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I suggest this article be re-titled Puyi, as that is the name by which he is most widely known in China as well as in the west. A lot less people know him by Xuantong Emperor, as compared to Puyi. We never bothered to name Yuan Shikai the "Hongxian Emperor". Colipon+( T) 22:21, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hottentot ( talk · contribs) put this up at WP:RM to be moved to Pu Yi. Since this has been moved in the past I'm wondering what people think of this new suggestion? Talrias ( t | e | c) 02:17, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. violet/riga (t) 19:26, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Note: its hard to get an NPOV opinon on Pu Yi because of his collaberation with the japanese during the second world war.
Can we get some pinyin on this page?
"Some maintain he had homosexual tendencies." i hope this sentense can be remove from the article.. be it homosexual or bisexual
Why should it be removed? Puyi was an interesting fellow with a unique life, and it has taken a long time to get any real information about him out to the general public. If we know of a male historical figure's wives or girlfriends, those are included for the sake of completeness in any good history, so should it be mentioned if he was known to be gay. The only reason not to include mention of his love life is if the facts are utterly unsubstantiated -- and even then, the fact that such rumors exist or allegations have been made is useful to know to those trying to sort out truth from fiction, allegations from knowledge, rumor from fact, prejudice from legitimate inference.
And Pu Yi's Japanese sister-in-law once claimed that "the Emperor had an unnatural love for a pageboy. He was referred to as the male concubine."
I move to remove all mention of sexuality unless we can reference it? Please let me know your thoughts before I do so. Kunchan 09:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
There are so many ignorant people who do not know the fact that Puyi was a famous homosexual, although his brother and eunuchs declared Puyi's homosexuality clearly. 124.255.24.220 ( talk) 06:56, 1 May 2015 (UTC) HADRIANVS ET ANTINOVS
I agree with the person above in his comments that Pu Yi was known to be homosexual. It is my opinion that if all of us can refrain from being homophobic, we can be more scholarly in our approach to Pu Yi. Goldstarnunc
The user Jadetemple has just deleted information about Puyi being homosexual and put in completely uncited claims about Puyi being broken. This includes Wanrongs personal eunuch's memoir that is cited.r
Menacinghat (
talk) 23:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC
Menacinghat (
talk) 23:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
A eunuch who served in the Forbidden City as Wanrong's personal servant later wrote in his memoir that there was a rumour among the eunuchs that Puyi was gay, noting a strange situation where he was asked by Puyi to stand inside Wanrong's room while Puyi groped her. [1]
Question: There are several comments in the "literature" about Puyi's unusual physical movements: stiff arms and legs, walking as if on stilts, etc. Is there any reliable information (or even "informed" speculation) about possible physical or mental impairments? [-- unsigned]
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I'm guessing here, but his clumsiness may also be related.
47.139.45.144 ( talk) 14:43, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
What was Puyi's full title as Emperor of China?
There are several references in the article to the Qing Imperial House having, in 2004, attributed posthumous titles to several people associated with Pu Yi. I am interested in this subject and wonder whether an official remnant of the former imperial house still exists somewhere "in exile" or in some other way, and what evidence there might be for the titles having been so granted in 2004. Would love to see more about this, and if possible the article Qing Imperial House to actually be created. -- Ishel99 05:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I note that the article starts by stating that Puyi was the last emperor of China, and while this is the common belief, wasn't Yuan Shikai technically the last Emperor of China? -- Daduzi talk 09:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Yuan Shikai's reign was not legitimate, he crowned himself and most people did not recognize him as Emperor.
Puyi was also restored as emperor for a short period of time in 1917, making him the last emperor of China. KeithSNP ( talk) 23:02, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
In the article in its current reading it can be understood that he had two or five wives. Also, one of his wives is as also stated a concubine. Also, it's stated that he had two wives simultaneously. Someone with knowledge about his private life and the legal definition of marriage in China during his life should rewrite this section so that it will be clear.-- Smallchanges 18:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
The article begins by calling him "Puyi". Then it says the communists called him "Aixinjueluo Puyi". Then it suddenly calls him "Xuantong" with no explanation. Then we get a section headed 'Name', which begins "In English, he is known more simply as Puyi" but that this name contravenes Chinese tradition. However, it does not explain what the correct name would be. What's going on here? Can someone sort it out? Cop 663 14:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
There is an entire section missing from the article. What was he doing between 1924 and 1932? Macguba 09:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Why the two odd paragraphs about Tibetan leadership (third and last paragraphs of the biography section)? Frankly, I think these are irrelevant to the article. I would suggest they be deleted, but didn't want to unilaterally do something in case someone can make a real good explanation for their presence. I.e., how do they contribute to the biography of Puyi as an individual, rather than as aspects of the disintegration of the empire? If we were to include all aspects of the territorial disintegration of the Qing empire's (and the later Republican state's) sovereignty, this article would be 4 times as long.
68.190.118.77 ( talk) 03:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I have the same thought. THe third, fourth and last paragraphs under Biography Emperor of China (1908–1912) are totally irrelevant to this article. In fact, they distract. They make the article less professional as if it were a work of cut and paste. I think they should be removed and moved to one about the 13th Dalai Lama if desired. Can the original contributor please take them out? Cjchua ( talk) 02:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC)Cjchua
I've noted the same thing and agree that those 3 paragraphs should be removed as they are not directly related to Puyi. Repetition ( talk) 16:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
The article variously characterizes Li Shuxian as a "hospital janitor" and a "nurse." Her brief wiki1 says she was a "former nurse."
Which is it?
1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Shuxian
The piece of info in the Manchukuo section, that he flattered the Japanese imperial family during a visit to Tokyo and thanked Hirohito for "allowing" clear skies -- what's the source on that? Thanks. -- Prince andre ( talk) 16:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
In the first paragraph, it claims he was reigning 12 days, yet the info box says 11 days. Guy M | Talk 13:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I moved the following unsigned inline commentary from the main article page. -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 11:07, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
References
All the other pages on emperors of the Qing dynasty discuss what happened during their reign. Therefore if we want to know what happened in the 1690s, we go to Kangxi Emperor because he reigned from 1662 to 1722. But this wiki on Puyi is different: it's a biography of one man from his birth to his death. As such, it doesn't coincide with the years of his reign as Qing emperor. If a reader comes here wanting to know what happened in China in 1909, all he or she will find is the story of Puyi the man. To remedy this lack, I propose we create a page called " Xuantong reign of the Qing dynasty" (or something like that) that would cover the events that took place in China from 1908 to 1912 instead of discussing the emperor himself. What do you think? Madalibi ( talk) 10:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
It is a serious error in these articles to use modern names for the cities and towns in the periods covered in these articles as all references, atlases and maps of the time show the correct names, not those adopted by the communists. 86.137.120.79 ( talk) 11:40, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Useful insight into his later life http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-17455067 Legacypac ( talk) 10:18, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I've noticed that the list of
citations is ridiculously extensive, with more than a dozen references from the same source. Is anyone up to the task of consolidating the Reference Citations, so it would read similar to the following instead of the huge list as presently displayed? Much appreciated.
Christopher, Salem, OR (
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Suggested example of post-consolidation:
Hmm. It seems there's some automatic function of Wikipedia that I hadn't expected to be in operation here on the Talk page. That above example was intended to be text only for demonstration purposes. I had not expected it to produce cite_ref and Special:Book Sources at the bottom of this post. I apologize. Does anyone know how to turn that off so the above example won't activate the cite_ref on the Talk page?
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Shouldn't " Kāngdé" be a redirect that leads to this page? ( 66.215.84.193 ( talk) 18:53, 15 April 2018 (UTC))
This article has so many problems that I don't even know where to start so im just going to give a general summary. Details conflict with each other constantly, the article relies on two sources mainly, the POV is all over the place and certainly not neutral, and is full of extraneous and unnecessary details. SpacePrius ( talk) 00:28, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
The article is written as an essay or sprawling ramble. I may come back to it but if anyone better knows Puyi please consider a rewrite. Diaozhadelaowai ( talk) 07:53, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
The manchu writing should be moved from the lede to the second section. The lede should convey biographical information and it seems overwhelmed with naming information. The naming information should be moved to the second section. - ApexUnderground ( talk) 05:35, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
I am proposing the split of this article and the creation of Life of Puyi due to the great length of the "Biography" section. Jay Coop · Talk · Contributions 03:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
at the proposed title. This entire Wikipedia biography is quite naturally about the "life of Puyi", so a new article with that title would be entirely redundant to this one. I may support this, if the new article(s) is/are something like "early life of Puyi", or "Puyi as puppet ruler of Manchukuo", or "later life of Puyi". Such articles would just cover aspects of his life, not his entire life. Protean Self ( talk) 16:52, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
I agree the article is too long for a single article and should be split. Also, it seems to be rely on Behr too much as a source. Maybe do one article on his book covering what it stated only by him and has no other sources, and keep in the Puyi article only what has another source or is too important not to include. 47.139.45.144 ( talk) 14:52, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
According to the timeline, he was only the emperor until shortly after his sixth birthday. But the section Puyi#Emperor of China (1908–1912) talks about when he was 7, 8, and even 13. From the information there, it's confusing and sounds like he was the emperor up to the age of 13, while the rest of the article says he was removed at the age of 6 and then shortly became emperor again at the age of 12. — Naddruf ( talk ~ contribs) 17:27, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
The text seems to be biased heavily against the person in question, in manners which would get immediately deleted were this an article about a living person. Ridiculous assertions bordering on defamation relying on a single source, which is a film of all things with no link to anything of value, and numerous point of view issues. I personally suggest the article be rewritten entirely using more academic sources. Euphemios ( talk) 14:31, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
I've just corrected a cite error and in doing so found that "Aisin-Gioro, 2007" can not be verified. I'm guessing the 2007 release of the autobiography is what is meant, but there isn't enough information to be certain. It would help if it was defined correctly in the Sources section. ActivelyDisinterested ( talk) 20:43, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Behr is a non-academic, whose work has serious flaws. John Fairbank, a professor of history at Harvard who founded the East Asian Research Center, reviewed Behr's "Last Emperor" book in the New York Review of Books on February 18, 1988, and I feel like his words speak for themselves: "Mr. Behr seems careless about proofreading and/or the historical record. For example, the Hundred Days of reform did not occur in 1880, the British did not take Chinese territory at Canton in 1898, the Peking Legation Quarter was not set up in 1860, the province of Anhwei was not the Empress Dowager “Tzu-hsi’s home base,” Lord Palmerston in 1855 did not say he would have to strike “another blow for China,” he said in China, “Weihawei” [sic] was not “one of the oldest British owned Chinese colonies after Hong Kong.” Such howlers and misunderstandings indicate that Mr. Behr is not a trained historian. This is corroborated by his enthusiastic acceptance of David Bergamini’s 'Japan’s Imperial Conspiracy', which makes Emperor Hirohito the mastermind and chief operator of Japan’s implacable drive to take over half the world—a theory long since discredited. Evidently books are like people: if they exist they can be quoted." This article relies enormously on Behr's book -- possibly because, as mentioned in Fairbank's same review, it was released by Behr around the time as the Bertolucci film. If the quality of the article is to improve, Behr ought to be eliminated as a source. Lycrophon ( talk) 19:54, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Article states after his pardon he would see Wang Lianshou, and would see her after his government pardon in 1959, yet her stated date of death on her article is 3/02/46. So either that article is incorrect or this one is, along with the citation. 81.136.190.120 ( talk) 14:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
It appears an anonymous editor removed mention of Puyi's sexual orientation, describing, in their revision summary, the since-removed text as containing 'bizarre annecdotes' which would not be fitting an encyclopedic article.
Seeing as the article is a biography of a historical figure, I feel that it is appropriate for the article to mention such information. Interested in seeing others' thoughts on the removals made on 26 September. - Emil Sayahi ( talk) 02:49, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Using his milk name ist regarded as a sign of disrespect. It was done with the intent to break him mentally and spiritually. He himself had commented on how it offended his ears. As long as both his era name and his birth name are included in the article, it will be found if you search for either. Other pages have him listed under his era name, and they are found and read as well. His dying wish has been denied and he wasnt`t given an official temple name or posthumous title, as was custom for every emperor before him, the least that can be done, is to move this page to Xuantong emperor where it belongs. Jadetemple ( talk) 11:50, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
I request that his Manchu and Mongolian title be put back into the ledge, where they were listed before. There is no logical reason to cram them into two tiny footnotes at the bottom of the page, because one user found the section overwhelming to read. Jadetemple ( talk) 06:54, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
I want add back the longstanding page picture because it is in good quality + it is an official portrait in full dress. We do similar official portrait pictures on Hirohito and Elizabeth II pages.
Shadow4dark ( talk) 10:15, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
The infobox usually contains the country of birth and death of the person (e.g. J. Robert Oppenheimer born in New York City, U.S., not just New York City) unless there was no country to say of. Are there any specific reasons why this page doesn't include the countries of birth and death for Puyi ( Qing Dynasty and PRC)? Zinderboff( talk) 15:34, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
As an IP user stated above Wang Lianshou who died in 1946 allegedly met Puyi after his 1959 pardon, which obviously cannot have happened. I also cannot find the 'Pu Yi 1988' source this claim is cited from, and can find nothing by him published or translated into English in 1988- unless this claim can be substantiated with a source I would suggest removing it. TrilobiteDentistry ( talk) 09:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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I request that if possible someone add Puyi's signature to Wikimedia Commons. I do not know if this is the appropriate place to ask, but I cannot think of a better place to do so.
His signature can be found in this picture.
142.120.105.221 (
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