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I made significant changes to the article on Reggie Williams (the AIDS activist, not the football player) and would like to request a reassessment. It's currently rated as Start class. Blsternsun ( talk) 05:06, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Brenda Howard is referred to as the "Mother of Pride" in multiple articles, but the term was removed from the biography article by Duke9000 in August 2021 based on claims of citogenesis. That removal was objected to in June this year (by CyntWorkStuff, but a third editor ( Stnwllr) agreed with the first and re-removed it. Given the presence in multiple other articles I think it would be useful to have a wider discussion here that leads to consistency.
I'm aware of this only because the redirect Mother of Pride has been nominated for deletion (see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 17#Mother of Pride). I have not looked at the claims in detail or any of the evidence and have no opinion about whether the term should be mentioned or not. Thryduulf ( talk) 09:45, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Note: a proposal to merge the new
Transgender genocide article to
Violence against LGBT people has been opened
here. Please feel free to comment in that discussion. Whether moved or not, improvements to the transgender genocide content would be welcome. See discussion for sources that could be used. cc: @
Mhawk10
ProfGray (
talk) 16:31, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
For a long time, the feminine essence concept of transsexuality page has been a real bugbear to me. To quote myself from a past talk page:
[This page is] part of a myth perpetuated by Blanchard and Bailey that one must either believe their (actually quite marginal) theory or else in unscientific folk theories. This page is not about an actual thing that people believe (or at least, this page has no evidence for that at present); rather, it's about a strawman that Blanchard and Bailey have set up to defend their theory.
IMO the whole page is a WP:POVFORK of causes of transsexuality and ought to be deleted or merged into that article. At the very least it needs a lot of work to restore a WP:NPOV. Do other people here agree, and if so does anyone want to help with this? Loki ( talk) 16:57, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Should {{
WikiProject LGBT studies}} include an importance
field, even if it is not used for
biographies of living people?
Here are some prior discussions I've read about the idea: 1 2 3 4 5 6
To summarise my understanding of the main points against the idea discussed previously: It might not be useful for all editors, it would be a lot of work to do all the assessment, and it's a subjective process especially around biographies of living people which can sometimes lead to conflict.
The main reason I'm putting this idea forward (again) is because I think a couple of important considerations were not made previously. First, I agree there is some contentious aspect to ranking BLPs - and I imagine it's possible to make template code that omits the "importance: ???" section of the banner if it's on a BLP page by looking at if it's in a BLP category. Second, it is useful to some people, and it doesn't need to be used by all editors to be a net positive. Third, I think this wikiproject includes both BLPs and topical areas of a social science, and I am pretty sure all the other social science wikiprojects have an importance scale (eg. psychology, economics, sociology). Fourth, I think the core topics page is functionally identical, albeit much less visible, version of the importance scale.
One of the uses of the importance rating is to prioritise editing articles with higher encyclopedic merit. There are a handful of ways to filter priority in article searches which can be used to prioritise work, and one approach that I've liked is filtering by importance with CleanupWorklistBot. It's my opinion that having more metadata enables more efficient editing, irrespective of the workload assessment imposes (which I honestly think is rather low and entirely optional). Lastly, although the importance assessment process is subjective, I'll mention that in my experience the for vast majority of articles it is uncontroversial and because of this I consider it a net positive change.
Thank you for any input on this Darcyisverycute ( talk) 11:40, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
importance
parameter, but we should be wary of spending too much effort on classifying how poor quality our articles are when we could instead be spending effort on improving articles. CleanupWorklistBot is predicated on a lot of energy going into adding maintenance categories and WikiProjects and importance ratings, but this hits a
diminishing returns if the bot is not actually widely used to improve content. —
Bilorv (
talk) 12:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)Hope it is okay to ask here, was not sure where to post. I stumbled on what seemed a strange edit [1] in the LGBT in Islam page. In looking over the editor's log after, thought I made a mistake, as that person has edited a lot in LGBT pages for a long time. Some other [2] changes are strange to me too. Could someone else look, and if I have done the wrong thing put them back the way they were. I don't think those things are right, though. Also, LGBT rights in Bhutan LGBT rights in Hong Kong. If good, I apologize. 203.0.31.200 ( talk) 07:33, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm lost. I tried to read some policy, and I think I did the right thing in edits. My changes on a couple were undone though. I dunno now. Don't want to do the wrong thing, and what do I know, anyway? but some of the those things put in by 1 or 2 people look strange. Is anyone able to tell me if I did it wrong or if I can put it back again. This place is complicated. Left a message on the Maldives talk page, and will put one on the also reverted LGBT rights in Mongolia, but I'm not sure if that is the right place, even. 203.0.31.200 ( talk) 03:54, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
I have Sally Ride up for FAC at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sally Ride/archive1. She was the third woman to fly in space, and the first LGBT one. Reviewers welcome. It would be to seen some new reviewers. Or old ones. Or anybody at all actually. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
I have opened up a discussion over at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Images regarding LGBTQ+ image galleries (prompted by a particular edit of mine on the trans woman page). As this discussion is of importance to this Wikiproject, I thought I'd leave a notification here. QueenofBithynia ( talk) 21:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
[ This deletion discussion] concerning a new article contains argumentation that might be of interest to those interested in LGBT studies. Newimpartial ( talk) 13:25, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
There is currently an RfC on the "Implications for polygamy legalization" section at Talk:Respect for Marriage Act#RfC concerning polygamy.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 17:13, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion which you might want to participate in at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Epiphyllumlover additions of polygamist information, which especially concerns the Respect for Marriage Act and articles relating to it.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 20:02, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I was wondering if this WikiProject has a working list (or a to-do list)? I came across Bois Frederic Burk (1906–1993), while looking closer at his notable father (Frederic Lister Burk, the founding former President of SFSU). Bois Burk has an archive at the GLBT Historical Society [1] and I did not see any Wikipedia article yet. PigeonChickenFish ( talk) 18:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
References
...even if it's just to tell me I'm wrong.
There's a long, tedious wrangle over sources and inserting things like "vigilante executions, vigilante attacks, torture, beatings, forced anal exams" into infoboxes at, among many others, LGBT rights in United Arab Emirates. A new twist from the editor I have been at odds with is to put laws and cases relating to sex crimes and child abuse into these pages. I find this frightening.
Perhaps I have not always handled it in the best way, so I might be partly to blame for the conflict, but things just keep getting worse. The articles are being slowly but surely degraded in quality by this editor, who is persistent and highly focused on adding their favourite themes of "torture" etc, however tenuous their sources. I think in a previous life, it has been ongoing at UAE since 2019, and elsewhere even earlier.
I only want the articles to be accurate, or near-accurate. Wild tangents and synth and now sexual abuse brought into mix? I think I'm done, now that I have been accused of falsifying quotes, and I might have come dangerously close to edit-warring. I do not want to cross that line. I am tired. Is anyone here interested in taking a look? I hope so for the sake of these articles; but I'll bow out and close my eyes to whatever mess continues if more eyes aren't on the case. Thanks and good luck. AukusRuckus ( talk) 16:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Have just added three pages to the People watchlist that regularly have gay content removed by an editor who calls themselves 'William Oxford Orwigg'. The articles are John Hays Hammond Jr., A. Piatt Andrew , and Henry Davis Sleeper. MisterWizzy ( talk) 18:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Your input is appreciated here. Drmies ( talk) 22:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
I created Draft:Aditya Tiwari please see if you can contribute to this topic and help for its approval. Plushwiki21 ( talk) 22:08, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
The topic Draft:Aditya Tiwari is being held from inclusion due to homophobia. A user named "AngusWoof" keeps rejecting the draft, when changes were made by other Wikipedia users. Plushwiki21 ( talk) 22:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I've created a draft about Heidi Saadiya, the first transgender broadcast journalist from Kerala, India. kindly help me to expand? Imperfect Boy ( talk) 04:23, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Discussion on Eli Erlick (a trans BLP) could use more eyeballs. Funcrunch ( talk) 20:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
There is currently an RFC on whether Holly Woodlawn's deadname should be used in her article at Talk:Holly_Woodlawn#Request_for_comment. Rab V ( talk) 15:41, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to get some feedback on this. If it's problematic or otherwise not noteworthy, I won't pursue it.
There's a bizarre group of conspiracy theorists derisively called " Transvestigators" who illustrate and propagate a strange kind of transphobia and gender essentialism, to the point where some believe that nearly every famous person is an "EGI" or "Elite Gender Invert." The most notable instance of this conspiracy theory is the belief that Michelle Obama is a transgender woman. That one in particular is a sickening example of how transphobia and gender essentialism can interact with racism and sexism. The investigative journalism podcast QAnon Anonymous recently did a bonus episode exploring the landscape of these particular conspiracy theorists.
Is it in the purview of Wikipedia to cover, debunk, and explain the dimensions of phobia and bigotry involved in this family of conspiracy theories? -- Gebble ( talk) 19:37, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes, this is my biggest concern as well. As Daniel noticed, I'm a new contributor, so thank you for your guidance on what constitutes notability.We don't want to give them the attention that they so obviously crave.
QAnon ... is an American political conspiracy theory ... QAnon centers on false claims. In Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election, we start off with
After Joe Biden won the 2020 United States presidential election(presupposing that Trump and supporters were wrong). In Irreversible Damage, we say that "rapid-onset gender dysphoria" is
not recognized as a medical diagnosis by any major professional institution and is not backed by credible scientific evidence.It should be self-evident that no source giving any credence to the claims of "transvestigators" is reliable; thus, it's either notable and can have an article that makes the truth of the matter clear, or it's not notable and would be undue weight in any article where the subject is factual e.g. transgender. But if it's correlated with other conspiracies like QAnon then it possibly could be mentioned there. — Bilorv ( talk) 20:22, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
As much as I will be looking forward to it soon, the Manchester Pride article is looking decidedly promotional - and seems to have done for a while now. If anyone in this WikiProject can help improve this article, it would be much appreciated. QueenofBithynia ( talk) 21:14, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Talk:Sex and gender distinction Sharouser ( talk) 03:04, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
New bio for gay make-up artist, influencer, and entrepreneur Patrick Starrr. Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments would be appreciated at Talk:Trans woman § RfC on first sentence. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 14:31, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
This deletion of a gay porn star and writer has been relisted twice. I would have favoured deletion of this article until I read the deletion discussion, but would encourage members of this WikiProject to give it the once-over and contribute. QueenofBithynia ( talk) 15:12, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
There's an LGBT-related BLP question at the BLP noticeboard: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Tobin Heath/Christen Press. Would be good to get the involvement of some members of this WikiProject about it. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Talk:LGBT grooming conspiracy theory/Archive 1#Potentially moving the title of the page X-Editor ( talk) 19:06, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gold star (slang)#Requested move 10 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 16:08, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Should we use he or she? Doug Weller talk 17:40, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello all! I haven't been able to put much time into WP lately, but what I have has been put into spending a few months splitting out and "completing" (as much as possible) the
List of LGBT Olympians. I hope to now also add substantial info to, and clean-up, the
LGBT issues at the Olympic and Paralympic Games article that I split the list from, which I've started - prose lists aren't really articles, but I'm hoping we'll end up with a quality list and article out of what it was.
So I'm here to ask a favour. Or, well, two, having just seen a BLP noticeboard discussion mentioned above.
provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is correct. Given the larger numbers (up to hundreds) and overlapping datasets involved, though, I would like to request that if anyone has some time, if they could check my sums are correct!
through endless hope and demands and speculation, Tobin Heath and Christen Press got together, stayed together, came out individually in their own time, and then stepped out together — pinky-in-pinky! — on the ESPYS red carpet.Without going back to the old discussion mentioned above, which seems to have closed thinking that there was nothing but conjecture (idk), what I'm asking for in this second part is if someone has the time, they could comb the list for anyone that might not be as "out" as BLP would like. I did make sure there were sources for everyone listed, and didn't take tabloids as sources, so it should be fine, but it's obviously a subject to tread the line on.
Kingsif ( talk) 14:14, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed we had a symbol for 'trans-female lesbian', but not for any other combinations, so I created others. I don't know if anyone would want such symbols [e.g. for user boxes], but if anyone does, they're listed at LGBT symbols#Simple_icons. — kwami ( talk) 03:51, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
I have been reviewing WP:LGBT/Alerts to identify and clean up stale proposals. There are a couple of merge proposals that have been around for over six months without being resolved:
Both of these could use additional participation, so that they could be closed. Trystan ( talk) 13:08, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Currently pride flag is listed as a "Disambig-class" article, when I think it's clear that it isn't a disambiguation article, but an article in its own right. Would an editor mind reassessing the article? ~ BappleBusiness [talk] 23:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
New stub: Cherry Valentine: Gypsy Queen and Proud. Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:40, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Input would be appreciated at Talk:LGBT rights in Texas/Archive 2#Fresh start to break something of a stalemate. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 03:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Of potential interest to this WikiProject: An RfC on including an external link to the Kiwi Farms website. Funcrunch ( talk) 05:36, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Wikimedia LGBT+ plans to request funding from the Wikimedia Foundation to organize a conversation series on major recurring social issues which arise in LGBT+ Wikimedia projects. See the proposal at
Sign support if you like. Comments and questions are welcome on the talk page here or there. Bluerasberry (talk) 11:21, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Andy Ngo has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. –– FormalDude (talk) 03:20, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Colleagues, I’m not an experienced Wikipedia editor but am interested in getting an article posted about Tom Wilson Weinberg, a well-known activist and composer of LGBT-themed music. He is currently well-referenced by others on Wikipedia but doesn’t have a page of his own. I looked to see if it was possible to add his name to the list of LGBT figures where profiles are being sought. However, the listing for musicians suggests they should be entered on "Music", a different topic list. That list has mostly classical composers and no section related to popular music, musicals, or cabaret music and it doesn’t appear to be LGBT-specific. I believe Tom easily meets the notability standards and am looking for advice about how to facilitate the creation of a page.
Thank you, John Johnmrri ( talk) 20:32, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
A while ago I started a thread on the Genspect talk page titled Anti-Trans revisited but it faltered, so I'm opening it up the community as an RFC and asking for people to discuss whether we should describe them as anti-trans in the lead as it's been a repeated source of contention in the page. TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 02:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello, could we please get some eyes on Integrity USA, which I've been trying to get to a WP:NPOV since May. If you check the edit history, there was a recent unhelpful page move, and many other edits that have moved it from an excessively "for" POV to one excessively "against". I'd never heard of the group till I ran across the article while doing template cleanup. Hope my edits there show I'm just trying to get the article onto a more even keel. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Storchy ( talk) 05:57, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Dissent from Catholic teaching on homosexuality#Requested move 17 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 18:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Napoleon Jinnies @ AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Napoleon Jinnies
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 01:37, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
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Should 2022 Bratislava shooting be added to the project? Matroxko ( talk) 15:17, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for whether to describe ROGD as pseudoscientific in the lead. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 20:47, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
I would be grateful for views from editors on this request for comment: " Listing of wrestlers who self identify as non-binary". McPhail ( talk) 21:19, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
A while ago I edited the article for the given name Max, which wrongly claims Max to be a masculine name. Max is short for a variety of names, including Maxine, which is a feminine given name. Max is also a name used by many non-binary people. I found several sources for Max being short for Maxine, popularity of the name Maxine in the 20th cantury, and Max as a given name for female babies, but another user reverted my edits, and used derogatory language and ultimately threatened to sanction me for "edit warring". I feel I provided enough sources and resources to edit the article, but I am honestly exhausted and scared to continue. This was my first, and probably last time engaging with Wikipedia. I leave this here in the hopes someone else with more power than an anonymous IP address can settle this. Here is the talk page with sources: /info/en/?search=Talk:Max_(given_name). The edits happened in February, the last one with the comment "just because a few women may take the name, just to stand out, doesn't mean it's gender neutral; continue edit warring and you will be sanctioned". 89.247.174.158 ( talk) 17:44, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
This is a transphobic hate group.
For now comment requested with the first sentence
Also apparently Jimbo Wales expresses that the organization is not transphobic. See also the comments of Jimbo Wales.
Bluerasberry (talk) 12:34, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
A discussion on whether Health Liberation Now, a conversion therapy watchdog organization which tracks the attacks on trans healthcare and forces behind them, should be considered a reliable source. TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ ( talk) 16:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
WP:THQ § Legal name change and updating deadname. --
Marchjuly (
talk) 01:26, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
I have noticed a couple of recent arrivals of new accounts engaging in edits on gender identity-related pages from a WP:FRINGE POV associated with Genspect and the SEBGM. This happens from time to time, of course, but I expect we may be seeing more of it particularly if, as I suspect, off-wiki coordination is involved. Just posting here so others are also aware. Newimpartial ( talk) 00:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
The article Alice Di Micele has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
While there is a tenuous claim of significance (and so fails speedy), there is no claim of notability.
While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}}
notice, but please explain why in your
edit summary or on
the article's talk page.
Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}}
will stop the
proposed deletion process, but other
deletion processes exist. In particular, the
speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and
articles for deletion allows discussion to reach
consensus for deletion.
UtherSRG
(talk) 01:45, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
I created a draft for Maud Molyneux. She was quite active in the French nightlife scene in the 1970s and 1980s. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley ( talk) 02:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
At Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine the question has been raised whether there is a general professional standard for the treatment of gender dysphoria. (The Society disputes the validity and effectiveness of the affirmative care model.) More expertise on this question (and more eyes on the page) would be helpful. Newimpartial ( talk) 14:10, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#Neopronouns RfC [moved], which is within the scope of this WikiProject. This discussion is an RfC on allowing use of neopronouns in articles and may be of interest to project members. Thanks.
Sideswipe9th (
talk) 22:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone think Dylan Mulvaney should have a Wikipedia article? Dwanyewest ( talk) 05:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Project members are invited to review Cherry Valentine ahead of a possible Good article nomination. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:05, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
should LGBT community (Start) and Queer studies (C class), LGBT (B class) as an indirect advertisement of the LGBT+ WP community?
( i would be in favour of if you want to help on LGBT articles go here, but I think I am in the minority)(
Also do you think the classes on the above three articles look too low? Wakelamp d[@-@]b ( talk) 07:08, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
There is currently a rather raucous discussion taking place about whether to mention Trans pregnancy in the lead section of the article. Newimpartial ( talk) 18:21, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
I started a discussion proposing changing the title of " Breast binding" to "Chest binding." I am curious to see what people think about changing it. Iscargra ( talk) 12:58, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I'm not a member of this project, and despite being an ally outside of Wikipedia I don't usually edit LGBT related articles, it's primarily sports. But I do have a question that potentially falls under both. Even if you aren't a football fan, I'm sure most people have heard of Aaron Hernandez, the former NFL player who was convicted of murder and killed himself in prison. A recent edit to the page got me thinking, is there a specific policy or consensus of when LGBT related categories are added to a page? I'm asking this because Hernandez himself never publicly came out as gay while he was still alive but a multitude of people that knew him have said he was. I don't think WP:NFL is a good place for this discussion because this specific thing isn't related to his football career. I guess what I'm asking is should he have LGBT related categories on his page despite never coming out himself?--Rockchalk 7 17 16:58, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
I've created a new project sub-page at WP:LGBT/Scope (linked to from WP:LGBT/Editing), discussing when and how to tag articles as in scope for WP:LGBT. Input from other editors is welcome.-- Trystan ( talk) 15:02, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone. Recently, while browsing Wikipedia, I have found redirects titled " Trans f*g" (censured here to now disturb readers). Such redirects shouldn't be present on Wikipedia, as they are slurs, and part of the hate speech, and created by transphobic and homophobic people. This brought to my attention, that we should make sure, that this isn't a bigger precedence, and check if there are any other such hateful redirects on Wikipedia, and if we find them, delete them. Thank you for your attention, sincerely, Artemis Andromeda ( talk) 21:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello all, I've started a page for the Death of Pratima Goankar, an Indian interesex athlete who died by suicide in 2001. I was wondering if project members could give it a read - I don't think I've written a page who someone identified as intersex previously. Also, if anyone can find her date of death, I'd be very grateful - it might be paywalled in here? Many thanks (will cross-post to Women in Red too) Lajmmoore ( talk) 07:42, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Breast binding#Requested move 2 November 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 12:12, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
I tried to start this discussion a few months ago on the Josephine Baker page but no one has responded. Maybe as a result I should just make a bold edit? But while she is undoubtedly a queer icon (sources at the GLBT Historical Society in San Francisco, for example, discuss drag queens modeling themselves after her in the 1960s, and more recently she's been paid homage on RuPaul's Drag Race), there is no extant evidence that she herself identified or engaged in any same-sex activity. She actively disavowed homosexuals during her lifetime, going so far as to disown one of her children when he came out. This of course isn't necessarily proof, as there's been plenty of examples of internalized homophobia in history. But I couple this with tracing claims as to her sexuality. I've followed all the sources that are listed in her article alluding to same-sex relationships and found that they all lead to a single, likely dubious source. They do not present any unique evidence, they just claim the one source as valid, which sort of hides the fact that all of this stems from one throwaway sentence in a biography written by someone who had a complicated relationship with her, who also stood to benefit by cloaking her in exotic mystique. One wrinkle here is that I do not read French, and since Baker spent most of her life in France there may exist more concrete evidence in French-language sources.
With all this in mind, I would like to untag her as an LGBT actress/individual until such time that more concrete sources are brought forward. To me, it feels irresponsible to make that claim on her behalf without having solid proof, and from what I see there is none.
Sevey13 (
talk) 05:47, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
An editor has made three rapid filings at WP:RSN on the coverage of transgender issues by The Times, The Telegraph and The Economist. Additional input is requested. Newimpartial ( talk) Newimpartial ( talk) 19:44, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I've revised this page for Draft:Aditya Tiwari which is a stub about a queer poet from India. Editors, please see if you can help get this approved? The topic was declined from inclusion some time ago because they did not meet the notability guidelines. but, note that there is now a different set of sources in the draft, so I think it would be OK to give it another review. Plushwiki21 ( talk) 12:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
See the WP:EW at Cheshire home invasion murders and also Talk:Cheshire home invasion murders: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Cheshire_home_invasion_murders&oldid=1122392863
It is my understanding that articles, especially but not only those of biographies on living persons, should respect an individual's gender identity. Editors do not get to invalidate an individual's gender identity because of unrelated issues, like their felon status. Respecting an individual's clearly and unambiguously communicated gender identity does not require "consensus". I believe TheXuitts is not a bad faith editor, but merely uneducated on both the topic of gender identity and Wikipedia rules covering these topics, and want to make it clear that I am not looking for disciplinary action against them.
As someone that has mainly been fixing smaller typos and adding a fact here and there during her downtime at work, I am not well versed enough in the details of how to resolve conflicts like these. Not having created an account in all my years here does not help either :) I really would appreciate a third opinion on this, even though the rules as written (and basic human decency) seem to make this decision easy enough. 2A02:8108:2C3F:AC2C:B9FD:F9D:DB4E:720D ( talk) 11:43, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
The ongoing discussion on the talk page seems to be productive (although editors, including yourself, are being a bit combative in places). Our rules can’t cover all edge cases, and this is an edge case, so the discussion there may well be very helpful when it feeds back into our rules and guidance. But this can only happen if everybody involved assumes the good faith of everybody else there. There’s no deadline, so it is really worth letting it play out for now. — Trey Maturin has spoken 14:05, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
may come as a surpriseto readers, or that
it does not match what is most common in sources. MOS:GENDERID very explicitly addresses both of these "edge cases" (in fact fairly common), and provides crystal-clear guidance on how to describe individuals who were notable pre-transition. It is the community's stance (and the result of RfCs spanning three decades) that a cis reader's momentary discomfort or confusion does not supersede our duties toward BLP subjects. To diverge from this requires an RfC-level consensus, or a damn good justification.
The alternative is to hand straight people (no offence, allies) an instant victory: look at this trans criminal who committed a trans crime whilst being trans and other such JKRish nonsense.Culture warriors are going to culture war regardless of what we write on Wikipedia. Hayes is already being used in this way on social media, Graham Linehan wrote a blog about them in May 2022, and Hayes' name appears a couple of times on Ovarit and Mumsnet, despite our misuse of pronouns (and possibly name). Hayes is just one among many convicted trans people used in this way. I think it's important to keep in mind that those folks are not operating in good faith, and will happily misuse any information that could lead towards their end goals.
Any input would be appreciated at: Talk:Sex reassignment surgery#Requested move 23 November 2022. WanderingWanda🐮👑 ( talk) 08:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Surprised to see no article on this given the World Cup controversy. Article there [3] ♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:21, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
Fred Sargeant did a controversial protest at Vermont pride, and was physically assaulted. No matter how one feels about Sargeant's POV, as Wikipedians we have to put our personal feelings aside and write neutrally. For one of the founders of Pride to be assaulted at Pride is notable. This deals with an issue in the community that is notable, difficult, and deserving of coverage. Others, mostly IPs and newer or low-use accounts, do not feel it should be covered, and are blanking the content. There's discussion on talk. Would appreciate more eyes on this, especially those experienced with how weird the press has been about these conflicts in recent years. We have one gay press source covering this, and one local one, but the others tend to lean conservative. However, the sourcing is sufficient, and even the conservative-leaning ones are are still usable as long as the text is neutral. (This problem with which outlets will even cover incidents is one we've had to deal with in recent years with sourcing on some of these controversies. Pretending it's not an ongoing issue is not helpful but some are either unaware or using it to push POV). Thanks. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:49, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Colorado Springs nightclub shooting#Requested move 20 November 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 19:41, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Hey everyone! I am JuanGLP, and here is an idea I have. Should we create aa WikiProject Drag? Or make it as a task force? We have plenty of drag shows that needed work (this will not include WikiProject Drag Race). It is just an idea that I would love to come into life. — JuanGLP ( talk) 14:56, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi, all --
I recently created List of asexual, grey sexual, and demisexual people using a few sources I found listing asexual people, then double-checked sources to confirm sexuality. We have similar pages for lists of LBG and transgender people, so I thought it was noteworthy to create a separate page for the aces.
I would love y'alls' help in expanding this article. Significa liberdade ( talk) 19:56, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
The edits are few and far between and usually but not always by IP addresses (such that pending changes protection didn't actually stop any because that happened to be the time an established account did the removal), so before I tried going to RFPP again, I wanted to try to ask for other solutions here. On Signing Time!, one of the cast members has been out as nonbinary for awhile and the article reflects how they identify currently, as is the guideline. Because they're not independently notable (though they're notable within the context of the linked article as they're basically the reason the series exists), there's no flashing sign (like a footnote or something) saying why that is. (There was initially, but I asked here about whether I'd done things right and pretty shortly after asking someone came and removed the footnote for the notability reason.)
Every few weeks, someone comes and changes most or all of the name mentions back to their former name. I suspect this is a case of the editor in question not knowing about the change rather than malicious changes since some parts of the official website for the product use their previous name and you probably wouldn't know about the change if you hadn't happened to have read about it from other sources like the person themself, other things they've worked on, etc. (though I don't know how much of this hypothesis is me doing AGF and how much is riding on the fact most don't change the other now-neutral gendered words, pronouns, etc.).
I tried pending changes protection once and it technically didn't do anything because no non-autoconfirmed users edited the article in that timeframe (only an autoconfirmed account did). Before I try for another round of protection, is there any other method I can use to try to reduce/eliminate these sorts of edits? Thanks. - Purplewowies ( talk) 17:00, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello all
I recently created Draft:Darwin Del Fabro, a wp:bio about a queer Brazilian actor and was hoping that one of you would be kind enough to take a look and let me know how it could be improved. Or, if it looks ok, to move it to the mainspace. It seems to be languishing in the AFC backlog. Thank you in advance for your help and consideration. Volcom95 ( talk) 20:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
There is a Featured Article Save Award nomination at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review/Natalie Clifford Barney/archive1. Please join the discussion to recognize and celebrate editors who helped assure this article would retain its featured status. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SandyGeorgia ( talk • contribs) 22:27, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
I'm really trying to avoid editing articles. Could someone take a look at this edit to ego-dystonic sexual orientation and verify that it is, as I believe, someone falsely claiming that a study from the Catholic Medical Association is an NIH study, and undo it if so? -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 00:24, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Trans bashing#Requested move 9 December 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:15, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
I recently created a draft for trans activist Henry Berg-Brousseau. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley ( talk) 16:30, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Konrad Juengling has been nominated for deletion. Discussion participation welcome. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:14, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
There is an RfC at Talk:Alexei_Yagudin#December_2020_RfC_-_inclusion_of_2020_controversy_in_lead that may be of interest to editors in this project. JimKaatFan ( talk) 02:05, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Talk:Transgender sexuality § An eye toward a rewrite. --
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 04:08, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
Your feedback would be welcome at this discussion at WikiProject Law, regarding the use of the terms legal or decriminalized in articles related to LGBT rights topics. Mathglot ( talk) 23:09, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
There is an RfC at Talk:Abigail Kinoiki Kekaulike Kawānanakoa#RFC that may be of interest to editors in this project.-- Trystan ( talk) 18:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
It looks like Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride/2022 is done, as its now Jan. 1 in 2023, although its still 2022 here, so I'd say we can mark Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride for 2022 done with a green check. I'm not as skilled and am afraid I might mess something up if I create Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride/2023 page. It would be better to do this sooner, rather than later, I'd say, to get the near year off to a good start. Historyday01 ( talk) 02:17, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Sasha Colby has been nominated for deletion. Article improvements and/or discussion participation welcome. ---
Another Believer (
Talk) 14:44, 4 January 2023 (UTC) Never mind! ---
Another Believer (
Talk) 17:17, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Naysha Lopez has been nominated for deletion, if any project members want to take a look. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:33, 16 January 2023 (UTC)