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Section on "Mid-twentieth century" needs work: a) the first paragraph needs to bring together the de Beauvoir material and the second-wave material better; b) it should mention "difference feminism" somehow - it needs to convey that the assumptions underlying second-wave feminism were different than those underlying first-wave feminism.
The "Socialism" subsection does not explain the general impact as well the other two sub-sections. It is too factoid-based.
Explanation of "feminisms", as in "multiple feminisms" in the Movements section
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To not merge, on the grounds of
WP:TOOLONG; there are at least two distinct topics (movements being distinct from ideology/philosophy); there was some support for making
Feminist movements and ideologies more list-like, to differentiate the function of the page; all agree that this is a large and important topic, the length making it difficult to reduce from 3 pages to 2; further refinement of the content is warranted.
Klbrain (
talk) 15:10, 27 February 2024 (UTC)reply
They do, but the text of each is massive and mostly not redundant. They were probably split into multiple articles (especially
Feminist movements and ideologies) for size. Merging them doesn't seem feasible. --
Aquillion (
talk) 18:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)reply
I think the movements and ideologies article is essentially a list and it could be reworked to be more listy. I can't see a rationale for keeping
Feminist movement, and I would love for those who do see it to help me understand.
Firefangledfeathers (
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contribs) 19:00, 28 September 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Aquillion and
Firefangledfeathers: I'm in favor of making a list on the one hand, and a real encyclopedic article on the other. But opposed to the separation of content. Perhaps we should consider making a synthesis by removing unsourced content?
Fourmidable (
talk) 14:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)reply
@Fourmidable I'm in favour of merging feminism and feminist movement. I had no idea that there are two separate articles and I personally don't know what the difference is. Isn't feminism itself a movement? I think that the
Feminist movements and ideologies should be kept separate as a list however. —Panamitsu(talk) 20:49, 30 September 2023 (UTC)reply
One is an ideology/philosophy, another is a political, activist and militant way of mandating how to organise society. ※
Sobreira ◣◥ 〒 @「
parlez」 20:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Reprarina, feminism is an ideology. That ideology is shared by various movements who go about it from different perspectives and policie. Hope that helps. Reading the article on
Feminist movements should show you they're not the zame. —
Python Drink (
talk) 22:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Seconding this distinction as someone with an academic background in women's studies and feminist theory, for whatever it's worth.
I also came here to say that the article need not divide the movements into "waves" as this is not historically accurate and is highly contested in scholarship.
I would expect that "Feminism" would cover the variety of feminist ideologies (Marxist feminism, lesbian feminism, etc.), whereas "Feminist movements" would cover political movements centering on feminism. There is a big distinction.
Edenaviv5 (
talk) 22:36, 16 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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In the first paragraph of the section "Sex industry", the phrase "expression and a in a woman's right to control" is wrong, possibly missing words. Should say "expression and a [missing stuff] in a woman's right ..."
In the first paragraph of "Affirming female sexual autonomy" change "readical" to "radical".
Same section, change "the right-the need!-to define" to "the right—the need!—to define" (replace hyphens with dashes)
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It seems like even with the semi protection, this article still has disuptes, and edit wars. I request you extend its protection level.
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74.15.254.221 I don't see any recent vandalism so I'm unsure why that'd be necessary —Panamitsu(talk) 02:42, 16 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Sorry I meant to say edit wars and disputes not vanadalism. But either way, I think the protection should be extended.
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See
WP:PROTECTION, it is only in policy to increase the protection of a page if there is disruptive editing (which there hasn't been recently). —Panamitsu(talk) 02:47, 16 October 2023 (UTC)reply
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Feminism is a range of socio-political movements and ideologies that aim to define and establish the political, economic, personal, and social equality of the sexes "ADD" with nuanced focus on the social and performative constructions of gender and sexuality; gender, gender expression, gender identity, sex, and sexuality are understood through social theories and political activism.[1] Y Feminism holds the position that societies prioritize "REMOVE" the male point of view and that women "ADD" patriarchal domination of all people treated unjustly in these societies.[2]Ellgie (
talk) 09:32, 18 October 2023 (UTC)reply
References
^"What Is Feminism?". Women & Gender Studies. Eastern Kentucky University. Retrieved October 18, 2023.
The suffragist movement, especially in Britain in the early part of the 20th century, was an important early element that isn't given much depth in the article. There is a published work by a noted suffragist and activist of that period:
Constance Lytton, who wrote about her time as an activist and whose words provide a much deeper and realistic account of suffragist esperiences. Please may her book be added to the list?
Lytton, Constance and Jane Warton (her pseudonym). Prisons & Prisoners: Some Personal Experiences. United Kingdom: originally published by George H. Doran Company, 1914.
It is available in recently published print form under ISBN-10:1539167534 (ISBN-13:978-1539167532), Publisher:CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform (September 30, 2016)
Your second link doesn't work, but
this one does, and it contains the full text of the book. You don't need to ask here about adding something to Further reading if it's on-topic and reliable; you can just add it yourself.
Mathglot (
talk) 01:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Relevance of the "Big Three"
The article make a point to note that feminism has the Big Three branches, consisting of liberal, radical, and Marxist feminism. But if one looks at the article, there's only a single source being cited from 1995 that seems to acknowledge the existence of this trio. No other source seems to use it. Doesn't the structure of this page privilege one person's view regarding how the feminist movement should be structured / thought of? Why the Big Three and not "Big Four"? What makes Mary Maynard's classification more important than other ones, to the point that that "Movements and ideologies" section is structured as "Liberal", "Radical", and "Materialist (Marxist)" and the "Other" variants of feminism?
PanagiotisZois (
talk) 00:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The source is
Maynard, 1995 and it's an analysis of typographies of feminism. Maynard is actually critical of this classification, but she describes the origin of the "Big Three" and provides references demonstrating that the classification is commonly used (e.g. Yates 1975, McFadden 1984, Deckard 1975).What other classifications and sources do you feel should be mentioned in the article? No doubt we could find some more recent references, though we have to be careful as we are trying to organise content from a historical perspective and more recent sources might focus on typographies of modern movements or of academia only. —
Bilorv (talk) 19:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your reply. If the "Big Three" is indeed that prominent in feminist discourse, I do think it would be better if the article added a few more sources (2-4 additional ones) in reference to this classification.
PanagiotisZois (
talk) 19:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I think it's quality rather than number that are important, but you are welcome to add more reliable citations if they're not redundant to Maynard (1995). —
Bilorv (talk) 15:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply