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What is this? The fact there wasn't agreement on whether to call it "migrant" or "refugee" doesn't necessarily justify a unilateral move to something entirely different and a word as loaded as wikt:exodus, nevermind the fact that adding "(2015-present)" is unnecessary per WP:NAMINGCRITERIA unless we have multiple of these events to describe. For some reason, I already cannot seem to be able to move the page back, but I wholeheartedly oppose the move, and would like it restored pending consensus.— Preceding unsigned comment added by LjL ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
@ SheriffIsInTown: you are kidding us, right? For your information, on Wikipedia, you can in fact be bold, but you should not be WP:RECKLESS, which is what you are when you single-handedly move a page that officially lacked consensus for a move. Another thing is that there is a Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle, so since Spirit Ethanol reverted you and I voiced my disagreement here, you should definitely not have reverted back with that flippant edit summary. Do you really think you're the "sheriff" here? I've seen a bit too many "slightly too bold" edits coming from you lately, if I may point that out. LjL ( talk) 23:01, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
I am echoing Spirit Ethanol's request to move back to previous name after WP:BOLD move renamed it despite previous lack of consensus on any move. The new name was assigned without consensus and the word wikt:Exodus has strong connotations and is far from neutral. Additionally, the "(2015–present)" label is unnecessary per WP:NAMINGCRITERIA as there is no confusion to be had with other similar events if a more concise title were used. Despite a move back having already been requested by Spirit Ethanol, I am requesting this as a controversial move because the above section shows that the editor making the original move, SheriffIsInTown, is being somewhat combative about defending it, even to the point of reverting a bit flippantly when pointed to the lack of consensus here. LjL ( talk) 23:47, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
Euroskeptic parties have been growing in popularity since 2008. Is there any citation to support the claim that their rise has been due (at least in part) to the migrant crisis? Preferably one that's not just from some journalist getting, and not behind a paywall. Thanks Simon8699 ( talk) 12:32, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
A point espoused by the "Leave" campaigners for Brexit was that if Turkey became a member of the EU, migrant flows from Syria would essentially be able to reach the UK (due to the perceived porous border with Turkey and assumed subsequent adoption of Turkey into the Schengen Area). Either a section or a point made about this would enhance readers' understanding of the connection between Brexit and the migrant crisis. Jdurkee ( talk) 22:41, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
So,is Turkey real have a chance that Turkish nationals could access to Schengen passport-free zone even Turkey does not reach the EU passport-free standard? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nero011 ( talk • contribs) 11:18, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
There should be an updated paragraph regarding the latest developments regarding Turkey's threats to kill the deal. For example, biometric passports were just distributed in Turkey, which takes a step towards completing the requirements for visa liberalization. This isn't reflected in the article, however. Jdurkee ( talk) 22:36, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Welcome to edit. -- Norden1990 ( talk) 17:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
I believe it deserves to be mentioned how the United States has been involved in the crisis, and how many refugees they took in (hint: it's none). Also absolutely needed is the cause, the Syrian civil war (and War in Iraq and War in Afghanistan). The leader of Raqqa is being slaughtered sliently stated that if [we] wanted the migrant crisis to stop, we should end the war in Syria. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) ( talk) 08:31, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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There are so
many images and graphs in this article, affecting the layout of the page. Which ones shall any of them be retained? Removed? Also, which image and/or graph should be in the lead? --
George Ho (
talk) 19:59, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
I already removed images of border fences that has no migrants in them. I also removed a monument that symbolizes a summit about migration rather than struggle of migrants. I could not remove pictures of migrants yet. Now that consensus from previous discussion agrees that there are still too many files in the article, we can discuss types of images. What about an image of protestors reacting to New Year's Eve rape in Germany? I don't think it adds anything to the article. -- George Ho ( talk) 18:21, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I think that the paragraph about Italian reactions is inaccurate and defamatory. Mafia Capitale scandal was caused by a restricted number of corrupted local politicians, businessmen and criminals, whereas thousands of migrants/refugees have been rescued and assisted by Italian Coast Guard. In Europe Italy and Greece are the most exposed countries to both the economic crisis and the migrant crisis. In addition Pope Francis is an authority of Vatican City. You should add more information. Cats' photos ( talk) 18:42, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm surprised that there is minimal mention of the numerous terrorist attacks along with chaos and disorder that has been caused by the migrant flow into Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.151.44.248 ( talk) 19:49, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
I've removed some sourcing that was recently added, "The Right Scoop" and another site, "The Political Insider". Both were written by someone called "SOOPERMEXICAN" and I'm not sure if this was a sneaky way of trying to insert this into the website. Either way, it doesn't look like it'd be considered a RS. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:10, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
I think we need a bit more on deaths and other mistreatment migrants suffer en route to the EU (and even within the EU). There are some good RS out there: [1], [2], [3], [4]. This should probably be linked to criticisms of the "pull" factor of the welcoming refugee policy in Western Europe, above all in Germany, as seen here: [5] and [6]. I'd take care of it, but I haven't the time right now. Gabrielthursday ( talk) 17:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
The topic of migrant health could be added to this article in order to provide more information on the standpoint of overall health affairs in correlation to the migrant crisis. Skanj ( talk) 20:49, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
The German pushed quota system which would see enforced settlement of Middle Eastern and African populations to European countries was rejected and is now no longer valid, mostly due to efforts of Visegrad Group(Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary). Last month EU itself admitted that the quota system won't be enacted.
-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 19:29, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
The image is accurate for January to June 2015. Considering how dynamic the refugee crisis is, it's likely outdated and should be replaced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.172.177.228 ( talk) 02:57, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
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Hello everyone, a sort of related article, List of migrant vehicle incidents in Europe, has only three entries from August 2015 and has not been updated since. I'm asking here whether anyone could have a look at it and help update it maybe? It's got other problems and I sort of think it may be a possible deletion candidate if it is not updated. Thanks for looking at it, and also thanks for anyone who helps improve it. Seagull123 Φ 23:20, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
This 17k+ word article has >500 footnotes. That's too big. I'd love to see some thought about splitting this into a reasonably-sized summary article that is fairly stable with drill-downs into articles about specific situations that are more volatile. Feedback encouraged! Lfstevens ( talk) 02:59, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
As an IP editor, I cannot f***ing believe this article is open to IP editors! The abuses are ongoing, and flagrant. 184.145.42.19 ( talk) 03:01, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
I am concerned about the wording of the title of this article. A migrant is someone who willingly moves to another country for a better life e.g. better economic prospects. A refugee is someone who has no choice but to flee their country because their life is at risk and they are being persecuted. A refugee is not a migrant and a migrant is not a refugee. The two words have got conflated in recent times, but in principle remain entirely different concepts. I have seen that the page "European refugee crisis" redirects to this one. Should there not be a separate page for "European refugee crisis", because this one is not suitable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kats987124 ( talk • contribs) 11:55, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
This is a wiki encyclopedia. Not a SJW politically correct soap box. 151.225.204.78 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:20, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
The crowds include both migrants and refugees from various countries. Their lack of documentation makes establishing their point of origin and their motivation difficult. Dimadick ( talk) 23:10, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
The whole article is full of right wing propaganda. i deleted/changed some things like "most are economic migrants" (which is bullshit)... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.217.63.215 ( talk) 18:50, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Going forward with editing, has a decision been made regarding using "migrant" vs "refugee"? gmousalimas ( talk) 22:34, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
The sentence and a small number of hostile agents including Islamic State militants
has been removed three times, the
first without explanation, the
second claimed it was a rumor, though the source does not say that, and the
third claims
WP:UNDUE, though the Reuters story received ample coverage (
Deutsch Welle,
Business Insider,
Telegraph, etc). If that isn't enough, the same claim that Reuters reported in February has been made again by German authorities later that year at different moments, being picked up by
The Wall Street Journal,
Politico, etc. I'm undoing the removal one more time, since I believe there is due weight for its inclusion. Perhaps more sources should be included?
Saturnalia0 (
talk) 17:43, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
According to research in the year 2016, 40% of Moroccans who came via Greece pretended to be syrian. Pretending a wrong citizenship was not an exception. [9] [10] In 2015 also many people from Morocco (10.258), Algera (13.883) applied for Asylum in Germany, not regarding those pretending wrong citizenship. [11] This article does not mention this, numbers mentioned in the article can be considered as outdated or questionable. - Haaklich ( talk) 21:16, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
According to a new UNHCR statistics report, less than 3% of the immigrants currently arriving in Europe are actual refugees.
This is extremely important and relevant new information, and should be cited somewhere within this article.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4442910/Less-3-migrants-reached-Italy-refugees.html
https://data2.unhcr.org/en/documents/download/53271
David A ( talk) 09:05, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
The article states that the refugees came illegally, but the UN source used in the lead only hints at the economic migrants coming in an illegal manner as they are bound to a nation's law for travelling to it. It states that refugees are entitled to international protection, but doesn't seem to make it clear whether the way they arrived is illegal. In such case I had to change the lead until there was clarification.
Reliable sources preferably from the UN need to be used about what should be defined illegal. It is established that economic migrants came in an illegal manner.But does the same apply to those from conflict-ridden countries? I think answer to these questions are needed:
Thank you. MonsterHunter32 ( talk) 22:46, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
I need help with evaluating which of the following information that should be inserted into the article, and would appreciate help with incorporating it in an academically appropriate manner:
10000 immigrants arrive in Italy every week, and mostly want to go to northern Europe:
The EU admits that extremely few of the immigrants to Europe have been actual refugees, and are rather there for economic reasons:
Germany admits that most of the immigrants almost completely lack education and work skills:
https://amp.ft.com/content/022de0a4-54f4-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f
Europol reports that the Islamic State is radicalising Muslim immigrants into jihadists:
David A ( talk) 15:24, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Can someone verify if William Ress Mogg predicted the European migrant crisis in 1993? Somewhere in one of his books he laid out the argument for African migration into Europe. It could be the book that is "The Great Reckoning" from 1993. Can someone verify this please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.96.9.102 ( talk) 15:56, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
A new study, assembling evidence from thousands of articles published in German media about the immigration crisis in 2015, has found that it largely systematically lied about the situation and published pure propaganda:
https://www.thelocal.de/20170721/german-media-failed-to-report-refugee-crisis-honestly-study-claims David A ( talk) 14:53, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Since there has been a lot of public discussion about immigrant crime, it is probably appropriate to discuss it in this article but it must be balanced. In particular we need to remember that original research "includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply [my emphasis] a conclusion not stated by the sources. I have a number of concrete concerns regarding the information on Germany, in particular the recently added graph:
The BKA report also has information about the immigrants broken down by age and sex. -- Boson ( talk) 12:29, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
References
Reflecting on this a bit more, I am inclined to think that the last three paragraphs of the Germany sub-section (and the image about the sexual assault protests in Cologne) do not belong in this article at all. This sub-section on Germany is part of the sub-section "Migrant routes, development and responses in individual countries". For the other countries, the information seems largely limited to the migration itself and government responses to it, not including the life of the immigrants afterwards. -- Boson ( talk) 15:30, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
The tuberculosis example seems to illustrate – to a greater or lesser extent –several potential problems. Here I was talking about the journalistic content that probably doesn't belong in English Wikipedia at all, such as the mention of four cases of tuberculosis in a single hostel. It's not a question of whether the incident is "notable" in the sense of being reported by national media but whether it is encyclopedic. The article currently states:
An increase in the number of tuberculosis cases due to increased immigration may be valid encyclopedic content (though I'm not sure it is best in this section of this article), but I think the mention of the four cases is journalistic, used to provide "human interest" (i.e. identification of Swedish readers with the Swedish victims) and therefore not encyclopedic. -- Boson ( talk) 18:13, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
As regards context and selection: My Swedish is not that good, but the new source seems to be about tuberculosis in general (in Sweden) and mentions as a matter of fact that cases have decreased in 2016 (compared with 2015) as might be expected because of the decrease in asylum-seekers and the fact that most cases of tuberculosis are found in people recently arrived from other countries. So yes, it does establish a connection between the migrant crisis and tuberculosis, but this is somewhat selective. The additional context provided by the report is that cases per 100,000 have dropped from over 300 in 1940 to less than 10 for the last few decades. As I understand it, the "migrant crisis" began in 2015; in 2014, there were 7.1 cases per 100,000; in 2015, this increased to 8.5 and in 2016 it decreased to 7.3. So we need to choose what context to provide and what statistics to select. At the moment, we have
-- Boson ( talk) 19:00, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
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I think that the last section of the article should avoid general speculation such as "soon headed towards the next stage of illegal immigration". Also the reference to the talks in Paris in 2017 should be explained further and discuss the policies proposed at the conference. Summerbales ( talk) 02:08, 9 November 2017 (UTC)Summerbales
This section could add more information about other Eurosceptic parties in countries such as Austria, Hungary and Germany. It could also elaborate on the increasing number of anti immigration platforms in Europe in response to the migrant crisis. Summerbales ( talk) 02:36, 9 November 2017 (UTC)Summerbales
The third and fourth paragraph in the introduction are missing citations/sources. Summerbales ( talk) 03:00, 9 November 2017 (UTC)Summerbales
Paragraphs 4 and 5 in the introduction do not have any references or citations indicating where the information was received. The paragraphs discuss three different operations and some of their details, yet fail to cite where the information regarding the operations came from. Kylepangan ( talk) 03:00, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
The section of the page labelled "Deaths and Incidences" contains no references or citations. The information provided seems very broad and there is no concrete facts or evidence of the causes of death that are discussed. Kylepangan ( talk) 03:07, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
The section of the page title "Spain," contains some text that directly quotes the article without any quotation marks. This section of the page should be revised and paraphrased instead of being copied and pasted. The text copied and pasted is in regards to citation 322, the citing of the article, "Europe: Migrants Crisis Reaches Spain." Kylepangan ( talk) 03:12, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
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I might get topic banned soon, so I would greatly appreciate if somebody could please evaluate, possibly reword, and if it is deemed appropriate add the following references to this page. Thank you.
Europol reports that the Islamic State is radicalising Muslim immigrants into jihadists:
A new study, assembling evidence from thousands of articles published in German media about the immigration crisis in 2015, has found that it largely systematically lied about the situation and published propaganda:
https://www.thelocal.de/20170721/german-media-failed-to-report-refugee-crisis-honestly-study-claims
The German government has created very extreme laws of censorship for social media such as Youtube, Facebook, and Twitter. Accounts that break the rules have to immediately be shut down, or the companies will have to pay 50 million Euros in fines:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-23/germany-full-censorship-now-official
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No action Not a legitimate COI edit request.
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I proposed merging European migrant crisis (Finland) here recently with the following reasoning: I see no need for a separate article on Finland with this issue since all the timeline-ish data gathered could be more feasibly converted into prose on the main article's Migrant routes, development and responses in individual countries subheading as has been done with other countries. Manelolo ( talk) 17:32, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
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The article does not present any "refugee perspective" but rather everything is shown through the lens of the EU and its surrounding politics. Some things that might be worth including are the scenarios faced by refugees while migrating to Europe. For example, detailing the path to asylum would be a worthy topic in this article. The article already takes into account several of the "most common routes" but the details are lacking. I do not think that each route needs to be explained in full detail but I do think that the general route to safety that these migrants face would be a good way to include a refugee perspective. In doing so, there rises an opportunity to address the obstacles that are otherwise glossed over in this article; such as crime, violence, persecution, and health among others. Ajs426 ( talk) 22:57, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Propose renaming vague title per info in text: European migrant crisis (2015–). E.M.Gregory ( talk) 18:09, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page to the proposed title, and no consensus to move to any other particular title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 01:11, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
European migrant crisis → Immigration to Europe in the 21st century – The use of the word "crisis" in an article title is already non-neutral, and I would suggest such a word should only be used historically of a situation with a defined beginning, middle and end (e.g. Suez Crisis, which nowadays in the UK is simply referred to as "Suez", although that's clearly not a suitable article title). It's clear that the contributors to this article don't even agree on when the current "crisis" began (see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_June_18#Category:Crimes_related_to_the_European_migrant_crisis and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_February_8#Category:Crimes_related_to_the_European_migrant_crisis). Although the creation of a separate article in addition to the existing Immigration to Europe article is justified because of the sheer volume of material, the connection with historical patterns of migration needs to be made clearer. The present title is inappropriate and ambiguous: some would say there is a crisis in intra-European migration but this is not covered by the article (which, frankly, is an invitation to edit in a non-NPOV manner). Even User:E.M.Gregory, who created the category Category:Crimes related to the European migrant crisis recognises that it is problematic. Other articles will be affected by this change and I volunteer to clean them up accordingly if this proposed move is accepted. Deb ( talk) 08:01, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
It appears this section once did have refs, but they vanished with Ajs246's edit on April 14 2018. Can someone verify and re-add them? 84.245.26.53 ( talk) 21:25, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I am missing this info. The article contains death/disappearance statistics for previous years, but not for 2016 and 2017. RhinoMind ( talk) 23:32, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Is this truly a migrant crisis? The channels of the migration have existed prior to this time period. These migrants were usually temporary migrants sought out from the European countries in question. People would temporarily migrate from Africa to work in Europe then return home following, this would be cyclic in nature. The idea of the European migrant crisis that began in 2015 does not really address the historical aspects and origins of the migration routes. (Particularly with France) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luhhhlissa ( talk • contribs) 23:46, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
Cited source 126 doesn't back up the statistics of section: Number of first time asylum applicants — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.255.168.52 ( talk) 10:16, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
"Mediterranean sea arrivals to Greece and Italy from January 2015 to September 2016, according to UNHCR data"
The referred NHCR data is only till the end of 2015. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C1:B749:9800:B1DC:396E:B3F2:94B2 ( talk) 20:20, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Article about relate topic to corrects: Draft:Initiatives to counter migrant smuggling on the Central Mediterranean Sea 2013-2018. Subtropical-man ( ✉ | en-2) 21:17, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
It has by now turned out that the "scandal" being referred to in the German section (regarding the asylum office in Braunschweig) was a big media show and didn't really happen in that way. The media is under heavy fire for that now. Some sources (in German): http://www.message-online.com/vom-politik-zum-presseskandal/ and https://taz.de/Vermeintliche-Fehler-in-Bremen/!5586346/ . Should we add this new info or rather completely remove that paragraph since it now basically provides no more value to the article? Nordostsüdwest ( talk) 15:14, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
I recently made some edits to include more information regarding the reactions of native citizens to immigration of Muslims into Europe. Going forward, I recommend including some updated events on the matter. Why aren't there already a lot of coverage on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebae306 ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 10 November 2019 (UTC)