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Hi, I noticed you were involved in this:
So I will let you know that DivaNtrainin has taken it upon themself to decide what content can be added to the following article: Police officers charged criminally in Canada, please see the articles history and the articles talk page. I am not aware of any Wikipedia guideline that does not permit an article of this nature. Hopefully, the editor will not come back, but they probably will be back. We have been having a significant problem in Canada over the last several years with "some" police officers "accused" of breaking the law and getting off lightly or completely, here is just one article and article 1, there are others: Braidwood Inquiry. I have only posted several, there are many others. The article was created yesterday and is a +stub many more cases will be added over time by other editors. I replied to DivaNtrainin on the article talk page. Thank you for your time. JunoBeach ( talk) 12:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sarek! I know you are aware of recent disruption association with WP:Verification, and that you have taken steps against the disruption. Well, I've formed a view as to who is behind it, and have opened an SPI... See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Roger Pearse. Kalidasa 777 ( talk) 03:45, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
at your request; It's at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PREDICT Open Source Intelligence Team DGG ( talk ) 23:57, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I tried to post something along these lines here yesterday, but I was distracted and looks as if they didn't post.
I'm sorry for breaking links on the Breitbart page. That was not my intent. The only change I deliberately made was in line 20, changing "who has served" to "who served." Thank you for your kind words of chastening.
I use NetNanny for filtering/blocking images, and it is also configured to substitute in @$#%&** in place of profanities. It is unfortunate that a) I did not notice the substitutions and b) I opted to edit the whole page rather than just the top section. I sincerely apologize for me error. If I opt to edit wikipedia on a filtered system again, I will watch out for this sort of issue.
I attempt to be a responsible member of the wikipedia community. Thank you again for alerting me to my error. Bro rick ( talk) 18:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sarek, I wanted to pick your brains about that IP. The edit seems reasonably innocuous (and accurate according to the IP's diffs), and a week seems a bit harsh for a first block. Could you have a look at their unblock request? Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:53, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Considering [1] and [2] may I conclude that, having realized via (1) that I ought to seek consensus, and I accept the outcome, so this (2) ancient matter is concluded? I hope I have learned, and still seek guidance from such as yourself, who offer genuine advice. Thank you, then. NewbyG ( talk) 08:50, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
This sort of thing happens once you get a bad reputation. So please see this and this. Am I being harassed by user:Dicklyon, and what can I do to improve ‘’my’’ side of the interactions here. It is awfully tiresome being accused of disruption at every turn, and threatened on user talk:Newbyguesses now four times, can you help me, please? NewbyG ( talk) 21:02, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sarek, as you've had some experience on administering the Men's Rights probation I just wanted to flag the situation on Men and feminism. User:Equaaldoors has made a significant number of sourced content removals. I've notified them of the probation but am recused from sysop activity in the area (and will be away from WP a fair bit over the next 4-8 weeks). The area could do with some extra eyes. I believe Equaaldoors is misapplying WP:CONTENTFORK and WP:COATRACK due to an innocent misunderstanding but still some eyes on this wont hurt-- Cailil talk 20:36, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I was going to take the article off my watchlist as it seemed no admin seemed concerned at his actions. The current version still says he was the leading mythological, method actors of the time in Indian cinema and become one of the "most prominent figures in the history of Telugu Cinema" and needs to be reworded. It comes across as POV saying it twice. Am I permitted to sort that out? Its frustrating to know how to deal with such editors when you approach them and offer to discuss the content on the article talk page and how to improve it and they continue to revert. The editor quite frankly is extremely tedious. Unfortunately that article attracts a lot of persistent editors.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
User:Dicklyon Contributions
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/27_February_2012/Wikipedia:Verifiability&diff=prev&oldid=480546317 Reverted 5 edits by Newbyguesses (talk): Pure noise;
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/27_February_2012/Wikipedia:Verifiability&diff=prev&oldid=480182638 he just makes noise because he's clueless about what's going on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/27_February_2012/Wikipedia:Verifiability&diff=prev&oldid=480104641 I see why I was included. NewbyG is clueless;
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability&diff=prev&oldid=478290355 NewbyG noise
Here is a brief and incomplete summary of recent posts by user:Dickylyon which are insulting, and prejudicial, to no good purpose, as well as indicating that user:Dicky has stalked me, deliberately to prejudice every page he visits against me. It may seem unimportant to you, but it aint unimportant to me. I am asking for advice, how do I approach this matter if I wish to take it further, and prevent user:Dicky from disrupting the encyclopedia further? Or, if you wish to preserve your status as “uninvolved” or whatever, or if reading these diffs is too much work, then who ought I to approach so as to get out from under Dick’s harassment? NewbyG ( talk) 07:14, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
A pie for a pie: bravo. Drmies ( talk) 22:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC) |
Hey all!
Thanks to everyone who attended our first office hours session; the logs can be found here, if you missed it, and we should be holding a second one on Thursday, 22 March 2012 at 18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. I hope to see you all there :).
In the meantime, I have greatly expanded the details available at Wikipedia:New Page Triage: there's a lot more info about precisely what we're planning. If you have ideas, and they aren't listed there, bring them up and I'll pass them on to the developers for consideration in the second sprint. And if you know anyone who might be interested in contributing, send them there too!
Regards, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 00:30, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
"But really, YRC, can't you just assume that you're being discussed at any given time on ANI? *gd&r*"
I would comment at ANI, but the topic is closed. I just thought your comment was truly funny.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 01:12, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Since you are an administrator, I am going to need you to come review the Asma al-Assad page. The page, as you know, is not very extensive due to the limited information on her. It would literally take you a few seconds. We have a editor who is questioning the consistency of the page. Who thinks the page is "unsatisfactory" to his personal standards. Come visit along and bless us with your opinion. 68.100.84.46 ( talk) 11:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
This is my user name now. I have officially registered. Still would like for you to stop by the Asma al-Assad page. Thanks. Les Etoiles de Ma Vie ( talk) 14:34, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
I would be very careful about relying on this for the proposition that DeMolay International is itself a 501(c)(3) organization. I would generally agree that the page cited would be good info were it not for the fact that is listed as a group coordinator. People throw around the term "501(c)(3)" quite loosely but DeMolay International is just not a charity and cannot quality for 501(c)(3) status, though it may be listed as such for the purposes of its status as a group coordinator. Give me some time to hash this out? kcylsnavS{ screech harrass} 18:25, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
I confirm that I have requested an account on the UTRS tool. SarekOfVulcan (talk)
Sarek, I'll admitt I have a big bias on this article. I still believe murder is an accurate word for what happened. Our own description | of it , describes what happened. Yes I know it's not anywhere in the article, no I won't put it back either, you're right, I know not to. However, don't you think our definition matches up with the events leading up to Terri Schiavo's demise ? @- Kosh ► Talk to the Vorlons► Moon Base Alpha-@ 17:51, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey guys.
I appreciate this isn't quite what you signed up for, but I figured as people who are already pretty good at evaluating whether material is useful or not useful through Special:NewPages, you might be interested :). Over the last few months we've been developing the new Article Feedback Tool, which features a free text box. it is imperative that we work out in advance what proportion of feedback is useful or not so we can adjust the design accordingly and not overwhelm you with nonsense.
This is being done through the Feedback Evaluation System (FES), a tool that lets editors run through a stream of comments, selecting their value and viability, so we know what type of design should be promoted or avoided. We're about to start a new round of evaluations, beginning with an office hours session tomorrow at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to help preemptively kill poor feedback, come along to #wikimedia-office and we'll show you how to use the tool. If you can't make it, send me an email at okeyeswikimedia.org or drop a note on my talkpage, and I'm happy to give you a quick walkthrough in a one-on-one session :).
All the best, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 21:42, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
An arbitration case regarding article titles and capitalisation has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:
For the Arbitration Committee, Alexandr Dmitri ( talk) 22:55, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning that up properly - I was in a minor panic to get rid of it. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 17:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Sarek, in a TfD on October 22, 2010, you wrote "It used to provide for easy linking to Nashville, Tennessee, but an earlier discussion determined that that was unwarranted overlinking, even done manually. If that consensus isn't likely to change, there's no reason not to delete the template." Can you point the way to that "earlier discussion?" Given that any number of editors continue to reformat city and state/region as disfavored double links, would it not be better to make this an explicit example in WP:LINKING? Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 11:19, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Why do you believe that Morals and dogma is not a reliable source? How can Albert Pike, who was a Sovereign Grand Commander for at least 32 years, not be a reliable source on the inner workings of the Freemasons? Plasmic Physics ( talk) 05:08, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Don't you think that it seems a bit queer for a book this important to intend that notion by those words? Afterall, it is a required posession of at least the 33 degress masons. It would be like a phrase in a car repair manual to state that the instructions contained therein may not be correct; or a phrases in a dictionary to state that the definitions may be false. Plasmic Physics ( talk) 12:43, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
It may not be required, it seems that I have not have read that properly. However, masonic ritual is discussed by a person of highest authority in the matter. An SGC would not soil his reputation by being so reckless as to not ensure the reliability of his written work. Plasmic Physics ( talk) 20:33, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Do you mean this: "The author of the following work does not conceive that it contains a single line which can in any way injure the Masonic cause; while he believes, on the other hand, that it will prove a valuable made mecum to members of the Order, for whose use and guidance it is especially designed?" I found that Albert's quote precedes another: "It is only required of him that he shall weigh what is taught, and give it fair hearing and unprejudiced judgment." Meaning, that the content as far as the author is concerned is true and faithfull, and simply that acceptance or rejecion of the truth is entirely left to the reader. Plasmic Physics ( talk) 21:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
You are not ignoring me, are you? I know that you've been online since I've added this post. Plasmic Physics ( talk) 02:34, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Does this mean that you resign your arguement? In that case, I will proceed to restore the edit. Plasmic Physics ( talk) 10:30, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
But you didn't catch me me here. -- kelapstick( bainuu) 02:13, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Hey! Big update on what the developers have been working on, and what is coming up:
coding
All other elements are either undergoing research, or about to have development started. I appreciate this sounds like we've not got through much work, and truthfully we're a bit disappointed with it as well; we thought we'd be going at a faster pace :(. Unfortunately there seems to be some 24-72 hour bug sweeping the San Francisco office at the moment, and at one time or another we've had several devs out of it. It's kind of messed with workflow.
Stuff to look at
We've got a pair of new mockups to comment on that deal with the filtering mechanism; this is a slightly updated mockup of the list view, and this is what the filtering tab is going to look like. All thoughts, comments and suggestions welcome on the NPT talkpage :). I'd also like to thank the people who came to our last two office hours sessions; the logs will be shortly available here.
I've also just heard that the first functional prototype for enwiki will be deployed mid-April! Really, really stoked to see this happening :). We're finding out if we can stick something up a bit sooner on prototype.wiki or something.
I appreciate there may be questions or suggestions where I've said "I'll find out and get back to you" and then, uh. not ;p. I sincerely apologise for that: things have been a bit hectic at this end over the last few weeks. But if you've got anything I've missed, drop me a line and I'll deal with it! Further questions or issues to the usual address. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 17:15, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I trust you noted that Roscelese made an edit after the BLP/N discussion in line with my concerns in the first place? [3] at 21:20 on 3 April. Cheers. Collect ( talk) 23:13, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi SarekOfVulcan,
Thank you for your understanding and support.
I would like the article to be restored, but I would prefer it if Bwilkins had the opportunity.
For this reason, if your offer for restoring the page (mentioned on Bwilkins talk page) still stands, can you allow 24 hours for them to express their opinion and/or initiate the change?
Thanks for your consideration!
Sincerely,
Sam Smolders ( talk) 19:00, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
PING! :-) Also, quick question : Bwilkins and I have been communicating (on the page they originally ignored my help request on) and I was wondering if I should move this to the talk section or ask them to do so etc. In case you are curious, the page is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Confirmed
Sincerely,
Sam -- Smolders ( talk) 17:08, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
SarekOfVulcan,
Understood! May I ask one one last thing (as I don't think Bwilkins will do it)? The entire incident revolved around me simply wishing to upload the image : http://smolders.cc/content/image/cache/data/SS20110901/0-500x500.jpg
I am unable to do this here at Wikipedia, but feel this should be in the article (for completeness). I made the mistake of uploading it at commons, where is was properly deleted and a communication left for me (although they were merciless about not leaving the image until I could get it uploaded here on wikipedia).
Can you upload this image for me? I used the name Victim of Xen.png, so nothing on the page needs to be changed if the same image is uploaded using that name.
It is the most widely used game cover image on the internet (I think Amaranth Games is the only one that chose an alternative image). "Everyone has the right to use the image for the purposes of displaying the cover art for the game."
I do not intend to create any more articles for the time being and will be trying to understand the proper communication protocols for speaking with editors etc (as I've always enjoyed reading up on things here).
Thanks for all of your help!
Sincerely,
Sam Smolders ( talk) 20:21, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Alright! That's fine by me. Thank you again for helping clear things up.
Sincerely,
Sam Smolders ( talk) 20:53, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi SarekofVulkan,
I wanted to notify you that Bwilkins has not responded to my latest communication on the original page.
Furthermore, Bwilkins has blocked me entirely (even from communicating with you) and even blocked the IP of my associated contact.
Bwilkins has put forth my page for deletion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Victim_of_Xen
I cannot voice myself anywhere and wanted to get this message through to you.
Sincerely
Sam Smolders
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Would you take a look at this article... as written, the article makes it seem as if the subject was the most influential Freemason ever, and that his writings on "Masonic Geometry" were/are important to the Craft. I think the problem may stem from over reliance on primary source material. I have tried to do some clean up, but it was probably a bit ham fisted. More eyes would be useful. Blueboar ( talk) 12:52, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Oh Christ, I hadn't even realized this was just a rerun of G2bambino vs PrinceOfCanada. Memories... -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 20:45, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Your closure at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_April_20#Template:Infobox_classical_composer is inappropriate; it is not a bad faith nomination; it is the nomination of a template wrongly recreated after being deleted following a due-process TfD debate, here. I invite you to reopen the discussion, rather than me having to involve WP:ANI. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi - one month for that seems a bit severe - canvassing? - I hope your not WP:INVOLVED ? Would you please take it to ANI for discussion or allow the block to be reduced? - Please don't block and run? Youreally can 19:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to know who, in your opinion Sarek, was being canvassed, and to do what? Malleus Fatuorum 19:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
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I really hope you haven't come away with the impression that I disrespect you, personally, or anything like that! It's not what I mean, at all. You've been doing some massively good stuff for a very long time, and I would personally hate to be in the position where I would have to make the kinds of decisions that you regularly make. All the best, Pesky ( talk) 21:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
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Will you please explain how you came to the idea to protect these pages? The timing seems suspicious to me. In this order, in a short period of time:
-- Taylornate ( talk) 18:51, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi SarekOfVulcan,
I have mentioned you (somewhat critically) in the KW ANI thread.
Best regards, Sasha ( talk) 20:31, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
You will now provide a summary of why you approve of the breach of 3rr on Portuguese Angola, and why you are supporting the anti-Angolan bias in the article. Fail to do so adequately and I shall commence proceedings for breach of conduct. Ackees ( talk) 20:32, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
NIH
Dear Sarek,
I'm undoing you're reformatting because the article must read like a scholarly wikipedia article. One moves from principles, to the general, to the specific.
In computing is better off as part of a general "In industry" section. Various sub headings could then give examples of NIH "In computing", "In the motor industry", etc. etc.
Regards, I will set up an account soon. 188.28.185.235 ( talk) 21:15, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
From the NIH talk pages:
Cleanup / Restructuring / Generalisation / More Scholarly article ? 30/4/2012 ==
I am considering a whole restructuring of the article as per the sub-heading to turn it more into a wikipedia article rather than the stub like, ad-hoc nature it has at the moment. NIH goes beyond "inventing" and "industry", it is a wider phenomenon of human interaction and rejection of new ideas and practices. Any suggestions? Much of what is already written would be subsumed into appropriate logically flowing sections rather than the ad-hoc random format it has at the moment. Any suggestions? I will be back with a permanent login to do this. Here's my suggestion:
DRAFT LAYOUT
Phenomenon of rejection of new ideas and practices for reasons of conservatism, ignorance, bias, conflict of interest, nationalism, racism, sexism, class snobbery. Phenonenom of human interaction, branch of psychology and sociology.
Many in high levels of corporate governance who set the example of staff interpersonal relationship are trained at universities, academies, medical schools, militrary academies so we start here first with the analysis of NIH in academia.
1) In Academia
2) In Medicine
Obviously very conservative practice. Penalties are lawsuits and criminal actions.
Very similar demographics to academia, hence same concerns.
Standard model of western reductionism rejects much Eastern and "alternative" treatments and theories despite efficacy.
Traditional bias of care for men (perhaps). Ethnic minorities, transgender, even children. Research not championed or funded as much.
3) In industry
Obviously very conservative practice. Penalties are lawsuits and criminal actions.
Very similar demographics to academia, hence same concerns.
Standard model of western reductionism - or what we think we know.
Much investment in pre-existing equipment to upset apple-cart. cite fab plants, motor industry.
Various sub-industries:
Aviation: cite Wright brothers starting out.cite Burt Rutan and composites.
Mechanical and motor industry.
Computing: format and OS wars.
Semiconductor: cost of fab plants. cost conservatism.
4) In Law (NEED HELP FILING OUT)
Clash between new and old in light of commonsense and modern times.
Clash between English and Napoleonic system. Double jeopardy, habeas corpus and terrorists, Silly things like judges and wigs, solicitor/barrister split and invention of solicitor advocates and how that was blocked. Cameras in court.
Other arcane and dotty traditional stuff that really has no place in this day and age but is blocked just "because that the way it's always been done".
5) In the military (NEED HELP FILING OUT)
Class system and "donkies" of WWI.
Officer rank not so restrictive today.
Disastrous military campaigns for want of utilisation of new ideas and technology
6) In the media
Conservative music promoters. High price of failure if product doesn't take off.
Music: Jazz and Armstrong/Paul Whiteman/Dailymail citation from 1920s - white audiences couldn't believe jazz was black invented. Merseybeat rehashing of black R and B. Prince and rock music. Michael Jackson - extradordinary lengths to gain mass appeal. Rebound reverse racism of rejection of "blue eyed soul" and white acts on R and B charts. Eurovision seen as naff and off British/American axis.
Film: Bollywood and "foreign" cinema and actors lack universal appeal unlike western variants.
7) In sport
Quirks of the past, US not into "soccer", cricket, snooker, F1. Brits not into grid-iron, pool, NASCAR. Brit/US antagonism.
Great sportsmen not recognised across codes or cultures.
Tennis: grass, clay, concrete debate.
8) In popular culture
@@@ Although it appears to digress from the topic of NIH, we are not stressing right or wrong here but just the clash of new ideas with the old and how this appears to be NIH. Debate is pushed out into other wikipedia sections.
We are trying to stress the pattern in NIH thought. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.28.185.235 ( talk) 21:23, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello. Of course, as an administrator, you are not only used to having your edits reverted by IPs and brand new one-issue users (see revert first stage, second stage (note the summary!)) but you also (have to) like it. But us ordinary users are getting just a little bit annoyed when we have to swallow the kind of staff this IPs-and-one-edit-user is dishing out without getting as much as a “go to hell” as a response from even one single administrator to a post on ANI/I bevor it disappears into the archiv. I'm complaining about mores in the German Wikipedia, where administrators block on demand within minutes, if not seconds, without even checking, let alone understandig what they block for or against, but this is not the answer either. I'm sure that you agree with me, that the first sentence in the Abramoff article reading as of now “Jack Abramoff (...) is an American former lobbyist, [former] businessman, [former] movie producer and [former] writer” is ridiculous, even for those who are convinced that the guy is nothing but a has-been aged 53 out on parole with 40some millions in restitution to pay, trying to make a comeback. You no doubt meant well when you replaced “[former] writer” or rather “[former] screenwriter and author” with “[former] author”, but with all due respect, it's still ridiculous, even though basically correct (the author of anything written is an author although usually referred to as author of ..., but with all those e-mails authored by Abramoff published, he probably is in a league of his own as a “former author”), whereas “[former] writer” is not only ridiculous but incorrect as well. But semantics aside, I'd appreciate it if you could put an end to user Eelnire cum corresponding IPs having a field day not only at my, but also at your expense, even though you surely have seen worse – but I haven't, not in the English Wikipedia, and I've edited in more controversial articles than this one. Thank you, Ajnem ( talk) 15:01, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Sarek. Courtesy obliges me to mention I referred to you on AN/I today. It was only indirectly "Another uninvolved editor and myself have been helping explain what it is/isn't reasonable to say from the sources and what are reasonable sources."
New eyes were clearly needed at the ("Jack Abramoff") article(s). Yet the length of the AN/I thread OP and its involving content dispute meant the matter was less likely to receive help or intervention from more uninvolved folks such as the two of us, perhaps even be summarily closed 'NotForHere'.
I'd hoped to stay out of it bar participation and small assistance on the article Talk discussing sourcing/content. The reporting user moving on to now misrepresenting my comments coupled with concerns and over blp-related content (which had me edit the accompanying book article) meant I commented on the de-archived thread with reluctance. Live long and etc. ;) -- 92.6.211.228 ( talk) 17:23, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Hey SarekOfVulcan/Archive 18 :). A quick update on how things are going with the New Page Triage/New Pages Feed project. As the enwiki page notes, the project is divided into two chunks: the "list view" (essentially an updated version of Special:NewPages) and the "article view", a view you'll be presented with when you open up individual articles that contains a toolbar with lots of options to interact with the page - patrolling it, adding maintenance tags, nominating it for deletion, so on.
On the list view front, we're pretty much done! We tried deploying it to enwiki, in line with our Engagement Strategy on Wednesday, but ran into bugs and had to reschedule - the same happened on Thursday :(. We've queued a new deployment for Monday PST, and hopefully that one will go better. If it does, the software will be ready to play around with and test by the following week! :).
On the article view front, the developers are doing some fantastic work designing the toolbar, which we're calling the "curation bar"; you can see a mockup here. A stripped-down version of this should be ready to deploy fairly soon after the list view is; I'm afraid I don't have precise dates yet. When I have more info, or can unleash everyone to test the list view, I'll let you know :). As always, any questions to the talkpage for the project or mine. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 23:33, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Please consider this good for one big Wiki-favor that you need performed by the undersigned at any time in the future.
Thanks for all you do, and the way you do it. After all, who doesn't think Spock's father was the best? Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 16:27, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
what the fuck is this stupid thing? this is the ugliest shit ever, almost like u
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talk) 15:14, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
I guess this was just a technical error. In this case, would you please restore the edit? Thanks in advance.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 18:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Hey SarekOfVulcan! We've finally finished the NPT prototype and deployed it on enwiki. We'll be holding an office hours session on the 16th at 21:00 in #wikimedia-office to show it off, get feedback and plot future developments - hope to see you there! Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 03:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading File:BrewerHighLogo(Maine).png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).
Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 13:11, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Hey all :). A notification that the prototype for the New Pages Feed is now live on enwiki! We had to briefly take it down after an unfortunate bug started showing up, but it's now live and we will continue developing it on-site.
The page can be found at Special:NewPagesFeed. Please, please, please test it and tell us what you think! Note that as a prototype it will inevitably have bugs - if you find one not already mentioned at the talkpage, bring it up and I'm happy to carry it through to the devs. The same is true of any additions you can think of to the software, or any questions you might have - let me know and I'll respond.
Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 13:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Sarek. I just wanted to remind you to add Ottomanist block into ARBMAC log, as he was block per arbmac probation. All best. -- WhiteWriter speaks 21:47, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
What or who is BLP? And why, in your opinion, is the source I referenced ( http://www.hprweb.com/2012/05/same-sex-attractions-in-youth-and-their-right-to-informed-consent/) not a "reliable" source? Sallysue1159 ( talk) 16:33, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
But the reference cited is from a paper that is well researched with 37 references not from a talk. (The paper in question was also presented as the basis for a talk.) Please look at the cited reference again ( http://www.hprweb.com/2012/05/same-sex-attractions-in-youth-and-their-right-to-informed-consent/). Given that Dr. Richard Fitzgibbons serves on an external sub-committee that serves an advisory purpose to the American College of Pediatricians ( http://factsaboutyouth.com/about-us/)he would be privy to the information stated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.222.218.78 ( talk) 17:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks so much with your help on the Jessicka article. It looks much better. Lifespan9 ( talk) 21:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
From five months ago: "Testing - I'm the primary editor of this article, so this shouldn't be treated as real feedback." ( ref) They just unveiled this page and are asking for feedback. Once you have figured out how it works, check out the "What do you think of this page" link in the upper right corner of the page. Jesse V. ( talk) 17:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the polite heads up regarding Priscilla K. Coleman! Nice still have one's head after committing such a faux pas. Cheers! Jim1138 ( talk) 17:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello SarekOfVulcan. If you blocked due to this edit or my conversation with User:Thewolfchild at ANI, you can unblock, I'm not offended and I don't think the block is fair. -- Vejvančický ( talk | contribs) 16:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
It's called a "response" -- notice the quotation formatting? -- and a prediction of the inevitable result of his current course. If he doesn't like it, let him complain. -- Calton | Talk 03:50, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
It's called a "joke". And since when are people punished for what they might do? - thewolfchild 16:33, 11 June 2012 (UTC) (btw - don't you have your own talk page?)
Now that I've given you a couple days to cool down, perhaps you care to explain the block? Thank you. - thewolfchild 16:53, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
I seem to remember that back when "Lightbringer" was active, the anti-masonic website "Freemasonry Watch" was placed on the black list (not sure if it still is)... in any case, we have an editor who is repeatedly adding it to the ELs at the Freemasonry in Turkey article. I have already removed it twice, and don't want to be lured into an edit war over it. Blueboar ( talk) 20:36, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sarek!
Please use your administrative mojo to move all-thirds tuning to major-thirds tunin
A quick move would prevent headaches for reviewers at its DYK nomination.
Cheers, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 19:47, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
P.S. Is there an article on the Vulcan stringed instrument?
It looks likes signatures are used at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Special enforcement log, and you might want to sign your edit. Johnuniq ( talk) 03:03, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
FYI: You have of course been mentioned: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Perth/Workshop#SarekOfVulcan. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 16:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
As the closing admin, could you please list the ban at WP:RESTRICT? It'd be nice if it were on Sceptre's user page as well, but it's probably too late to do that. Thanks.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 16:50, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Good move, nice to see someone had the balls to do what was right. Sorry to see you've been caught up in the ArbCom case because of it. Jenks24 ( talk) 04:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion on moving the article Côte d'Ivoire to Ivory Coast. You are being notified since you participated in a previous discussion on this topic. Please join the discussion here if you are interested. TDL ( talk) 02:35, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Sarek. This is just a note to let you know that your recent block of Sceptre is the subject of a thread at ANI: Wikipedia:ANI#Two unblockrequests. -- Dianna ( talk) 06:05, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
it's about third party requests made by someone who is not blocked, and did not do the block. It's about editor retention. Penyulap ☏ 18:12, 27 Jun 2012 (UTC)
It seems there are editors weighing in on the scope and duration of the ban you implemented on Sceptre. I believe it is clear that as the administrator who chose to implement the ban, your interpretation of the consensus and your will on this are the absolute basis for the scope of the ban. Even the recent unblock request did not focus on changing the scope of your implementation, just the enforcement of it. I would suggest that if you have a moment, you make a very clear and unambiguous statement about the namespaces covered, the duration, and the topic covered, including a tiny bit about how appeals may be properly made by Sceptre in future. Thanks. -- Avanu ( talk) 19:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Change_to_topic_ban
Hi Sarek. I'm in a discussion with Thewolfchild over on his talk page regarding his block. I understand you wanted to disengage after your last encounter with him, but I was wondering if you would be able give your input over there. If you choose not to respond here or there, I will completely understand. Thank you. Ish dar ian 03:06, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
I been talking to Zach and he told me I should personally ask to have my talk page history deleted. The reason for this is I am taking a short break from Wikipedia and I want the past gone and no reminders of it. That is why I put my pages up for deletion to have a chance to get away from the past and start a fresh when I get back. I hope you can understand and I am sure a lot of people want that. If it is okay now that I have explained it, may I put my talk page up for deletion just to get rid of the history? Swifty* talk 00:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your comments on the authority control proposal on the Village Pump. We've refined it and worked out some more details after the discussion, and there is now a community Request for Comment to approve it being implemented. Any comments gratefully received! Andrew Gray ( talk) 10:03, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Please see my comments on why I undid your revert of my contribution here. I'm just notifying you - I think it would be best to discuss it there. Warm regards. Hugetim ( talk) 21:41, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Help desk#Zeta Delta Xi regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Dru of Id ( talk) 13:24, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Greetings, Sarek. I noticed you gave Ansob 48 hours for continuing his edit war immediately after his previous block expired (which only came to my attention through Recent change patrol). I thought you might want to know that, after his appeal was declined, he seems to be using an anon IP to circumvent his block ( see this edit) and including a deceptive edit summary. Live long and prosper.-- William Thweatt Talk Contribs 17:57, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello--I've been searching for the appropriate venue to request this deletion review...my sense was that there must exist some routine process of first resort, and that approaching you directly would only be interpreted as confrontational intent. However, my present understanding--which may be wildly inaccurate--is that an attempt to convince you to reverse yourself is expected.
I believe the article Zeta Delta Xi should be restored. The rationale you invoked for deleting the article was A7. No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content). However, Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion proscribes its application in this case:
The article plainly contains descriptions intended to establish the significance of the organization. Further, it is immaterial whether those descriptions successfully establish significance. According to Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, those descriptions must be prima facie untrue or misleading for the article to remain subject to speedy deletion per A7:
A7 is not an available remedy for issues such as improper documentation, insufficient corroboration, or incomplete citations. The unrelated existence of any passage intended to demonstrate the significance of the subject is enough to disqualify A7 from being applied:
Thank you taking time to read this and re-consider your decision. -- Patronanejo ( talk) 09:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. -- Patronanejo ( talk) 00:16, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Zeta Delta Xi. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Patronanejo ( talk) 02:24, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your eventual decision to self-overturn at Wikipedia:Deletion review. I felt that any attempt to steer the discussion would be inappropriate, but I was confident that this would be the only possible outcome.
I was gratified to see that a diligent reading of CSD could only lead users to identify the same procedural defects I established for you in my direct appeal for reversal. Like you, I was initially unaware of the previous failed speedy-delete, or I might have saved us all the trouble. I note that you thanked Rossami for bringing it to your attention, but Dru of Id mentioned it in the first entry of the deletion review.
This is an oversight, I'm sure, made curious only by the fact that you addressed other issues raised in that entry. -- Patronanejo ( talk) 22:13, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sarek. I hope you are doing great these days. Hey, since you are an administrator here on Wiki, I need a sort of request or favor from you. Can you transfer the content of this sandbox together with the revision history to article entitled Sins of My Father (song). I would be grateful. Thanks— Tomica (talk) 01:11, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Sarek, I don't welcome your commenting on my Talk page and I don't welcome your following my contributions closely, as you started to do today. In the past, what seemed like friendly interactions devolved into edit conflicts, "gotcha" claims, repeated confrontation, and wikihounding. I don't want to debate or repeat the past. I would appreciate if you would completely back off. Please. -- do ncr am 22:01, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm always bothered when admins with an ax to grind use their authority as an admin to get their way. You obviously have an interest in the subject and have taken a position in an editing dispute. I'm done with the issue, but I think when you are acting as an admin you ought to be impartial and when you are an editor in a dispute you ought to refrain from abusing your position to get your way. If I'm not mistaken, WP policies are consistent with my opinion. Mamalujo ( talk) 18:51, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Per WP:AN3#User:Mamalujo reported by User:SarekOfVulcan (Result: ). It does not seem likely that the 3RR board will take any action, since Mamalujo is not continuing to revert. If you are concerned about the use of an IP to join with the registered account in an edit war, you might still have a case to present at WP:SPI. If you do so, it would help if you could show that both the IP and the account reverted the same article. In my opinion the IP and the account are the same person. The only question is whether it was inadvertent. Also, it makes a difference if the editor will own up to the situation. Thank you, EdJohnston ( talk) 17:54, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
You are not permitted to post to my talkpage under any circumstances. The history of your attitude towards me is far too long for anyone with more than one braincell to believe you are unbiased.
Is that clear? Do not, ever, post to my talkpage again. If I have done something so egregious that I need talking to, someone else will do it.
Not you. Ever. As an editor or as an admin, you are permanently unwelcome at my talkpage. I will not be watching your page, and should you ever post to my talkpage again it will be construed as harassment and I will take it to ArbCom if necessary.
I trust we understand each other.
Goodbye. → ROUX ₪ 23:22, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I hope I can convey this in a way that comes across positive and helpful. While I've had issues with you myself in the past, and notwithstanding the praise given by Lionelt above, would it hurt to simply tell the guy, "Fine, I don't need the headache. Let's go our separate ways for a while?" I don't know if it is really intentional, but it feels like you're just poking him a tiny bit and he's getting more and more worked up over it. I don't see a point in this drama really, and after my recent calling you a name, I started to rethink how I've looked at you as a fellow editor and decided to simply let the past stay there.
I guess my only real point right now is to ask for you to be a leader in this situation and help diffuse things. -- Avanu ( talk) 02:25, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Civility Award | ||
Instead of blocking me on site for my bad conduct, you gave me a chance and explained what I was doing wrong likely protecting me from being blocked had I continued. Thank you! Keystoner idin (speak) 03:07, 8 July 2012 (UTC) |
Fasttimes68's comments on there should be voided because he is solely upset that you fully protected the Stephanie Adams page, which Fasttimes68 is obsessed with and cannot make edits on. As a result, he's also being considered for a topic ban. Take a look at his talk page and contributions, and you will see that the Stephanie Adams page will continue to be a heated topic until something is done about the petty desire to remove the school she went to and other nonsense. Bowwowbow ( talk) 18:37, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I've requested the assistance of an uninvolved administrator to restore the stable wording of the precision criterion. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Please_restore_stable_precision_wording_at_WP:AT. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 18:43, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
The Barnstar of Good Humor | ||
Awarded for
"pushing the button" and
"turning the key". – Lionel ( talk) 03:45, 10 July 2012 (UTC) |
While it doesn't fit the "Venn diagram" of categorization, including an instrument article (e.g. Clarinet) in a category of instrumentalists (e.g., Clarinetists) has been deliberately done to connect related articles. This has been discussed a little bit at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Musical_Instruments/Archive_1#Instrumentalist_categories_at_instrument_articles - I can see both sides of the issue, but it's not clearly settled that these categorizations should be undone. - Special-T ( talk) 16:51, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
You fully protected this article for a limited time and I have a strong feeling it is going to have to be extended. Take a look at the talk page, the users named fasttimes68 and hoary, the noticeboard link within fasttimes68's "contributions" where he is trying to defend himself from being banned from this article, and you will see that they were and continue to be a problem with petty, malicious, unhelpful editing. It might be best to protect it longer until disputes have been fully resolved. Just a heads up. Bowwowbow ( talk) 19:38, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Was he ever banned? Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive758#Topic_ban_User:fasttimes68_from_Stephanie_Adams Bowwowbow ( talk) 19:46, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
The Civility Barnstar | |
I saw the discussion on AN/I, and I applaud you for maintaining remarkable civility in the midst of unparalleled harassment by User:Roux. If there were such an award, I would give you the "Fit for the Tools" award, as admins are supposed to be models for the whole community, especially in civility. You really did your job as an admin there, and you probably did just what the fictional Sarek would do--that is, keeping your cool in a storm. Anyway, congratulations. User:Roux was testing you, and you won. ChromaNebula (talk) 00:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC) |
I'm just curious...what happened there? How did you spot that the two were the same editor, fighting with himself, insulting himself, etc.? CU? But don't spill the WP:BEANS. Qwyrxian ( talk) 20:38, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
SarekOfVulcan, I don't understand why this ANI was disruptive. Could you please clarify? RockMagnetist ( talk) 18:01, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Any objection to restoring talk page access for him? Maybe it's been long enough... Kafziel Complaint Department: Please take a number 18:41, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi, could you take a look at this thread? It looks like a legitimate issue and seems to be languishing in the midst of even higher than usual levels of drama at WP:ANI. Thanks. JanetteDoe ( talk) 20:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
FYI, I have requested formal mediation here to decide the "The/the" issue, hopefully once and for all. Feel free to add your name there if you so wish. ~ GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 00:22, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
The blocked editor has commented back regarding what he believes the sequence of events to be: User_talk:F=q(E+v^B)#Recovery. IRWolfie- ( talk) 13:47, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi! You voiced a concern on the RI project page last February which I just read yesterday. It has prompted a big discussion, and I would love your input. I need to know if I'm barking up the wrong tree. The discussion is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States#What is going on here?. Thanks for any input/comments. Sarnold17 ( talk) 15:00, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
For a gracious acceptance of criticism. I think I appreciate the dilemma here. On the one hand, I think you've (hopefully inadvertently) gotten pretty good at pushing Doncram's buttons, or one might equally well say he's hypersensitive to your presence. In these circumstances, I think it's best to adapt a sort of legal or adversarial air: try to stick to the facts and say nothing unnecessary or personal, because however well-intentioned, it will undoubtedly be read as hostility. (There's also good WikiPolitics in this. e.g., a notorious pattern of interaction with some of our talented but out-of-mainstream content editors is that someone will come up and ask them a neutrally worded question. Intentionally or not, this question would provoke a loud, disruptive and emotional reaction, utterly predictable by people who knew that editor; and whether or not the person asking the question meant it maliciously, there would always be someone to blame the whole debacle on them for "poking".)
That said, I'm also fully aware of Doncram's strategy, which is to obtain mutual interaction bans with you and Orlady and carry on with his article creation without any alteration. I think it would be a huge mistake to try and protect him from scrutiny by insisting that you shouldn't comment on him at all. (The last round between the two of you, and subsequent blocks, struck me as the epitome of our dispute-resolution brokenness here: because anyone with a decent grasp of a subtle content/behavioral problem is arguably "involved" by the time they understand it, the article-creation issue never got fixed, and it wasn't until the two of you started beating on each other that someone stepped in—and completely failed to resolve the underlying issue, because we only take notice of "conduct".)
It would be nice if Dennis got a response out of him, but we've been staging Bartleby, the Scrivener for the past several years, and I'm not hopeful. I'm too weighed down in RL to sort through 10,000 diffs single-handed, but if an RFC is what we need, I'm willing to take part. I know people have suggested alternatives (userspace drafts, etc.) to him several times before, but if you need Dennis or me to offer a palette of compromises to him as a prelude to certifying an RFC, let me know. I don't want this to wind up in a place where someone glances at the latest interactions, says "Oh, Sarek/Orlady was poking this poor innocuous editor," and we lose one of you for a while because you were doggedly trying to fix his mistakes. Tell me what I can do to push dispute resolution along, and I'll try to lend a hand. Choess ( talk) 02:34, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
I have no idea what you're referring to. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs( talk) 12:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sarek. I've enjoyed editing semi-collaboratively semi-competitively in numerous past articles. I wonder if we could devise a point system and keep score somehow.
Tallying at some work-page, point-scoring on honor system, emphasis on avoiding overhead. Abandon if not fun.
Do you like? -- do ncr am 15:52, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I am ambivalent about replying at all. But thanks, though I don't consider C. Ferris White better work than others. It was just a simpler case to bring that one a pretty good standard. Some new architect/builder/engineer topics are thornier and require more edits, immediately or later, to bring up. The fact of this one turning out to be simple to establish to your satisfaction, is not what you might be trying to imply, but I am happy you approve nonetheless. -- do ncr am 13:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi, can you please clarify this thread? Regards, Giant Snowman 16:22, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Next time, just make a simple hyperlink. Uncle G ( talk) 16:52, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I have begun a discussion on the talk page. I see this adverse effect as sufficiently notable to be mentioned in the lead. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your talk page please reply on mine) 16:57, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Am I not allowed to discuss this with BWilkins? I am trying to work it out so there is no bad blood moving forward. ~ GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 23:42, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
There are numerous personal attacks against me at the Sgt Pepper talk page. Other editors have tried to "hat" them but one or two users keep restoring them. It is my understanding that personal attacks can and should be removed from the talk page. Can you offer any advice in this regard, Thanks. ~ GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 00:53, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
thanks for calling this to my attention. Let me know if you disagree with how I handled it. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sarek of Vulcan !
There is a discussion of hyphenation at major thirds tuning....
In the past, hyphenation has led to blood-shed, and so I trust that your logical mind can help us achieve consensus.
Cheers, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 16:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I have asked for a deletion review of Jesse Liberty. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Msnicki ( talk) 17:24, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
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