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Why does this article say that she’s a Democrat if she supports conservative ideology? 71.114.123.162 ( talk) 08:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC) reply

The article says she left the Democratic Party. TFD ( talk) 14:36, 2 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Can we get rid of the Conservative designation for someone who has a Liberal Ideology? ^[1] 23.122.176.75 ( talk) 21:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC) ObviousGuy 14:36, 23 January 2024 (UTC) reply

There is mention in the first lead paragraph about her leaving the Democratic party and becoming an Independent as well as another mention of it in the final lead section paragraph. I am thinking about trying to consolidate it to just one occurrence/mention for the lead as it isn't really necessary for repeated information in the lead. Should be more concise. Any editors object or have any other thoughts on how to handle? I'm not thinking about removing all the content in the later mention but maybe just eliminating the fact it mentions she leaves the Democratic party in October 2022. Eruditess ( talk) 21:10, 28 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Marking as  Done as a nice editor carried this request out. - Eruditess ( talk) 17:32, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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This sentence is poorly written and easily misunderstood...X:

"During her term of office, Gabbard successfully led opposition to, and protests of, a state bill that would have legalized same-sex civil unions,"

Change to something something like...Y:

During her term of office, Gabbard successfully led opposition and protests to a state bill that would have legalized same-sex civil unions. 2403:6200:8810:9F7E:6C73:5833:52F2:32C4 ( talk) 00:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

 Done. A. Randomdude0000 ( talk) 01:14, 21 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Tulsi has described herself as Vegetarian, and not Vegan, as correctly reported by New Yorker and Indo-American https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe https://archive.ph/20121105052532/http://www.indoamerican-news.com/archives/12109 The NY Times article "Tulasi thinks we are doomed" claiming her as Vegan, was an article written in bad taste with an attacking negative tone, and potentially libelous claims, and does not mention primary source for "Vegan" claim.

Hence it is violation of WP:BLP to refer her as Vegan, when she has never called herself Vegan. It should be Vegetarian and not Vegan. I can provide more WP:RS sources for Vegetarian, if any editor wants. Thanks. RogerYg ( talk) 10:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi User:Jonathan Deamer, I only want to replace Vegan with Vegetarian, to comply with WP:BLP. I don't have an issue with any other content for now. I was going to add Vegetarian with New Yorker reference, just before your revert. Thanks. RogerYg ( talk) 10:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Ah I see, thanks for explaining RE: other content (ie. American Samoan)! And for the helpful New Yorker link.

Which bit of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons specifically do you think this doesn't comply with? I don't think stating someone is vegan is contentious, especially when supported by an RS like NY Times.

To ensure NPOV, how about something like the following for the first couple of sentences of the personal life section?

Gabbard is an American Samoan from Hawaii. She is a surfer, and has been described variously as a vegan ^[1] and vegetarian ^[2]. Jonathan Deamer ( talk) 10:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Reliability of news outlets does not extend to analysis of news, per Wikipedia:NEWSORG. TFD ( talk) 03:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

New Yorker: "She is also a vegetarian and a practicing Hindu—the first Hindu ever elected to Congress—as well as a lifelong surfer and an accomplished athlete." ^[3]

When I read through the cited links here on the talk page and I google "Tulsi Gabbard vegan", they all seem to fall under the same situation. The article labels her a vegan, but her actual quoted interview she calls herself vegetarian. She doesn't seem to refer to herself as a vegan. She just says she doesn't eat animals. Which might mean she drinks milk or uses leather. I suppose it doesn't really matter because we juts report what these sources say. However, I wouldn't mind if we stripped vegan from the lead. Eruditess ( talk) 04:02, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Agree with that. We need to replace Vegan with Vegetarian as per WP:BLP and WP:RS RogerYg ( talk) 06:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Eruditess I couldn't find "vegan" in the lead, but if it's there I think it's fair to remove and keep coverage to the personal life section (especially given due weight, below).

@ RogerYg Rather than replace, I suggest as per Wikipedia:Verifiability we include both: "If reliable sources disagree with each other, then maintain a neutral point of view and present what the various sources say, giving each side its due weight." On the basis of due weight, further to my suggestion above, perhaps something like "Gabbard is vegetarian, and also reported as being vegan." Jonathan Deamer ( talk) 07:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Okay, agree with the broad consensus, noting that as per WP:BLP self-reported info is Vegetarian, which should get priority, but we can mention Vegan too. RogerYg ( talk) 07:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

 Done RogerYg ( talk) 07:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the helpful discussion and the resulting edit! Jonathan Deamer ( talk) 07:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I am happy with consensus, I suppose if the interviewer asked Gabbard if she was a vegan, and she responds without correcting them, then its probably accurate by omission. If that is such a thing. Eruditess ( talk) 00:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Regarding the revision of of 19:52, 2 March 2024, raising the issue as to whether Gabbard's mother was a practicing Hindu and if this was the reason for naming her daughter Tulsi, this story in Times of India states

She [Tulsi] inherited her interest in Hinduism from her parents, particularly her mother ...

supporting the claim that the mother gave her children Hindu names based on her own interest in the Hindu religion. Was the mother actually practicing Hindu from the date of birth of her first child? While giving her children Hindu names might suggest that, such a claim was not actually made. Fabrickator ( talk) 07:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

AGREE that it is relevant to mention her mother became interested in Hinduism and gave Hindu names to her children. And, it's supported by TOI & Indo-american sources, and broadly supported by New Yorker

NewYorker: Tulsi Gabbard’s name reflects the family’s pre-existing spiritual commitments. RogerYg ( talk) 10:20, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Also, Gabbard's mother becoming a practising Hindu is supported by multiple sources

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/20929142/the-gabbards-raising-hawaiis-next-political-star-5pm

https://www.pacificedgemagazine.com/leadership/who-is-tulsi-gabbard/ These were arbitrarily deleted without any discussion and need to be restored, though some details may be moved to "Personal Life" section. RogerYg ( talk) 02:40, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

 Done RogerYg ( talk) 02:46, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

@ RogerYg: Thanks so much for picking up on this. I had actually had the talk page edits sitting in my browser cache since March 4 (obviously I got distracted and just never got back to it). And it's really great to have the issue resolved, with somebody else picking up the detail work! Fabrickator ( talk) 05:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply