Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2013_Israeli_Beach_Soccer_League References

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The result was no consensus. –  Joe ( talk) 14:53, 17 June 2018 (UTC) reply

2013 Israeli Beach Soccer League

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These pages are beautiful and informative. However they are all basically unreferenced and I can't find RS secondary coverage in either English or in feeble attempts to do so in Hebrew. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 02:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC) reply

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Keep all I've actually watched a few games over the years on TV, also all the match reports are external links which are in Hebrew know, which I can only partially understand. However it's more than enough to pass WP:GNG through the external link citations in my opinion. Govvy ( talk) 14:14, 26 May 2018 (UTC) reply

Knowing the games are showed on tv helps with GNG to me. It seems like all the match reports are from one website which is why I didn't just assume GNG. Is there coverage beyond that one website? Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 15:26, 26 May 2018 (UTC) reply

Reply Well the website, Sport 5, is actually a TV Station in Israel, it's fairly large coverage in Israel so notability with be local to Israel and those that know about it, they do have some presence in Europe. You would have to check on ratings which I don't know about. Coverage will all be notability towards Israel mainly, but some Jewish organisations around the world have covered parts at sometimes like the Jewish Chronicle in England, however the citations are going to be Israeli based news services which will be harder for English search engines to pick-up on. Govvy ( talk) 15:38, 26 May 2018 (

comment are you advocating this page be deleted or are you requesting that it be improved? Egaoblai ( talk) 15:58, 26 May 2018 (UTC) reply

@ Egaoblai: I brought them here because I don't think they meet guidelines. If I am wrong, well OK, and if they are improved as a way of showing I"m wrong, all the better.Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 10:37, 3 June 2018 (UTC) reply

Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 07:36, 29 May 2018 (UTC) reply

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep all – Once I finally worked out how to (even just roughly) translate to Hebrew, I came across a number of Israeli websites/news outlets that report on the league [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]. TurboGUY ( talk) 23:24, 4 June 2018 (UTC) reply

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Comment : If we cannot verify notability, we cannot claim it as an attribute of the subject. Whether or not we "have watched [the games] on TV" or the text is "beautifully written" is completely immaterial. - The Gnome ( talk) 12:54, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply
In addition to my keep all comment on the 4th, here are some more articles I found in Israeli media, specifically reporting on the start of the 2018 season yesterday [9], [10], [11], [12]. And this final link appears to be TV listings regarding the broadcast of matches in Israel (thought it might be relevant to what has been said in previous comments) [13]. TurboGUY ( talk) 17:50, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply

I think that last link will expire at midnight so I've saved it in the web archive [14] TurboGUY ( talk) 17:57, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply

Of those 13 sources, most of which I uncovered during my WP:BEFORE it feels like only two of them actually help to establish notability, which leads to one RS article for the 2017 and one for the 2018 seasons. The rest simply help to prove that this league exists (was never in question) and is broadcast on TV (which on its own doesn't mean it's notable). The league itself is most definitely notable in my opinion (hence why it was not bundled here) but the individual seasons do not appear to be ( WP:BOMBARD) and the lack of coverage in outlets even when its televised actually helps to reinforce this view. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 22:07, 9 June 2018 (UTC) reply

Delete all Can't see how this is notable enough for a set of articles. Number 5 7 08:45, 12 June 2018 (UTC) reply

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