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Is this actually public domain? On the flickr page, it says "This official White House photograph is being made available only for publication by news organizations and/or for personal use printing by the subject(s) of the photograph. The photograph may not be manipulated in any way and may not be used in commercial or political materials, advertisements, emails, products, promotions that in any way suggests approval or endorsement of the President, the First Family, or the White House." 24.80.227.71 ( talk) 00:37, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
As it is, seems like a personal analysis. 66.108.243.166 ( talk) 05:28, 8 May 2011 (UTC)Moi
Regarding this diff: The flickr description does say it's not supposed to be modified, but the flickr "License" specifically says that derivative works are allowed. Anyway the image is public domain, so whoever uploaded it to flickr can't restrict derivative works anyway. The referenced wapo source includes a correction stating that in fact there is no copyright issue. So Der Tzitung disobeyed the white house's request, which wasn't legal in the first place. We don't need to be making a big deal out of this nonsense here. Staecker ( talk) 10:17, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
This discusses several aspects of the photo WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:16, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Article about the photoshop with DC and Marvel:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:23, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
In relation to Audrey Tomason, the Daily Beast article says:
In your opinion, is this piece of information relevant or is it trivial?
Also another proposed revision:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:44, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
The lack of a redirect (and corresponding article) for Audrey Thomasson strikes me as problematic. The commentary on this talk page demonstrates the problem fully: discussion here revolves around Thomasson's relevance, not on her career. The discussion centers not on what has been found, but instead on whether she is worthy of inclusion in the first place. It seems everyone else in the photograph has a dedicated article, but not Thomasson. In time, I intend to start an article for Thomasson based on the feedback I receive here. Jborgzz ( talk) -- Preceding undated comment added 22:07, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
It's remarkable how different and bare this room looks compared to the sit room on The West Wing. I know it's fictional but the producers did claim that they went to great lengths to ensure accuracy.-- Shylocksboy ( talk) 02:32, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
A significant number of the men in the photograph are, or appear to be, of Irish American heritage: obviously the President and Vice President, but also Brennan, Donilon, McDonough etc. This might be worthy of comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.82.94 ( talk) 23:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
artistic use: Alfredo Jaar: May 1, 2001 http://www.kamelmennour.com/media/5732/alfredo-jaar-may-1-2011.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.232.105.227 ( talk) 13:07, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
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Please move this title to Situation Room over the existing redirect, leaving this title as a redirect to the new title. The iconic image is known as Situation Room as evidenced by the lowercase definite article in the image's source. I have corrected all back-links to the previous title, directing them to the new DAB title at Situation Room (disambiguation). I deem this an uncontroversial move. My76Strat ( talk) 19:33, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
[2] Yes writing out "(female)" is awkward, but her gender *IS* important because the Wikipedia article and its references explain that "She also gained notability as she was the only woman, other than Hillary Clinton, in the photograph." While reading the whole article makes it obvious which depicted person on the photo is associated with the "Audrey Tomason" name in the article, not writing out her gender creates two difficulties that are worse than putting the awkward note "(female)": first, I had *great* difficulty understanding who "Audrey Tomason" is looking at the photo and at the list of people in the photo: the description says "standing" and "from left to right" and if someone closely looks at the photo it's possible to identify her correctly in the first instance, but the chance of mistaken identification is quite high, and I actually misidentified her (I actually thought she was a male standing near her, only much later reading the whole article I understood my mistake). I regularly interpret English Wikipedia articles in Greek to other people, which means I read the English text and I say aloud the Greek translation as I tranlate the text on my head in real time, and I regularly make mistakes regarding the genders of people as I don't know what names are associated with which gender, I actually was reading aloud interpreting this article and I announced to the other people who were listening to me that she was a male near her, then I wondered who this young woman is and I assumed she were probably a low-ranking employee like e.g. a cleaner or a random journalist as I didn't see the list of names containing any other female than Clinton, and then I looked closer in the photo and found out the person whose shoulder is visible and with the list of names I understood my mistake and corrected myself. Because she holds an apparently high-ranking office, someone not being able to understand genders from foreign names would immediately assume she is male because males are more often associated with high government positions. So, the mistake I did could be done by other people as well, some of whom may be interpreters who read articles aloud to other people who listen. Problem is, interpreters can't know that in the next paragraphs the article specifically refers to her as a woman, so such a mistake regarding her gender could go unnoticed for some time. Of this problem regarding genders isn't only in this article, but it's a good case here, so I think we need some way to give the gender info in the encyclopedia, as the English language isn't good at giving the gender info (in Greek it's virtually impossible to refer to any person without giving out the gender info, nearly all words carry the gender information). While the inclusion of gender after names may seem awkard, allowing such gender mistakes to happen seem more of a problem to me. Cogiati ( talk) 12:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Obama and Biden await updates on bin Laden.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on May 1, 2014. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2014-05-01. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 00:08, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
I am changing the tagging of "comprised of" in the quote from the "not a quote" template to the "sic" template.
"comprised of" is obviously not a typo, but it is disputed usage and many editors find it suboptimal wording and are inclined to change it wherever they see it. I am one such editor.
Originally, there was no tagging and I believe I nearly edited the quote before I noticed it was a quote. So I attempted to add the normal tagging for such a situation in Wikipedia: the sic template with a hide=y parameter so the annotation "[sic]" does not appear to readers. Because it is obviously not a typo by someone transcribing the quote, "[sic]" is unnecessary. It also tends to anger some people.
But, ironically, I made a typo in my change, doubling a vertical bar (|) and mangled the sentence.
Evanh2008 misunderstood the botched edit and the sic template and fixed the article by removing the tagging and making the article read "comprised [of]" (brackets in original).
Diiscool misunderstood Evanh2008's misunderstanding but understood I had made a mistake and tried to revert Evanh2008's change but correct my mistake. But diiscool misunderstood where the error was and rather than remove the duplicate vertical bar, removed a different vertical bar. This unmangled the article for the reader but caused the phrase not to be hidden from grammar editors.
I therefore came across the same text again, recognized that a vertical bar was missing, and put it back. The sentence of course, was still mangled after this because the other vertical bar was still doubled.
Then came ajfweb, who did not understand the intent of the tag, or that it simply had a typo, and to fix the mangling of the sentence, just removed the tagging altogether.
Diiscool noticed this and realized some tagging is necessary, and tagged the text with the "not a typo" template, perhaps not knowing how to make the sic template work correctly. "not a typo" is not appropriate here, because the reason for letting it stand is that it's in a quote, not that it's not what it appears to be.
So this time, I'm entering the sic tag properly and testing it to make sure. In this case, the proper tagging is a sic template, indicating that whether an editor likes the phrase or not, it's from a quote and should not be fixed. It has a hide=y parameter so that nothing shows up to the reader (the reader simply sees, "comprised of", which is what the source says). It has the phrase broken into two template parameters (there's an extra vertical bar) so that a search of source for the phrase "comprised of" will not find it and waste a grammar editor's time or risk having a bot improperly change it.
Bryan Henderson (giraffedata) ( talk) 01:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
The article notes that part of the appeal of this photo is in how it pulls us as viewers into guessing/supplying just what the group is watching. Many assumed, when the picture hit the news, that Obama, Clinton and the others are watching a live video feed from bin-laden's hideout or someone just outside. But in fact, IIRC some of the people present in the pic commented that most of the time there was nothing to actually see, they were waiting for information or listening to radioed messages from people supervising the operation. It was explicitly denied that they had been able to watch most of the operation inside the house in real time.
This is clearly relevant to the picture: are there any certifed statements about what they were actually seeing (and listening to)? Just a dark screen with intermittent brief messages or some sort of continuous feed? 83.251.170.27 ( talk) 22:47, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Can someone identify the HP notebook model in front?-- Mideal ( talk) 13:53, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved per unanimous consensus, using the full Situation Room (photograph) variant — JFG talk 00:44, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
– I fail to find evidence why the photograph should continue to be the primary topic. When I currently do a google search of situation room I get usually equal or more results for White House Situation Room, where this photo was taken. I suspect the photo was made the primary topic a few years ago partially due to WP:RECENTISM. But it is now almost six years since this photo was taken, and Trump has now replaced Obama, so recent news sources have appeared to revert back to the original primary meaning. [3] Zzyzx11 ( talk) 22:47, 5 February 2017 (UTC)