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On 17 March 2023, it was proposed that this article be
moved to
Neuilly. The result of
the discussion was not moved.
Bourgeois
Bourgeois does not mean "upscale." It is French for "middle-class." C'mon, folks, this is basic French 101. I recommend changing the wording of the second ¶ to something more like, "...a compendium of upscale "bourgeois" neighbourhoods..." with "bourgeois" remaining linked to the Wikipedia page for that word (albeit a page concentrating on the prejudicial marxist use of the term as an epithet).
Dick Kimball (
talk) 14:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Words like "bourgeois" and "upscale" are painfully subjective and shouldn't be used in an encyclopedic description of a geographic place. As well, the grammatically-incorrect "Neuilly is often considered as the richest city in France" is crying out for a reference. I'd be happy to do a re-write, and welcome discussion. — Preceding
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Currently,
Neuilly is a disambiguation page. But Neuilly-sur-Seine is by far the most common meaning for Neuilly. As this article says:
On 2 May 1897, the commune name officially became Neuilly-sur-Seine (meaning "Neuilly upon Seine"), in order to distinguish it from the many communes of France also called Neuilly. Most people, however, continue to refer to Neuilly-sur-Seine as simply "Neuilly"
There is nothing in the article about the World Wars. In the novel, The Lost Girls of Paris (P. 135), one of the characters states that all the inhabitants were killed, but the insecure site
http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres.html does not list the town. Can any-one provide material on what happened in this town during wartime?
Kdammers (
talk) 16:22, 17 March 2023 (UTC)reply
I just looked a the French Wikipedia article. It has content. Maybe someone more fluent in French could use those sources to add content here.
Kdammers (
talk) 16:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)reply
According to the French Wikipedia page, about 200 Jews were deported and murdered, and about 50 members of the Resistance were either killed in battle, executed, or deported. Terrible events, but there's no evidence of mass murders of the non-Jewish civilian population. Given that the population of Neuilly was about 60,000, that would have been by far the biggest massacre in France, and would be well documented. --
Macrakis (
talk) 22:22, 17 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Requested move 17 March 2023
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I brought this up for discussion on the Talk pages of
Neuilly-sur-Seine and
Neuilly two weeks ago and have had no reactions.
Macrakis (
talk) 17:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Yeah,
Neuilly-sur-Seine is the most popular/significant place with the name by a very large margin. However, it doesn't appear to be what's sought by the small number of readers who end up on the dab page
Neuilly: of the 137 views it received last month, less than 10 resulted in a clickthrough for this place
[2]. Also, there's no primary topic on the French, or any other, Wikipedia (see
Neuilly (Q13387709)). –
Uanfala (
talk) 13:31, 18 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose Numbers are misleading in this context, as this is a suburb of Paris where a lot of people live, so I presume a lot of those views are just local Paris residents looking up a nearby locality, and not an indication of general notability beyond that. That said, I would weakly support having "Neuilly" redirect to this page (with a dab note at top), but keep the article title as is.
Walrasiad (
talk) 16:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)reply
The current list clearly points to that place first, yet WikiNav doesn't show readers clicking on it the most. This doesn't quite reinforce the idea that it's more common than all other combined. Likewise, britannica.com search with query Neuilly lists it first under the full name, just like we do. Not sure if a change would actually help readers. --
Joy (
talk) 10:57, 19 March 2023 (UTC)reply
The mention at the top of the article was only added on 1 Mar
[3], before that, Neuilly-sur-Seine only appeared lower down in the table. The Wikinav data is for February. –
Uanfala (
talk) 14:34, 19 March 2023 (UTC)reply
In fact, the Wikinav data supports the notion that Neuilly-sur-Seine is the usual intent. The two biggest individual sources of views are
Emanuel Ungaro and
RAID (French police unit). In the first case, the article says "He has a daughter, Cosima Ungaro, born in
Neuilly...". Cosima was in fact born in Neuilly-sur-Seine. (
NYT, June 26, 1990). In the second, it's in reference to the Neuilly hostage crisis, which according to the article itself was in Neuilly-sur-Seine. As I say above, all the in-links I looked at seemed to intend Neuilly-sur-Seine.
It is highly unlikely that anyone is actually looking for
Neuilly, Eure, a tiny village (pop. 140). It is more likely that users are clicking on it because it is the first in the list and its full name is Neuilly, unmodified.
I'm OK with the redirect solution, though. --
Macrakis (
talk) 17:45, 19 March 2023 (UTC)reply
I still wouldn't move it until we see March statistics, because none of this is actually indicative of the existence of a primary topic as
WP:PTOPIC defines it. --
Joy (
talk) 20:33, 20 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose move ambiguating a town creates problems for everyone seeking any of the towns.
In ictu oculi (
talk) 18:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)reply
We have a standard way of dealing with that: {{About|Neuilly-sur-Seine}} → This article is about Neuilly-sur-Seine. For other uses, see Neuilly (disambiguation). --
Macrakis (
talk) 14:06, 20 March 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Post-RM comment
Per the above discussion, I've looked up WikiNav data for March. There were 40 outgoing clicks from the
Neuilly page, and all 40 went to
Neuilly-sur-Seine. I'm therefore proceeding with the primary redirect.
162 etc. (
talk) 21:29, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply