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The result was Draftify. WP:ATD. (non-admin closure) – AssumeGoodWraith ( talk | contribs) 04:22, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Chargers–Rams rivalry
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The article is on a non-existent rivalry that has only comprised 12 total games, with only 1 game in the last 8 years. Sources do not support the existence of a true rivalry and thus fails WP:GNG. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:47, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:47, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment, found this from UPI. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 22:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- And
here's (
part 2) an article describing how its not a rivalry.
BeanieFan11 (
talk) 22:54, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Though it seems to be suggesting that the Giants–Jets rivalry is also a "fake" one. But that has a 14-game "same city" history, rather than a one-game one. If kept the lead section should try to be clearer as to whether it's discussing the "fighting to establish a strong fanbase" portion, or their entire franchise history. 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 00:34, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- And
here's (
part 2) an article describing how its not a rivalry.
BeanieFan11 (
talk) 22:54, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports and California. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:05, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - The Chargers spent most of their existence in San Diego & the Rams spent a good chunk of their existence in St. Louis. That makes their co-existence in Los Angeles pale in comparison. GoodDay ( talk) 23:30, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete – This isn't an article about a rivalry, it's an article listing a hand full of games in a very non-meaningful way. Hey man im josh ( talk) 02:32, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Sources given are very weak. There was a punchup, offhand comments in a player interview, and a clickbait list, which itself admits it was struggling to pad out its own content. Scope is itself confused. Presumably we'll eventually have the basis for an article on the lines of the Jet-Giants one -- unless one or both do another runner out of LA. But that could take quite a while, at one game every four years and some general chatter betweentimes.
109.255.211.6 (
talk) 00:02, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- The sources are existent, it makes matters better for the topic now that they play each other this year, the rivalry does exist regardless of your personal bias. There are multiple rivalries with FAR worse sources cited eg: saints-vikings, 49ers-Raiders, and rivalries that are far less relevant eg: bears-cardinals, steelers-titans, titans-jaguars. The intercity rivalry makes sense to have a page exist on the basis of consistency, you seem to not have any issue with the Giants-Jets rivalry, the 49ers-Raiders example is less relevant to exist than Rams-Chargers and you have to consider the current fight for a presence within the fickle LA sports market as a whole since the league returned. please leave my article alone
PontiacAurora (
talk) 09:38, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- What "personal bias" are you supposing might exist here? Please
WP:AGF and try to conduct yourself in a
WP:CIVIL manner. I only "have to consider" that insofar as it's sourced, and it's not sourced to any degree worth speaking of. And I'm afraid it's
not your article. If you're looking for a hosting service what whatever you wish to write on sports, then many are available. This is (purportedly) a collaboratively written encyclopedia. The Giants-Jets article is, as I specifically pointed out, much better sourced, and documents a much longer-standing city rivalr: 14 games as opposed to one. See
WP:OTHERSTUFF. If you want to argue that any of those other articles are as poorly scoped and poorly sourced as this one, you're fully entitled to nominate them for deletion. As for a game that's not even been scheduled yet vastly increasing the viability of the article: your
WP:CRYSTALBALL must be much better than mine. Until that game's played, or at least until there's coverage in reliable sources talking about the rivalry in anticipation of it that being played, that's entirely moot. If and when that happens, you can recreate the article (including from draft-article space or user-page space if you wish).
109.255.211.6 (
talk) 20:20, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- your personal bias is very evident given your history of edits and pretty obvious support for the 49ers, the same fanbase who tried to cite and claim Sofi stadium's nickname was 'levi's south' based on multiple sources dealing with a far bigger lack of legitimacy than you're blaming of here. I advise, if you want to appear professional, create a wikipedia account instead of using an unreistered IP address [REDACTED]. The threat of this deletion is severely questionable considering your own lack of establishment in the WP:AGF. That immature reaction to my counter argument is further proof in favor of this page's legitimacy, you are no longer relevant to this argument. PontiacAurora ( talk) 07:15, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- your reply violates WP:NPA
PontiacAurora (
talk) 07:21, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have warned PontiacAurora about their conduct and ask that this thread stop here. I have also redacted part of their comment as an implicit doxxing. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- What "personal bias" are you supposing might exist here? Please
WP:AGF and try to conduct yourself in a
WP:CIVIL manner. I only "have to consider" that insofar as it's sourced, and it's not sourced to any degree worth speaking of. And I'm afraid it's
not your article. If you're looking for a hosting service what whatever you wish to write on sports, then many are available. This is (purportedly) a collaboratively written encyclopedia. The Giants-Jets article is, as I specifically pointed out, much better sourced, and documents a much longer-standing city rivalr: 14 games as opposed to one. See
WP:OTHERSTUFF. If you want to argue that any of those other articles are as poorly scoped and poorly sourced as this one, you're fully entitled to nominate them for deletion. As for a game that's not even been scheduled yet vastly increasing the viability of the article: your
WP:CRYSTALBALL must be much better than mine. Until that game's played, or at least until there's coverage in reliable sources talking about the rivalry in anticipation of it that being played, that's entirely moot. If and when that happens, you can recreate the article (including from draft-article space or user-page space if you wish).
109.255.211.6 (
talk) 20:20, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- The sources are existent, it makes matters better for the topic now that they play each other this year, the rivalry does exist regardless of your personal bias. There are multiple rivalries with FAR worse sources cited eg: saints-vikings, 49ers-Raiders, and rivalries that are far less relevant eg: bears-cardinals, steelers-titans, titans-jaguars. The intercity rivalry makes sense to have a page exist on the basis of consistency, you seem to not have any issue with the Giants-Jets rivalry, the 49ers-Raiders example is less relevant to exist than Rams-Chargers and you have to consider the current fight for a presence within the fickle LA sports market as a whole since the league returned. please leave my article alone
PontiacAurora (
talk) 09:38, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete No opposition to recreation if a rivalry can be demonstrated (presumably at a much later date).-
UCO2009bluejay (
talk) 05:29, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- I feel like things will grow much further as the two teams compete for dominance of the fans in the city, also I added multiple other sources to the page adding onto it as to address your claim of them being weak PontiacAurora ( talk) 09:51, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ignoring any bias: I have multiple sources and fan websites pointing to this as something that will indeed evolve, compared to other pages currently within the Wikipedia portal, I feel like this intercity rivalry will have it's place especially as the two teams are set to face off this coming season.
PontiacAurora (
talk) 05:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- PontiacAurora, as a reminder, fan websites are not reliable sources and should not be used as citations or to establish notability of a topic. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:56, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Sources don't appear to be independent, and Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball. This may be relevant in the future, but not now. I understand the impulse to create this article given teams proximity, but it's too soon for article space. SPF121188 (talk this way) (contribs) 16:01, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify or delete. This might become a notable rivalry but it's WP:TOOSOON. – Muboshgu ( talk) 19:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Doesn't appear to be notable now. Could be notable in the future. Toa Nidhiki05 20:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify or delete. As others have said above, this is simply
WP:TOOSOON to determine if this will end up being any kind of significant rivalry or not. While the Rams have an extensive history in the greater Los Angeles metro area, the Chargers do not. Let's revisit this in a couple of years and see if things have changed enough to move the needle here.
Ejgreen77 (
talk) 11:03, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- We might want to revisit it as soon as (say) September, if a second 'city rivalry' game produces a fresh slew of significant coverage of the topic. Or even in May, if the mere announcement of when they'll play in the 2022 season occasions such. 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 01:10, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify' This could potentially become a notable rivalry fairly soon, but I think it makes sense to wait until there are more sources. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 15:42, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete a case of WP:TOOSOON the rivalry is not notable at this point. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 20:02, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
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