". Here the Danish name seems to predominate in English-language usage, even though there is an official English-language alternative.)
Ham II (
talk) 06:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Nir Oz massacre →
Nir Oz attack – While some sources use the word "massacre" to describe the event, most other sources use the word "attack". "Massacre" carries a judgment.
WP:POVNAME allows for such names only when "a significant majority of English-language source" use such a name. That is not the case here and it can be shown that "attack" is at least as common as "massacre", if not more.
WP:NDESC also says "Avoid judgmental and non-neutral words". Sources that use "attack" include: *
AP News[1]: "Hamas attack unfolding in the kibbutz of Nir Oz" *
BBC News[2]: "Nir Oz in Israel, untouched since Hamas attack" *
CBS News[3]: "scenes at Kibbutz Nir Oz following Hamas attack" *
The Guardian[4]: "attack on Nir Oz kibbutz" *
Christian Science Monitor: "attack on Nir Oz" *
Forbes: "Kibbutz Nir Oz after *
NPR[5]: "The Hamas attack", "a deadly attack by militants two months earlier, in Nir Oz, Israel" *
NBC News[6]: "the Oct. 7 attack on the kibbutz" *
Times of Israel[7]: "Hamas attack unfolding outside his door in the kibbutz of Nir Oz" *
New York Times[8]: "an attack by Hamas militants". *
France 24[9]: "Nir Oz kibbutz, which Hamas attacked on October 7" VR(Please
ping on reply) 01:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – History of the Jews in Madagascar → Jews in Madagascar – Per
MOS:CONCISE and
MOS:PRECISE, this article's undiscussed move should be reverted. "Jews in Madagascar" is more concise and also more clear that it doesn't refer to "the Jews" (who would be generally read as foreigners) in Madagascar, but also largely to indigenous Jewish conversion as well as indigenous Judaic syncretic mythologies and esoteric religions. A lot of the article's subject is also contemporary, and "history of" doesn't reflect that well.
Zanahary (
talk) 20:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Transformation (genetics) → Genetic transformation – Natural disambiguation is preferred over parenthetical disambiguation (see
WP:NATDIS and
WP:NCDAB). The form "genetic transformation" is used in the titles of six of this article's references, so it seems to be common enough to be considered natural. Of the possible natural titles, "genetic transformation" fits the article's current scope better than alternatives such as "bacterial transformation" or "natural transformation".
Jruderman (
talk) 18:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip →
Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip (disambiguation) – Just like we don't have a date on
Israel-Hamas war, as that is by far the most significant of the wars between Israel and Hamas, the current invasion of Gaza Strip is by far the most significant of the invasions of Gaza Strip. It is the longest in duration, most extensive in damage, the highest in casualties and received the most international attention. VR(Please
ping on reply) 18:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Kwanso → Kwansŏ – Without the diacritic it's suggesting a completely different word in Korean (관소 vs 관서). There is unlikely to be a
WP:COMMONNAME for this place; the geographical region is mostly referred to historically, and historical papers in English use the diacritic.
104.232.119.107 (
talk) 20:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
SilverLocust💬 18:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Three-dimensional electrical capacitance tomography → Electrical capacitance volume tomography – This page was originally titled "Electrical capacitance volume tomography" and was recently moved to a page called "Three-dimensional electrical capacitance tomography". These two terms are not the same. The latter is a broader term as shown in the wikipedia article edit on 5/14/24 in the introduction section. References are given for the distinction between terms. When the page was moved to the new term, it stated that the term ECVT is not widely used. However, in the later 5/14/24 edit of the introduction, citations are given for the term being used in China, Indonesia, and three different research groups in the USA. It is suggested that this page return to "Electrical capacitance volume tomography". A separate page should be made for "Three-dimensional electrical capacitance tomography", if desired, as it is a distinct term that can include stacking of 2D tomographs whereas ECVT does not.
Marashdeh (
talk) 15:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 17:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Polyamorph (
talk) 18:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Footloose → Footloose_(disambiguation) – The 1984 film has at this point clearly become the primary topic for the term Footloose. This page has a majority of views of all articles in the disambiguation page, and more than half of the others there derive from this film, including the song, remake, and stage adaptation. The 2011 film, which was the main competitor to this film in the previous RM, has mostly been forgotten, while this film maintained the same relevance it had in the previous RM. The cultural significance of this film also outweighs all the other topics on the disambiguation page.
Ladtrack (
talk) 16:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Caffè macchiato → macchiato – This is the proper English name, as the current title is in Italian.
R.L (
talk) 01:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
R.L (
talk) 14:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Doctor of Philosophy → PhD – Per
WP:COMMONNAME the abreviated form without dots is the most common in ngrams, more than twice as common as "Ph.D." and much more common than the full name, which doesn't seem to be very widely used in comparison (
[10]). The proposed term is also more common in google scholar, with 18k results since 2010 (
[11]), compared to less than 17k for "Ph.D." (
[12]) and less than 8k for "Doctor of Philosophy" (
[13]).
Vpab15 (
talk) 16:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Safari ScribeEdits!Talk! 12:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Retrograde (2022 film) →
Retrograde (2022 American film) –
Incomplete disambiguation, due to the existence of
Retrograde (2022 Canadian film). Under most normal circumstances I would just move the page immediately as a straightforward incomplete disambiguation, but there have been a few instances in the past where that's been challenged on the grounds that one film was so much more notable than the other one that it should probably still keep "primary" topic status for the partially-disambiguated title anyway — and with this one being a major-studio documentary with
Emmy Awards under its belt, while the Canadian film is a limited-release indie drama mainly getting over on a couple of independent film festival awards, this seems like the kind of case where such a debate might crop up. So I believe that the move should happen in principle, but am proposing it for discussion, rather than just moving the page myself, because the possibility exists for debate over it.
Bearcat (
talk) 16:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – List of foreign brand vehicles developed and manufactured by automobile companies of China → ? – The current title is... a bit of a mouthful, and I think we could drop a few words fairly easily, but I'm not sure how to achieve the best possible
WP:CONCISE, so throwing it to a mostly unconstrained discussion here. I think we can drop "developed and" fairly easily, I don't think there's a strong reason to limit the scope that way. For the rest of the second half though, I'm not sure if we can shorten it further, even though I'd like to if possible. For the same length, I think "automotive companies" instead of "automobile companies" is a little more natural. Alternatively, if we want to align with
List of automobile manufacturers of China (for consistency), maybe a shorter verb ("made" maybe?) could be used. It might also be possible to drop "vehicles" from the title, though I'm less sure if that is appropriate. So, I think my best would be
List of foreign brand vehicles made by automobile manufacturers of China or
List of foreign brands made by automobile manufacturers of China. Other suggestions would definitely be appreciated!
Alpha3031 (
t •
c) 14:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Bensci54 (
talk) 16:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Abdulmejid I → Abdülmecid I – Per
WP:TRANSLITERATE. The contemporary Turkish spelling (with the 'ü' but without a 't' replacing the final 'd') is predominantly preferred in credible English-language sources, as searches on Ngram Viewer and JSTOR indicate. Both the Encyclopaedia of Islam and Britannica prefer Abdülmecid.
yaguzi (
talk) 14:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
SilverLocust💬 04:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Tibet → Greater Tibet – Tibet commonly means
Tibet Autonomous Region, more info and common links can be found in Talk page of Tibet, also Talk page of Tibet Autonomous Region, current Tibet page can be moved to Greater Tibet
Toto11zi (
talk) 14:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – NoBull → NOBULL – The official company name is NOBULL, not NoBull, and is always stylized NOBULL
Jcostas81 (
talk) 13:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
Jcostas81 (
talk) 14:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Anti-Normanism → Normanism – The article starts with "Anti-Normanism is an opposition to Normanism, the mainstream narrative..." I find it weird that the mainstream theory of
Normanism is but a section inside the fringe theory. The article must be moved and reshuffled upside down. -
Altenmann>talk 19:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Safari ScribeEdits!Talk! 10:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Hoani Nahi → Hoani Nahe – While 'Nahi' appears in some sources, and sometimes both 'Nahe' and 'Nahi' appear in the same source, it seems that 'Nahe' is the correct spelling. 'Nahe' is the only spelling used in the Dictionary of New Zealand Biography article, the Cyclopedia of New Zealand article, and the numerous articles about him in the Journal of the Polynesian Society. In
Papers Past magazines and journals, 'Hoani Nahe' occurs 78 times and 'Hoani Nahi' never. In Papers Past newspapers 'Hoani Nahe' occurs 696 times and 'Hoani Nahi' 47 times. All 47 times were articles about him, not by him; the letters that he wrote to newspapers were always singed 'Nahe'. We did once had an article called
Hoani Nahe – it was merged into this one, rather than the reverse merge, for reasons I don't understand.
Nurg (
talk) 09:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Sloboda → Sloboda (settlement) – This word means "freedom" in the original Slavic languages, and while there is a significant usage in Russian and Ukrainian history as well as some usage in modern-day Russian administrative divisions, described at this presumed primary topic, its usage and long-term significance does not actually overshadow the ambiguity over the other uses of the word for the average English reader. In preparation for this move, I went through the list of ~200 incoming links to preemptively disambiguate them. The usage is typically clerical, to explain the strange term, which is most commonly placed in italics. This indicates that the fact that the explanation was directly at "
sloboda" was a very easy way to get the etymological explanation. However, that's a possible description of editor behavior, which is not necessarily the reader behavior (
WP:RF). It should also be noted that Russian toponymy lists are quite weird from the perspective of a navigation purpose for set indices, with an apparent habit of linking these kinds of terms contrary to what
MOS:DABONE would advise. It's not that I'm opposed to having a link somewhere in such a set index to explain the term, but the volume of this skews the statistics. After going through the list, I was left with 19 links (~10%) where I couldn't identify a clear connection to this particular subject. Mostly they seemed to be generic references to the Slavic word for "freedom". This also extended to Russian topics. Some were references to specific places named Sloboda, not the concept. I had also disambiguated numerous others by linking
Foobar Svoboda instead of keeping a largely useless partial link (sadly I didn't keep a count of these to be able to note the percentage). A search in Google Books for me does not identify this meaning to be primary - I get more references to people named this way. Likewise for Google Scholar. I don't have reason to believe that this would differ for the average English reader.
WikiNav for Sloboda and
meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream archive indicate that the hatnote is consistently one of the most commonly clicked links on the page - even in months where we see a larger readership, it's still among the most commonly clicked links (for example in March '24, with 162 clickstreams to 9 identified destinations, the hatnote was #3 with 17). This is typically indicative of a navigation issue. Another editor reverted the initial preparatory move, thinking this broke links (it did not) and saying this changes a 'long established' status quo - I don't see an actual rationale there. Just because this grew organically as is - doesn't mean it's not subject to evaluation and adjustment. In addition, similar terms like
svoboda and
swoboda are not short-circuiting here and are indeed disambiguated, so this change would seem to make things more consistent.
Joy (
talk) 23:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.Safari ScribeEdits!Talk! 07:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Genocide of Indigenous peoples → Genocide of indigenous peoples – "Indigenous" is only a proper name when adopted as conventional for a particular ethnic group, and when applied to the specific groups who have done so. As a general, global adjective it is not and cannot be a proper name (any more than the opposite, "colonial"), so should not be capitalized. See in particular the lead paragraph of
MOS:CAPS: WP does not capitalize that which is not capitalized consistently across nearly all independent reliable sources, and "indigenous peoples" is not so capitalized (indeed, it is overwhelmingly lowercase
[21][22], except in highly retrictive contexts that refer to specific populations who have adopted the term self-referentially as a name in English). This same situation is true of all such terms such as "native" and "aboriginal". "Aboriginal" is capitalized in reference to autochthonous Australians, and "Native" is capitalized in "Native Americans" in reference to the autochthonous peoples of what is now the US and sometimes (in mostly US usage) all of the Americas. But "native" is not capitalized (by the preponderance of modern reliable sources) in reference to Australians, nor "aboriginal" in reference to Americans, and neither is capitalized in "the native (aboriginal) peoples and languages of Siberia and Central Asia before the Soviet Union", etc. PS: There may be other over-capitalized articles of this sort, but perhaps take them one at a time, since some might pertain more narrowly to groups that have taken on "Indigenous" as a self-referential name/label. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 04:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC); revised 06:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Karma (2024 song) → Karma's a Bitch – This page keeps getting moved. The previous rationale was "The song was originally called that in the Miley Cyrus demo, and the Brit Smith demo. It also takes away the disambiguating, so it more succinct." I’m unsure, however. The article is about the song as an entity, but that 'entity' hasn’t got a name, but it’s clear that there are two versions of the same song, and that they are not covers of each other. I don’t think this has ever happened before. Plus the proposed title is already a redirect to the page, so seems like the most logical title. This is a case of 'what came first, the chicken or the egg?' Another suggestion is Karma and Karma's a Bitch.
109.235.247.80 (
talk) 01:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 05:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – September 2022 Armenia–Azerbaijan clashes →
2022 аttack of Azerbaijan on Armenia – I have not seen a single reliable source saying that Armenia attacked Azerbaijan. But multiple reliable sources say the opposite. Various sources describe the events as an “invasion”, “offensive”, “attack”, or “assault.” There is consensus that Azerbaijan was the one who initiated the hostilities. Some talk about “Azerbaijan’s Invasion of Armenia”, “Azerbaijan’s Offensive on Armenia”, “Azerbaijan’s Attack on Armenia”, but they all agree on one thing: Azerbaijan was the initiator of the clash, and it was Azerbaijan who attacked. Therefore, the title “Attack of Azerbaijan on Armenia” perfectly reflects the vast majority of reliable sources and is the least ambiguous. I will provide the overwhelming evidence below: *
Human Rights Watch: :“The killings took place during fighting between Armenian and Azerbaijani forces that broke out in mid-September, when Azerbaijan made incursions into Armenia...” *
Genocide Watch: :“Azerbaijani military attacks on Armenian territory show Azerbaijani disregard for Armenian sovereignty.” *
Freedom House: :“Freedom House Condemns Azerbaijani Attacks on Armenia” :“The Azerbaijani armed forces must immediately cease their deadly attacks on Armenian territory” *
Axel Gehring, Ph.D., political scientist and expert in the field of foreign and security policy and researcher at the Institute for Critical Social Analysis of the Rosa Luxemburg Foundation in Berlin: :“On September 13, regular Azerbaijani troops launched a large-scale attack on Armenian territory. This attack took tensions between the countries to a new level.” *
Laurence Broers is a specialist in conflicts in the Transcaucasus, founder of the scientific journal Caucasus Survey: :"Azerbaijan's recent attack seeks to enforce terms in negotiations with Armenia"“ The recent large-scale cross-border attacks inside Armenia by Azerbaijan...” *
Maximilian Hess, Research Fellow for Central Asia at the Foreign Policy Institute, in Foreign Policy magazine: :“Azerbaijani forces who marched into Armenia continue to occupy part of its territory, in particular heights around the town of Jermuk.” *
David L. Phillips, conflict analyst in The National Interest: :“The United States criticized Azerbaijan's recent attacks on Armenia proper” *
European Parliament Resolution: :“Strongly condemns the latest military aggression by Azerbaijan on September 12, 2022 on the sovereign territory of Armenia” :“calls on the Azerbaijani authorities, therefore, to immediately withdraw from all parts of the territory of Armenia “ *
Wojciech Gorecki, senior researcher at the Department of Turkey, Caucasus and Central Asia: :“in September 2022 Azerbaijan attacked targets located on Armenian territory.” *
The Guardian: : “This week, with attention focused across the Black Sea in Ukraine, fighting on the border between Azerbaijan and Armenia killed about 100 troops after Azerbaijan shelled a number of towns in Armenia, with both sides accusing each other of “provocations”.” *
Der Spiegel: : “Peace negotiations mediated by the European Union have been at an impasse since Baku also attacked territory in the Republic of Armenia in September 2022.” *
TIME: : “...democratic nation that was recently invaded by its authoritarian neighbor” : “...but also Armenia, which has been suffering from Azerbaijan's invasion for almost three weeks now.” *
BBC: : “I don’t think anyone doubts that Azerbaijan started this operation on the territory of Armenia. Even Azerbaijani commentators admit this. Armenia is currently weak, has little interest in disrupting the status quo.” *
Eurasianet :"Azerbaijan launches large-scale attacks on Armenia" :“Azerbaijan launched a large-scale attack on targets in Armenia, an unprecedented expansion of the long-running conflict into Armenian territory.” *
Michael Rubin, senior researcher at AIP: :“Last week, Azerbaijan attacked Armenia proper. (Last week Azerbaijan attacked Armenia directly)” *
Paul Stronski is a senior fellow in the Carnegie Russia and Eurasia Programs, specializing in Russia and the South Caucasus: : “..the fact that Russia is preoccupied, certainly led to what looks like an Azerbaijani offensive at this time” : “And what we even saw just in the last few days is actually attacks inside and shelling inside cities inside Armenia, not just along the border." *
Kapil Komireddy, political columnist for The Telegraph: : “But so little about Azerbaijan's attack, which goes beyond the disputed territory of Karabakh and targets Armenia proper.” *
Seth Franzman, Middle East analyst for The Jerusalem Post , contributor to Defense News, The National Interest and Digest of Middle East Studies: :“Attacks on Armenia represent dangerous escalation” *
Carnegie Europe: :“Nearly 300 soldiers died in a large-scale Azerbaijani incursion into the territory of Armenia on September 13-14.”Vanezi (
talk) 21:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 05:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Template:Article history → Template:Page history – This is not just for articles; it is for pages of various sorts (for example, it has parameters for old TFDs, MFDs, and
featured portals). Thus, the current name is actively misleading. {{
Page history}} does currently exist as a redirect to {{history}}. However, the redirect has only
11 uses which can easily be adjusted, and in general it is a silly redirect. I am not sure why you would want to use a "shortcut" which is literally the target page with additional text stuck on the beginning. HouseBlaster (
talk · he/him) 16:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 05:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Master's University → The Master's University – the page was moved by @
Cfls: with edit summary "Make shorter (WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE)"; however the school is almost exclusively referred to as "The Master's University", not "Master's University"
Joeykai (
talk) 23:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 03:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Israel–Hamas war → 2023 Gaza War – The
previous discussion has concluded that
WP:COMMONNAME does not stand as other names are also in common use. In such case, WP:COMMONNAME states that When there is no single, obvious name that is demonstrably the most frequently used for the topic by these sources, editors should reach a consensus as to which title is best by considering these criteria directly. I believe the proposed title is better in
consistency; previous wars involving Gaza,
Gaza War (2008–2009) and
2014 Gaza War, use Gaza War in the title, so this article should also follow suit. NasssaNser 03:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
May 28, 2024
(
Discuss) – Bryan Rodríguez →
Bryan Rodríguez (footballer) – Two individuals with identical names. One just has an accent. Previous RMs have agreed that this is not sufficient disambiguation. Also create a DAB at the base name and also include similarly named pages
Brian Rodríguez and
Braian Rodríguez at the DAB page as similarly named pages.
RedPatch (
talk) 22:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – NewLabour Party (New Zealand) → NewLabour Party – This was requested ~7 years ago and no consensus was reached. I think it's been enough time to request a new move.
WP:SMALLDETAILS was practically created for this type of situation: The general approach is that whatever readers might type in the search box, they are guided as swiftly as possible to the topic they might reasonably be expected to be looking for, by such disambiguation techniques as hatnotes and/or disambiguation pages. When such navigation aids are in place, small details are often sufficient to distinguish topics, e.g. MAVEN vs. Maven; Airplane! vs. Airplane; Sea-Monkeys vs. SeaMonkey; The Wörld Is Yours vs. other topics listed at The World Is Yours. The lack of a space between 'New' and 'Labour' seems more than sufficient enough to distinguish this page from other similar titles.
Loytra (
talk) 15:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Rainy Day Women ♯12 & 35 → Rainy Day Women – or
Rainy Day Women Nos. 12 & 35. The current article title is clearly not the song's title and is (very) difficult to type (if you can even figure out what the symbol is, which is not likely). At least two of the cited sources (
Billboard and
RPM 100) just call it "
Rainy Day Women", which is more
WP:CONCISE and already redirects here. Alternatively, the "#" could be represented by "Nos", as
The Official Charts did. Either of those seems better than poorly imitating the visual appearance of the
number sign in the title using a
sharp symbol. The short form would revert a bold move of 17 July 2007 by a user who was blocked for vandalizing
WP:AIV and then stopped editing in 2009. They did not provide an
edit summary to explain their rationale for renaming the page to a longer title. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 14:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Manpool →
Northern England supercity – With reference to the
article title criteria, "Northern England supercity" is likely to be more: * recognisable than the specific neologism Manpool (or the alternative, Liverchester) * naturally used and searched for, given that
supercity is an established term * appropriately precise, avoiding
WP:OVERPRECISION, as both John Prescott and Will Alsop's visions mentioned in the article were about more than just Liverpool and Manchester, extending to Hull, Leeds etc.
Jonathan Deamer (
talk) 22:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.SilverLocust💬 16:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 12:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Right of way → ? – Do not think this is the primary topic for this term. I expected to be taken to a page about the traffic term. The disambiguation page should be the PT, or maybe there needs to be a dab concept article, to clarify all these related but different terms.
Natg 19 (
talk) 16:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 12:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – List of NBCUniversal television programs →
List of Comcast television programs – This article lists shows produced by Sky Studios (and it's subsidiaries), which is not part of NBCUniversal but rather part of
Sky Group, another company owned by Comcast. Additionally, Sky has its own section in the article with other companies that are owned by NBCU, which is misleading and confusing as it can make people assume it's part of NBCU. It would be more suitable if most of the sections were put into an NBCU section, which would exist with the Sky section.
Inpops (
talk) 18:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.ToadetteEdit! 14:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 16:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 12:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Michael Malone (basketball) →
Michael Malone – Imagine this gets contested, and I think that is worthwhile. But, the basketball coach over the last month has averaged 1683 pageviews daily and over 52,000 total. Its median is 1431 views. Of all the pages with "Michael Malone", the basketball coach accounts for 97.9% of all pageviews. Since 5/4/23, he accounts for 97.2% of all pageviews. This, despite seven other pages. As a result, I do believe the basketball coach should have the base, non-disambiguated named for "Michael Malone".
Debartolo2917 (
talk) 01:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
162 etc. (
talk) 15:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.– robertsky (
talk) 18:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 12:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Parachromis managuensis → Jaguar cichlid – So, the last time a name change for this article has been discussed was back in 2007 (see "article title" up above). This article used to be named "Managuense cichlid," but was later changed to the Latin name and current title, Parachromis managuensis, on the basis that it was the least ambiguous epithet for the species. Which is true. Latin names are almost always less ambiguous than vernacular names, but they're almost never as concise or recognizable - for the same reason we have articles named
Great white shark and
Largemouth bass rather than Carcharodon carcharias and Micropterus salmoides, I'm going to propose that this article be renamed to
Jaguar cichlid. For the
WP:CRITERIA of recognizability and naturalness, I present the Google Search results for the names listed in the article's lede (in order from most hits to least): * "jaguar cichlid": ~93,700 results * "parachromis managuensis": ~40,900 results * "jaguar guapote": ~9,680 results * "managuense cichlid": ~8,720 results * "guapote tigre": ~8,640 results * "aztec cichlid": ~4,090 results * "managua cichlid": ~1,470 results * "spotted guapote": ~812 results "Jaguar cichlid" is more than twice as prevalent on the web as the Latin name. It's nearly a full order of magnitude more prevalent than the next most popular vernacular name, "jaguar guapote" - and if that's where we draw the line, then names like "managuense cichlid" and "guapote tigre" aren't even in the running. This is supported by
Google Trends, which shows that on average, "jaguar cichlid" is searched for 47 times more than "parachromis managuensis" and "managuense cichlid" worldwide. We should name the article accordingly. Simple as. Kodiak Blackjack (
talk) • (
contribs) 00:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 11:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – TOPS System → Total posterior spine system – I don't believe
WP:ACROTITLE is suitable, most RS seem to introduce by the full name first, and the abbreviation seems to be ambiguous with at least some other uses. There are a few possible title options though, and I'm less sure about the case.
Alpha3031 (
t •
c) 13:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 11:18, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – The Three Ages of Man and Death →
The Ages and Death – The article seems to call it "the three ages of woman and death". The museum has
The Ages of Woman and Death, in Spanish it is "Las Edades y la Muerte" (Ages and Death). Please note that there is a similarly named painting Die drei Lebensalter und der Tod (Hans Baldung) (Three ages and death).
Las Edades y la Muerte (the ages (of man/woman) and death)
(
Discuss) – How to Do Well When You're a Jerk and a Crybaby → Comment réussir quand on est con et pleurnichard – Per
WP:NCFFLF: "If the film has never been widely released in the English-speaking world, it is not assumed to have a commonly-recognized English name; in such cases, the native name is to be preferred over potentially variant translated titles used in English-language reliable sources." The current article title is not even identifiable anywhere online from before it was boldly moved here in 2018 with an unconvincing reasoning. The former title at least had some usage.
[26] But all of the "English titles" are simply variant translated titles, of which there are many. If the guideline at
WP:NCFFLF has any practical application, this would be a prime example.
Οἶδα (
talk) 04:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Hilltop Horizon → Hilltop Mall – Per
WP:COMMONNAME. Sources overwhelmingly refer to the mall as "Hilltop Mall", which is also the name used on local signs. I tried searching online for "Hilltop Horizon", and I only found sources that discuss the Hilltop Horizon Specific Plan but still call the mall itself "Hilltop Mall":
[27][28][29] —
Mx. Granger (
talk·contribs) 22:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Merion air disaster →
1991 Merion mid-air collision – The proposed title fits better with the titles found at
List of mid-air collisions. The relevant title guideline,
WP:NCEVENTS, calls for the year to be included in the title in the majority of cases, with the only exception being historically significant events. Given that we don't have coverage beyond 1991, I don't think this one qualifies for the exemption. I'm also proposing we swap "disaster" for "mid-air collision", since
WP:DISASTER recommends not using that word: mid-air collision is more precise and will make this title be more consistent with the rest.
Pilaz (
talk) 20:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – National Security Act, 2024 →
Public Law 118-50 – As noted in the prior talk discussion, "National Security Act" is a draft name that may have appeared in an earlier version, but does not appear in the final text of the law[*], so it cannot be the title of this page. It's difficult to discern what the best title is, given that the bill that became law (H.R. 815)'s actual long title is "Making emergency supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2024, and for other purposes." which doesn't feel right for a wikipedia article, nor do shortened variants of it ("Emergency supplemental appropriations for 2024," &c.). There is some precedent for using the law numbers in these cases, e.g.
Public Law 114-216 (and many others). Another step would be to delete this article entirely (why does it need to exist?), or perhaps to propose a inversion of the pending proposed (and unanimously opposed) merger with
Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act. Of all those choices, going with a renaming to "Public Law 118-50" feels the least controversial. --- [*]: Well, we're still waiting for GPO to publish the final text of the law, but it's not in the final text of the final bill that became law, which should be close enough.
jhawkinson (
talk) 18:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Tel al-Sultan massacre →
Tel al-Sultan attack – News sources have called it "attack", "massacre", "strike" and "airstrike". It is not yet clear which is the most
WP:COMMONNAME. "Massacre" carries value judgement, and "airstrike" obscures the fact that many of the casualties weren't killed directly by the airstrike, but were
burned alive in the resulting fire. "Strike" is very similar to "attack", but "attack" is consistent with other similar events like
World Central Kitchen aid convoy attack. I also think "Rafah tent camp" is more recognizable than "Tel al-Sultan" and most sources seem to use "Rafah tent camp" or "Rafah displacement camp".VR(Please
ping on reply) 18:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Washington Crossing Bridge →
Washington Crossing Bridge (Delaware River) – I honestly am not sure what the right name should be, but being that there is another bridge in Pittsburgh of the same name, this bridge does not take precedence over the other and needs to be moved to an adjusted title. My suggestion is Delaware River, but I am willing to move to a different title pending discussion.
JE98 (
talk) 07:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Fashion Model → Fashion Model (film) – Formalising the discussion above. I'm neutral on the matter, but
WP:DIFFCAPS may be relevant. If moving, we should also decide a target future for the resulting redirect Fashion Model.
Certes (
talk) 15:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 15:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 05:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Genesis (Woe, Is Me album) →
Genesi(s) – The technically-restricted brackets can simply be substituted with parentheses to produce a more-satisfactory title. This would also eliminate the need for parenthetical disambiguation.
JohnCWiesenthal (
talk) 02:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
162 etc. (
talk) 05:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Judaism in association football → History of the Jews in association football – Will make title of the article the same as similar articles about Jewish history in a region or in a particular field (including one I recently created called "
History of the Jews in baseball"). It is also more accurate as the article refers to the historical roles of Jewish people in the sport and the significance of football in the Jewish community rather than any particular religious aspect of it (
Yom Kippur alone does not make it so as that holiday, due to its significance, is also observed by
secular Jews, not just religious ones). Please also keep in mind that Judaism is an
ethnoreligion and so should not be compared to "
Islam and association football".
Omnis Scientia (
talk) 17:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 05:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Headstone → tombstone – Dear God, no. (a) Not all gravestones are headstones. (b) This isn't an WP:ENGVAR issue. Tombstone is by far the WP:ENGLISHWP:COMMONNAME for gravestones in every dialect of English (
1,
2,
3). (c) Tombstone already (appropriately) links here, so this isn't any form of WP:NATURALDAB either. (If one were needed, which it ain't, funeral stela/stele would actually cover more ground and be more appropriate for cremated remains &c.) —
LlywelynII 20:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 05:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Kahan →
Kahan, Pakistan – Yet another disambig without a primary topic. I think when I was looking for this page, I was thinking of
Noah Kahan, which is also by far the most viewed article, but it's only the guy's surname so having
Kahan redirect to
Noah Kahan might not be a great idea.
Duckmather (
talk) 03:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Timeline of the Donald Trump presidency → Timeline of the presidency of Donald Trump – Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've found, there was never a discussion for the
2018 moves of countless timeline pages regarding the presidencies of US presidents. Based on this, I would like to discuss whether it might be more useful to move those pages so that they follow the format "Timeline of the presidency of ..." rather than having the presidency as a "attachment" to the president's name as it is now. –
Tobias (
talk) 16:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Carpathian Ruthenia →
Transcarpathia – Each time I want to get to this article I first get to the
Transcarpathia disambiguation page and later think why is this article titled this way. "Transcarpathia" is overwhelmingly the most
WP:COMMONNAME for this region. I simply do not see it in use today outside of Wikipedia.
Transcarpathia has 16,300 Google Scholar results while
Carpathian Ruthenia has 8,530. Transcarpathia is far more popular than Carpathian Ruthenia as shown by Google Ngrams
[35]. Britannica has a topic for Transcarpathia
[36] and no page for Carpathian Ruthenia. I can hardly find news related to the invasion of Ukraine about the region under the name of Carpathian Ruthenia. Under the name of Transcarpathia we find news from several major media outlets
[37][38][39][40][41][42].
SuperΨDro 10:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.ToadetteEdit! 14:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 14:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Too Many Humans..... → Too Many Humans – The article title contains five consecutive dots, which is a phenomenon that is basically never used in ordinary English – I found only four articles like that on all of Wikipedia.
MOS:TM says to try to use ordinary English formatting. Although this (self-released, apparently not very notable) album does indeed have five dots on its cover art, this typographical embellishment is not supported by the cited sources. The article cites three independent (non-user-generated) sources: Louder, Vinyl District, and Strauss Media. All three of them use no dots at all when referring to this topic. One non-independent source is also cited (Drag City), and it doesn't use any dots either. The proposed title already redirects to this topic. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 07:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 12:59, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Mokai Tramway →
Taupo Totara Timber Company Railway – The proposed title makes this article easier to find. Many readers will have heard of the "TTT", the tourist town of Taupo, or Lake Taupo. Few people will be familiar with the sawmilling village of Mokai, which today has only a few houses and a marae. The name also distinguishes the main Putaruru to Mokai line from the bush tramways radiating from Mokai. Many of these tramways were accessible only to selected TTT Railway rolling stock. In contrast, all TTT locomotives including the Mallet and the four-wheeled locos were able to run through to Mokai, where the company had its main mechanical workshop. The proposed new title also distinguishes the TTT Railway from the Kinleith Branch, which covered only part of the route and was built on formation that was largely new. (The original TTT formation north of Tokoroa is still visible in some places). I have a large collection of source material on the railway and the company and I hope to add more info and true primary citations as time permits. I will also propose that a separate page be set up covering the TTT company itself
Kbwc56 (
talk) 00:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Ph1Lza → Philza – It is preferrable to use names without numbers or stylization since that is also in use, meaning it is commonly used by sources and his
Twitch username. Hence why
P!NK is titled
Pink (singer). See the bottom part of
WP:STAGENAME. I feel as though a majority of sources actually use Philza too.
JuniperChill (
talk) 21:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Hurricanes Abby and Celeste → Hurricane Abby (1960) – The storm page was moved earlier this year to accommodate
Hurricane Celeste, a storm that was not notable at all, without any discussion at all regarding it. The reason given was solely because Celeste directly formed from the remnants of Abby. I think this is a poor excuse to move an storm article like this because for example, you have
Hurricane Francelia, of which its remnants contributed to
Hurricane Glenda in the Eastern Pacific, and it only mentions that idea once throughout the article without any other content of the other hurricane. Plus, there is not enough information on Celeste to warrant a merge of both storms, as the overwhelming majority of the article talks about Abby. What I'm saying is, just because a storm is connected to another does not automatically mean to have both storms into one article, and this is why the move was carried out prematurely. I'm doing this not only because I think the move should be reverted, but because I want to see if there actually even is support for the current article name. ~ Sandy14156(
Talk ✉️) 21:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Protestant Church in Germany → Evangelical Church in Germany – Both terms (in English) are used by the EKD itself, but Evangelical is the more common, more accurate term. Etymologically, evangelical/evangelische refers to the
gospel (εὐαγγέλιον), while Protestant refers to the
Protestation at Speyer. It is not true that "Evangelical" is the former name (see
EKD en homepage), and it is also untrue that the term "Evangelical" strictly or primarily refers to the Evangelical/Mainline divide among American denominations. The onus must be on those preferring "Protestant" to demonstrate such a shift in meaning, and I do not feel that prior discussion participants have succeeded. If we are worried that the reader would make this false association, it could easily be cleared up in the body of the article. Survey of use:
Ngram,
World Council of Churches,
Britannica. The lead could read, for example: "the Evangelical Church in Germany, (also called the Protestant Church in Germany)"
Dirkwillems (
talk) 17:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Words of estimative probability →
Verbal probability – Given that this has been here for a decade and a half now, I didn't want to move it unilaterally without giving people a chance to object beforehand, but verbal probability seems to be a much more concise way of defining the same topic, see for example a PLOS article.[1] I don't think "words of estimative probability" is used that much more often in literature, for all that Kent used it in their 1962 work, from what I can see, it's actually the other way around, even though we do have some that use it like van Tiel et al.[2] Of course, most literature does seem to tack on "word" or "phrase" or "expression" or something else like that, but they also seem to drop it easily enough when concision is desired, so I don't think it's necessary for our title here. I suppose
probability phrase is another plausible alternate title if we want to stick to proper grammar, and it does seem to see some use in RS as well, but it seems overall less common, which is why I've opted for "verbal probability" instead. Should probably be a redirect though!
(
Discuss) – Tungipara Sheikh family →
Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman – The current name of the article is
Tungipara Sheikh family which is
WP:OR. The name is originated from original research and no historical book or news article call this family by Tungipara Sheikh Family. This family, unlike
Suhrawardy family, wasn’t part of publication or scholarly research before the creation of Bangladesh and before
Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and that's why people didn’t give any specific name for the family of
Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. There are many books and research papers mention the family as "Family of Bangabandhu" or "Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman". Bangabandhu is his title so it is reasonable to name this article
Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. There are sources to verify my claim. For example, see
this article where it says "8 Bangabandhu family members, relatives to contest polls". The Daily Star states "Bangabandhu family to get more security, free utility, foreign treatment" (see
here). Now some sources also call this family as
Sheikh family. See
this Bengali source where it says in title "শেখ পরিবার থেকে নেতৃত্বে যারা" (
lit.'Those led from the Sheikh family'), but if you read the content then you will get "...দশম জাতীয় সংসদে বঙ্গবন্ধু পরিবারের সাত সদস্য ছিলেন। একাদশ জাতীয় সংসদ নির্বাচনে অংশ নেওয়া বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমানের পরিবারের ৯ সদস্যই প্রতিনিধিত্ব করছেন.." (
lit.'...There were seven members of the Bangabandhu family in the 10th National Parliament. 9 members of the family of Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman who participated in the 11th National Parliament election are represented...'). Now the question is if the nine members are really from the direct bloodline of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman or not. * Sheikh Hasina : Daughter of Mujib *
Sheikh Selim : Son of Mujib's sister *
Sheikh Fazle Noor Taposh : Son of Mujib's nephew *
Sheikh Helal Uddin : Son of Mujib's brother *
Noor-E-Alam Chowdhury Liton : Son of Hasina's cousins *
Abul Hasanat Abdullah : Son of Mujib's brother-in-law *
Sheikh Tonmoy son of Hasina's cousin *
Sheikh Salahuddin Jewel : Son of Mujib's younger brother. *
Mujibur Rahman Chowdhury : Son of Hasina's cousins. So it is not important if they are directly from Mujib's bloodline or not, the sources still call the family as Mujib's family and that family includes relatives and even distant relatives of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. Naming this family as Sheikh family or
Sheikh–Wazed family or
Sheikh–Kazi family is original research, and we should name it as Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman because we know the family because Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, father of the nation, came from the family. And the most important fact is reliable sources call the family by the family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman.
Mehedi Abedin 05:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.ToadetteEdit! 14:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Iṣṭa-devatā (Hinduism) →
Ishtadevata – As
WP:ONEOTHER, the Sanskrit term Ishtadevata (IAST: Iṣṭa-devatā) is primarily used in Hinduism vis-a-vis Buddhism where Yidam (from Tibetan) is the popular term (ishtadevata is a ceremonial Sanskrit term). The following generic religion encyclopedias define the term in the Hindu context * An_Introductory_Dictionary_of_Theology p. 651
[43] * Encyclopedia of Love in World Religions:Page 301 - Yudit Kornberg Greenberg · 2007 * Encyclopedia of Spirits and Ghosts in World Mythology - Page 44 (under Devata entry) Theresa Bane · 2016 * The Encyclopedia of Yoga and Tantra - Page 352 Georg Feuerstein · 2022 Encyclopedia of Hinduism - Page 203 - Constance Jones, James D. Ryan · 2006: "Ishta devata (desired divinity) is an important concept in theistic Hinduism." - illustrates its importance in Hinduism
RedtigerxyzTalk 14:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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(
Discuss) – Sapphic → Sapphic (disambiguation) – Now,
sapphism already exists and explains the meaning of sapphic as the primary topic, as it's directly derived from Sappho. I propose renaming it and retargeting Sapphic to sapphism. --
MikutoHtalk! 21:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 02:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 17:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Pallar → Devendrakula Velalar – Parliament Passes Bill To Classify 7 Scheduled Caste Groups Of Tamil Nadu As 'Devendrakula Velalars', having a page as pallar to refer as devendrakula Velalar is not right. It’s better to move this page as Devendrakula Velalar as it comprises 7 subcastes. The Indian Government parliament ammendment has been given for viewing where pallar and others 6 subcastes don’t exist in the government records.
[47][48][49][50][51][52][53] Page I want to move it to is currently a redirect.
worldgiant (
talk) 04:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)— Relisting.>>>
Extorc.
talk 09:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
Worldgiant (
talk) 04:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.BilledMammal (
talk) 16:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
(
Discuss) – Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza → ? – I'm unsure what the new title should be, but I'm sure that this one has an issue. The Israeli attack on Gaza has gone past 2023 into 2024. So, we can't keep the "2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" part. Perhaps we could change it to "Allegations of genocide perpetrated by Israel in the Israel–Hamas war", "Allegations of genocide in Gaza in the Israel–Hamas war", or something different. Note that "2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" just redirects to Israel–Hamas war.
Paul Vaurie (
talk) 19:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply