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There has been confirmed 57 ukrainians killed and 169 wounded and a lot more armored vehicles 2001:14BB:692:47E9:DD19:3E9D:311E:6E94 ( talk) 20:53, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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It has been confirmed that therew 7 planes shot down and 2 helicopters 2001:14BB:69B:D67:F5E3:4A47:56C8:3CA5 ( talk) 11:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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For the attempting to restore the Russian Empire/Soviet Union, you could put a link to "Russian irredentism" 67.40.197.159 ( talk) 07:27, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Ukrainian ministry of health says 57 Ukrainians killed and 169 injured. Please put it in casualties report if it gets accepted. 173.56.20.40 ( talk) 20:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Information on Belarussian support added to the article with sourcing as of closing.
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Do we have sourcing for Belarusian support for the invasion now? 166.181.80.2 ( talk) 05:29, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Situation is still developing rapidly and is very new, let’s just wait a little bit to see Blackout8771 ( talk) 06:39, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
From what I understand, the military of Belarus is not involved. It's way too early to tell if they are or will get involved militarily Brookline Fire buff ( talk) 21:53, 24 February 2022 (UTC) |
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It is highly disturbing to see Wikipedia referring to this peace keeping mission as an invasion. A vote should be had to get a more realistic language used. 120.22.6.85 ( talk) 12:22, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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The "see also" section no longer appears to contain what was described as misinformation.
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Why is misinformation in there? It doesn't seem relavent to the article. I would just remove it but idk if I am missing something here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChicagoTaco ( talk • contribs) 12:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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There is currently only one reference section at the time of closing, issue fixed.
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The page somehow ended up with two references sections. Can the middle one be moved/removed? --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 09:20, 24 February 2022 (UTC) |
Probably needs a better source than Facebook.
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Posted by the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Can anyone confirm its reliability please? https://www.facebook.com/CinCAFU/posts/254659590162867 119.74.177.38 ( talk) 11:20, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Thanks for updating and maintaining the article! CactiStaccingCrane ( talk) 13:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC) |
Isn't this a bit biased?-- 47.33.186.77 ( talk) 05:45, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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No real source or evidence of invasion have been provided, missiles strikes are not invading. Where are the actual evidence (footage, etc) of Russian troops in Ukraine outside of Donbass? Nebakin ( talk) 06:06, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
There are cctv footages of tanks crossing the ukranian border. It's only been 15 hours since invasion, remember that. I'm sure in the coming days and weeks, videos and pictures of the invasion will start to filter out. ( JayPlaysStuff | talk to me | What I've been up to) 19:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC) There are cctv footages of tanks crossing the ukranian border. It's only been 15 hours since invasion, remember that. I'm sure in the coming days and weeks, videos and pictures of the invasion will start to filter out. ( JayPlaysStuff | talk to me | What I've been up to) 19:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC) Are we literally arguing whether the invasion has started or not? Holy shit Hen2014 ( talk) 20:31, 24 February 2022 (UTC) |
At the time of archiving, article mentions that France has condemned the invasion.
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France has condemned the invasion but I don't have edit permissions. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/feb/24/russia-invades-ukraine-declares-war-latest-news-live-updates-russian-invasion-vladimir-putin-explosions-bombing-kyiv-kharkiv BioTorus ( talk) 07:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC) |
The first section titled invasion talks more about the prelude than the second section, so maybe just tack it onto the prelude section? 2600:100F:B138:F078:40DD:C98F:6196:AFEC ( talk) 09:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Anonymous has officially declared Cyberwar on Russia. They should be added as a co-belligerent on the side of Ukraine. 86.19.183.42 ( talk) 00:41, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Under International Law an invasion requires a State to attack a hostile nation on the latter's territory. The attacks in Ukraine is, at the moment, contained in Donetsk and Luhansk, both recognized by Russia as sovereign allied republics. Since these two republics are allied to Russia the operation cannot be classified as an invasion. Acording to Russia it is only defending these allied republics against Ukrainian aggression. China has even explicitly stated the attacks are not an invasion at the moment, putting in evidence the possible wester bias in the term. As such, the use of the word invasion instead of the official term "special military operation" or just operation is pobabably inapropriate. Calling it not an invasion may also be biased, but the only official terminology currently available is "special military operation" and it is also more neutral, so this term probably should be used instead. 2804:14D:7684:8D24:F97A:A1E8:3FC:4D42 ( talk) 08:29, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
@WWGB calling people inferior based on their nationality is called "Nazism", buddy. Try thinking about that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.104.198.233 ( talk) 12:06, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Please don't assume the average reader knows anything but the most common abbreviations such as UN Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 12:49, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Change Per Ukraine: 57 killed in total to Per Ukraine: 137 killed in total as updated by BBC News. 2A02:C7F:149B:1A00:28D2:1DDD:AE10:6A00 ( talk) 23:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Change "curfew lasting from 22:00 to 7:00" to "curfew lasting from 22:00 to 07:00" Cyrobyte ( talk) 22:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Per the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs, all men aged 18-60 are prohibited from leaving Ukraine for the duration of the martial law period. Source: https://mvs.gov.ua/uk/news/shhodo-obmezen-v-peretini-kordonu-na-viyizd-z-ukrayini-okremoyu-kategorijeyu-gromadyan (in Ukrainian)
Please add this information following "died on the first day of the invasion." at the end of the February 24 subsection of the "Invasion" heading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SrikTLG ( talk • contribs) 00:31, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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This Wikisource page should be added to the page, either in External Links or in the part about Zelensky's speech to the Russian people against war.
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Can we get an update on the casualties? Per the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine: https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1497037374571917344
🔊 Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Hanna Malyar informs:
Estimated losses of the enemy as of 03:00 25.02.2022 Aircraft 7 units Helicopters 6 units Tanks - more than 30 units. BBM - 130 units.
The loss of enemy personnel is approximately (to be specified) 800 people. 2601:881:8401:27D0:B5F9:A62D:9400:AB6F ( talk) 03:30, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
This tweet is from an account that is pointed to by the official page of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. See the upper right corner of the page. https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/ Scatophaga ( talk) 04:20, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Done
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At protests section :
Pro-Ukrainian protests have occurred at several of Russia's embassies abroad, including those in Armenia,[291] Bulgaria,[292] Belgium,[293] Hungary,[294] Iceland,[295] Ireland,[296] Moldova,[297] the Netherlands,[298] Romania,[299] the United Kingdom,[300] and the United States.[301]
There's no Germany, whilst the picture depicting a protest in Berlin. Also, available source to cite: https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-russia-conflict-protests-in-berlin/g-60885890 FeliciaKrismanta ( talk) 03:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Around 4AM local time on February 25, Kyiv was rocked with two explosions. https://www.twitter.com/AFP/status/1497039378778320896
Ukrainian Interior Ministry official Anton Herashchenko relayed via Telegram that those explosions were cruise and ballistic missiles being targeted at Kyiv once more. https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1497044255864688640
Requesting these additions to the February 25th subsection of "Invasion." SrikTLG ( talk) 03:47, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Around 4AM local time on February 25, Kyiv was rocked with two explosions. https://www.twitter.com/AFP/status/1497039378778320896
Ukrainian Interior Ministry official Anton Herashchenko relayed via Telegram that those explosions were cruise and ballistic missiles being targeted at Kyiv once more. https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1497044255864688640
Requesting these additions to the February 25th subsection of "Invasion." SrikTLG ( talk) 03:47, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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I'd like to edit the Invasion section where CNN called Putin's claims baseless. I'd like to point out that this ins't only CNN, it's a consensus that Putin's claims are completely false and unfounded. Please change it to point that out. skelter ( talk) 19:40, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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There is Bosnia in Non-lethal military supporters X THE HERO x ( talk) 22:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Changing the number of tanks, armoured vehicles and helicopters destroyed as reported by the ukrainian military TheHaloVeteran2 ( talk) 00:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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In the first sentence of the first paragraph, "On 24 February 2022" should be corrected to "On the 24th of February, 2022" Bucket of Lard ( talk) 03:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Should we move the sanctions from before the invasion into the "Prelude" section and then turn the remainder of the "Sanctions" section into a "Reactions" section? This seems like the more standard organization for such a page. Thanks, Gazelle55 ( talk) 06:11, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Yes, that would be apt Abheygpt1 ( talk) 06:49, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Do we want Moscow Time = UTC+3 or Time in Ukraine = UTC+2 or a mix depending on whether we're talking about statements by Putin or actions in Ukraine? Boud ( talk) 06:47, 24 February 2022 (UTC) Having a single time zone by default, throughout the section, (with optionally another one in brackets) would make things simpler. Boud ( talk) 06:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
MOS:TIMEZONE Give priority to the place at which the event had its most significant effects; for example, if a [cr]acker in Monaco attacked a Pentagon computer in the US, use the time zone for the Pentagon, where the attack had its effect.
Putin is like the hypothetical cracker here, so Ukrainian time (UTC+2) would make sense as the default.
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Live news sources without web archives are not useful as WP:RS, because their content is volatile - after a few hours they will not show the information summarised from their content. If you think that a live source will qualify as a WP:RS, then at least archive it and include that in the reference. Boud ( talk) 06:57, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
The Polish president Andrzej Duda twitted (in Polish, below my own rather direct/word-for-word translation): "Despite the efforts of the international community, Ukraine has fallen victim of a brutal, unprovoced and unjustified Russian assault. We act together with our allies in NATO and the EU, together we will respond to the Russian brutal aggression and we will not leave Ukraine without support." Source: https://twitter.com/AndrzejDuda/status/1496713699515584512
Follow-up tweet from Duda (in Polish, below my own rather direct/word-for-word translation): "Today at 5.48 [Polish time (?)] I spoke with the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy @ZelenskyyUa. It has come to a Russian invasion of Ukraine. Its scale is most probably wide. This is an unprecedented act of rape on the norms of international law. Russia excludes itself from the international community." Source: https://twitter.com/AndrzejDuda/status/1495910765177577484
The Polish prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki twitted (in English): "We must immediately respond to Russia's criminal aggression on Ukraine. Europe and the free world has to stop Putin. Today's European Council should approve fiercest possible sanctions. Our support for Ukraine must be real." Source: https://twitter.com/MorawieckiM/status/1496721904551579649 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngfio ( talk • contribs) 08:40, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
An edit [6] by User:Orbitz_stop_st_ro increased the size of the article by about 50% while cutting out a large amount of existing content (e.g. almost all of the details in the invasion section are gone - it looks like it may have rolled back edits to the previous day.) Can you try to fix what you were apparently trying to do, User:Orbitz_stop_st_ro, or otherwise, can someone fix the article or restore the removed changes? Reyne2 ( talk) 09:24, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Why is this called Russian invasion, when Saudi invasion of Yemen is called intervention? 72.255.58.60 ( talk) 11:35, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Just a reminder that the bulk of this article should be sourced to independent reliable sources that have independently verified the information; any disputed/unconfirmed/unverified/etc. claims, of course, can use partial sources attributed inline (e.g. "Ukraine says, Russia says"). In fact, in-line attribution may be safe for anything that could be challenged. Kingsif ( talk) 12:28, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey Rauisuchian,
today the Russian military made advancements into Ukrainian territory. If the decision from Scholz was on the day before yesterday, how was his decision based on today's Russian advancement?
https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-to-stop-nord-stream-2/
The source doesn't support your conclusion, please revert your edit.
Regards, -- Da Vinci Nanjing ( talk) 11:44, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I think it should be expressed in article.
1. In 2021, the process of formation reserve military units manned by voluntary reservists has intensified. Here is the article by Alexander Golts, journalist and military columnist [1] Analyzing numerous scattered reports of regional media, he believes that it involves the formation of several full-stregth corps in each military districts, and it is unprecedented number. The exact number of reserve troops is classified. Usually, individual training of reservists takes 6 month (2-3 days a month), and only then field maneuvers of reserve military units start (as a rule in summer). However, in autumn and winter 2021, new reservists were sent for maneuvers immediately after signing contracts. Not typical rush.
2. On 18 February 2022, Putin signed the Decree on drafting of citizens who had demobbed earlier and had not signed contracts to perform reserve military service (non-reservists). The exact number of drafted non-reservists is classified. [2]
3. According Russian law, conscripts not completed a general four-month military training course should not be used in war zone. In fact, they are used. [3]
All indications are that Putin is going All-In. K8M8S8 ( talk) 14:51, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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There is no legend for Crimea, or is it considered Russian? 82.37.67.151 ( talk) 14:57, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
The map is as neutral as possible. It doesn't even specify if the territories are contested or occupied at present. Distrait cognizance ( talk) 15:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
That is odd I could have sworn when I posted it did not say occupied. Slatersteven ( talk) 16:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Why are mentions of Indonesia and India in the same paragraph? They deserve separate ones.
As for the prominence, I find it strange that a statement from the Croatian Prime Minister is so high up in the list, though it does somewhat fit there thematically to round out the European responses. I'd prefer something from Spain or Italy, as more relevant, as it seems a lot of space to give to a small nation with a strong response to the crisis. Moldova makes sense, as it's on their border, but Croatia is a bit weird to find there among the rest. Maybe it's there for how clear the condemnation is? That might make sense.
What's strange is that stuff like Spain, Italy and France were missing, but Croatia was on the list?
Similarly, calling China "Other reactions" in such a charged topic carries connotations of only two sides. Especially when "Other reactions" only contains Russia and China. English is weird that way. I mean come on, I'm sure all of English wikipedia can find reactions that aren't from the West, or Russia or China.
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WHO response, Turkey response that can be added to the condemnation list, Hungary, Bulgaria, Australia, Spain, Italy, Greece, Finland, Sweeden, Canada, there are plenty of reaction over there that could be added to the page. Why haven't they? I have to ask, because the page is locked, and I can't edit it myself. At least add more nations beyond NATO, Europe, and China. Like Japan and South Korea. Finding that wasn't hard, and we can take Italy and Spain from it, to put into the article.
Also, does anyone have any links for what India and Brazil are saying? Apart from "closely following the development of events in the region"?
As well, in the lead in to the article, it should be mentioned that the invasion started without UN approval, which is another violation of the UN charter, Chapter VII. That mention and reference should probably contain a link to other recent examples of such violations, since Russian media are still using that reference and justifications springing from those violations.
A link for possible addition to the article for a column by Masha Gessen: [10]
PS: The article keeps changing, and some of my initial concerns have been cleared up, on the US, UK, Spain, Italy and such. But some stuff is still missing.
Keep up the good work! Primemountain ( talk) 16:39, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/spain-sends-warships-black-sea-considers-sending-warplanes-2022-01-20/ -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by ExoQuest ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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I believe that Russia’s reported use of cyber attacks on Ukraine is notable enough to be included in this article, would love to hear feedback. 69.5.138.1 ( talk) 16:30, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Was it no Feb 22nd 2022 (11pm CST) that he first recognized and mobilized troops? And Feb 24th is when force started to be used. Should the date be edited to the start of mobilization? If so what time zone should we recognize the official news break so we can decide Feb 23rd or Feb 22nd to be the start? Or are we using Feb 24th as the official date due to use of force? 2600:1014:B02C:489D:D1D6:21BC:4A3A:5C7F ( talk) 18:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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On sanctions, mention the following
British prime minister Boris Johnson stated that Russian flag carrier Aeroflot was banned from flying to the United Kingdom, which affected flights from Moscow to London. This also lead to Manchester United cutting their sponsorship ties with the company. 76.82.51.127 ( talk) 17:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Minor edit suggestion: At the leader section, the President of Russia is linked, but Ukrainian President is not. Suggested page to link: President of Ukraine -- FeliciaKrismanta ( talk) 10:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:B49C:49F7:E426:DECC ( talk) 04:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC) https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/t010lw/gunfire_between_russian_and_ukrainian_forces_in/ gunfighting. They are fighting back
No, the Russo ukranian war is a protracted conflict since 2014. The past few months have been an escalation of tensions, culminating in a large scale Russian offensive. ( JayPlaysStuff | talk to me | What I've been up to) 06:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Seeing as Ukraine is putting up a good amount of resistance and taking some territory back, I think it should be called a war. Blackout8771 ( talk) 00:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Change the page name to Russian conquest of Ukraine. Banga03 ( talk) 07:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Is a detailed war map for this invasion necessary? I just made the template and module as quick as I could due to current attention, however I would have no time to populate this map as I am very busy with college and life. Mario Jump 83! 13:28, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Separate timeline article now exists at
Timeline of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Further discussion can occur there.
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If there is one thing that is learned from the Covid-19 article series, it is that there is need for a timeline of events. Is anyone quickly able to whip one up? Distrait cognizance ( talk) 14:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC) the
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The DOW opened 800 points lower than it closed yesterday. 134.167.1.1 ( talk) 14:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
What is RTS? Please minimize abbreviations. Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 21:10, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Order of battle is now linked in the infobox as of closing.
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Here is link Order of battle for the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. It will include all individual units participating. This is standard for many wiki articles on wars and conflicts, especially those in Syrian civil war, Libyan civil warm etc. -- PanNostraticism ( talk) 16:51, 24 February 2022 (UTC) |
As of closing,
Transnistria was added to the infobox as a country that was alleged to have supported Russia along with a source.
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Transninstria should be added to the nations supporting Russia. Bilikon ( talk) 16:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I am sorry. I didn't no it's only claims, I've been hearing this all day on TV. I didn't know it's propaganda/unconfirmed. Bilikon ( talk) 18:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC) |
Since I'm seeing both versions of "-ise" and "-ize" being used in this article, I'm wondering if there is a preferred spelling. Alpha Piscis Austrini ( talk) 16:55, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Per WP:COFAQ#ENGLISH, we should strive for consistency of spelling. Since this is not an American or British related article, it's up to you to choose, and hope others follow suit. Deathstar3548 ( talk) 17:08, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Can these countries be removed from the infobox please? They are all dated past the invasion and are not involved with it. Viewsridge ( talk) 16:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
This has already been done at time of closing. Section is already split up between countries and organizations.
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I propose to split this section further into sanctions by countries or/and unions. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 17:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC) |
WP:SNOW closing this.
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Maybe do more drepper research. You make it seem, like Russia hasn't been weakening their army for the last 7 years. Thats why so much US hardware has increased in volume the last 7 years. Personally thought it was gonna happen two years ago. 2600:100E:B03D:F435:42C3:89B7:6495:9196 ( talk) 17:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Since the issue of Ukraine - NATO involvement is one of Russia's justification for the escalation of conflict before the invasion, I think NATO's reaction deserves its own section.
Some articles of interest to begin with: FeliciaKrismanta ( talk) 17:40, 24 February 2022 (UTC) References |
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) is clear on this.
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Titles look more sophisticated and better for readers when words are capitalized in it. "Of" is not a word in titles that should be capitalized, but "Invasion" is. Fadedmax ( talk) 17:51, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Misunderstanding of time zones.
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Under the invasion section, it says: "At 18:20 (UTC+2) it was confirmed by Ukrainian officials that Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant had fallen under the control of the Russians." At time of posting this discussion, it is 18:09 UTC. I don't understand how Chernobyl could have fallen already if it's listed as having fallen 10+ minutes in the future. I could be completely mistaken. This could have been a typo. This could've been a lot of things, but I know it's not 18:20 UTC on Feb 24 or later. 2601:18A:C080:8530:D418:2DE2:8EE6:32AA ( talk) 18:09, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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There are multiple reports of simultaneous multiple explosions at sites across Ukraine minutes after Putin's televised speech. Keep a watch out for Time on target citations. If that is in fact the case, I don't think it's ever been done on this scale, at least not at the start of war. kencf0618 ( talk) 18:50, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
... continue to be a big issue. The UI is a mess to figure things out, so I presume people just save, and then other people edit, and now regardless of where you revert to a lot of edits are lost. Not sure if there's any better ways to manage this problem on highly edited articles? ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 18:51, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
( edit conflict)the irony:A reminder to users to try to edit in specific sections where possible, rather than editing the main article as a whole. That reduces edit conflicts. — Czello 18:54, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Change “4 tanks destroyed” under Ukrainian claims section of Casualties and losses to “15+ tanks neutralized”
Source verified Ukrainian newspaper posting citing official state release: https://twitter.com/kyivpost/status/1496856597418725376?s=21 Markwardlaw ( talk) 19:09, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
As of archiving, information is already included about US troops deploying to nearby countries.
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yeah someone add something about this https://time.com/6150266/troop-movements-ukraine-russia/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perfofficial ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 24 February 2022 (UTC) |
According to CNN ( link), Ukraine's Minister of Healthcare Viktor Lyashko has confirmed at least 57 killed and 169 injured (combatants and non-combatants). Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 20:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Moot discussion, draft is now the article
List of military engagements during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and a talk page notification of that has been posted here.
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I started a draft for the Draft:List of military engagements during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, similarly to the WW1/WW2 ones. Elijahandskip ( talk) 20:08, 24 February 2022 (UTC) Request for editing? Trying to add information about the Turkish ship hit by Russian bomb a few hours ago WikiEditorPublicGood999 ( talk) 20:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Please update, thiz s is a n extremely terrible situation. Are there any sources that have an updated loss statistic? god save ukraine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegoodguyas ( talk • contribs) 20:50, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
No sources means we can't do anything.
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There has been MUCH more armored vehicles destroyed on both sides, i know that its hard to find info on that but please do something about it, according to the ukrainians they destroyed 15 t72 tanks 2001:14BB:692:47E9:DD19:3E9D:311E:6E94 ( talk) 20:57, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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In the intro paragraph: "At about 03:00 UTC (06:00 Moscow time, UTC+3) ... Putin announced a military operation" Later, in the Invasion section: "Shortly before 04:00 Moscow Time (UTC+3) on 24 February, Putin announced ... a military operation" So, when did it happen? At 03:00 UTC or 01:00 UTC? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:148:610:2B0C:0:0:0:57 ( talk) 21:03, 24 February 2022 (UTC) |
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1496947501626454017?s=21 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasakianox ( talk • contribs) 21:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
While the invasion itself is rather new, there have bene various battles in Kharkiv, Chernobyl, Hostomel Airport, etc which I would consider worthy of their own pages even though there is scarce and developing info on them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jebiguess ( talk • contribs) 19:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
There Needs to be an article made for the Airborne landing in Hostomel at least — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noaboatx ( talk • contribs) 19:45, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Discussion would be better suited to
Template talk:Transnistria note.
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transnistria is recognized by south ossetia, abkhazia and artsakh (non recognized states), change the transnistria note thing to reflect that. EpicWikiLad ( talk) 21:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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"Aggression" changed to "advancement" at time of closing.
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That seems quite biased, change it to “invasion” instead of aggression — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanished User 2157280005 ( talk • contribs) 22:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Just so people are aware, the list article has been started and articles for three battles exist: Battle of Chernobyl, Battle of Snake Island & Battle of Antonov Airport. All three are stubs currently. Elijahandskip ( talk) 22:54, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Unclear what this proposal actually is. Hatting because "Russia Cosmonaut said the ISS could felt see" has
WP:SNOW chance of making it into the article and the info on Joe Biden sanctioning "corrupt billionaires" is already in the article.
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Just please include USA President threated the Billionaires of Russia, and Russia Cosmonaut said the ISS could felt see https://www.abendblatt.de/ratgeber/wissen/article234665831/Russland-warnt-USA-Wer-wird-ISS-vor-Absturz-bewahren.html -- 90.186.219.179 ( talk) 00:00, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Please add https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasione_russa_dell%27Ucraina_del_2022 this element to this Wikipedia. 5.91.57.224 ( talk) 02:16, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Article starts by noting that invasion began in the 24th but it began days earlier when Russia entered eastern Ukraine and simply kept going. This is not two offensives separated by time but rather all one move. Russia identifying parts of Ukraine independent does *not* make them no longer Ukraine. Invasion began the moment troops crossed the Russian boarder, not when it was announced that the troops would continue west. 69.36.65.254 ( talk) 02:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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At --Invasion-- section, there are several variations when naming the President of Ukraine.
- before 07:00 (UTC+2), President Zelenskyy
- At 16:00 (UTC+2) President Zelenskyy
- Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated that 137 Ukrainian citizens
- President Zelenskyy banned all male Ukrainian citizens
- By 01:24 (UTC+2), President Volodymyr Zelensky
- Sumy.[172] Zelenskyy's press service
Also when mentioning the name of the President of Russia, the "President" part is mostly removed. Might worth considering when deciding on the inconsistencies of the President of Ukraine's name.
Are these inconsistencies intended?
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Have Russian diplomatic staff in the western countries been placed under surveillance by the western intelligence security services? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 ( talk) 07:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC) |
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Minor edit suggestion (2): at the "protests" section, all of the countries have links toward their respective Russia-[country] relations with the exceptions of the UK and the US.
Suggested pages to link:
Russia–United Kingdom relations and
Russia–United States relations
small note: Sorry, unsure if I should reopen the last request since this one is similar in nature, but it is already closed.-- FeliciaKrismanta ( talk) 11:12, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Change dashes around "Vladimir Putin", "Kyiv" and "Volodymyr Zelenskyy" to commas. N1g7t74wk3 ( talk) 12:17, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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First line of 2nd paragraph of page: change "President of RussiaVladimir Putin" to "President of Russia Vladimir Putin" 78.19.85.80 ( talk) 12:26, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Russian forces have already began a battle in kyiv 78.145.173.180 ( talk) 07:23, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
I think we should try and confirm or deny this rumor. Sarcasticeinstein ( talk) 15:49, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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On reactions state the following:
The IOC condemned the invasion, stating that it was a violation of the Olympic Truce, which was supposed to last until March 20. The International Olympic Truce Foundation and International Olympic Truce Center later stated that it would send humanitarian aid to Ukraine. 76.82.51.127 ( talk) 17:28, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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In the "Protests" area of this page, i would like to add that Portugal also had protests and manifestations against the war in front of the russian embassy: https://expresso.pt/sociedade/manifestacao-em-lisboa-frente-a-embaixada-da-federacao-russa-queremos-armas/ Mikegdrum97 ( talk) 15:52, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Tanks up to 80 Armored cars 516 Airplanes 10 Helicopters 7 People 2800 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.255.76.147 ( talk) 14:35, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Oryx blog is making a comprehensive list of all Russian and Ukrainian losses in the war. I believe this should be added because it's hundreds times more reliable than unproven and unverifiable Ukrainian claims because it includes visual proof. Rob Lee also has a good ongoing thread as always if anyone is interested. Links:
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1496752076335947778?t=jFTpRnS3LvcXi2clboRRNg&s=19 IdkIdc12345 ( talk) 12:35, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Dont just show Ukrainian claims on casualties and kills show russian claims too all of the claims of russian side 2601:589:80:5ED0:B05F:55B9:392:B38E ( talk) 12:44, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I think we should use neither and use only visually confirmed stuff https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html IdkIdc12345 ( talk) 12:46, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
We should put that number as "Unknown Number of combatants". Toast (talk) 15:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Let's leave it out until we know for sure. Slatersteven ( talk) 16:39, 24 February 2022 (UTC) https://www.news2sea.com/yasa-jupiter-belonging-to-yasa-denizcilik-was-hit-in-odessa/ turks ship was hit not sunk. It continued its voyage after — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.157.81.28 ( talk) 20:10, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
In the section on Prelude > Russian accusations, the last paragraph is grossly biased, one-sided, and without proper citation or research. It currently reads:
Three of these 4 citations are to the New York Times and NBC. The biggest richest most consistently pro-intervention corporate news outlets in the USA, sharing their opinions on one of their country's fiercest enemies, is not actually an unbiased survey of journalistic and academic material on the subject. If we look beyond the absurdly narrow purview -- not even far, just say, elsewhere on Wikipedia itself, we can see our own website's well-sourced article on the Azov Battalion, which is described in the very first sentence of the Wikipedia introduction as "Neo-Nazi Ukrainian National Guard unit", followed by 6 citations, including numerous major American news sources themselves, who clearly did slightly more diligence than those cited in the article at hand. This is one example of something that bas been pointed out repeatedly by news and academics in the west and east. This section has to be expanded and rewritten at once or else marked NPOV. 2001:56B:3FF7:2BDF:980F:6418:E781:D50 ( talk) 14:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
In a nationalistic speech on 21 February, Putin also said that Ukrainian society had become neo-Nazi.[67][68] According to Jonathan Allen, there is no evidence for such far-right nationalism in the government, military or electorate. Ukraine's President Zelenskyy is Jewish, and three of his family members died in the Holocaust.[68]
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Should someone add another section to the reactions concerning reactions of people on social media and in formal media, as a catch all for the reactions of non-official entities that are still of cultural significance? Could also include the market as in the DOW etc. Brandonazz ( talk) 14:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Describe Dotnesk and Luhansk as breakaway regions of Ukraine in the introduction (basically change "Russia recognised the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic" to "Russia recognised the self-proclaimed *breakaway regions* or *breakaway states* of Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic") David Jiang ( talk) 20:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I heard (from an unreliable source) that Poland has opened its border with Ukraine completely, to everyone with a passport or not. Can someone look into this and add information to the page if needed? SwanX1 ( talk) 21:38, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
On the official government website of Poland it says Ukrainian nationals can enter on the basis of visa-free movement: https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina-en. The Polish version specifically mentions that the visa-free movement is allowed for owners of biometric passports (paszport biometryczny): https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina2. Those without a passport need a permit or a visa, or a consent from the Commander in Chief of the Polish Border Guard, but this seems to be limited to short stays (15 days) based on this law https://lexlege.pl/ustawa-o-cudzoziemcach/art-32/. Swetroniusz ( talk) 22:29, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Should be worth pointing out that the Slovak border is also open to those fleeing from Ukraine, including those without documentation, as seen on this official government website: https://www.minv.sk/?tlacove-spravy-2&sprava=aktualizacia-situacia-na-hranicnych-priechodoch-s-ukrajinou-hp-velke-slemence-v-prevadzke-od-piatka-od-8-hodiny. Rough translation from Slovak (via Google Translate) is "We allow entry to all people fleeing the war. After individual assessment, we will also allow entry to the territory of the Slovak Republic to persons who do not have a valid travel document" Junferno ( talk) 00:30, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
The "see also" section is very bloated. I recommend removing "Invasion of Kuwait" and the articles regarding the equipment of the armies. Nordostsüdwest ( talk) 23:20, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Before I start a big RM about this, is there a reason why the word Russian
is needed in the title? That seems like an unnecessary disambiguation, as there has been no other invasion of Ukraine in 2022. (Note:
2022 invasion of Ukraine currently redirects here.)
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I also declared war on Russia why aren't I listed as a belligerent? Majortarkin( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:01, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi
Do you have the full list? We could show the list here or create a category.-- Panam2014 ( talk) 02:13, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Some details here: What the Russia-Ukraine Crisis Means for South Asia