- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 23:25, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
Patricia Ford Crass
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Here is an editor who thinks that making pacific racist depictions of pacific islanders for a "South Pacific Nite " party is "work", that
Revised nomination: Subject does not meet
WP:GNG and
WP:NARTIST, despite the creator's claims that the subject was "born ... to a notable economic and political family". That would be the family of the author.
Vexations (
talk) 15:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
a three-year old attending a reception is "noteworthy" and that traveling to France and to Claude Monet's Water Lilies is an event worth noting in an encyclopedia. No, this person is not noteworthy because she has not received significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. She also fails every single notability criterion for artists.
Vexations (
talk) 19:31, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Patricia Ford Crass has made many contributions to the art world in her paintings and the techniques she used. She is a good example of how a woman can become a successful painter and established a career in a male-oriented world in the 1950’s. She most notable in the California Bay Area art world where she has showed her paintings and won awards.
- South Pacific Shield masks for a custom party does not sound raciest as they can be found in any Google search. Patricia attended an event in 2003 in honor of
Jo Mora, a famous artist. She was not 3 years old at this event. The statue was created when she was 3 years old and represents an example of Mora’s work. Her travels are examples of her interest in French immersionists and provides inspiration for other artists that would like to travel to see them.--Greg Henderson 20:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Per the above user's user page, they have listed Patricia Ford as their mother. Please do not make Wikipedia pages on your mom. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 16:14, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Nominator seems to have some bizarre tirade against another editor in his nomination which I doubt any other editors will understand or care a single bit about. What is and is not racist depictions has nothing to do with this persons notability. AFD nominations should focus on that, not calling out other unknown editors.
★Trekker (
talk) 15:07, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete I did some digging for sources and I could not even find a single name mention of this artist on Google Books, JSTOR, academia.edu or on Google News. ★Trekker ( talk) 15:38, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Nomination revised. Trekker makes a valid point. Vexations ( talk) 15:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Vexations ( talk) 15:31, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - The subject of this article does not meet our criteria for notability. Fails GNG and NARTIST. The sourcing is overblown fluff, it includes things like wedding announcements, a commencement announcement, a family search pedigree, listings, and several don't even mention her but are about other artists. No SIGCOV in RS, no museum collections, no critical reviews could be found. Wikipedia is not a personal "website" to promote every artist in the world. Netherzone ( talk) 15:45, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete I'm not sure what this person is notable for. This appears to be a family memorial page. I have trimmed much of the objectionable material. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 16:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - Patricia Ford Crass is a good example of woman that became a successful painter and established a career in a male-oriented world in the 1950’s. She most notable in the California Bay Area art world where she has showed her paintings and won awards.
Man with saxophone is a good example of her work. --Greg Henderson 21:35, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- The article lists one award from the (defunct since 2014) Menlo Art League where she placed second in 2007. As far as we can tell, she has not received any well-known and significant awards. Is an award from the Menlo Art League well-known and significant? Most certainly not. Their annual exhibition was a juried art show in the Community Room of the Menlo Park Library. Vexations ( talk) 22:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Seriously, GregHenderson2006, we are not interested in what the article subject's son has to say about their mom's notability. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 00:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: not notable, sourcing shows local and trivial mentions, creator appears to have a conflict of interest on this and many other articles. Melcous ( talk) 01:16, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Keep: She is no more notable than these other Wikipedia artists: William Adam (artist), William Barr (artist), Paul A. Grimm. Let's be fair and appreciate a woman who spent her life making art and showing that woman too have a life dedicated to something they love and share it with the world. Primary and Secondary sources support this fact. Greg Henderson ( talk)
- Greghenderson2006, you should strike your second !vote, because it is against policy to vote more than one time. BTW, please sign your posts by using 4 tildes. Netherzone ( talk) 15:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- Duplicate vote struck and unsigned template added.
ThatMontrealIP (
talk) 15:14, 7 July 2020 (UTC)l
- I did not know you could note vote again. I wanted to make a comment, she is no more notable than these other Wikipedia artists:
William Adam (artist),
William Barr (artist),
Paul A. Grimm. Let's be fair and appreciate a woman who spent her life making art and showing that woman too have a life dedicated to something they love and share it with the world. Primary and Secondary sources support this fact.
Greg Henderson (
talk)
- You are dealing with other editors who have assessed thousands of articles. Your mother is not notable enough for one, and we are not here to make warm and fuzzy family memorial pages. Your opinion is clouded by the fact that you are her son. Stop wasting everyone's time here.
ThatMontrealIP (
talk) 15:28, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply, but you did not anwer the question about other pages that have far less information. I understand I have a COI, but wanted to have a page about her contributions. If you and other editors do not feel she is worthy of this, then I am OK with deleting the page, but please answer why there are other pages with less info and sources. When you read these other pages, that have no tags, they look as though they have passed the Wikipedia test. I appreciate your time.
Greg Henderson (
talk)
- These deletions discussions have been going on for a long time. Over that time, a set of
arguments to avoid have developed. One of the arguments to avoid is "but there are other similar articles on Wikipedia". It stands to reason that if we allow all the lower-quality articles with that argument, then the wiki does not improve. Thus, we focus on the article at hand. You can read about it at
WP:OTHERSTUFF.
ThatMontrealIP (
talk) 16:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- re artists referred to above as being just as notable as Crass, or otherwise, nope, William Adam exhibited at Royal Scottish Academy and Royal Glasgow Institute of the Fine Arts; William Barr works are in permanent collection of Paisley Museum and Art Galleries, Paisley Art Institute, and hanging in various landmarks including Paisley Town Hall, Palace Hotel, San Francisco, San Francisco City Hall, exhibitions include at California Historical Society; Paul A. Grimm also likely wikinotable as an artist - have added words/sources to Grimm article to that affect as another editor (hi ThatMontrealIP:)) appeared to be having doubts. Coolabahapple ( talk) 16:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- These deletions discussions have been going on for a long time. Over that time, a set of
arguments to avoid have developed. One of the arguments to avoid is "but there are other similar articles on Wikipedia". It stands to reason that if we allow all the lower-quality articles with that argument, then the wiki does not improve. Thus, we focus on the article at hand. You can read about it at
WP:OTHERSTUFF.
ThatMontrealIP (
talk) 16:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply, but you did not anwer the question about other pages that have far less information. I understand I have a COI, but wanted to have a page about her contributions. If you and other editors do not feel she is worthy of this, then I am OK with deleting the page, but please answer why there are other pages with less info and sources. When you read these other pages, that have no tags, they look as though they have passed the Wikipedia test. I appreciate your time.
Greg Henderson (
talk)
- You are dealing with other editors who have assessed thousands of articles. Your mother is not notable enough for one, and we are not here to make warm and fuzzy family memorial pages. Your opinion is clouded by the fact that you are her son. Stop wasting everyone's time here.
ThatMontrealIP (
talk) 15:28, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- I did not know you could note vote again. I wanted to make a comment, she is no more notable than these other Wikipedia artists:
William Adam (artist),
William Barr (artist),
Paul A. Grimm. Let's be fair and appreciate a woman who spent her life making art and showing that woman too have a life dedicated to something they love and share it with the world. Primary and Secondary sources support this fact.
Greg Henderson (
talk)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 09:10, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, does not meet WP:NARTIST or WP:BASIC, no wikisignificant work produced/reviewed/exhibited, not part of wikinotable gallery/museum collections, article references only snips/mentions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 09:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:NARTIST and WP:GNG and primary author has WP:COI. Mztourist ( talk) 13:03, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete promotional article created on a non-notable person that do not meet our inclusion standards and it happened to be created by an editor with a family connections. Graywalls ( talk) 20:51, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.