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One article about
Catherine Emihovich (the 12th dean of the university of Florida) has seen a lot of action lately. The editors name is @
Shane emihovich and It says they have a close connection with her so additional editors would be nice to help out and make sure its biased.
I notice that this page has a list of universities and colleges in Gaza and there are indiviudal articles for most of them. My assumption is this list is out of date and the individual articles are also out of date given that Israel has destroyed or damaged all universities in Gaza. I don't know enough about the topic to do a good job but these are the sources I found:
With the sources you've found, I think you're as prepared as anyone to update that list and its entries. The inclusion of the coat of arms of Palestine and "State of" in the title makes me wary that there may be some non-neutral bias toward trying to establish Palestine as a state. Every educational institution in Gaza probably needs a sentence or paragraph in its history section discussing what happened to it during the war. Sdkbtalk 21:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Not a category expert, but I'd say that we should always be categorizing someone by the specific school they went to, so a diffusion tag seems appropriate. Sdkbtalk 15:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
They should have relevant subcategories but be aware that not every bio will have sources that stop to make clear exactly which component they were in. You also have the issue of people who were at the institution before it became a system (e.g. Wisconsin) plus outside the US the importance of universities vis a vis component colleges can vary widely, sometimes even within the same institution.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 19:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Someone at UW-Madison before UW became a system should still be categorized under UW-Madison, I'd say — it's undergone a bureaucratic/name change, but the school itself is still the defining element. Sdkbtalk 20:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Looking at
List of people associated with the University of London of
List of University of Calcutta people, for example, there are a number of people for which the specific school is unknown, which would carry over into any categorisation. Even with the US, it might not be possible to tell (to continue the example above) if someone graduated from UW-Madison if the source only gives UW and no graduation date.
As
WP:DIFFUSE is a general rule, people whose specific school is known should probably already be diffused rather than placed in the upper category. It might be better, therefore, to use {{Category diffuse}} rather than {{Container category}}.
Robminchin (
talk) 20:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
An additional confusion is that some institutions are organised so that someone can be an alum of a specific school but not of the parent federal institution. Many people attended
University College London (or other London colleges) in the 19th century without ever matriculating in the
University of London (
Mahatma Ghandi being probably the most famous example), so it's not clear that diffusion is even possible in such cases. Sometimes institutions have left a federal arrangement to become independent (e.g., the
University of Roehampton,
Imperial College,
Newcastle University, or the
University of Dundee) or have moved from one federal arrangement to another (e.g.,
Regent's Park College, Oxford, part of the University of London 1901–1927). All of these would probably have to be considered non-diffusing as they aren't simply sub-categories.
Robminchin (
talk) 20:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
"All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations (i.e., this page),
the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also
WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES.)"
This discrepancy has led to several university articles to be deleted as can be exemplified
List of universities in Ecuador at some point most if not all the Universities had an article. I believe this divergance in criteria is leading to
Systemic bias at least with regards to higher education in Ecuador. I've proposed to translate the existing articles for universities in Ecuador found in wikipedia.es, but wouldn't want to go through that process if they are going to be deleted for notability.
HarveyPrototype (
talk) 20:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
A couple of sentences further on, the article advice says: "This notability advice is an application of the
general notability guideline to the articles this project covers, not a replacement of said guideline. Hence the advice is not intended to lend additional support to
deletion discussions." The opening sentence is simply an observation, not a notability criteron, so there is no divergence. The general notability guideline does say that: "Sources may encompass
published works in all forms and media, and
in any language." If there is significant coverage of universities in Ecuador in Spanish-language sources (which still need to be reliable and independent), this can be used to establish notability.
However, I just looked through the red links at
List of universities in Ecuador, and only three of them were previously deleted – most have never existed. The ones that were deleted were due to them being promotional, not (specifically) because of a lack of notability, so the notability guidelines don't appear to be the issue here. The most recent deletion is also lacking an article on the Spanish language Wikipedia, which appears to have been repeatedly deleted (and is now creation protected) due to being promotional (see
[1]). It looks like there's no systemic bias, just the normal rules against promotional content being applied.
Robminchin (
talk) 21:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I am an Alumnus of
Universidad Del Pacífico - Ecuador the article mentioned as the most recent deletion. I wrote the article in 2009 a 6 years after graduating, I'll admit that the article at the time was copy of the blurb used on the universities web page, which at the time was marked as NPOV and corrected. I then used the existing articles at the time (which is the reason that in my mind the list had more blue links) to format and correct the article. The deleted article is consistent with Past Practices, and from checking the current entries kept the same format. I still recieve the Alumni Newsletter so if there was something relevant that I could source, I did.
I wasn't part of that deletion discussion, but from what was written it sounds like the nomination was due to the tone of the article appearing promotional rather than that the institution failed the notability criteria. A possible question over notability was implied by pointing out that that references did not provide significant coverage, but that was "in addition" to the main issue of the article appearing promotional. Further discussion did talk about notability, and no sources were provided to demonstrate that the institution was notable.
You should take care with the reliability and independence of the sources as well as their depth of coverage – the alumni newsletter wouldn't be considered an independent source, for example, but it might point you to news stories that would be independent sources. That the article was originally based on the blurb from the university's web page would also have been an issue, because of copyright, but it looks like that wasn't mentioned!
One of the frequently referenced principles on Wikipedia is
WP:Other Stuff Exists. This says, in a nutshell, that you shouldn't worry (too much) about what other stuff is out there that maybe also should be deleted – each page stands on its own merits. I'd also note that a page that is considered to be promotional is far more likely to fall under
WP:Blow it up and start over than an unreferenced stub – making it much more likely that a promotional article will be nominated for deletion, with its notability then being questioned, than an inoffensive stub. It also makes it less likely that people will spend much time and effort defending it (and that there is more than one Universidad del Pacifico in Latin America can also complicate finding sources).
Having said that, a quick Google News search for '"Universidad Del Pacifico" Ecuador' throws up results from reliable independent sources such as
El Universo[2] and
Times Higher Education[3] that are specifically about the institution rather than passing references and so should count as significant coverage. Unfortunately, it seems these (and other sources thrown up by that search) were not brought to the attention of the deletion discussion.
If a university is up for deletion, it's always acceptable to post a neutral message on the talk page here to say that it's taking place (see various notices above for examples) and link to the discussion.
Robminchin (
talk) 15:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Once again thank you for your feedback. As you mentioned the Alumni Newsletter was never used as a source, but relevant information from the newsletter was researched and sourced respectively. I understand that the sources weren't brough up during the deletion discussion, this is because I took it as a given that the sources were cited within the article.
Would you recomend that I contact the admin that deleted the discussion and request that it be relisted onto this project in order to get more insight onto the deletion discussion?
HarveyPrototype (
talk) 03:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Culinary Institute of America request
Hi editors, I'm Robin, here on behalf of
The Culinary Institute of America as part of my work with Beutler Ink. I posted an edit request up on the school's article Talk page to update some of the statistical information in the article, would anyone here be interested in reviewing it? Cheers,
BINK Robin (
talk) 22:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It looks like @
Ɱ was the one that brought that article to GA status. they might be interested in looking at the edit request if they're willing to come out of their retirement (and we hope they will). Sdkbtalk 06:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)reply
WP:VPT may be a better venue to get technical help. For what it's worth, the Spanish version looks pretty miserable on my current computer - the images are all stacked at the top of the article and then the table is below it.
ElKevbo (
talk) 21:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Can someone else please take a look at the recent edit history of
North Idaho College and the related discussion in
Talk:North Idaho College? Two editors disagree about the inclusion of some material and would benefit from input from other editors. Thanks!
ElKevbo (
talk) 21:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)reply