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The reason is that if the article is to be split into time periods, the overview article should take precedence.
Rursus dixit. (
mbork3!) 07:45, 8 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Not a disambig!
It seems the article is splitup into parts, which might be a good thing, but the remains shouldn't be a disambiguation page, since the topics are very very clearly related. Instead it should be an overview, reviewing the subperiods superficially.
Rursus dixit. (
mbork3!) 07:45, 8 March 2012 (UTC)reply
I check pages listed in
Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for
orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of
Timeline of the Syrian civil war's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
From
Al-Qusayr offensive: ANNE BARNARD and HWAIDA SAAD; Anne Barnard and Hwaida Saad reported from Beirut. Hala Droubi contributed reporting from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (20 May 2013). "Hezbollah Aids Syrian Military In a Key Battle". The New York Times. {{
cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (
help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not.
AnomieBOT⚡ 15:37, 17 September 2013 (UTC)reply
Split
I've noticed much of the information from the
Syrian civil war article was relocated here by @
FutureTrillionaire:. Though a positive move towards decreasing the size of the main article, i think the correct place for summary on the war's history should be
History of the Syrian civil war, while this article should continue to serve as a disambig page for numerous timeline articles. Proposed.
Greyshark09 (
talk) 12:17, 25 September 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose - See
Timeline of the Libyan civil war. Having too many articles will only confuse readers. "Timeline" and "History" pretty much mean the same thing: information concerning the course of the war.--
FutureTrillionaire (
talk) 16:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose - I’m sorry: I don’t understand the notice above the article: “split into a new article History of the S.c.w.”. ‘Split’ means: split over two or more articles, you can’t ‘split over one article’. Mr. Greyshark09 calls this page a “summary on the war’s history”, but that is certainly not what it is meant to be. This is a sub-article of
Syrian civil war, presenting rather extensively the acts and events of that war since approximately 29 July 2011 (although even more detailed information can be found in further sub-sub-articles, as is clearly indicated). A summary of this subarticle – so a summary of the proceedings of the war since 29 July 2011 – could be written in
Syrian civil war#Insurgency and civil war, but that summary is not yet written; perhaps due to the difficultness of summarizing a war that is still going on. Perhaps though, the title ‘
Timeline of the Syrian civil war’ is wrong or confusing, because this really is not written nor meant as a ‘timeline’, it is meant as a ‘storytelling article’ of purely the acts of this war.
Corriebertus (
talk) 18:51, 5 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Requested move
The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was moved. --
BDD (
talk) 23:57, 12 December 2013 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to merge the "Events" section as detailed in the discussion
Tradediatalk 03:09, 22 March 2015 (UTC)reply
There is duplication between
Timeline of the Syrian Civil War articles on one side, and
2011 in Syria,
2012 in Syria,
2013 in Syria,
2014 in Syria, and
2015 in Syria on the other side (since all the content of "year in Syria" articles is about the war). This does not make any sense. The "year in Syria" articles should be merged into the "Timeline of the Syrian Civil War" articles and the former should be #redirected.
Tradediatalk 19:07, 25 January 2015 (UTC)reply
I do not think that there should be a merger because non war-related deaths may occur in Syria or there will be births listed on these pages in 30 years. Therefore, there should not be a merger.
Kges1901 (
talk) 11:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)reply
You have a good point. How about then merge just the "Events" section (in "year in Syria" article) and replace it with a link to "Timeline of the Syrian Civil War" article?
Tradediatalk 17:02, 27 January 2015 (UTC)reply
That could work, except for any events unrelated to it.
Jackninja5 (
talk) 10:21, 28 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Sounds like a great idea.
Kges1901 (
talk) 21:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)reply
When does this discussion end? I mean can't we just put them in now?
Jackninja5 (
talk) 01:59, 15 March 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Jackninja5: According to
Wikipedia:Merging#Step 4: Close the merger discussion and determine consensus: "During discussion, a rough consensus to proceed with the merger may emerge. If enough time (normally one week or more) has elapsed and there has been no discussion or is unanimous consent to merge, any user may close the discussion and move forward with the merger." Therefore, I will close the merger discussion with the result merge the "Events" section as detailed in the discussion.
Tradediatalk 03:09, 22 March 2015 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Proposal to Merge
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was don't merge per
WP:SNOW.
Tradediatalk 09:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)reply
This article alone has been broken up into 13 (!) separate articles by time period — for general tidyness and ease of editing and reading, I propose merging all of them into a single article (this one) delineated by copying the corresponding articles for each period.
Following this merger, I would further propose that work begin to merge the aforementioned redundant pages into this one.
I see this proposal has been open for almost two months and has not received any support. The reason is that at the beginning, there was one article, but it then kept being broken up because it was becoming too large given Wikipedia article length guidelines and because it created computer problems especially with more and more people accessing Wikipedia with their mobile. Moreover,
Course of events of the Syrian Civil War is different in nature and is not a timeline, but rather a summary. Its content used to be part of the main article (Syrian Civil War) but was spun-off into a separate article given Wikipedia article length guidelines. Concerning
2011 in Syria, notice that there is already an approved merger (see section above) to merge it (along with
2012 in Syria,
2013 in Syria,
2014 in Syria, and
2015 in Syria) into the timeline articles. We need helping hands to accomplish this merger.
According to
Wikipedia:Merging#Step 4: Close the merger discussion and determine consensus: "If there is a consensus against the merger, or, for older proposals, if there is no consensus or no discussion and you don't believe it is appropriate to merge the pages, then please remove the merge proposal tags, and, if necessary, close any discussion." Therefore, I am closing this merger discussion with the result don't merge per
WP:SNOW.
Tradediatalk 09:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Proposal to change in title!
"Timeline of the Syrian Civil War" is incorrect from a pure neutral point of view.
What we observe is a conflict with geo-political dimensions on a far away- battlefield (except for the part of israelis) on the shoulders of proxys.
in concequence the correct title should be: " Timeline of the War in Syria "
92.104.195.128 (
talk) 10:52, 6 July 2017 (UTC) cosy-chreply
Agreed A unified and comprehensive timeline article is badly needed considering how overstuffed the
main article is getting.
Charles Essie (
talk) 21:23, 13 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Proposal to merge/cut and paste section from main article to this one
The
main article is way too long and unwieldy and there is already some discussion there about overlap and doing something about cutting it down on the
Talk page over there. There is also a multitude of articles relating to this war. After spending quite a bit of time tidying up the section
Syrian Civil War: Timeline and pondering how best to accommodate this somewhere else, and considering the considerable overlap with this article and it's linked-to articles, I would like to open a discussion on how best to merge the info in this article and that section. I think that the timeline info in the other article really rightly belongs in this one - but the headings are not consistent with each other (although I did do some work on matching them up to a certain point), and I notice that the narrative in this article ends in 2016. I am thinking that if perhaps a few editors could divide up the work, relevant info from the other article could be copied into this one (with appropriate attributions, redirects, etc. included). What do people think?
Laterthanyouthink (
talk) 06:39, 1 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Since nobody has contributed or objected, I have started the process of integrating everything from the main article's timeline into this one. This may take some time and will be done sub-section by sub-section.
Laterthanyouthink (
talk) 05:23, 4 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Update. I found that most of the text in each sub-section was identical or nearly identical to the text in the main SCW (up until the Raqqa Offensive in 2016 - where this one ended), but I checked each section line by line before copying over. Apart from some minor tidying and updating or improving citations, I haven't changed anything. I'm not sure at what point all of the text was copied over, or where it started life, but anyway the histories of both pages should reveal all. I have provided an attribution note at the top of this talk and on some of my edits.
Laterthanyouthink (
talk) 04:14, 8 January 2019 (UTC)reply
This move is now complete. I have left a bolded list (not sub-headings, so they don't appear in the ToC) in the main SCW article, with links to main articles and the relevant sections in the Timeline article.
Laterthanyouthink (
talk) 06:15, 10 January 2019 (UTC)reply
A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
added some material for new updates today. --
Sm8900 (
talk) 18:46, 18 December 2019 (UTC)reply
possible material for lead
should we add any of this to the lead? just wanted to ask.
In October 2019, in response to the Turkish offensive, Russia arranged for negotiations between the Syrian government in Damascus and the Kurdish-led forces.[1][2]Mazloum Abdi, the Syrian Kurdish commander-in-chief, announced that they are ready to partner with
Vladimir Putin (Russia) and
Bashar al-Assad (Syria), stating that "We know that we would have to make painful compromises with Moscow and Bashar al-Assad if we go down the road of working with them. But if we have to choose between compromises and the genocide of our people, we will surely choose life for our people."[3]
The agreement specified some regions where the SDF agreed to the deployment of Syrian Army troops, and also areas of northeastern Syria that would be managed by the Syrian government in Damascus.[4] The deal allowed Syrian government forces to take control of security in some border areas, but the Kurdish-led administration would maintain control of local institutions.[5]
As a result of the deal, Syrian troops entered several key towns in northeastern Syria with Kurdish agreement.[6][7] Syrian troops took up position in some areas to oppose Turkish-backed fighters that were threatening Kurdish forces.[8]
Russia and Turkey made
an agreement to set up a
Second Northern Syria Buffer Zone. Syrian President Assad expressed full support for the deal, as various terms of the agreement also applied to the Syrian government.[9][10]
Erdogan said that Turkey expects to resettle about 1 million Syrian refugees in that area, and called for more funding from the EU and other organizations. This has caused the Kurds to raise some concerns about displacement of various existing populations and communities.[11][12][13][14][15]
In December 2019, the Syrian government was still attacking rebel groups in northwest Syria. [16]
thanks. --
Sm8900 (
talk) 22:33, 18 December 2019 (UTC)reply
I haven't edited this article for a very long time, and don't have time for further involvement, but will just drop this comment... Remember the article is supposed to be a
wp:timeline article (although it has already strayed far from
Wikipedia:Timeline standards), so is not supposed to contain too much detail. I did extensive work on it some time ago just to try to bring it into sync with some of the multitude of other articles on the war, but found it quite difficult to to keep up with the endless reporting on it. I have lost familiarity with current events, but just having a quick look, wondering if the Syrian Constitutional Committee section could be integrated into the timeline events above?
About the lead - it's obviously very difficult to summarise an article like this as per
WP:LEAD, but I think that what you have written above is way too detailed for the lead. One or two sentences (no citations required, so long as cited in the body) about diplomatic efforts, no quotes or details about deals, and perhaps a sentence starting As of December 2019[update]... saying whatever (diplomatic efforts continue; Russian-backed Syrian forces are attacking Kurds since the US pulled out, or whatever). And please clean up thos citations to remove bare urls, if you use them in the article. (You can use {{cite web}} or {{cite news}} templates, or at the very least use square brackets and put the title of the article after url.
WP:CHEAT has more.) Good luck!
@
Laterthanyouthink: hi. thanks very much for your ideas. that's very helpful. by the way, just a reminder, please add your signature to your comment above. thanks!! --
Sm8900 (
talk) 17:40, 19 December 2019 (UTC)reply
^https://ahvalnews.com/migrants/migrant-wave-calls-eu-turkey-deal-question-report Migrant wave calls EU-Turkey deal into question - report. Dec 17 2019 The number of migrants crossing from Turkey into Europe doubled in 2019 to 70,000, raising questions about whether the 2016 EU-Turkey migrant deal is still effective, Deutsche Welle reported, citing a confidential EU report.
"In response to Operation Peace Spring, and the US withdrawal of forces, Russia began some efforts at mediation, and arranged for negotiations and the first-ever accordance between the Syrian government in Damascus and the SDF"--
Hiveir (
talk) 21:17, 31 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Added new section for developments this month, due to what may be a whole new economic crisis for the Syrian government and for the whole country. --
Sm8900 (
talk) 16:40, 12 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Timeline grouping - third phase of the war
Section 3 is called "Third phase of the war starts: escalation (2012-2013)." However, it seems to include significant timeline from 2014 e.g. section 3.6. Should this be rearranged? Thanks. -
KaJunl (
talk) 13:12, 1 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Presumably easiest solution just changing the title of the section to "Third phase of the war starts: escalation (2012-2014)"?
BobFromBrockley (
talk) 17:54, 1 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Assessment of Syrian civil war related articles for WikiProject Crime
I am trying to reconcile this article and its numerous sub-articles with Wikipedia's
timeline guidelines, which implies this sort of article ought to be categorized as a
stand-alonelist. I have to conclude that I should
ignore the guidelines as
concensus has changed and
use some common sense to assess this timeline as an article, rather than a List. This aligns with the way other projects have assessed the article. Consequently, the article class should be B, not C, so the B-class checklist needs adding. The importance of this article to WikiProject Crime would appear to be Low because the crime banner does not appear to be on many of the sub-articles and scope of these articles better matches many other WikiProjects. -
Cameron Dewe (
talk) 03:22, 10 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Now news for two years?
This is an article on an ongoing civil war and next month will be two years since the most recent developments mentioned here…
Damián A. Fernández Beanato (
talk) 01:18, 21 June 2022 (UTC)reply
the internal conflict in syria is reaching a state of stalemate.
Sm8900 (
talk) 20:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)reply
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J7Morse (
talk) 16:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC)reply
information in the "Current status" Sub-title has errors
In one of the paragraphs, it says that Turkey mostly support YPG/YPJ. That has never been true.
1mpossible c (
talk) 08:02, 7 February 2024 (UTC)reply