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I've deleted the page (again) for copyright infringement of an article I found online. You commented on the article's talk page, so I'm letting you know. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:05, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I see you recently moved Web Storage to Web storage, citing MOS:CAPS, but the proper name is actually Web Storage, so I believe the move was incorrect. Thanks for your time.
-- MilkMiruku ( talk) 06:00, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi there! Being a frequent Motto of the Day participant i thought you might care to comment on a current nomination at the Specials page, urgent in that it is due for January 18, 2012 (in two days time). Thanks, benzband ( talk) 21:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Collapsed thread due to newly-imposed interaction ban
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I am writing this to you openly so as to avoid any possible accusations or suspicions about of behind-the-scenes impropriety. As you may remember, here there were 6 of us that supported an interaction ban between Pieter Kuiper and me, with him alone objecting. Then more recently, you seem to have changed your mind. Well we are getting into a full blown situation again now with mud-slinging about "spurios" edits and about"hoaxes" etc. And I sincerely fear I'm not going to make it on enWP much longer if this continues. I lose sleep over Kuiper's behavior and actually feel physically sick over it at times, that's how hurtful and denigrating I find his unreleting campaign of insults. Please, Mr. Stradivarius! Do you have any constructive advice as to what might be able to be done? SergeWoodzing ( talk) 06:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC) PS: Please allow me to quote here my most important statement from that previous discussion: Accusations against me of "rather poor editing" cannot be substantiated in fact, and Kuiper has no expertise whatsoever in the areas where I usually work, such as Swedish history. I do. If enWP doesn't want to appreciate that, it would be sad for me and for WP. Please note that I am the one requesting this, not Kuiper, just like the one that was negotiated with him on Commons, where it was documemnted how he stalks and bugs other editors too. He always has a personal, not a helpfully informational, agenda. I make a lot of mistakes, like we all do, and as I said at Commons, I am always very interested in all civil, constructrive help in correcting them. I am not interested, though, in being hounded by Kuiper for several more years, or in agreeing to his being given free reign to add more things like the huge penis image to articles about people like Queen Sophia Magdalena of Sweden to slur her reputation posthumously, as I see it, in an article where the image isn't that relevant to her life story. I try very hard to edit in a neutral and balanced manner and to add valuable info, but I have added a few personal-name exonyms at times which I knew of as factual, but in a very few caess was not able to source properly. If it can be shown that I have done any other "poor editing" than that, or that I have ever stalked anyone or been sarcastic and rude to anyone who has been civil to me, please show me those errors, so that I may mend my ways! The ban on Commons had the prerequisite that Kuiper, if he sees that I have made any mistakes that need correcting, could inform another neutral editor to deal with that rather than acting on it himself. Excellent solution. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 06:54, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
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Hey, thank you for your help on my article on Domestication and Foreignization. I am a Master student in Translation Studies and I was required to create an entry on Wikipedia as part of my final project for one of my courses. It turned out to be more complex process that I had imagined. So sincerely thank you for the editing. Best, -- Miss barbarona ( talk) 18:08, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
One consequence of this is that we can't do original research on Wikipedia, as that would be unverifiable. Wikipedia is a tertiary source, and we must rely on secondary sources to get our material (with limited and judicious use of primary sources). The policy in this case is Wikipedia:No original research. I recommend that you read both of these, and if you can I'd be really grateful if you can find secondary sources for the claims that you made in the foreignization article. (I've had a little look round at the literature, so I know that there are plenty of sources to choose from.) If we get it sorted out by tomorrow then we can enter it for Did you know? and it could be featured on the main page. We will have to get a move on to do it though! Let me know if you have any questions. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 14:04, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Just wanted your feedback on a new Wiki that I have created. Does it meet Wiki standards? Would appreciate your comments and feedback (and help!). Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Bangalore_restaurant_week Varunr ( talk) 11:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Looking for a third opinion at DRN. Would you mind providing an opinion here. Racingstripes ( talk) 16:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
This is a poke to find further input on the following DR/N: [1]
Please feel free to weigh in.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 19:08, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Mr. Stradivarius, with all due respect, I do not agree with your closing comments. I do not agree with you that the argument that DO is ambiguous regarding the degree vs. the holder of the degree is a persuasive one. This is an argument that I already thoroughly addressed during the discussion with the other editors. It is clear from context, not to mention from the crystal clear definition at the article's beginning, that DO is being used to refer to the holder of the degree in the article. Or, we could just say DO degree when referring to the degree to improve clarity on that front. That ultimately seems simpler to me than expanding the phrase M.D. because what are you going to expand it into? You could expand it into Doctor of Medicine and DO into Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine, I think that would be an excellent solution, granted you might sacrifice a bit of conciseness in doing so, but it would ultimately improve clarity if people are really not going to be able to figure out that DO means the holder of the DO degree. Personally, I think it's rather simple. DOs performing acts, e.g. DOs perform surgery, prescribe medications, and attend four years of medical school and several years of residency, etc. the context of this sentence seems extremely clear to me that a piece of paper is not performing the actions but the holder of the degree. That being said, I would not be opposed to expanding DO to Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine and MD to Doctor of Medicine since these are the appropriate titles. The MD community has voiced strong concerns, and understandably so, that the term allopathic is not a suitable one due to its pejorative connotations much the way the DO community has voices its concerns over the term osteopath because it is an outdated term and leads to confusion between American trained osteopathic physicians (DOs) and foreign trained osteopaths which are not the same. I also do not agree with the decision on "consensus." If that is what consensus is, which is really ill-defined on the consensus page if we're being honest here, then wikipedia has some deeply flawed policies in dire need of reform. Wikipedia needs specific guidelines dictating how many people in a debate such as this one must be on one side of the issue to constitute consensus (e.g. >80% must agree to establish consensus) and/or a requirement for a number of users to be engaged in the discussion should be in place to ensure that a representative view of the wikipedia community is achieved. If there is some way to convey my sentiments to the other editors involved in this debate, I can't even find the new RFC page since the one I posted apparently did not work and someone fixed it, I would deeply appreciate it. I do not know your exact role on wikipedia but it seems you have more knowledge of wikipedia's ins and outs than myself. DoctorK88 ( talk) 16:31, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
If I am reading this rightly, then it would seem that the original reason that you wanted to change osteopathic physician to DO was to emphasize the difference between (in the words of the osteopathy article) '"restricted scope manual therapist" osteopaths and "full scope of medical practice" osteopathic physicians'. I agree that this is an important and necessary distinction to make, and we should make it crystal clear to Wikipedia readers that osteopathic physicians are fully accepted by the medical establishment. How about making this distinction even more explicit in the article text, while still using plain English words rather than abbreviations?
As for the term "allopathic", I agree that using it is not a good idea. Maybe we could say something like "licensed medical practitioners"? That still doesn't quite get the distinction between the person with the medical degree, the degree itself, and the licence to practice, though. I think the other medical editors would be your best resource here - you can try and work things out on the article talk page, or you can ask the editors at WikiProject Medicine. There are a lot of clever and helpful editors at that WikiProject, and although you have had a hard time with discussions there so far, I am sure that they will give you good advice if you are willing to listen.
By the way, I don't have any official role in Wikipedia, I just have a bit of experience at resolving disputes between editors and help out at the noticeboard from time to time. In fact, most processes on Wikipedia are run in this fashion, and even administrators have the same say in discussions as any other editor. (Though in practice, editors who have a good understanding of how to apply Wikipedia's policies and guidelines often gain a significant amount of respect.) This is also one of those things that takes some getting used to.
I see that you have already opened an RfC on the article talk page. I'm afraid that this is all we can do regarding the matter of DO versus osteopathic physician at the moment, and you will have to wait for other editors to comment. If the RfC provides more editors that support using DO, then there may be a case for its inclusion, but if not then unfortunately you will have little choice but to accept it. Be aware that any judgment of consensus must also include the editors who have already commented at WikiProject Medicine and at the dispute resolution noticeboard, so I would say we would need at least three or four more editors to come out in favor of DO for there to be a reasonable doubt over using osteopathic physician. I hope you can understand this. All the best — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 02:18, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi there, Mr. Stradivarius ! If you can spare a moment please comment on some of the current nominations at WP:MOTD, as they are in need of votes.
Cheers, benzband ( talk) 09:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Got time to do a Google Hangout in an hour? Steven Zhang Join the DR army! 05:04, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Mr. Stradivarius,
thank you very much for your message!
Kind Regards Laurentius2008 ( talk) 10:23, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I've decided to start a project discussion on this. Please see WT:MOTD. Simply south.... .. having large explosions for 5 years 17:43, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey Mr. Stradivarius, I think this would be the perfect opportunity to work together while Steven is on break, such as, working to keep everything at DRN and MEDCAB in order while he's gone. Also, another note, do you mind taking over " Purpose redirect" strand, I'm busy with other things as well as the stuff Steve has given us. Thanks! Whenaxis talk · contribs 23:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Dear Mr Stradivaruis, Hi,I just had a quick question as I read your message sent to me and I just wanted to find some more information that you might be able to help me with since you seem like you have a great amount of knowledge in second language acquisition. I myself did not speak English first as it is actually my fourth language learnt. I first learnt my home language, Farsi from my Afghan parents as a child and living in a French city, I learnt French at school, which none of my parents thought me. I then learnt Dari which is a bit similar in some ways to Farsi but has many different words and pronunciation styles from other relatives. After moving, we moved into an English speaking city, which I learnt English in less than a year at 9 years old from other kids and teachers at school. I picked up languages very fast as a child and was able to communicate really well without any help from my parents and I never went home to practice language. I just could not learn to write the languages I learnt to speak very fast. Sorry for all of that information but it was just some background information that might help in my question. Adults seem to have a much harder time learning language then kids but as a child I never focused on the writing aspect, I was wondering if you could share with me some information that can help me understand why a child might learn faster a language than an adult, because when it comes to other types of knowledge, adults are able to learn much faster then a child. Also, i was just wondering if it is better to learn how to speak a language and forget the majority of writing aspects or is it better to focus on both to learn a new language. Sorry for the big paragraph and I do not mean to take your time, and if you ever have free time and could show me a few good sources to learn more, it will be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely, Abdul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdulpshyc ( talk • contribs) 03:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
First, your point about children learning quicker than adults. Actually, at the beginning stages, this isn't true - adults actually learn faster than children, given the same conditions. Adults have the advantage of already knowing a lot about the world, and are able to use logical reasoning and conscious memory strategies, which gives them an edge over children. However, adults almost always fossilize, meaning that they almost never reach the same level as native speakers who learned their language as a child. They also often learn slower than children do in practice, due to a number of factors.
The factors that slow adult learning and increase the chance of fossilization are both biological, and environmental. The biological factors are a result of the brain developing over time; some of them are due purely to aging, and some are a result of already knowing another language. In second-language acquisition, there is a term language transfer that refers to a person's first language "interfering" with their second.
You might be more interested in the environmental factors. One of these is that often, adults receive much worse language input than children. People often try and talk about complicated subjects to adult language learners, with the result that they don't understand and don't learn anything. On the other hand, people generally use simple language with children, and it is usually focused on the here-and-now; this kind of input is much better for language learning. Also, adults can have negative attitudes towards language learning, possibly because of their culture or their society, or possibly because they are nervous or uncertain about learning.
Also, although adults' capability for conscious reasoning helps them with some aspects of language learning, it can hinder them with others. This mental capacity can trick adults into thinking that "knowing the rules" is the most important thing in language learning, when actually subconscious learning - learning without realising that you are learning - is arguably more important for becoming fluent. (There is still much debate about this.)
As for whether it is better just to learn how to speak and listen, or whether you should learn to read and write as well, it depends what you want to use your language for. If you are only going to be speaking to people (like learning a new language for going on holiday, for example), then not learning how to read and write may be enough. However, if you want to use a language seriously, then reading and writing are indispensible. Also, your reading and writing skills can help your listening and speaking skills - there is an overlap between the different areas. However, there are many elements of reading and writing that need to be learned consciously, such as learning the alphabet itself, how letters correspond to sounds, and wider issues of formatting and style. In general, learning to read and write requires more conscious learning than listening and speaking, although the exact degree to which conscious attention is required in second-language acquisition is controversial.
So, now for my recommendations for learning. A lot depends on what stage you are at in the language that you want to learn, but in general I would focus on listening first, then reading, and then let the other two skills follow. Listening informs all of the other language skills, and you need to listen to a lot of language to learn it. The best listening is focused on meaning, easy enough for you to understand, and repetitive. It should also be in context - you should always be able to picture the situation in your head. Reading will also help you a lot, especially extensive reading of easy novels.
However, even though listening and reading should come first, you shouldn't just learn them in isolation. You should learn them together with the other two skills. For example you could listen to an audio book, then read the real book, then talk to a native speaker about it using your own words, and then maybe write a diary entry about it and have it checked by a teacher. It is also important to learn grammar, but I think that grammar should help you understand new things in the language that are strange to you - you shouldn't just learn the grammar and then expect to be able to use it in real life. Use grammar as seasoning, and listening and reading as the main dish. This has been a very long reply, but don't worry! I actually enjoyed writing it. Let me know if you have any other questions. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 07:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi. How would you like to proceed regarding Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Purpose_redirected_discussion? I appreciate your help with this. We could get something together in short order. Thanks Zulu Papa 5 * ( talk) 00:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey, Mr. Stradivarius,
I'm hoping you can just keep an eye on Lotus E20 for the next few days. It's nothing serious; the ceasefire has ended, and the page is progressing. Going back to the original dispute, DeFacto's main issue seems to have been that device that was developed for the car had no reference stating that it was developed for the car. I have since found a reference that supports this statement, and edited the page accordingly. However, DeFacto insists on editing the page to include phrases like "it was reported that" and "was expected to feature" when there is a reference that clearly supports the statement that the device was intended for use. It's basically weasel words, creating a possibility that what was reported did not actually happen at all. I don't want another row over it, so can you please keep an eye on things? Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 08:31, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Dear Mr Stradivarius I just wanted to advise you that I have edited the Wikipedia page for the artist SNiPER (Anthony Melas) previously of So Solid Crew. He is currently receiving play on BBC Radio1 extra; http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01blcy0 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01b98x4 but on the link for his name it comes up with Wikipedia information on a French band called Sniper. It does however say that this can be changed; http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/88ad74d6-2dde-496f-86f3-722ff9274ea9. This entry is from Wikipedia, the user-contributed encyclopedia. It may not have been reviewed by professional editors and is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License. If you find the biography content factually incorrect, defamatory or highly offensive you can edit this article at Wikipedia.
Because there isn’t the correct page, the BBC have attached the wrong information to his name. I think that with his recent press and radio coverage he does in fact qualify as recognised solo artist. I really feel that it would be clearer for all his thousands of fans around the world if his career was recognised on Wikipedia.
I thank you for your time and look forward to hearing from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samantha forrest ( talk • contribs) 16:02, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your time, I really appreciate your help..I am a bit of a Wikipedia novice! I have included a citation for a review from UK music publication RWD Magazine and there are plenty of features from 'The Cyprus Weekly' Newspaper. It is difficult to link to such articles but they are there! Is there anything else I can do? - Samantha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samantha forrest ( talk • contribs) 16:41, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of this afd is keep? Did I miss something here? SaveATree EatAVegan 13:04, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Would you have guidance on how to append the closed Thanksgiving DR, to the talk page and edit summaries through a permalink? I understand this is a technical question but I thought you might know. Thanks. Alanscottwalker ( talk) 13:53, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is " Charles R. Pellegrino, Charles R. Pellegrino". Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redslider ( talk • contribs) 00:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Regarding your comment here, it is evident that MiszaBot is not running anywhere for the moment. See Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard#Misza13's bots seem to be down. The machine at nightshade.toolserver.org is still not responding. I left a note at WP:VPT. There ought to be an official way of contacting the toolserver admins. EdJohnston ( talk) 03:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
You know, re: Cahokia dating discusssion, I should point out that the people who post here have an advantage over me:
a. they are familiar with the system; they know all the technics of wikipedia, all the terminologies, etc.
b. I just don't have the time to spend on all this.
I think, personally, that the development of the CE BCE terms were misguided; an early political move that's pretty flat. Who's really offended by AD/BC? Not the Muslims. . . It's an antiscientific approach as well, rewriting history in a Stalinistic fashion to serve some petty political end.
and this was all then taken up to lend an air of scholarliness to one's writing; a snooty tactic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Todd Volker ( talk • contribs) 00:20, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi - are you able to help with this? The IP is back adding garbage to the article, reverting undos, adding more garbage - but I don't know what to do next or how to stop it. Thanks! Fosse8 ( talk) 23:07, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Huzzah! MiszaBot is working again! [2]. Whenaxis talk · contribs | DR goes to Wikimania! 23:08, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I saw your notice about the proposed deletion of the Moose Lake Airport article.
First of all, a newbie question about wikipedia: how do I add my own comments in reply to the proposed deletion tags? I'm not sure how to do it, so here's my opinion:
I agree with you that the notability of this airport is a bit unclear. I first found it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_by_IATA_code:_Y#YA Then I looked in the official website of IATA and I verified that the YAD code exists and is assigned to this airport. Then I looked up the airport in many websites and found it in many of them. I put two of these websites as sources, but there are a few more. Then I looked at the coords. The coords in the sources seemed to be completely wrong, so I looked for the town in google maps. And there is an area just out of town that is marked "Moose Lake Airport" in google maps, so I used the coords of that point. Also, in the town there is a street named "Airport Rd", which goes in that kind of direction too. As regards actually seeing the airport on the map, there are a couple of places that look like they might be a runway, but the image is not that good and there seems to be snow/ice, etc. So to sum up, I agree with you that this airport is not very important, so if you want to delete this article it's not a big deal and we could just forget about this one and tackle the hundreds of airports that still don't have their articles. What do you reckon? Azylber ( talk) 16:00, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
This brings me to the second part of my answer, about notability. To prove that Moose Lake Airport is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, you need to satisfy the general notability guideline. This means that you need to find significant coverage of the airport in multiple reliable sources. This means things like books, newspaper articles, or journal articles that discuss the airport in enough depth for us to be able to write something useful about it. If you can find these sources, then the article will almost definitely be kept. If you remove the PROD tag without proving that the airport is notable, though, then I will nominate the article for AfD so that we can have a wider community discussion about it. Going to AfD doesn't necessarily mean that the article will be deleted, but if no other editors can find sources about the airport then the chances of it being deleted are very high. I hope this answers your question, but if there's anything else you want to know then please feel free to ask. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 23:48, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello Mr. Stradivarius,
Thank you for contacting me regarding my recent revision on Hangul page. I'm little confused about your reasoning behind your action though.
These are the main points that I got from your message. Please correct me if I'm wrong:
1. You identified as yourself as a non-expert; 2. You are aware that "hanguel" is the correct term; and 3. You argued that "hangul" is common than "hangeul"
Overall, your arguments seem very illogical to me. It almost seems absurd that even if you know "hangeul" is the correct term but not use it because most people don't. I kind of understand where you are coming from, but your reasonings still lack credibilities.
These are my reasonings behind my action/response to your claims:
1. Inconsideration/importance of restoration. The reason why you saw "hangul" on English sources is because people often skip accent marks (which is why "hangul" became so common). To avoid further widespread of ignorance, our government started to replace "ŭ" with "eu" for better understanding/speaking of our language to both Koreans and non-Koreans. 2. Importance of historical concept/meaning. "Hangeul" is first invented/introduced by King Sejong in the book called "The Correct Sounds for Teaching People" to help our people to be educated for the betterment of their lives (Especially for lower class, they were mistreated by upper class/officials due to lack of education; often did not even have an access to learn a language). King Sejong thought the best way to learn a language is to live within a language. His effort to put nature in our writing was done by basing the shape of the mouth/tongue into the shapes of the consonants. Hence, writing it as "hangul" is not only distorting King Sejong's great intention to help Koreans (at the time) to learn Korean language more efficiently but also corrupting the "correct sound" of our language (the sound of "hangeul" and "hangul" is clearly different when you learn our language). 3. Avoidance of future misnaming. If we allow "hangul" to be used continuously, who knows it's going to be transformed into hanggoool or hanggul? 4. Ultimately, hangul = poor reversibility.
+ Also, your exemplified that you have an article on Florence not Firenze. This is not a correct example to use in this case. The correct example would be you have an article on "Hangul" not "한글"
+ Thus, it is my understanding that "hangul" is inappropriate to be titled/used officially (it could be explained in the paragraphs in the page)
I think the best solution to this would be either "Han'gŭl" or "Hangeul" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maymklee ( talk • contribs) 22:22, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Please reassess your concerns regarding the deletion of Richard Landis. I have added additional wp:rs and facts of notability. I hope you'll agree this article meets inclusion criteria. Thanks - My76Strat ( talk) 04:42, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello Mr. Stradivarius, I hope you enjoy this cookie as an amicable greeting from a fellow Wikipedian. SwisterTwister talk 06:16, 1 March 2012 (UTC) |
Hi Mr Stradivarius, I am not too sure how to use Wikipedia, as I am not a propellorhead, and it confuses me. I am trying to find your comment about the matter in the subject header above.
Can you help me?
thanks 124.149.39.201 ( talk) 08:15, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Good luck ;-) I've added it to my watchlist, so poke me if you need a hand (though I doubt you will). Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 21:12, 1 March 2012 (UTC)