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this stub was speedy deleted before I had a chance to explain the notability but after I put a hangon tag on it. I've tried posting on the admins talk, but he's obviously having a life. I've explained the notability on the articles talk
Talk:Starfall.com thanks for your help!
Erich (
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- My kids learned to read at Starfall but notability for wikipedia is actually demonstrated by showing multiple non-trivial independent
reliable sources that discuss the subject in detail. I'm guessing that you won't have any but I can have a looksee for you.
Spartaz
Humbug! 14:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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- Only one on google news and thats in passing
[1] and 78 in google books
[2]. I checked a few dozen of the book references and they seem to be mostly web listings of useful resources. I'm afraid that based on this, Starfall isn't going to meet our
inclusion criteria. Sorry. Maybe someone else can be more helpful.....
Spartaz
Humbug! 14:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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- There's some more in the archive search (such as
[3] and
[4]), but all look like passing mentions to me. The cached version is a straightforward {{
db-web}}. Can someone confirm if there's any substantial differences between the speedied version and the version in google cache?
Tim Song (
talk) 19:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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- can I just comment that all this deletion happens with unholy speed. My contributions are sporadic and I like to think of high quality. I'm starting to wonder why i bother. I stuck a hangon tag on this page within a few minutes of the page being taggeg for deletion but it got deleted anyway while I laid out the notability grounds on the talk page but I see from the red link that this has now been deleted as well... arggggggggggggghhhhhhh. Looking at some of the rubbish web-sites that wikipedia does include eg poptropica, it is a crime that starfall is not included. This is a non-commercial web-site people... it has no lobysists and pr people infiltrating wp to get it included. Before i become absolutely convinced that all my contributions are futile can somebody please reinstate the page while it given a bit more consideration?? at least the talk page where i had explained the notability
Erich (
talk) 02:05, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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- Just to make life easier for all of us, I suggest that you go to
WP:REFUND and ask that a copy of the article, with the talk page, be
userfied to you.
Tim Song (
talk) 02:23, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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- done... if starfall is not notable then I think
Category:Children's websites could do with a clean out... but better still lets just leave this amazing FREE website in wp, because it deserves to be included...
Erich (
talk) 05:29, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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- I know this is going to sound awful, but there are a number of amazing free (and otherwise) websites that aren't included in wikipedia just because we don't have enough
sourcing to write a
neutral article on them. We are bound by what print and online media cover. When more coverage of starfall crops up we can have an article for it here. Until then we just may have to wait. I'm sorry.
Protonk (
talk) 06:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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- The article is presently in userspace as
User:Erich gasboy/Starfall.com. The material there does not by the remotest stretch of the imagination justify a Wikipedia article. Not only has it no sources, it has no information that would even hint that it might be notable. I try to rescue articles, but I --and I assume almost any admin-- would also have speedy deleted it, The thing to do if you want it restored, is to try to write an article there, showing that it is notable, and listing what sources might be available.
DGG (
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- sorry its school hols and I've got kids to raise. This is an important notable site. I give up. Let the PR people rule wp.
Erich (
talk) 20:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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- Endorse speedy. Straightforward {{
db-web}}. Permit recreation if new sources demonstrating notability are presented, but I strongly recommend that the author read
WP:WEB and
WP:GNG first; the reasons given in the talk page do not amount to much under our guidelines.
Tim Song (
talk) 17:40, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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- Tim have you looked at the talk page?
Erich (
talk) 20:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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- I did. It's an excellent website. Does not mean it's necessarily notable, though.
Tim Song (
talk) 21:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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- this site is much more notable than
Rincewind, or
Fred Colon... and is in the top 1000 US alexa site... the article I posted is stub... there is obviously more to say... listen y'all (how many again of you have children learning to read and have actually visited the site??) do you really think that the commerical
Poptropica with minimal educational value deserves its wikipidia treatise because it has a few teeny oriented fan sites? sorry but the under fives tend not to create a lot of fan-websites and the parents of under fives are too busy to bother with this palaver for very long. Sorry I must have been away when the WP policy was changed to delete first.
Erich (
talk) 20:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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- mmm since y'all seem so keen on deleting stuff... mind if I make some suggestions (
Erich (
talk) 21:03, 24 September 2009 (UTC)):
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Transformers Online Game
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Creaturebreeder
- Yup, non-notable, sourced to nothing or blogs or forums hosted by the games. Looks like stuff that should be deleted, so I have nominated.
Miami33139 (
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- Updated notability claim
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