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News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2022).

Administrator changes AustralianRupert • Cimon Avaro • Euryalus • Jehochman • Nunh-huh 28bytes Bureaucrat changes 28bytes

Interface administrator changes Evad37 • Galobtter Ragesoss

Guideline and policy news

• The Universal Code of Conduct enforcement guidelines have been published for consideration. Voting to ratify this guideline is planned to take place 7 March to 21 March. Comments can be made on the talk page.

Technical news

• The user group oversight will be renamed suppress in around 3 weeks. This will not affect the name shown to users and is simply a change in the technical name of the user group. The change is being made for technical reasons. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections.
• The Reply Tool feature, which is a part of Discussion Tools, will be opt-out for everyone logged in or logged out starting 7 February 2022. Editors wishing to comment on this can do so in the relevant Village Pump discussion.

Arbitration

• Community input is requested on several motions aimed at addressing discretionary sanctions that are no longer needed or overly broad.
• The Arbitration Committee has published a generalised comment regarding successful appeals of sanctions that it can review (such as checkuser blocks).
• A motion related to the Antisemitism in Poland case was passed following a declined case request.

Miscellaneous

• Voting in the 2022 Steward elections will begin on 07 February 2022, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2022, 13:59 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
• Voting in the 2022 Community Wishlist Survey is open until 11 February 2022.

Template:Ecology Portal New Intro has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym ( talk) 07:13, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

19:10, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Template:Stink bomb has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Dronebogus ( talk) 01:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• Nb. For good measure, I'll stink bomb myself here. A rather innocuous template, but consensus will tell, or not. Ha ha! North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:50, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Whack! Pee-ew, you've been stink bombed! Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly. Sent using {{ Stink bomb}}

Isabella I of Castile in the Rimado de la Conquista de Granada, by Pedro Marcuello Hello, Northamerica1000. The article for improvement of the week is: Isabella I of Castile Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Cult of personality • Joseph Lelyveld Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 21 February 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

22:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Food and drink/Status box has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Izno ( talk) 02:52, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Google's corporate headquarters is named Googleplex, and is also the headquarters of its parent company, Alphabet Inc. Hello, Northamerica1000. The article for improvement of the week is: Google Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Isabella I of Castile • Cult of personality Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 28 February 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

Good spot with the duplicate "Read more" link on Portal:Rivers. I've fixed the similar cases except for 1990s, Fish and Laos. They use |more=no, so I left the box-footer "Read more" in place as their only link to the transcluded article. Certes ( talk) 12:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@ Certes: Thanks very much for your assistance. I noticed some portals that you removed the link from. It's obvious that only one link is needed, and it also streamlines portal layout a bit more, making it easier on readers to find information that may interest them. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Template:Transclude lead excerpt

Hey @ Certes: Since I can't think of anyone else to ask who may be around in a relatively timely manner, I'll bother you with yet another question. Template:Transclude lead excerpt has the following parameter: "nobold=1 will cause bold text to be displayed in normal font", but unless I'm missing something, it doesn't seem to be working. I've tinkered with one of my article creations, List of sourdough breads, and it's turned out pretty nice using this template. I'd like to remove the bold from the listings if possible, without substituting and then copy editing, because then the benefits of immediate transclusion would be lost (e.g. updated content from articles being displayed). Am I missing something, or if not, is there a fix for this to remove the bolding and retain transclusions? Regards, North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:08, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

 Fixed in Module:Excerpt/portals. I documented |nobold= when Module:Excerpt was expanded for use in articles, but the new option wasn't implemented in the fork that was created for use in portals. This all seems to work, but you could consider using {{ Excerpt}} instead in articles. Certes ( talk) 11:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@ Certes: Thanks so much, 1) for the workup in the portal template and 2) letting me know about {{ Excerpt}}, which I did not know existed until receiving your message above! North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:15, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2022).

Administrator changes Modussiccandi BOZ • Brookie (deceased) • Jackmcbarn • Jamesday • Jonathunder • Master of Puppets • Saravask

CheckUser changes Callanecc Oversighter changes Callanecc

Guideline and policy news

• A RfC is open to change the wording of revision deletion criterion 1 to remove the sentence relating to non-infringing contributions.
• A RfC is open to discuss prohibiting draftification of articles over 90 days old.

Technical news

• The deployment of the reply tool as an opt-out feature, as announced in last month's newsletter, has been delayed to 7 March. Feedback and comments are being welcomed at Wikipedia talk:Talk pages project. ( T296645)
• Special:Nuke will now allow the selection of standard deletion reasons to be used when mass-deleting pages. This was a Community Wishlist Survey request from 2022. ( T25020)
• The ability to undelete the talk page when undeleting a page using Special:Undelete or the API will be added soon. This change was requested in the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey. ( T295389)

Arbitration

• Several unused discretionary sanctions and article probation remedies have been rescinded. This follows the community feedback from the 2021 Discretionary Sanctions review.

Miscellaneous

• The 2022 appointees for the Ombuds commission are Érico, Faendalimas, Galahad, Infinite0694, Mykola7, Olugold, Udehb and Zabe as regular members and Ameisenigel and JJMC89 as advisory members.
• Following the 2022 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: AntiCompositeNumber, BRPever, Hasley, TheresNoTime, and Vermont.
• The 2022 Community Wishlist Survey results have been published alongside the ranking of prioritized proposals.

21:15, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Invention/Status box has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:28, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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22:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

A letter is a segmental symbol of a phonemic writing system. Pictured are uppercase and lowercase Z with stroke letters. Hello, Northamerica1000. The article for improvement of the week is: Letter (alphabet) Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: First Sudanese Civil War • Google Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

Your changes to Portal:Classical music look lovely, thank you! It is certainly much more attractive and accessible now. I'm trying to think of another image that can be used for the contemporary music project—I assume the helicopter is there because of the Helikopter-Streichquartett, but I doubt any readers would know what it meant if they weren't familiar with the piece. I used an image of the Dream chord when I redid the Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music page, though I'm not sure that it is even ideal for that page. Any thoughts? Aza24 ( talk) 01:50, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

• @ Aza24: Thanks! I upgraded the portal to include many more selections, upgraded the layout, updated the DYK to display relatively recent entries, etc. and added some new miscellaneous stuff. Well, the Contemporary music task force is tagged as inactive, but it would still be suitable to have a link to it in case anyone may want to revive it some day. Regarding images for the Classical music portal linking to the project, similar musical notation as that of File:Dream chord on G.png is used as the icon for portal links to Portal:Classical music and Portal:Music (see right), so I don't think using the Dream chord file in the Classical musical portal to link to the inactive contemporary project would be ideal; it could confuse readers, at least theoretically, making the link images too generic on the page with too many similar images. Perhaps something entirely different that is not on the portal page would be more beneficial, such as simple flute images like File:Flûte1.JPG or File:Flute with musicial notes.jpg. I don't think the helicopter image is best either; it's entirely ambiguous.

Also, the Classical music portal would benefit from more FA- and GA-class articles added to Portal:Classical music/Selected article. WikiProject Classical music does not assess articles, leaving it to sub-projects, many of which are inactive, so it can take time to find such articles manually. Please feel free to exand it if this is of interest to you. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I do like the flute images, but I fear that not enough distinguishes them as "contemporary". I could see something like this excerpt, but it may be too big (or otherwise undesirable). I will certainly add some more articles to Portal:Classical music/Selected article—probably this weekend, as I have been rather busy as of late (hence this late response!). Best –  Aza24 ( talk) 07:06, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@ Aza24: File:Schoenberg - "George Lieder" Op. 15-1 end.png is presently tagged as "This image may not have the proper copyright or licensing information, or there is a conflict of license." Another choice would likely be better due to this matter. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:10, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Over at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates, I suggested that "this seems to be a good opportunity for a portal but Portal:Ukraine is not keeping up." You may wish to address this... Andrew🐉( talk) 10:25, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Andrew Davidson: I hesitate to perform work on the Ukraine portal at this time, for the simple fact that the country is in turmoil at this time and events are likely to continuously change. Plus, I performed a significant amount of work on the portal in December 2021. However, you should feel free to improve the portal if you'd like. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@ Andrew Davidson: See also: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals § Ukraine. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:44, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give Crai (supermarket) a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Crai. This is known as a " cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases for registered users, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge. Thank you. Dr Salvus 06:49, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

• @ Dr Salvus: Thanks for the reminder. The history merge for both the article and talk page has been performed. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
• Nb. See also: Requests for history merge (diff). North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Why did you choose to delete the article, rather than redirect it, when the nom noted it was NN/TOOSOON and there was a reasonable redirect target proposed? Jclemens ( talk) 07:48, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@ Jclemens: The nominator mentioned Pilu (TV series), but did not propose redirecting to the article in the nomination. Furthermore only one participant in the discussion opined for redirection. As such, the discussion was closed according to the consensus that ensued. While WP:ATD-R states that "a page can be blanked and redirected if there is a suitable page to redirect to...", the overall consensus was not for redirection, it was for deletion. Now, if I were to have closed the discussion as Redirect, many would likely considered that to be a WP:SUPERVOTE. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:56, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I disagree, and encourage you to reconsider. We have one keep/draftify, one redirect, and four deletes including the nom. None of the deletes mention redirection at all, and, as you note, ATD-R is a policy-compliant outcome of WP:ATD which states, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Further, WP:DGFA very clearly states "When in doubt, don't delete." (emphasis in original). Thus, while you have no one arguing the article should be kept in its current location, you also have one policy-based argument for redirection, the nom also identifying a redirect target, and no individual arguing that redirection is inappropriate in this case. In fact, a NN/TOOSOON is precisely the sort of article that should most commonly be redirected, as this person has the potential to develop additional RS coverage and become notable in the future. Thus, redirection allows the NN page history to be preserved for possible future use by regular editors, while deletion would either require a REFUND or a recreation, both of which are extra burdens either on the admin or editor involved. Of note, I don't care one way or another about this article, but do care that administrators are robustly considering policy based alternatives to deletion, hence me picking this at seemingly random to have a discussion about: I don't perceive that either one of us have strong feelings about this, so this is an ideal test case to consider. Cheers, Jclemens ( talk) 17:23, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

The status quo is, and has been for a very long time, to follow Wikipedia:Consensus, which is also a policy page, in discussion closures throughout English Wikipedia. There's no dictum at WP:ATD that trumps Wikipedia:Consensus, and there's no dictum at Wikipedia:Consensus that trumps WP:ATD. I understand your points about redirection over deletion, to retain data, but in my view, the close was performed at its most accurate, based upon the consensus at the discussion. It's unclear why you didn't participate in the discussion yourself and !vote to redirect; maybe you didn't see it until after it was closed. At any rate, you can consider taking your case to Wikipedia:Deletion review regarding this matter. Perhaps others will agree with you there. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:42, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

I completely agree that consensus is important, but if you look at what Wikipedia consensus means, it explicitly specifies "Decision making and reaching consensus involve an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines." Thus, if you or any admin doesn't consider appropriate ATDs while closing deletion discussions... you're not actually doing consensus per WP:CONSENSUS. Sure, I could go to DRV, but there are plenty of people there who don't "get" this either, so I'd rather work with individual admins, one at a time, to help you improve the match between what our policies say, and what you actually do. DRV gets bogged down in an endorse/overturn boolean, which leads to winners and losers. I'd rather collaborate. So have I convinced you to change this deletion into a redirection? If not, what would convince you? Jclemens ( talk) 01:15, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I still feel that my close was the most accurate, because per how the discussion transpired, it plainly was. This is the type of matter you should consider creating an RfC for: to add a caveat to WP:ATD stating that when a valid redirect target has been suggested, even by a distinct minority of users in a discussion, then ATD is golden and the consensus of the discussion should be ignored in favor of ATD. I am virtually certain that if I were to have hypothetically closed the discussion with a redirect result, and the discussion then went to Deletion review, it would almost certainly be overturned with a delete result. Since you feel strongly about the matter, RfC would be the way to go, in my opinion, because it would likewise require a consensus to alter the ATD page to reflect your preferences. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

15:59, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Tomba is a drink of Sikkimese cuisine made from fermented millet: warm water is added to the millet and the liquid is consumed. Hello, Northamerica1000. The article for improvement of the week is: Sikkimese cuisine Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Letter (alphabet) • First Sudanese Civil War Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 21 March 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

19:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Paddle ball is a one-person game played with a paddle and an attached ball. Hello, Northamerica1000. The article for improvement of the week is: Paddle ball Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Pumpkin pie • Sikkimese cuisine Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

Hi-- for some reason, your user subpage User:Northamerica1000/user page top is showing up in Category:Pages where archive parameter is not a subpage, I believe because the MiszaBot template is on that page, and it's not technically a "Talk" page. I thought I'd let you know, so that you can fix it. Thanks -- Funandtrvl ( talk) 04:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

 Fixed. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:10, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Pumpkin pie is a dessert pie with a spiced, pumpkin-based custard filling. Hello, Northamerica1000. The article for improvement of the week is: Pumpkin pie Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Sikkimese cuisine • Letter (alphabet) Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 28 March 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

21:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

On 14 March 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Keventers Milkshake, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in addition to creating milkshake products, Keventers Milkshake was also a major supplier of various milk products to the Indian Army for several decades up until the 1970s? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Keventers Milkshake. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page ( here's how, Keventers Milkshake), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Kusma ( talk) 12:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

		The Closer's Barnstar
		For your recent AfD closures. Thanks for remaining fair and unbiased! –– FormalDude talk 14:25, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2022).

Administrator changes Firefly • Sdrqaz Ad Orientem Geschichte • Ryan Postlethwaite • Sabine's Sunbird • Wassupwestcoast

Interface administrator changes Evad37

Guideline and policy news

• An RfC is open proposing a change to the minimum activity requirements for administrators.

Technical news

• Access to Special:RevisionDelete has been expanded to include users who have the deletelogentry and deletedhistory rights. This means that those in the Researcher user group and Checkusers who are not administrators can now access Special:RevisionDelete. The users able to view the special page after this change are the 3 users in the Researcher group, as there are currently no checkusers who are not already administrators. ( T301928)
• When viewing deleted revisions or diffs on Special:Undelete a back link to the undelete page for the associated page is now present. ( T284114)

Arbitration

• Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures § Opening of proceedings has been updated to reflect current practice following a motion.
• A arbitration case regarding Skepticism and coordinated editing has been closed.
• A arbitration case regarding WikiProject Tropical Cyclones has been opened.

Miscellaneous

• Voting for the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement guidelines has closed, and the results were that 56.98% of voters supported the guidelines. The results of this vote mean the Wikimedia Foundation Board will now review the guidelines.

In telecommunications, broadband is wide bandwidth data transmission which transports multiple signals at a wide range of frequencies and Internet traffic types, that enables messages to be sent simultaneously, used in fast internet connections. Pictured is a chart of global bandwidth concentration: 3 countries have almost 50% between them; 10 countries almost 75%. Hello, Northamerica1000. The article for improvement of the week is: Broadband Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Paddle ball • Pumpkin pie Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 11 April 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • Opt-out instructions

Guild of Copy Editors April 2022 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the April newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since December 2021. Election results: Jonesey95 retired as lead coordinator. Reidgreg was approved to fill this role after an 18-month absence from the coordinator team, and Baffle gab1978 was chosen as an assistant coordinator following a one-year break. Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Tenryuu continued on as long-standing assistant coordinators. January Drive: Of the 22 editors who signed up, 16 editors claimed 146 copy edits including 45 requests. ( details) February Blitz: This one-week effort focused on requests and a theme of Africa and African diaspora history. Of the 12 editors who signed up, 6 editors recorded 21 copy edits, including 4 requests. ( details) March Drive: Of the 28 editors who signed up, 18 claimed 116 copy edits including 25 requests. ( details) April Blitz: This one-week copy editing event has been scheduled for 17–23 April, sign up now! Progress report: As of 11 April, copy editors have removed approximately 500 articles from the backlog and completed 127 copy-editing requests during 2022. The backlog has been hovering at about 1,100 tagged articles for the past six months. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Reidgreg, Baffle gab1978, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Tenryuu To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

Sent via MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 16:43, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

I HUMBLY REQUEST ALL WIKIPEDIANS, TO RESEARCH ON KING SHIVAJI'S SOCIALISM. AND, IF SATISFIED WITH THE TOPIC, PLEASE CREATE ONE PAGE. Seaman rigved ( talk) 16:06, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

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