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Hi, Bahamut0013. Please update User:Bahamut0013/Secret pages per the closure of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Archive 34#Does WP:NOTMYSPACE apply to secret pages? Thanks, Cunard ( talk) 02:32, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
The military history wikiproject will soon open the September 2010 coordinator elections to determine who among us will serve on the X Tranche, the coordinator tranche beginning 28 September of this month. The current coordinators have offered up the names of a limited number of editors who we believe would make good coordinators, and your name was included in the list. Therefore, I am leaving this message on behalf of the current milhist coordinators to encourage you to run for the position of coordinator. If you have any questions or comments about the position you are welcome to ask any members of the current coordinator tranche, we would be happy to answer your questions. Note that while this message is being left to encourage you to run for the position you are under no obligation to do so, and if you decide not to run this decision will not be held against you now or at any point in the future.
On belhalf of the Military history Coordinator IX Tranche, TomStar81 ( Talk) 00:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough. Remember to vote when the elections open, and stay safe. TomStar81 ( Talk) 23:57, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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Agreed! Pdfpdf ( talk) 14:36, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
My comments there would apply here. Note in particular that the very first Talk page comment was a request for an identification of insignia on the subject's formal dress. Bdell555 ( talk) 13:48, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
If you are one of the ribbons template guys, how do I get, say,
to work at a width less than 60? I can't add an oak leaf (or leaves) to any ribbon of less than 60px, it seems, without it looking like this:
So it ends up being a circular argument: don't like the icons because they are too distracting, but can't make them smaller and less distracting, therefore don't like them and delete! Bdell555 ( talk) 14:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
FYI, I have created Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages 2. Cunard ( talk) 06:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
I draw this discussion to your attention because you applied the {{ duplicate}} template. If you choose to respond, please either respond in that discussion, or on my talk page on the commons. Geo Swan ( talk) 13:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Hey, bahamut. As you saw, I put all of the Chief of Chaplains pages I've been working on into the leadership area of the military navboxes. Wouldn't this be correct? The Sergeant Major of the Army is on there, and he's the highest ranking enlisted man/advisor to the Chief of Staff. The Chief of Chaplains is the highest ranking chaplain, and he acts as an advisor as well. Rockhead126 ( talk) 19:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Bahamut, if you want a better table for Salvatore Giunta's awards and decorations why not got for it instead of reverting to one that has problems including missing an OLC on the PUC which you re-fixed. Mikepolkfan ( talk) 00:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
The Military history WikiProject coordinator election has started. You are cordially invited to help pick fourteen new coordinators from a pool of twenty candidates. This time round, the term has increased from six to twelve months so it is doubly important that you have your say! Please cast your vote here no later than 23:59 (UTC) on Tuesday, 28 September 2010.
With many thanks in advance for your participation from the coordinator team, Roger Davies talk 21:20, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, very much, for your kind words at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Most Hated Family in America about my work on the article. Much appreciated. Cheers, -- Cirt ( talk) 02:22, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello, Bahamut0013. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
specifically... Geo Swan ( talk) 16:44, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I uploaded a copy of this file from the Florida Memory Archives. You recently upgraded the image to one from the NARA, but the link is dead and I cannot find a copy or description of the image from the National Archives. Can you fix the link or provide a better one on the image description page?
Thank you. I'm watching your talk page. -- Moni3 ( talk) 16:34, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
The ribbon image File:Inter-american defense board medal ribbon.PNG just appeared in the Graphic Lab’s daily Top 4 as a candidate for speedy conversion to vector art. Seeing that you uploaded a small raster version of the same decoration some time ago, and seem now to be set up to produce SVGs of such items, I thought it might be more efficient for you to generate a new version than for someone else to ‘reinvent the wheel’. Odysseus1479 ( talk) 01:18, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Sergeant Lemiszki, first my apologies if this response format is incorrect, and secondly nice to make your acquaintance. Thanks for the input to this page. I've started making modification to some of the text on the page (except history..yet), based on your comments (which I have not removed as I want to make sure they are been addressed). Could you review, and let me know if I'm on the right track? I will check this page (and the VCA page) often to see if there any other comments, but if not I will modify your input as I (think) I address them.
Thanks again. I really appreciate your help and your notice.
Regards. Cbaquerizo ( talk) 18:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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Hey Bahamut! The article Brazil and weapons of mass destruction was recently nominated for deletion. The result was keep and the case was closed yesterday. During the AfD, I inserted a rescue tag to see if we could improve the article. I edited the article and added about 20 reliable sources, including SIPRI, Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, Arms Control Association, GlobalSecurity.org, Global Security Institute, German Council on Foreign Relations, GlobalSecurity.org, to name a few. I didn't make any radical changes, I basically reworded some parts (to reflect the sources), improved the lead and added a history section. Now, User:NPguy has reverted all my edits, erasing all the sources. If you have a chance, could you please leave your input on the article's talk page? I think that will really be helpful. Thanks! Limongi ( talk) 13:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
This source seems to indicate he has stepped down. Are you sure? Griffinofwales ( talk) Simple English Wikipedia - Come and join! 01:27, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I have, as of yet, had difficulty with .svg images. They just haven't come out right. I do know that you prefer them, and I will produce these once I can get satisfactory results. I was trying to get the flags to appear uniform for a cleaner look, and I think this did work out. Once I can do this correctly, I will update the older images. SGT141 ( talk) 16:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Did I do that? I am sorry! No offence was meant - I was just probably tired and not writing straight. Truly, you come up repeatedly with the most level-headed and clear reasonings on these deletion debates, and I often find myself echoing your reasons. Kind regards from Aotearoa New Zealand, Buckshot06 (talk) 21:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Leatherneck, don't feel like a step-child when it comes down to getting older (or newer) equipment. (Adding the statement to the article implies that.) Newer and older are terms which have broad implications. And when it comes to comparing Army and Marine equipment, much of the comparison is apples & oranges. Without a RS, your statement regarding the age of the gear is POV. Indeed, the equipment may be older, but the reasons are myriad. Marines may take better care of their gear so that it lasts longer. The different missions call for different equipment. (Their mission of amphibious landings has given them lots of new landing craft, including highly advanced systems!) Marines are in the forefront of developing non-lethal military gear so in that respect they are getting newer gear. Marine boots are superior. The digital cammies the Marines developed were admired and duplicated by all of the services. Best regards. -- S. Rich ( talk) 16:26, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Your edit to United States Marine Corps.-- S. Rich ( talk) 16:44, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I also created File:USS Missouri (BB-63) Awards and Ribbons.PNG. As to your intent to replace them: go for it. I suspect it will be much easier for you to create whatever syntax you need to create to get the ribbons and such displayed correctly. TomStar81 ( Talk) 13:52, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
See Wikipedia talk:RFA#Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Cliffmore. – xeno talk 20:16, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
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A discussion has begun about whether the article List of cadet units in British Columbia, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.
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Marine (bahamut0013), how did you get your profile like this with the tabs and stuff? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spencer1157 ( talk • contribs) 22:53, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I read your edit on the Carrier Air Wing Nine page, where you removed VMFA-323 from the wing (someone unnamed put it in). However, I disagree with your view that VMFA-323 is only "temporarily" assigned to CVW-9. The question is, how you define "temorarily", as VMFA-323 is assigned to CVW-9 since 2007. To reduce costs, the US Navy assigned USMC VMFA units to its CVWs for over a decade now. Be that as it may, in my understanding the list of squadrons of a CVW would incorporate all squadrons assigned at this moment, like during a deployment. Then, of course, an update is always neccessary - and useful in my opinion. Greetings Cobatfor ( talk) 13:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I was using it to illustrate "Mission", but maybe I really don't know enough about the US Marines to be doing that, so sorry. -- occono ( talk) 17:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Sir,
Forgive me if my Wikipedia etiquette is wrong. I'm a newbie.
I added to the USMC OCS article that competition usually requires that scores be much higher than 225. Don't you think that a potential officer candidate would like to know that a 225 PFT will be extremely uncompetitive when applying to OCC? My recruiter has made it clear that scores lower than 270 stand a much lower chance of being selected. He also told me that the scores of selected individuals from the last class averaged to be 292. I believe the information presented in this sentence is incomplete, if not downright misleading.
As you have been maintaining this page, I will defer to you, but I look forward to your response. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.130.117.243 ( talk) 19:16, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I just wanted to stop and wish you a happy Birthday Marine. -- Kumioko ( talk) 15:50, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Just wanted to wish you a happy Veteran's Day! Thanks for keeping me and so many others free and safe. TomStar81 ( Talk) 02:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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You may be interested to take a look at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_November_12#Merge_Category:Military_bases_and_Category:Military_facilities_into_new_Category:Military_installations Buckshot06 (talk) 22:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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Happy Thanksgiving Tony the Marine ( talk), 25 November 2010
Hey, I just noticed
your question on the help desk about templates similar to {{
as of}}. I have a couple of things I wanted to add, but I didn't want to add them on the Help Desk because the discussion's resolved. The template {{
update after}} is useful for things that need to be updated after a certain date. To use it, put {{
update after|year|month|day}}
. Once the date specified in the parameters has been reached,
needs update will show up. The template will place the page in the category
Category:Wikipedia articles in need of updating. You don't need to fill in all of the date parameters. For example, you can just fill in the year parameter, or just the year and month parameter.
Another helpful template is {{
show by date}}. Its parameters are {{
show by date|year|month|day|text before|text after}}
. For example, if a celebrity is getting married on 25 November 2010, then you could put the following in his personal life section: {{
show by date|2010|11|25|Smith and Jones will be married on 25 November|Smith and Jones were married on 25 November 2010}}
.
If you want to get the time since a certain date or figure out something like how long 6 weeks is from today, you can probably use magic words in conjunction with the template {{ date}}. I could probably puzzle that out, but I'm a bit tired right now.
I hope this helps! --- cymru lass (hit me up)⁄ (background check) 18:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I am an active duty black belt (MAI) instructor in MCMAP and stumbled upon this incorrect entry. I changed the hours needed for belt advancement based on the 15 November 2010 Marine Corps Order 1500.59. You need to read it. Your numbers are wrong, I corrected them, yet you reverted back to the incorrect numbers. You need to check your most recent sources if you're going to delete something that important. Secondly, I deleted your "nicknames" section for MCMAP. I don't know how many active duty Marines you associate with, but none, and I mean none, use the euphemisms that you listed. You can call the MACE in Quantico, VA and they will back me on this. Back in 2001, maybe a few Marines made those slang terms up, but they are no longer used. They need to be removed.
Your citations are out of date (1500.54a). Click on the link below, read it, and since you won't accept my corrections, you make the changes: http://www.marines.mil/news/publications/Pages/MCO150059%28PRELIM%29.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.167.89 ( talk) 17:41, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Deloresfisher80 ( talk) 23:31, 24 November 2010 (UTC)deloresfisher80 24 NOV 2010
Hi, mate, I just had a look over your editorial submission for the Milhist newsletter. It looks okay to me (but I've not had much to do with that side of the house so far), but I found a couple of typos (e.g "unitiated" should be "uninitiated"). As it is in your userspace I didn't want to barge in and fix them without asking first. Do you mind if I take a run through it? No dramas if you don't want me to. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 11:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on Operation Majestic Titan for a Signpost article to be published this month. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. - Mabeenot ( talk) 02:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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Excellent editorial by you in the The Bugle: Issue LVII, November 2010. You covered the questions I had about deletions rather well and with excellent writing style. Thanks for your contributions and keep up the good work. Cuprum17 ( talk) 00:33, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I created the McClellan page and uploaded both illustrations, primarily because of McClellan's role in Manookian's career. I don’t mind your adding to or correcting the page. However, I do strongly object to your deleting material, unless you have reason to believe it is false. Wmpearl ( talk) 01:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
The article is not being held hostage by me, it is being censored by you. You appear to be of the opinion that only you are qualified to determine what is worthy of Wikipedia. The notion that each statement in an article must not only be referenced as a previously published and verifiable fact, but also referenced to verify its importance, is an entirely new concept to me. Wmpearl ( talk) 01:28, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Greetings, can you join the airsoft discussion here since you were able to help on the other one? Here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SLR105 A1 Thanks, TheFSAviator • T 22:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
<font=3> Wishing you a "Feliz Navidad and a Prospero Año Nuevo" (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year) Tony the Marine ( talk)
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Well my brother, here is wishing you the best. Tony the Marine ( talk) 19:15, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Greetings! I stumbled onto the edits made by DoD GS-13 San Diego ( talk · contribs) to Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego. Looking at the edit history, it looks like you've been the participants in…let's call it a ping-pong game over some edits to the article related to access to its recreational and support facilities. I've made a bold edit that hopefully is a compromise between the two. I also warned DoD GS-13 San Diego over his edits to that page. Accordingly, I need to bring up two points here:
I know this isn't your first rodeo, but it probably is the other editor's, so please, any assistance you can give to guide them toward the appropriate policies is welcome. I'll be watching the article to see how it develops. — C.Fred ( talk) 18:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi. This is just a note letting you know that I spell checked your comments. I hope you don't mind. Viriditas ( talk) 00:07, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Take a look at this page...... Ricardo C Binns. Could use some help that i am unable to give at the moment. Thanks. -- Looper5920 ( talk) 06:36, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
here, although so far, there's not a lot of scut work to do, Robert. But I'm going to be opposing some articles at WP:MHRA now for failure to comply, so I might need a bodyguard. Better yet ... feel free to suggest changes to the list, or jump in and lead confused people through the process. - Dank ( push to talk) 02:22, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
-- Kumioko ( talk) 02:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
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My name is Jared Dalton and I have taken over the MCWAR wikipedia page project from Jill Clay as she has PCS'ed. I was forwarded your comments on her user page and wanted to make initial contact with you to see what I need to provide to you in order to get this page created in a way that will hopefully keep it from getting deleted anymore? The intent from the Director of MCWAR is a stand alone wikipedia page if possible, however, in your comments you did mention possibly being able to make it a subsection to the MCU page. Ultimately the desired endstate is MCWAR on wikipedia, so whatever that ends up taking. I have no history on wikipedia, and barely pass as computer saavy, so I am definitely treading in unknown waters right now. I am more than willing to do the leg work, research, and typing, but we definitely need outside support to get this page permanently posted. The easiest form of contact for me would be through email at JARED.DALTON@USMC.MIL. Please just let me know what works best for you and how to begin. Thank you for your time and assistance so far.
138.162.128.53 ( talk) 14:19, 5 January 2011 (UTC)2ndLt Jared Dalton
Now that WikiProject US has started to take hold I would like to start working on Portal:United States as well. I think the basic portal itself is good but some of the content might need to be updated and I would like to eventually get it a featured portal. I know you got the United States Marine Corps portal to featured so I was hoping you might have some advice for to do the same with United States. -- Kumioko ( talk) 03:21, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
MCO 1500.59 - Please read it. Your information is outdated. The MARADMIN came out canceling 1500.54 (a & b). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.167.89 ( talk) 06:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
FYI: I think you missed inserting your sig after my post in the above Afd. Cheers! Location ( talk) 15:45, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
With the first of what I hope will be monthly newsletters I again want to welcome you to the project and hope that as we all work together through the year we can expand the project, create missing articles and generally improve the pedia thought mutual cooperation and support. Now that we have a project and a solid pool of willing members I wanted to strike while the iron is hot and solicite help in doing a few things that I believe is a good next step in solidifiing the project. I have outlined a few suggestions where you can help with on the projects talk page. This includes but is not limited too updating Portal:United States, assessing the remaining US related articles that haven't been assessed, eliminating the Unrefernced BLP's and others. If you have other suggestions or are interested in doing other things feel free. I just wanted to offer a few suggestions were additional help is needed. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions, comments or suggestions or you can always post something on the projects talk page. -- Kumioko ( talk) 02:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
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Remember when I told you that I remembered reading that Greenpeace alleged the battleships had nuclear tomahawks, but could not locate the source to back it up? Well guess what: I found it (its a pdf file, just an FYI, look at pg 8 & 9). For good measure, I also found this which suggests that the battleships were capable of firing nuclear missiles. I'm not sure how WP:RS applies to the former here, but I do know that if we add this source to the article and combine it with actual US navy material stating that the battleships did not fire their total tomahawk complement it could in theory (specifically WP:V theory) provide a good explanation as to why the battleships did not empty all 32 of their tomahawk missiles at Iraqi targets. Just food for thought. Drop me a line and let me know what you think, and I'll make my next move from there. TomStar81 ( Talk) 03:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Im planning to make an article for William G. Dickinson the founder of Chula Vista but every sources calls him a Colonel. I dont know if he was in the military. I saw you helped the Nick Popaditch article and i thought maybe you can help me with the article. Im making the article in my Sandbox. Right now its just a userbox and some sources im going to use. Spongie555 ( talk) 03:34, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
I think that I can do that, however I recommend that you bring up the subject at Talk:Department of the Air Force for seven days before I do so, thereby avoiding any complaints that nobody was adviced as to our intentions. Semper Fi, Tony the Marine ( talk) 19:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
The Iowa class battleship Peer Review will be closing in the next few days. If you have any additional comments, questions, suggestions, complaints, or advise on how to improve the article, or if you wish to strike any comments you believe to have been addressed, please do so now before the review closes. TomStar81 ( Talk) 23:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I didn't remove them, just hid them in an attempt to clean up the front page. We don't need anything about the phases on the main page... it just makes it even longer than it already is ( WP:TLDR). Why not but them onto a subpage and link to it? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I was checking, but there is no content in the Department of the Air Force to move to the United States Department of the Air Force. What to do? Tony the Marine ( talk) 17:21, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
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Your right, Good catch. I hadn't meant it to be that way and didn't notice it. I'll make sure I fix that for next month. Hopefully I won't be the only one working on it for next month. Please let me know if you have any more suggestions. -- Kumioko ( talk) 21:05, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
. . . has gone to AfD. Srnec ( talk) 05:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
First I would like to thank you for while in my absence you were the only one to find any merit in the article Angelo Zawaydeh. It has been since been userfied and can be found here. I am wondering if you can be of any assistance in improving the article so that it can mature to the point where it can withstand a future AFD. The userfying admin said he believes article falls under WP:NOTMEMORIAL, and as we have seen in the past that line of reasoning has been used for a reason for supporting deletion in the past regardless of use of reliable sources establishing article subject meets WP:GNG.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 11:58, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Hey, Sergeant Lemiszki, seems to me you've got an interest in the USMC. Here are a couple of articles that need work: 3rd Civil Affairs Group & 4th Civil Affairs Group. Are you interested? Oorah (Marines)! -- S. Rich ( talk) 05:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
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