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In the history part, someone put that pheonix was "EVEN" smaller than Kansas City, MO in 1950. This is offensive to someone living there, saying that Kansas City is not a big or important city, when it is one of the largest in the united states, and one of it's most important. I removed "even" from the paragraph for that very reason.
If someone has an image of the official city seal, that is needed for the InfoBox. Dr. Cash 22:19, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Both this page and the Philadelpia page claim their respective cities to be the 5th largest city. The Philadelphia page says:
In light of this information, I think the Phoenix page should be changed, but I'm not sure what others think... Ratiocinate 18:24, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
I think the probelem we're facing is that based on the population and growth estimates from the census, Phoenix has probably surpassed Philly in population as of this moment (November 2005). But unfortunately, there won't be official 2005 estimates for a while. So do we A: report the most recent (but perhaps obsolete) data, or B: report speculative data? I would vote for reporting only information for which we have proof, but perhaps we could note that the rankings are likely to change (or perhaps that Phoenix is "tied for 5th" with Philly. Nick 02:05, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
The City of Phoenix already cites Phoenix as being the 5th largest city. Click here. This seems to be a reliable enough source to make the change, since it is a government website.
I think that the high cost of housing in neighboring California could force a population migration into Arizona. Currently, Phoenix offers some of the most inexpensive housing in the nation and is growing culturally. It certainly has much to offer a person that would like to own their own home. -- Anon User: 67.118.191.149 June 19 2004
An entry for Troublechild as a famous Phoenician was added today. I've never heard of this entity and I don't find anything on Google. Rather than revert, I thought I'd ask, just in case. Catbar (Brian Rock) 01:42, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Troublechild was clearly a vandal entry, as a google search pointed out. I removed it. Combuchan 23:19, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I realize that you people last talked about Troublechild over a year ago, and that you have moved on and probably don't care, but I think it necessary to point out that I did a Google search of "Troublechild in Phoenix", and on more than one result page, I am given information that Troublechild is a rapper from Phoenix. So it was not a vandal entry after all. I found Trouble child here: http://listofnotableresidentsofphoenix.quickseek.com/, as the last name under "Entertainment". Walkinglikeahuricane 11:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd really like to see a cite for this assertion:
>>>projected to become the third largest U.S. city by 2020.
I find it very difficult to believe that a city with only 1.321 million people will surpass the population of Chicago (2.896 million people in 2000) in the space of only 20 years. That would mean 1.575 million people would need to move to Phoenix in the space of 20 years - more than doubling the population of the city (that is, if Chicago's population remained stagnant. While Chicago isn't known for its recent population spurts, it's unlikely- with the current popularity of urban renewal and living- to lose enough people to make this Phoenix assertion any more likely). Considering that Phoenix is hemmed in by suburbs, limiting its potential for growth, and that such a level of population growth is pretty much unheard of even for the Sunbelt, I'd really like to see a cite on this alleged fact. If the fact is supposedly for the metro area, that would mean that Phoenix would somehow need to become more populous than the San Francisco Bay Area by 2020 - extraordinarily unlikely.
I've seen so many wacky "facts" lately - I almost wish Wikipedia required footnotes. User: Moncrief
Although Phoenix is now the 5th larest city, its highly unlikely it will pass Houston. Houston has been quoted "The Fastest Growing City in America" and it is predicted that it will pass Chicago and claim the number 3 spot in the Top 10 Largest Cities in America in 2010 Census. It has now a little over 2 million people, and at this rate, Phoen will not be able to pass in at least...never. I don't think Chicago will have its arms crossed either on this one.
I live in Phoenix, but am currently in Houston on a business trip. Houston is hot, and humid. Blech! There is nothing worse than humidity, something Phoenix is famous for not having. Whatever the case, expect Phoenix to easily take out Houston in the list.
Houston being the fastest growing city is an old designation. APlease see the Wikipedia page for Houston, and the comments there.
Most of this info about population is largely speculation (e.g. saying that Phoenix will move past Chicago by 2020, or other statements), and as such, really don't belong in an encyclopedia. The only thing we should really be offering are the actual details of the population size and makeup; where the city currently stands in relation to other cities. It is perhaps among the fastest growing cities in the US, but it is not "the fastest", which I believe there's a lot of speculation there, too (Las Vegas, Houston?). Dr. Cash 22:06, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Phoenix was declared the second fastest growing city in the US, just behind Las Vegas, and they will stop growing very soon.
Although I respect the position of Navajo and Western Apache, I just added the O'odham name and put it right after the name.
This is for a number of reasons.
1) The city is still known to the tens of thousands of native O'odham speakers as Skikik. Many of these speakers live in or near the city. 2) The name has a strong historical significance, due to the prevalent idea that Phoenix was once a Hohokam settlement. While it is unknown whether or not the O'odham are descended from or otherwise related to the Hohokam, the O'odham themselves claim that they are the descendants of the Hohokam (o'odham "Huhu:gam"), a claim not echoed by any other group. 3) Whether or not the Hohokam are the ancestors of the O'Odham people, the O'Odham people (specifically the Tohono O'odham [ex papago]) have a history of settlements in Phoenix and the surrounding area (much of the surrounding area is inhabited by Pimas, who are a subdivision of the O'Odham) since it was first visited by Mexicans. 4) "Skikik" is the only O'Odham placename without an obvious origin or meaning. All other O'Odham names have meaning, or are loans from other languages. For example: "s-vasai vesoni" refers to Scottsdale, it means "soggy grass/hay"; "cuk son" refers to Tucson, it means "black base", "mo:mli" refers to Mesa, it means "mormons" (a loanword from English), "nowa:l" refers to Nogales, it is a loan from the Spanish name, etc, while "Skikik" has no other meaning than "Phoenix", and is not a loan (like the name for Nogales or for Sonora). 5) Given 4), it emphasises the strong ties of the O'odham people to Phoenix, stronger than even to Tucson or Baboquivari (O'odham Vav Kivalik, meaning "navel of the world").
Node 07:10, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
I just completed somewhat of a major reorganization of this article. First, the infobox at the top has been redesigned somewhat. The old infobox just didn't look right, with the skyline picture at the top, separated by the infobox below. I have now joined these two and included the pic with the infobox, which looks a bit neater. Furthermore, on some browsers, the picture was so separated from the infobox that the text of the first paragraph came between the two, which just looked bad.
The different parts of the article have been organized in a slightly different fashion, following guidelines from other articles; mainly the Featured Articles of Louisville, Kentucky, Seattle, Washington, and San Jose, California. The sections are now:
Dr. Cash 22:18, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
"The area's adult contemporary station KESZ (FM) 99.9 has been known to play Christmas music during the holidays, as has classical station KBAQ (FM) 89.5." ? WTF? is this necessary? sorry,no offense intended,this just seems silly.
I removed two external links under the Places of Intrest list for Child's Play, and Valley Youth Theater I don't think youth theaters are that important but if anyone dissagrees they can add it back in as an internal wiki. Deathawk 21:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
This guy obviously got fired from a job in Phoenix for drinking on the job. A Hazard? Please tell me no one takes this seriously.
While this is mainly just my opinion, and so I can understand that it does not seem to belong on the main page, as someone that lives in Phoenix as a result of a court allowed move away of my kids, I think that we really should place some sort of HAZARD warning on the main page of the Phoenix entry. Phoenix is just about the worst city to live in. Boring. Few arts. Rotten schools. Non-diverse population. Chain restaurants. Chain stores. No interesting local stores or restaurants. VERY MONEY DRIVEN. WAY TOO HOT. (It is a dry heave). Very few jobs in interesting fields. Terrible place for most engineers in that there are few jobs and they are far, very far away.
If you are wealthy and can afford the A/C and can afford a Hummer and can afford to eat at the top top restaurants and can afford to fly away for you winter and summer and spring vacation, then Phoenix is the town for you.
Life here is possible only because of the nation's largest nuclear power plant located 30 miles outside of town.
Hurricane Katrina revealed that Phoenix has very limited options for evacuation. The main freeways will not be able to handle the traffic.
Rates only behind Australia for skin cancer.
I am not a troll or a spammer -- I am sincere in my beliefs -- I didn't post this on the main page, but I do think a PSA warning is required for this "town" -- User:71.39.78.68 24 December, 2005
Too hot? yes.
Money driven? Not nearly as much as, say, New York City (or any large city).
Nothing cultural? I've taken field trips that drove 5 hours (one way) just to see some of the culture in Phoenix. The Heard Museum and the Science Museum are both fabulous for kids.
Boring? Besides the above, you have major and minor league sports teams (I highly recommend you check out a minor-league baseball game- it's much more fun than major league and tickets are dirt cheap. The kids'll love it, even if they don't like sports, which I don't). They even have a *hockey* team.
Non-diverse population? Only if your only definition of "diverse" is "large black population" (which there doesn't seem to be). Because it's one of the fastest growing cities in the country, it has people from all sorts of backgrounds, plus a very large hispanic and significant Native American population.
No Jobs? A thirty second google showed 30 new *engineering* jobs posted on a single job site just today. In addition, Honeywell's main HQ is there, Boeing has a plant, GE, Motorola, and more.
As for limited options for evacuation- well, I don't think there is a single major american city that wouldn't fall victim to this criticism. Heck- you can't drive in or out of NYC even when there isn't a natural disaster.
And why the heck would you want to fly away for your winter vacation when everybody else is flying *into* PHX for that time of year.
Will I ever live in Phoenix? Probably not (as I already admitted, it's too hot)- but it's not nearly as bad as this person wants to think. -- User:128.187.0.164 9 March, 2006
I added the cleanup tag to bring attention to some sections of the article that need copy-editing, organization and wikification. Great article!!! Adhall 08:04, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
There are a lot of nice pics on this page, but some of them were unnecessary. There were four pics of downtown, and we simply don't need that many. Also, sunrise and sunsets are nice, but also not necessary. The upside down cactus pic is cool, but it might be next on the chopping block.
Also, portions of this article have a travel guide feel to it, and that is not appropriate (see What wikipedia is not). The neighborhood sections need some updating and facutal info, or they might just have to go. This article is much longer than it should be (articles should be <32K), so we should be trimming the fat at this point. - Nick talk 03:51, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
The Phil Gordon link in the box is broken, as it links to the wrong Phil Gordon. Simon12 13:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I've never heard of such a thing (see page history for the paragraph I deleted), and even if it did exist, I highly doubt it will go 370mph. - Nick talk 01:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
There has been a change on one of the radio stations in the AM, KPHX 1480 is no longer All Comedy Radio is some other type Skindrafter
Is there a history or reason behind the name? Please mention the etymology, thank you.
~JBP~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.184.14.79 ( talk) 23:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the given four reasons for the small size of the Phoenix downtown, I'm inclined to believe there is a fifth reason: the proximity of Sky Harbor International Airport. I'd have to do much research into how much of a factor the airport is in the size of downtown buildings, but it seems that from what reading I've done that it does play a sizable role in keeping the buildings downtown short. Panchitaville 03:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
______________________ I was the person that created the section about Phoenix's downtown and why it is so small. Although superficially it seems obvious to consider the presence of the nearby airport for Phoenix's paltry skyline, upon closer inspection of the specific building height limitations, the airport is not the culprit at all. The FAA, because of the envelope necessary for emergency aircraft departures to the west, has a sliding height limit. Imagine, if you will, a sloping plane that rises as you move west, away from the runways. This height limitation is about 450 feet above ground level on the east side of downtown, about 550 feet along Central Avenue (which bisects the middle of downtown Phoenix), and rises to about 650 feet on the west side of downtown.
Then you must consider that Phoenix only has two buildings over 400 feet in the entire city, and both were built over thirty years ago. Clearly, if there was that much demand for skyscrapers in Phoenix, we'd have a plethora of tall buildings pushing the 500 to 550-foot barrier downtown along Central, with developers clamoring for more. See Vancouver and San Diego especially as good examples of what cities look like when they have a 500 foot height limit. We have not had that type of demand until very recently.
Could you make the argument that the height limit affects taller skyscrapers over 500 feet? Sure - the city will not even entertain any proposal that violates the FAA-protected airspace downtown. But, further north, the FAA's limitation falls away. Just recently, we had twin 685-foot towers proposed at Thomas and Central, which is a few miles north of downtown. So, even this argument is somewhat flawed.
The airport is a red herring. The real culprits are those I outlined in my article - the lack of local big headquarters operations, the late arrival of Phoenix to big city leagues when sprawl in America is king, the tiny nature of the city before World War II, and so on. As for the heat being a factor, look at all of the massive skyscrapers being built in Dubai, which is just as hot as Phoenix. No, that's not the problem either.
--Donald M. Burns,_______________________
Actually, the lack of tall buildings stems from a well-known local law limiting the height of buildings in most areas except under either special permit, or in areas where lobbying have been effective in removing the restriction. Buildings in the Downtown Core (inside the innerloop) are also limited directly by the FAA, as they are in and near the flight-paths of jetliners approaching and departing PHX. If I recall correctly, the law was put on the books years ago to prevent 'urbanization', during the anti-urbanization movements of mid-20th century. I would have to do additonal research to point the exact law, but it is well known, and was recently cited during the fight over the attempt to build a Trump Tower in the Camelback District. Cascadia 19:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Thats called ZONING. Building heights are restricted in the Camelback Corridor because the area is largely residential. For structures along Central Avenue North of Roosevelt, FAA restrictions fall away and building height is practically unlimited.
If anybody's interested, I've proposed a WikiProject for the state of Arizona. You can check it out at Wikipedia:Wikiproject/List of proposed projects#Arizona. ONEder Boy 04:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I see that much of the information on the neighborhoods are actually about suburbs and not the city of Phoenix itself...perhaps this area needs to be radically revised.-- Msr69er 09:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.167.217.162 ( talk) 02:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
I added a merge tag at the beginning of the section to alert other users. I may make the edits myself if I find the time within the next 2-3 weeks.-- Msr69er 19:46, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
KXXT as an Air America station was just starting to be profitable when republicans decided to buy out the station to put another Christian Radio station on the air in a market that already had 7 such stations.
The former staff of KXXT, led mainly by morning host Dr. Mike Newcomb, led an Internet pledge drive to get AAR back on the air; national AAR founder Sheldon Drobny also made a substantial investment; a lease was signed on 1480 KPHX (formerly All-Comedy Radio and "Music of Your Life" formats). Their first day on the air was April 3.-- Msr69er 19:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Not everthing on a .gov is true, or a great source. A city engages in advertising too. "Tempe boasts a vibrant economy, liveable neighborhoods, and the Valley's most dynamic downtown." As a resident of Tempe I agree with that statement, but I also recognize that it is an opinion - none of it a verifiable fact. This article could use a cleanup.
I've noticed that the two killers here in Phoenix, both the Baseline Killer and the Serial Shooter, have been getting some coverage on some of the major news networks. Shouldn't there be some sort of mention in the article about them? ONEder Boy 03:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Speaking between strictly city limits that is correct. I believe some kind of personal note could be added there. The largest Metropolitan Capital Area would be Atlanta Boston at roughly 5.5 million
7.4 million.--
Loodog 04:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Since when does Boston even come close to 7.4 million? Sources are good.
I've added a cleanup notice to the media section of this article. I found the listing of radio stations to be very ineffective and difficult to read. I cleaned it up somewhat (removing most of the stations, since they're listed on List of radio stations in Arizona) but it still isn't great. I think it's a fair bit easier to read now, but hopefully a more experienced wikipedian will come along and make it better. 70.162.15.97 23:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
As "Nick" as brought up, this article is simply far too long. It's 67kb, which is more than twice the recommended length. This length is recommended for reasons of usefulness; people simply won't read when that much information is thrown at them. A few suggestions on things to trim:
Phoenix has six neighborhoods:
I, hereby, recommend that another category would be created:
Northeast - Paradise_Valley - Shea Boulevard
Thank You.
Also-6 neighborhoods??? By what official count is this measured??? I can think of 10 neighborhood names right off of the bat just in Central phoenix alone, and yes, paradise valley should have been included immediately. But you have Encanto, the Biltmore, North Central Corridor, Camelback Corridor, Arcadia, Sunny Slope, Moon Valley, Midtown-Business district (north of 202/i-10, south of Indian School on central, Downtown doesn't start until the presidential streets...)Maryvale, and Alhambra.
-Thanks hopiakuta ; [[ <nowiki> </nowiki> { [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] } ;]] 04:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
The city has 15 official Urban Villages. Any references or sub-pages should be limited to these official villages. Within those pages, we can then go into detail about any neighborhoods (Sunnyslope, Arcadia, etc). Cascadia 18:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Cascadia's assessment. I don't know if you're going to find an authoritative list, however, given that Phoenix's officially designated neighborhoods (Roosevelt, Garfield, Evans-Churchill, Willo etc) are both numerous and discontiguous. The neighborhood association, for example, has different ideas of where Arcadia is compared with all the commercial property owners who tacked Arcadia onto their establishment or the folks in the vicinity of 44th and Camelback who would think they live in Arcadia as well.
To this end, last year, I made a map showing 126 distinct neighborhoods in Phoenix, but it's not authoritative other than the fact that I as a Phoenician made it. It may help the average user identify some sites within the city however: http://emvis.net/~sean/ssp/126_neighborhoods_of_phoenix.png Should any of you be curious in seeing this thing merged into Wikipedia after a cleanup or so, please let me know. Combuchan 12:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I rewrote and reorganized the most of the History section and placed it at User:LtGen/PhoenixHistory. Please review it and make suggestions before it is placed on the main page (I will wait a few weeks before going forward). LtGen 08:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
An annon. user changed the demographic percentages as of today. User did not leave any notes or references. This article may need to be reverted.
It was getting really cluttered here, so I archived the talk page. Cascadia 02:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
There were some edits recently that took out "Phoenix natives and residents are referred to as Phoenicians." from the top of the article. Their reasons are that they've never been called that, so it must be wrong. I disagree. I, too, lived in Phoenix most of my life, and I have been called a Phoenician and I call others Phoenicians. Regardless if someone has or has not experienced being called a Phoenician, I believe it should be in the article. Any thoughts? LtGen 12:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Since this article is longer than necessary (see Wikipedia:Article length), I've starting looking for redundant or unneeded things that can be deleted or moved.
What does everyone think about removing most of the text in the sports section, and letting the "table of sports teams" serve its purpose? Most of the text is redundant with the specific sports team articles, anyway. Perhaps a brief summary of the phoenix sports scene would be better. - Nick talk 00:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree that the sections of the article, such as sports teams for example, should be brief summaries of the information. It could probably use some trimming. Cascadia TALK| HISTORY 03:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I also feel we're getting too many navigation panels at the bottom. At this point we have (in this order): Metro PHX, Phoenix Points of Pride, State of Arizona, US State Capitals, 50 Largest Cities by Population, and the All America City Award Hall of Fame. I think we should limit the nav panels to the fewest possible. Although Phoenix Points of Pride are part of Phoenix, the nav panel is better suited for the individual Points of Pride, not the Phoenix article. Cascadia TALK| HISTORY 16:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Some has changed the intro recently and I reverted it. My reasons:
For the many of us waiting for the exact moment that an official census count shows Phoenix surpassing Philadelphia, it will happen soon. This week, the census released figures that will be reflected in the official 2006 population counts that will be released in June. Phoenix is the fifth-largest city ( Phoenix news article) and Philadelphia is sixth ( Philadelphia's acknowledgment of the results). But, for those itching to change the article, let's wait until the official figures are announced. - Nick talk 07:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Unless someone can show that revenue from films made there is a significant part of the area's business, which I highly doubt, this information belongs somewhere in the entertainment/culture area. For a place like Hollywood, and maybe a few others that have significant film industries, this would belong under the "economy" heading, but not here. (Unless, of course, someone proves me wrong on this point. Been known to happen ...) + ILike2BeAnonymous 21:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I seem to be in an edit war over the monthly temperature data presented in the article. Not that it's all that big of a deal, but I want to make sure these data are accurate and up-to-date. An anonymous editor has changed the temps based on info found on USA Today, the Weather Channel and AZ Central. That is fine, as those are verifiable sources; however, they are not the official keepers of climate data. Each of those sources claim to get the data from the National Climatic Data Center, but the NCIC wants payment to access their data (so the accuracy of the websites' info cannot be verified).
I checked with the National Weather Service's website here where you can request the monthly climate summaries for each month (you must click on each month individually). Within the report, each month's official average high/low temps are listed. These temps correspond to the temps originally listed on the page (before the anonymous edits). In addition, I came across the Western Regional Climate Center (a division of NCDC), which reports the official NCDC normal temperatures here; once again, these data correspond to the original numbers listed on the page.
And so I need to avoid the 3RR and not change the temperature data again, but I ask that we use the official first-hand data listed in my references above as the source of the temperature data for Phoenix. I suspect that the numbers used by the sites mentioned by the anonymous editor are using outdated data. (Eight of the ten hottest years on record were in the past two decades; older data sets might miss this period.) - Nick talk 06:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I changed this and was reverted. Currently says:
“ | As of 2006, the
Phoenix Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) was the
13th-largest in the United States, with an estimated population of 4,039,182.
The city of Phoenix covers a large area at 515 square miles, the 10th highest area for a city in the United States. The U.S. Census estimate put the city's population at 1,475,834 people. Although not densley populated, only five other cities in the United States have a higher population. |
” |
I had it saying
“ | Phoenix had an estimated 2005 population of 1,475,834 [1], making it the sixth largest city in the United States. As of 2006, the Phoenix Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) was the 13th-largest in the United States, with an estimated population of 4,039,182. | ” |
My reasons:
“ | "The city of Phoenix covers a large area at 515 square miles, the 10th highest area for a city in the United States. The 2005 U.S. Census estimate put the city's population at 1,475,834 people.[footnote] Although Phoenix is not densely populated, only five other cities in the United States have a higher population than Phoenix, partly due to the fact that Phoenix's city-limits area is so much larger than the city-limits areas of most other major cities in the United States. | ” |
Listed as 1086 ft (33m) this is clearly an error, perhaps 331m? however further down the article "It lies at a mean elevation of 1,117 feet (340 m)" perhaps a consensus needs to be reached here, maybe some research into official figures. 81.76.85.240 10:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I know it sounds odd to "estimate" a population of about four million to specific numbers. However, the USCensus Bureau gives this specific number with its estimate, as can be seen here. Remember that Wikipedia reports information, not deciding it: if our reliable source reports something, we must go with it. Nyttend 20:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I am considering adding information on many popular public places and the most common areas to visit in Phoenix. I know all of them and know a lot about all of them. However, does anyone have any problem with this before I start? Lormos 04:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
So, the section on geographic size is ludicrous. Phoenix is 515 sq. miles. New York City is 469 sq. miles, Philadelphia is 143 sq. miles, and Miami is 57 sq. miles. These three combine to 669 sq. miles. Very incorrect. Also, why these three cities? Seems pretty random. If you used Philadelphia, Miami and Boston, it would be a true statement, however, how that that help anymore? It would suffice to say that it is extremely large. I changed it, but feel free to make further changes.
There is an error (perhaps rounding) under "Area" in that the sum of "Land" (515.126 sq mi) + "Water" (0.2 sq mi) is less than "City" (515.1 sq mi).
Watching Independent Lens right now on PBS. Why is there no mention of the rash of hate crimes Phoenix experienced after 9-11, i.e. the Frank Roque shootings? Come on, people. Come on. Really. -- Ragemanchoo ( talk) 06:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Would like to request a new article from you Phoenixians:
Media in Maricopa County is a designated market area (DMA; MSA-Metropolitan Service or Statistical Area) or media market that includes print media (newspapers and magazines) and broadcast media (radio and television) in Maricopa County, Arizona.
Can you do it? ~ WikiDon ( talk) 01:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
PS: Media in the Phoenix DMA might be another title?
With all due respect, I think the statement in the article "It is the region's primary political, cultural, economic, financial, technological, and transportation center." is perhaps giving the city a little too much credit. Unless the "region" they are specifying is only encompassed by the state of Arizona, I would say that on some of these fronts Phoenix would be secondary to Denver, and if you are including California, obviously almost the entire statement goes out the window. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.40.194 ( talk) 20:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
This site very clearly outlines that Phoenix had a peak growth rate from 1950-1960 and has continued to have very rapid growth from then on. However, it doesn't discuss the cause of the growth at all. What is the cause? Was it driven by economic opportunity? By an influx of retirees? What is driving all the growth? This is a really serious omission in the article. Cazort ( talk) 18:28, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The section about demographics is not clear. Some of the percentages do not match within the section.
ICE77 ( talk) 07:55, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I am somwhat new here so please excuse my lack of info on how to do things on this site. If you go to the City of Chicago article you will see the flag. Click on the word "flag" and it takes you to the ariticle and info about the City of Chicago flag. I was wondering if anyone has any objection to doing the same for the City of Phoenix? I have a lot of info about the flag and it was named the 4th best flag out of any city in the country. So does anyone have any issues with this and if anyone could tell me how I go about starting this it would be appreciated. Oak999 ( talk) 20:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I think you can put in the flag, but as it uses the same graphic as featured in the logo that's shown, just in different color scheme, it isn't neccissary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.155.171 ( talk) 22:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Arizona Historical Museum and Fleischer Museum are not located within the Phoenix city limts and therefore should not be listed in the article undering the 'museums' heading. This article states the museums are in the Valley, and the Valley covers Phoenix and it's suburbs. Articles for cities like Las Vegas, New York, Chicago, or San Francisco do not include suburban museums as the article is about the city proper. Whether this is right or wrong is neither here nor there, but Phoenix must be kept to the same standard. I remember some museums being added under the Las Vegas article, then being removed later because, although they were in suburban Las Vegas such as near the Strip, they were actually not in Las Vegas proper so they were removed. Only the ones in the Las Vegas city limits remained. The Phoenix article must be kept to this same standard and any museums not in Phoenix proper must not be included in the article unless a decision is made to incorporate suburban attractions into city articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 22:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
What do editors feel about possibly merging/redirecting the List of people from the Phoenix metropolitan area page into Category:People from Phoenix, Arizona? I think that this solution would be far easier to maintain, as it would be up to individual editors of biographical articles to add/delete them to/from the category, and it would reduce the vandalism we get on the list page from anonymous kiddies adding themselves and their high school friends to the page. Dr. Cash ( talk) 15:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
What does everyone think about putting together a photo collage for the infobox? (See Milwaukee and New York City for examples.) On many of the city articles that I watch, there are debates over what image to use as the infobox image. I think these collages do a good job of being descriptive and pleasing. - Nick talk 06:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that "Phoenix" should redirect to this article. When you search San Francisco, you get San Francisco, when you search Los Angeles, you get Los Angeles, when you search San Diego, you get San Diego... why is the fifth biggest city in America not considered noteworthy enough to be the main "Phoenix" article? J'onn J'onzz ( talk) 03:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
No city motto? I'm sure it has one, it must, so why isn't it here? 110.32.142.139 ( talk) 15:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the following blurb from the sports section, as it is unsourced:
I am unable to find any sources anywhere via google that MLS is expanding to the Phoenix area, and the Phoenix Rising "article" is a disambiguation page that makes no mention of an MLS team. Furthermore, this press release (from 4/10/2006) states, "Phoenix: We've had good success on the Soccer United Marketing side of our business with Mexican national team matches in Phoenix, but we do not have any plans to expand the market in the near future. Phoenix-area native Greg Vanney and Robin Fraser, who recently moved to Phoenix, are good resources when we inquire about Phoenix."
If there is talk in the future about MLS expansion to PHX, then it can be properly sourced and added, but as of right now, this is speculation. WTF ( talk) 15:56, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that there is no mention of the large volume of electronic music performances. Phoenix, AZ being number two in the U.S.A. 208.79.15.130 ( talk) 08:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
The high rate of kidnapping in Phoenix is attributed as behind popular support of Arizona's SB1070. I've added a paragraph with some quotes about Phoenix ("Kidnapping capital of the USA") and statistics. SamatJain ( talk) 09:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Undoubtedly true, but fairly trivial. I deleted [], another editor reverted []. If other editors feel strongly that it is an important fact about Phoenix that readers are likely going to be looking for, then I could understand leaving it in the article... but in the body, in the population or demographics section, not the lead. WP:Lead Section says "...The lead serves both as an introduction to the article and as a summary of its most important aspects...The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable... The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic..." I don't know that there could be a compelling reason to keep Phoenix being the largest state capital in the lead, but not in the body of the article. That really should be reversed. Jd2718 ( talk) 04:21, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
"The history of Phoenix as a city begins with Jack Swilling, an American Civil War veteran who had come west to seek wealth in the 1850s..." So... he fought the Civil War in the 1840s?! GeneCallahan ( talk) 20:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
The population for Phoenix listed is 1,445,632 as per the 2010 census. However, the official census information for 2010 is being released this month, with Arizona and Pennsylvania coming out later this week with several other states. It's not even out yet, and the source listed is an article from the Philadelphia Inquirer about population growth in Philly from 2000 to 2009, which states neither Phoenix's population, nor Philadelphia's 2010 population. It's a made-up population (and rank) citing an non-relevant source, that was created , in all likelihood, by a Philadelphia resident who prematurely claimed that it had passed Phoenix in population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.200.199.228 ( talk) 01:09, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
This is, by far, one of the worst written entries on Wikipedia. I was going to start corrected some of the issues, but I really don't have the time. Hopefully, whoever reads this has some time to sit down and fix the page.
Note: This is not my comment. This statement was removed from the top of the templates to this space on the talk page, and the <big> tag was removed. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 13:43, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Is this really true? I have not carefully reviewed the article, but lived there 25+ years, and don't want to hear this. Do I need to spend clean up time here??? -- I B d Shank ( Talk Talk) 14:36, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Undoubtedly true, but fairly trivial. I deleted [], another editor reverted []. If other editors feel strongly that it is an important fact about Phoenix that readers are likely going to be looking for, then I could understand leaving it in the article... but in the body, in the population or demographics section, not the lead. WP:Lead Section says "...The lead serves both as an introduction to the article and as a summary of its most important aspects...The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable... The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic..." I don't know that there could be a compelling reason to keep Phoenix being the largest state capital in the lead, but not in the body of the article. That really should be reversed. Jd2718 ( talk) 04:21, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I believe I reverted it. I assumed a vandal was just nipping away at the article, since it was not moved somewhere. Your logic sounds reasonable. One could also argue that some notable/extraordinary trivia belongs in the lead. I'm really neutral on it being there or not. Maybe some articles are large enough to deserve a trivia info box(if the is such a thing? If you just nip something out, maybe leave a little hint as to your reasoning, and hopefully someone will see it and not revert. -- I B d Shank ( Talk Talk) 14:33, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't the name of this article be simply "Phoenix" rather than "Phoenix, Arizona"? Most large cities do not include the state in the title of the article. Phoenix is the sixth largest city in the US. 75.213.177.19 ( talk) 21:55, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
I fixed links to Cactus and Grapefruit Leagues in spring training and fixed back links to point to Arizona and Florida. Can not find any problem with All American Cities link. In fact there is no mention any longer to All American City in the article. Removed broken link Wildbot template. :- ) DCS 01:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
This article quotes John McCain stating that Phoenix is the number 2 kidnapping capital in the world. It's fine to quote him, but the statement is false. Until just now, the quote was sourced with an article title "McCain falsely claims Phoenix is kidnapping capital" without stating the quote is false, meaning that Wikipedia contained and was spreading falsehoods.
I consider it embarrassing that Wikipedia quoted a false statement for so long without saying it is false. We need to be better than the usually unquestioning US media. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 13:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
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Reference #41 gives info for hours of sunlight, but the link says it's for sunlight in Boise, not Phoenix. Furthermore, the hours in the citation are not consistent with those in the table on Wikipedia. What's going on here? — Will (B) 15:52, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Diego, and Dallas, are all in the top ten largest cities and none of them are referred to as city and state. So why is Phoenix (6th largest city in the U.S.) listed by city and state? I think there should be consistency and whoever has the power to change the title should do so immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superkid913 ( talk • contribs) 07:43, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Climate data in the weather box is wrong. It's showing a record high temperature of 198F and low of -24F currently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.96.197.38 ( talk) 04:19, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I'm going through the page, in an attempt to conform it to the wikiproject cities guidelines. In attempting to create the page "History of Phoenix, Arizona" per those guidelines, it keeps bringing me back to the history section on the main Phoenix, Arizona page. Any ideas on how to correct this? If so, please let me know, I'll create the page, and then populate it. Onel5969 ( talk) 13:37, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
@ Dontreadalone:, @ David J Johnson:, @ Rjensen:, and @ Hamish59:. Just wanted to thank all of you for the effort you put forth in upgrading this article and let you know I just nominated it for FA status. Onel5969 ( talk) 15:00, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I was asked to give a few comments on this FAC by Gareth Griffith-Jones, as a result of a rapid suggestion to withdraw the nomination. So here goes.
publisher
and work
are used correctly as they render differently in the references, and make sure that author name styling is consistent, e.g. Last, First or First Last, but always consistent across the whole article.These things sprang to mind immediately upon reading the article and Nikki's comments, I'm happy to conduct a more thorough para-by-para review. The Rambling Man ( talk) 11:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The Rambling Man ( talk) 13:09, 2 March 2014 (UTC)