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How big is this metro area? One part of this article says that it includes parts of some counties (Skamania for one) and another part of this article says it includes all of those counties.
I added up the areas of all the counties and came up with 6719 square miles total- way more than the 400-600 square miles quoted. —Preceding
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The result of the move request was: page not moved. Portland, Oregon is the primary topic based on population, and two dabs do not require a dab page. Hatnotes seem sufficient to resolve the issue.
Miniapolis 14:58, 13 April 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose - per
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Oregon/WA one has a pop of 2,226,009, Maine's is 514,098, or not even 1/4 of the size.
Aboutmovies (
talk) 06:20, 27 March 2013 (UTC)reply
While there are many claimants to the name Portland, we are not talking about Portland here but instead Portland metropolitan area, and besides the two metro areas mentioned above, how many are there? And more importantly, are any even notable, let alone notable enough to come within the debate as to primary?
Aboutmovies (
talk) 05:29, 3 April 2013 (UTC)reply
Support per nom and to make naming of these more consistent. One issue with many names is that all too often the names used are not intuitive or informative for a good number of readers. The proposed change is a move in a good direction. This will not help readers who don't know what Oregon or Maine are, but it will help many others.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 22:09, 5 April 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose. So far as I can tell this is a
WP:TWODABS situation between this article and
Portland, Maine metropolitan area. I don't know that the Oregon article is necessarily primary, but I'm not seeing convincing evidence that it's not.--
Cúchullaint/
c 22:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)reply
Again, I'd have to see some evidence that this article isn't the primary "Portland metropolitan area" to support creating a
two-entry dab page. If more people are looking for the Oregon metro, it should stay put; readers looking for Maine can already get there in as few clicks as they could with a dab page.--
Cúchullaint/
c 19:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)reply
To my recollection, of all major cities of the United States, Portland, Oregon and and Portland, Maine are the two most commonly confused. Perhaps Portland, Maine is no longer of any import, but I suspect New Englanders would disagree.
Buaidh 19:51, 10 April 2013 (UTC)reply
I mean, I'd need to see evidence (page view stats, search engine results, source comparisons, etc) that the Oregon metro isn't more prominent to support a move. The page view stats are confused due to recent moves, but they seem to suggest the Oregon article is more viewed; it's certainly the much bigger of the two and I suspect more nationally known. Folks looking for the Maine article can get there in as few clicks through a hatnote as they can through a dab page; if the Oregon article is actually primary, all a dab page would do is add another step for more readers without reducing steps for anyone.--
Cúchullaint/
c 20:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)reply
Buaidh, since you've posted notes about this discussion to various Maine talk pages
[1][2][3] may I ask that you extend the same courtesy to Oregon editors, considering that this is actually an Oregon article?--
Cúchullaint/
c 15:05, 11 April 2013 (UTC)reply
This is an Oregon article that may create confusion for users seeking the other famous Portland. I have no skin in this game. I don't live within a thousand kilometers of either city. I just don't feel civic boosterism should be allowed to confuse users. Yours aye,
Buaidh 16:22, 11 April 2013 (UTC)reply
If you have no skin in the game I don't know why you wouldn't bring this up with all affected users, especially those who may have something to say about the article you're trying to move.--
Cúchullaint/
c 16:58, 11 April 2013 (UTC)reply
Never mind, I went ahead and did it.--
Cúchullaint/
c 17:07, 11 April 2013 (UTC)reply
Support. Makes sense to me, for the sake of consistency and because there are many places named Portland. --
Another Believer(
Talk) 17:04, 11 April 2013 (UTC)reply
Clarification: The preferred article title for metropolitan areas is the article title of the principal city with the lower-case words " metropolitan area" appended. Please see the
List of metropolitan areas of the United States. Yours aye,
Buaidh 18:16, 11 April 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment: the proposed title misses the closing comma after the state – like "Portland, Oregon, metropolitan area" – per
WP:Basic copyediting, section Punctuation.
HandsomeFella (
talk) 22:36, 11 April 2013 (UTC)reply
Does not apply. If you are writing a sentence, Portland, Oregon, one of the largest metropolitan areas, a comma is needed. Portland, Oregon metropolitan area does not.
Apteva (
talk) 03:14, 13 April 2013 (UTC)reply
That is against the naming convention. TBrandley 03:20, 13 April 2013 (UTC)reply
Support There are numerous communities and terms named Portland, aside from
Portland, Maine. The population here is not relevant, but rather which is the common name regardless of size. TBrandley 03:20, 13 April 2013 (UTC)reply
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Erroneous redirect of Portland-Vancouver-Salem CSA to Portland Metropolitan Area
This article focuses on the Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area).
The Portland-Vancouver-Salem, OR-WA CSA (Combined Statistical Area) is a different entity. It includes the Salem, OR MSA; the Albany, OR MSA; the Corvallis, OR MSA; and the Longview, WA MSA in addition to Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro. Go here and scroll down to number 18 to see
Combined_statistical_area.
But the link to P-V-S CSA redirects here, which clearly is an error and obstructs information about the actual CSA.
I don't know how to undo a redirect, or if there was a correct separate article on the Portland-Vancouver-Salem, OR-WA CSA that would be restored if I undid that redirect, or if I should create a stub for that, or what.
It also looks like this is not a much watched page and as if this comment is likely to go into the ether, which is kind of discouraging.
There are two Portland metropolitan areas, one in Oregon and the other in Maine. Naming the article about the one in Oregon Portland metropolitan area would mostly generate confusion from the Oregon one and the Maine one.
Here’s an example of possible confusion: If a user from Portland Maine looked at the title of this article, that user would totally get confused with the Portland metro area from Maine and the Portland metro area from Oregon.
That’s why the article should be renamed to Portland metropolitan area, Oregon, to avoid the possible confusion I explained between the Portland metropolitan area in Maine with the MSA in Oregon. The disambiguation page should also be moved from Portland metropolitan area (disambiguation) to Portland metropolitan area.
Metric Supporter 89 (
talk) 03:10, 16 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose: The confusion is easily avoided by noticing the hatnote (at the top of the article):
This article is about the metropolitan area in Oregon and Washington. For the metropolitan area in Maine, see
Portland metropolitan area, Maine.
And there are more than two Portlands in the U.S. Instead, there are at least twenty though most of those do not have notable metropolitan areas.
Also, note that this issue was raised seven years ago and failed to garner sufficient support. Looking at the reasoning given (
above), I don't see that anything has changed. —
EncMstr (
talk) 05:55, 16 March 2020 (UTC)reply
I know that the City of Portland is in Oregon. However, the metro area includes part of southwest WA. The title of this wiki indicates to me an article on just the Oregon side of the metro area (Portland, Gresham, Beaverton, etc., but NOT Vancouver, Longview, etc). Maybe it should be renamed to "Portland metropolitan area, Oregon/Washington"?
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